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Yolanda, have you posted your family file yet? I did not see it but I don't know your surname. Do you have any dates or approximate dates and names for your oldest ancestors?
Linda in Everett

yotomas wrote:

I'm chuckling,
cuz i should have said in the previous email, i should have said ancestors or acendants to a wonderful
family line

Anyway, here is more:

Maria Dominguez de Loyola, my maternal grandmother, born and raised in Cd Guzman, her mother,
Felipa Maria Garcia- Lopez de Dominguez, had 4 sisters according to the IGI
they are:

MARIA TEODORA GARCIA LOPEZ

MA. MARTA DE JESUS GARCIA LOPEZ

MA. VICTORIA DE LA TRINIDAD GARCIA LOPEZ

MA. DARIA GARCIA LOPEZ

I don't have any additional information other than they "might" be my great-grandma's sisters in
Cd. Guzman

any information would be wonderful!
thank you Yolanda

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Hi, is this your family?
Results for: Jalisco, Mexico
Father: Guadalupe Garcia, Mother: Juana Lopez
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Prepare selected records for download [input] [input] International Genealogical Index / Mexico - 8 Select records to download - (50 maximum) [input] 1. MARIA TEODORA GARCIA LOPEZ - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 21 OCT 1866 Zapotlan El Grande, Ciudad Guzman, Jalisco, Mexico
[input] 2. MA. MARTA DE JESUS GARCIA LOPEZ - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 06 AUG 1871 Zapotlan El Grande, Ciudad Guzman, Jalisco, Mexico
[input] 3. MA. VICTORIA DE LA TRINIDAD GARCIA LOPEZ - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 26 DEC 1852 Zapotlan El Grande, Ciudad Guzman, Jalisco, Mexico
[input] 4. MA. DARIA GARCIA LOPEZ - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 26 OCT 1857 Zapotlan El Grande, Ciudad Guzman, Jalisco, Mexico
[input] 5. PABLO DE JESUS GARCIA LOPEZ - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 08 JUN 1850 Zapotlan El Grande, Ciudad Guzman, Jalisco, Mexico
[input] 6. JOSE ZEFRRINO DE JESUS GARCIA LOPEZ - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 31 AUG 1874 Zapotlan El Grande, Ciudad Guzman, Jalisco, Mexico
[input] 7. JOSE TORIBIO DE JESUS GARCIA LOPEZ - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 20 APR 1848 Zapotlan El Grande, Ciudad Guzman, Jalisco, Mexico
[input] 8. JOSE SECUNDINO GARCIA LOPEZ - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 06 JUL 1855 Zapotlan El Grande, Ciudad Guzman, Jalisco, Mexico
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yotomas wrote:

good morning,

Here's the data:

Maria Dominguez de Loyola (my maternal grandmother- born & raised in Cd. Guzman)
sblings:

Paula Domiguez-Garcia de Nazoirin (sp?)
Francesca/ Francisca (Tia Pachita) Dominguez-Garcia
Emeteria Domiguez-Garcia

thier parents:
Felipa Maria Garcia- Lopez de Dominguez
Jose Dominguez (spanaird ?)
according to the IGI, they were married in Cd. Guzman May 1878

her parents:
Jose Guadalupe Garcia
Juana Lopez-Sanchez
(this information is uncofirmed, found in the family search)

Juana's parents:
Jose Nicolas Lopez
Juana Maria Sanchez

any assistance or advise will be appreciated

Yolanda

Corrine:

Congratulations and thank you for sharing that information with the group.

Your message brought up something interesting that I found when looking at civil records. Up until recently I had stuck to church records since they are pretty complete and very good for the most part in the region on which I am focused (Colotlan, Tlaltenango and Totatiche).

However, the church records for Villa Guerrero, a new parrish founded around 1920 are not filmed (and I am told were destroyed in the Cristero War). So I went to look at the civil records (which survived since they were copied and sent off to Guadalajara--as is customary for civil records).

I found in those records that many of my ancestors are described as indigenas, even when the church records describe their ancestors as mestizos or espanoles. I had thought that after independence they had done away completely with the caste system and as such there would be no more race information in the records, which is the case with church records for the most part...

However, my find and your information confirms that they continued to keep this information in the civil records. I wonder if they generically refered to everyone as mestizo mexicano as a way of affirmatively erasing the previous caste designations? I wonder why they would designate my ancestors as indigenas if that were the case, unless perhaps as part of the Revolution ideology that was considered a good thing.

Maureen,

It's been my understanding that this means the person was indigenous
and did farmwork - as in "labor" which means farmwork and "laborio"
being the adjective form. I realize that you noted the script uses
a 'v' rather than a 'b', but these letters have been quite
interchangeable in most records.

To my knowledge, it did not have anything to do with the name of a
tribe.

Hope this is helpful.

Connie Dominguez

----- Original Message -----
From: Maureen Bejar
Date: Wednesday, May 2, 2007 3:33 pm
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Ignacio Alviso race description in marriage
document
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org

>
> Hoping someone might be able to help with the script in this
> document. I feel as if it is like Ojo de Agua
> revisited! The below link is the document that I am pretty sure
> is the marriage document for the great grandparents of Julian
> Alviso. It is the top document, the marriage of Jose Ignacio
> Albiso and Juana Maria Gonzalez. Ignacio's race is described as
> Indio, but there is another word after Indio. I suspect it is
> either Savorio or Lavorio, but I am not sure. I am sorry but, I
> do not have the complete film, so I cannot provide other records
> for comparison. Could it possibly be the Indian tribe? Does
> anyone recognize the script or have a clue what this would mean?
> Thanks for any help!
>
>
>
>
> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15952

David,
According to documents I've seen, this is true. He is said to have
been Lord of the palaces of Esparza and Zariquiegui in Navarra.
Somehow, I can't remember without my notes, his father/grandfather was
also supposed to be allied with or close to the Beaumonts of Navarra.

I have info on this family only as far as his grandparents, I believe,
in the late 1490s. It's what's been available from Jaime Holcombe's
submissions to LDS.

I visited the Archbishop's research office in Pamplona in 2003, but
the time allotted is so minimal that you really have to visit for a
few days straight to really find anything. I did find one of the
parishes his family visited, but I did not find anything concrete on
him or close family.

Hope this helps...or at least piques your interest a bit more. :-)

Connie Dominguez
----- Original Message -----
From: mormonboy74
Date: Wednesday, May 2, 2007 9:10 am
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Lord of Esparza (Senor de Esparza)
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org

>
> Does anyone know Lope Ruiz de Esparza's genealogy I need help. I
> found a source it said his father or grandfather (too many named
> Lope) Was Lord of Esparza in the city of Esparza they had lived in
> the Palace of the Esparza. Is this true? Any help is appreciated. -
> Daniel Mendez Camino

Thank you Maria. This is incredible. I have traced about nine generations
of this family back to Sevilla, to Nicolas and some of his first cousins.
I plan on buying this book. I just read "The Encomenderos of New Spain
1521-1555" and it had a few good nuggets for me. Please contact me if you think
you can expand your Flores de la Torre branch.
Charles Flores
user176613@aol.com

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I've found that word describing the cast of a person who would be the child
of a spaniard and a mulato (three quarters white and one quarter black),
same as Morisco. Castizo would be for a person three quarters a spaniard and
one quarter indian.
Hector Felix Aizcorbe

>From: "Deena Ortiz"
>Reply-To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>To:
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Meaning ofTresalva
>Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:59:17 -0700
>
>I apologize if this question has appeared before. Recently, while reading
>christening records, I have come across the word "tresalvo" right after the
>name of the child being baptised. Can someone define it for me? Thanks
>
>~Deena Ortiz~
>
>

Hi Deena,

The word "Tresalvo" was used in old church records to define the caste of a
person that was three quarters white and one quarter indian, like the child
of a Spaniard with a Mestizo. It comes from the words "tres"="three" and
"albo"="white"). Hope this helps.

Bill Figueroa

You can access the 61 volumes of the Mexican Inquisition that the Bancroft
Library purchased at
_http://bancroft.berkeley.edu/collections/latinamericana/inquisition.htm…
(http://bancroft.berkeley.edu/collections/latinamericana/inquisition.html)
They give a description of the acquisition, as well.
It just so happens that it contains a 360 page volume on my surname in the
town that my family is from(Juchipila). My g-g gfather was a rich and
prominent man there circa 1850. The family in this doc were descendants of the
forst encomendero of Juchipila. I traced about nine generations to about the mid
17th century. Their paternal line actually goes back to 1300 A.D. to Ferrer
de Fuentes. My main goal is to bridge a 150 year gap ( if it does connect).
Anyhow, I hope that many of us can get useful info here.
Charles Flores

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Thanks Emily for that link.........it answered my question. What atrocities occurred in the name of God and the church.

Alicia

Natalie---

I think many of us, especially those pushing 70 like myself, have trouble at the computer and viewer. One thing that helped me was that the director at our FHC ordered a 60X viewer that enlarges everything. Some people don't like using it because you have to move the lever constantly to reposition the lens (you can only view a section of the microfilmed page at that enlargement) and if you have arthritis (as I do) then that becomes a problem.

Thanks for the link to the Roots program.

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ----
----- Original Message -----
From: nc_coleman
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 2:26 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] George R. Ryskamp interview on Roots Television

I hadn't checked the Roots Television site in a while, so I'm not sure how long this has been on. In this program, host Sharon DeBartolo Carmack interviews George R. Ryskamp, author of "Finding Your Hispanic Roots" (4-part interview; interview preceded by a commercial). Check the interview here:

http://www.rootstelevision.com/players/player_rootsbooks.php?bctid=2818…

I have only had a chance to listen/watch part 1, so I am not in a position to give an overall review. However, Dr. Ryskamp is one of the best in the field of Hispanic Genelaogy.
If you have a chance, share your personal review of this program.

I hope all is going well with your research - mine is going slowly ... my eyes get very heavy when reading some of those Mexican records for extended periods (anyone else suffer from this malady??).
Have a good weekend.

Natalie in VA : )

mary did you ever get any information on your ancestors in peralvillo?

Daniel--

I once tried to get into the IGI index for "Moctezuma" for those who claimed ancestry from Moctezuma, and a message appeared that said more or less that listings for royalty, nobility, etc. were specially processed and had limited access. The message also said that direct descendants could contact: Temple Department, Special Services, 50 E. North Temple Street., Salt Lake City, UT 84150-6400. I think the batch number started with a "T". Since I do not claim ancestry from Moctezuma, I didn't bother to follow up on that. However, one of the members of Ranchos recently told me that she did follow up on that message when it showed up for one of her ancestors who is linked to another noble line (not Moctezuma).

She also created a log-on-user-account at the LDS.ORG site and got into the Product Support section, which allowed her to type in a special message for help. She typed in the "T" batch number for her ancestor. The response message explained that certain batch numbers are for royal, noble, peerage, or medieval family group records and stated that certain information on royal lines that they have are available on microfilm. However, if the source call number is "FDP" or "SIS", the original source records are available only to direct line relatives through Special Services. You first have to find your ancestor who is a descendant of nobility that has been flagged with that special message on the IGI and send them a printout of the IGI entry and advise them of your relationship to the deceased descendant of the royal or noble line. I imagine several people who run into these messages on the IGI are quite surprised to find they are linked to certain royal lines.

The message goes on to say that the sources used to compile royal pedigrees or pedigrees from before 1500 is available in the Author or Title Search of the Family History Library Catalog to obtain the call numbers (for books, etc.), which you can give to your local library or university library who may have access to these sources through inter-library loan. The message also says that the microfilm copy of the source list for all surnames is available on Films 1239010 to 1239015 that you can order through your local family history center. The clue here is "direct descendants". The people at the main Family History Center must have investigated which recent descendants of nobility, etc. they have listed in the IGI that tied in to the royal lines on which they have information and have flagged these entries in the IGI, in order to help only those who they have found actually descend from these special lines. They otherwise would be overwhelmed with requests for help in tryi
ng to pr
ove royal ancestry from the most noted lines.

I believe that most proven direct lines of descendants of Moctezuma live in Spain, since the descendants of Mexican royalty married Spanish nobility and became very Spanish within a few generations and were taken to Europe long ago, but many Mexicans continue to claim otherwise. Remember that many people would change their names to honor respected members of their communities and don't really have blood links to the surnames they adopted.

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---
----- Original Message -----
From: mormonboy74
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 7:25 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Descendants of Moctezuma

Does anyone know where I can find a website or book about the current living descendants of Moctezuma? Thanks. I love this group so much, we all have helped each other. Any Info. is appreciated. -Daniel Mendez Camino

Daniel:

The only way that I have used the Guia General (with some success) is simply doing a text search of the document description. You can do so by:

- Going to the link I previosuly posted: http://www.agn.gob.mx/guiageneral/

- Click on "Guia General" from the top menu in the red bar, then on "Contenido de la Guia" (Content of the Guide)

- The lower part of the window will split into two frames. On the bottom of the left hand frame there is a button that reads "Buscar." Click on this button.

- Search fields will appear in the upper part of the left hand frame. Select the default "Alcance y Contenido" (Scope and Content). You can also search by title or date, but unless you know exactly what you are looking for I don't see how these are useful.

- Scroll down a bit to find the field labeled "Palabras a buscar" (Words to search) and type in your search criteria. For example, I simply typed "Colotlan" to get any document that mentioned Colotlan in the description and found a couple of very valuable documents. You can also try a name if it is rare enough. For example, I tried "Talamantes" and got a number of interesting documents.

- Scroll down a bit further to the "Buscar" button and click it.

- You should get a list of documents organized by the collection and folio that they are in appearing in the lower part of the left hand frame. Click on the title next to lowest level folder (usually black) and the document description should appear in the right hand frame.

You can go document by document or by looking at the titles of the higher level folders you can get an idea of what each document is going to be about and limit your search that way.

I will keep playing around with it and see if there are better ways to use it.