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Asi es Smiley, la verdad es que no puedes manejar a más de 60 MPH por que es muy peligroso, la carretera es muy estrecha, hay muchas curvas a veces muy cerradas y vas al borde del precipicio, asi que las personas que vayan a manejar para esa zona y lo vayan a hacer sobre todo de noche tengan mucho cuidado.

Saludos
Fernando Pérez

----- Original Message ----
From: Alicia Carrillo
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 3:36:47 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cuquio Jalisco

Thanks Smiley,

Now that you sent this I think we have driven this route once before, many many years ago and it was very narrow and very precarious due to the steep cliffs and dropoffs and very, very scary. That was long before I got into genealogy and paid attention to names of towns and their locations relative to our hometown of Nochistlan, Zac.

Alicia,
San Jose, Calif

----- Original Message ----
From: smileysway2 smileysway2@yahoo.com

...just thought I would place this link here so one can see the map, to make the reference. Fernando has already done the check and has noted the distance. I just wanted to add that this is a very long & winding way between main "pueblos." I have driven this route & it is a very dangerous road. Cuquio: http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?formtype=address&country=MX&addtoh…

Gracias Maria por tu ayuda.

Pero tengo una duda, ¿La Iglesia de LDS no habrá tomado en cuenta está iglesia del Sagrado Corazón de Jesús?.

De todas maneras estoy planeando ir a Cuquío para el día 1 ó 2 de enero y visitar esa Iglesia, así como ver si puedo investigar algo en el registro civil, ahora bien estuve checando en la pagina del Family Search y salieron como 102 personas de Cuquío con apellidos Rostro, que creo pues todos deben estar relacionados conmigo, pero lo que me llamó la atención es que los registros no pasan de 1910 o alg así.

Si hay algo que pueda ayudar ahora que voy a estar por allá, por favor hacermelo saber.

Atte.
Fernando Pérez

----- Original Message ----
From: mcortez
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 8:39:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cuquio, Jalisco

Hola Fernando,

Es posible que falta informacion de la otra iglesia porque no existia antes
de 1921? Yo he estado estudiando los bautismos de Cuquio en microfilm y lo
que yo he visto que los que muchos de los que nacian en Cuquio los
bautisaban en la Iglesia San Felipe de Cuquio, Jalisco. Por lo menos eso
puedo asegurar desde el año 1830 para atras. La Iglesia de Ixtlahuacan del
Rio se fundo a partir de 1800 y muchos de mis antepasados empesaron a
bautisar a sus hijos en Ixtlahuacan, ya que los Ranchos en donde vivian
estaban en medio de Cuquio e Ixtlahuacan.

Saludos,

Maria E. Cortez

Leticia:
>
> Ayer estuve en el Family History Center, y ya orden? unos films, pero me
> d? cuenta que que solamente tienen informaci?n de una de las iglesias del
> pueblo y falta informaci?n de la otra, por lo que la persona que est? ah?
> asesorando me aconsej? que buscara en la Di?cesis a la que pertenecia en
> este tiempo las iglesias de Cuqu?o, as? que ahora estoy investigando a ver
> como estaba la organizada la estructura de la iglesia en Jalisco entre los
> a?os de 1845 al 1920, porque a partir de 1921 paso a pertenecer a la
> Arquidi?cesis de Guadalajara.
>
> Saludos
> Fernando P?rez
>

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...just wanted to let you know that your files look good. Hopefully this next year, we will all be able to make some real headway into our Mexican research...

Smiley :-))

Hello Maria ,

I think you're right , this coming monday I'm going to visit the Villa de Santiago in the state of Nuevo Leon the genealogist there is a new friend and he is going to let me copy his books , there are three vol.

I'll let you know which books they are .

Welester

> Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 12:33:01 -0800> From: mcortez3@gmail.com> To: announce@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] announce Digest, Vol 11, Issue 4> > >> > Hello Welester,> > > The book I have is titled "Fundadores de Nueva Galicia". Perhaps your> friend was referring to another book by Garmendia Leal. I believe he has> authored others. I checked my book and I see some Alvarados on page 30, but> they are from Guadalajara. I purchased my book through Borderlands> bookstore and I believe they still have some of Mr. Garmendia Leal's> books available.> > Maria> > > > > >> > > -----Original Message-----> > > From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> > > [mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Lester> > > Alvarado> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 11:07 PM> > > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> > > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Garmendia Leal> > >> > > Hi Maria ,> > >> > > That's the second time in two days that I heard the
name Ga
rmendia Leal> > , I> > > was at a book release yesterday in Monterrey , Mexico where the Board of> > > Education had a ceremony of thier new book titled " Municipios de Nuevo> > Leon> > > sus Simbolos , Cultura y Conocimeinto . One of the genealogist there> > > mentioned to me that in the Garmendia Leal book he saw several> > Alvarado's> > > dating back to the 1600's in Villa de Santiago in the state of Nuevo> > Leon .> > > If you have the time could you check this out for me please .> > > Where did you get the copy ?> > >> > > Thanks ,> > > Welester> > >> >> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Announce Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> announce(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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Celestino,

Me allegro que estas aqui en el grupo.

Es cierto hay mucho información, en los archivos del grupo, que muestran el
esfuerzo y la dedicacion de los miembros del grupo, para buscar a sus
ancestros. Algunos han encontrado que son parientes con otros miembros del
grupo. Y otros todavía no han tiendo ese placer (Yo soy uno de ellos).

Pero, lo mas importante es que por nuestro esfuerzo ahorita, vamos a tener
fruto en el futuro.

Y si usted o otros miembros tienen preguntas, sobre sus investigaciones,
adelante para preguntarlos. Esto es por que existe es grupo. Para
ayudarnos encontrar a nuestros muertos.

Jonathan

-----Original Message-----
From: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Celestino
Villalobos
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 3:51 PM
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] A todos los Rancheros

Soy Celestino A Villalobos, un miembro nuevo de "Nuestros Ranchos" Tal vez
la desicion de Joseph Puente, de cortar la membresia de todos aquellos que
no han presentado alugunas lineas de sus genealogias en "Nuestros Ranchos",
es muy drastica, tal vez sea la persona menos indicada para hablar sobre el
tema, lo que si se es que todo tiene una razon de ser. Como nuevo miembro he
revisado casi toda la lista de miembros con sus archivos genealogicos y en
verdad me han impresionado, como algunos de sus miembros han echo un
gigantescos esfuerzos al trazar sus lineas de sus antepasados, y uno de
ellos naturalmente es el mismo Joseph Puentes, y otros que sobresalen en sus
investigaciones tambien, lo que representa largas horas de dedicacion
durante dias, semans,meses y años un esfuerzo constante y conciente. Movidos
por sentimientos y fuerzas mas haya de nuestra comprension. La mayoria de la
informacion en los archivos de "Nuestros Ranchos" en lo personal a mi no me
ayuda en nada,
aparte que mis contribuciones tampoco son de gran ayuda para el grupo.
Tengo mas o menos unos dos años trabajando en las linea de los Villalobos, y
ya he identificado a 12 de mis antepasados atras en el tiempo, quisiera
poder encontras mas informacion, pero yo se que tal vez no la encuentre en
ninguna parte, si yo mismo no empiezo esa busqueda, puedo darme cuenta que
tal parece que soy el unico en la busqueda, y no voy a esperar a que alguien
mas haga este trabajo, porque tal vez sere el unico con los recursos y las
habilidades para hacerle, y quedarme sentado me haria sentir muy culpable.
Puedo notar que una gran mayoria de miembros de nuestros ranchos, todabia no
saben lo que se toma, para habanzar en sus lineas, ya sea por el mismo
trabajo que absorve la mayoria de nuestro tiempo, o porque no somos muy
dedicados en este trabajo de historia familiar, hacer un esfuerzo pobre
nunca nos va a llevar al exito, o tal vez tengas que enfrentarte con la
esposa, y te diga o tus
muertos o yo! y que todabia tengas el valor de decirles, bueno pues me
quedo con mis muertos, esta es la clase de determinacion que debemos tener
ante este trabajo tan gratificante. Por otro lado, tambien puedo notar que
algunos cinco miembros o mas, estan reteniendo informacion, que seria de
mucha ayuda especialmete para mi, puedo notar que han hecho avances dentro
de sus lineas, y las estan cuidando celosamente, y no es que este pensando
en mi, sino en mis antepasados, es cierto que hay que dar para recivir, pero
si doy y no recivo, no parece que tenga mucho sentido, es posible que dentro
de nuestros ranchos existe uno que otro miembro asi,y tal vez con algo de
razon, pero nunca sabran del amor de un corazon agradecido, cuando reciben
de los benefiicios de la informacion de aquella persona. Es muy posible que
algunos de los miembros del gurpo, se sietan desanimados porque sientan que
no progresan en sus investigaciones, es por eso que no comparten sus
genealogias, pero
dejeme decirles una cosa, que dentro de no muchos años con la tecologia que
tenemos tan avanzada, nuestros esfuerzos dentro del grupo sera recompenzada,
el grupo sera mas fuerte, sus miembros estaran mas especializados en
historia familiar especialmente en el area de Jalisco, Aguscalientes,y
Zacatecas. Dentro de no mucho tiempo gozaremos de ricas fuentes de
informacion como las hay en los Estados de Nuevo Leon, Coahuila, Tamaulipas
y Texas, de donde los antepasados por el lado de mi abuela madre de mi
padre, vivieron de donde he hecho una investigacion que me llena de mucha
gratitud especialmente a todos aquellos que se especializan en genealogia, y
han contribuido grandemente en este trabajo, como el Sr. Rodolfo Gonzalez de
la Garza por nombrar a uno. Esta en nosotros, que los que vienen atras de
nosotros sigan nuestros pasos, en una manera segura, y con un espiritu de
trabajo y dedicacion como una gran familia, porque nos daremos cuenta que en
realidad somos una gran
familia, hasta la vista primos. Demostremos a Joseph Puentes, que nuestro
interes por formar parte de nuestros ranchos, no es para tomar ventaja del
grupo, ''sino todo lo contrario''.

What you say is true. SMGF does the DNA test at no charge. The
catch is that they don't send you any results. It may take a year
(give or take a year or two) to see the results on their website.
For serious researchers who may want results more quickly, who are
looking for definite connections, or who have questions about family
lines, using one of the DNA testing facilities such as FamilyTreeDNA
is a better option.

You can test at SMGF if you have tested at another facility. That is
a good way to compare both facilities results for your research.

My SMGF results were sent in a year ago and still have not been
posted. Some people have had partial results posted.

SMGF is using the free tests for it's own research. You will have to
sign a waiver stating you agree they can use your results and that
there is the possibility that they may never be posted for you to
find. If they don't need your "type" of DNA for their research, they
won't use it.

If you are serious about using DNA in your genealogical research
you'll have to pay for the tests. You won't be satisfied with only
the SMGF test results, if you get any.

Linda Romero

On Dec 17, 2006, at 5:37 AM, general-
request@lists.nuestrosranchos.org wrote:

> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 14:27:48 +0000
> From: Lester Alvarado
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Alternative to Discounts for DNA tests
> To:
> Message-ID:
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>
> Howdy everyone !
>
> There is an alternative to doing your DNA test , go to www.smgf.ort
> and request a free kit the company will send it to you . They need
> four generations on you paternal side and within 6 months you can
> view the result in the internet . There are other test , these
> thier is a cost but with discounts . If you're interested in DNA
> testing it's worth taking a look and deciding for yourself .
>
> Welester

Just a quick comment regarding spelling of the word "compareciente". The
verb "comparecer" means to appear before a judge or a person of authority.
So "el compareciente" was the person who gave the information at the
Registro Civil. Notice that the word is preceded by the pronoun "el".

----- Original Message -----
From: "agustin mota"
To:
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 12:38 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] misunderstanding

>
> Greatings . In my search wile reading my grandfathers birth certificate i
> came acros the word -ELCOMPARECIENDE,this was in front of my great
> grandmothers name i assumed this was a name so after weeks of looking came
> up with nothing. Elcompareciendo is the person who is giving the
> information or presenting the child to the registro civil. maybe you all
> knew this but if not now you do. This information came from my cousin in
> Guadalajara.

Great,

when you come to a record that you think is your family make sure to
mark down at least this information for its location:

1) Film Number

2) The Volume Number on the film (sometimes the films are broken into
different volumes on each film)

3) the page number within each Volume

4) Sometime each entry has its own number

5) Date of the Baptism/Marriage/Death

as an example of how I do it when I copy a record off of the film I put
this information:

JulioDeCecilioPuenteDomingaVarela0443682v02p34-145(15Apr1852)

this is just the way I do it and others might have ideas but it is
always better to give too much information than not enough information.
Think about it like this. One hundred years from now how difficult will
it be for someone looking at my photocopied records to find the sources
from my notations. You need to make it very very clear where they can
find your source records.

have fun looking for la familia,

joseph

===================

Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

Lester Alvarado wrote:
> Howdy Joseph,
>
> I have been working with several members of the Mormon church and one of them is in charge of a Family Search Center , yesterday he lent me a copy of births in the town or pueblo of Juchipila , Zacatecas the years are 1871 to 1884 . The film and batch #'s are 1156151 (f) and 64671-2 (b)
>
> I'm gonna start to read them this coming week so , if there is anyone with family there I'll be more than happy to check out the names for you .
>
> Welester
>
>
>
>
>
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Gary Felix, the administrator of the Family Tree DNA Mexico Project, wrote to me the email below regarding DNA testing in our group. The Family Tree DNA Mexico Project is the major DNA project involving people that have roots in Mexico. See http://members.tripod.com/~GaryFelix/index63.htm. This group should be considered a complement to the individual surname projects. I encourage all Hispanics to participate since participation in a group does not preclude participation in another.

These DNA studies are a part of the ongoing studies to determine where all of our ancestors have traveled from. It has been a fascination journey, https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/atlas.html

GARY'S POST:

Ed,

please post that I can be contacted for discounts to the Mexico DNA Project, along with my email.

Thank you,

Gary

garyf@pacbell.net

Hi Welester!

Thanks for the info! Believe me, I have checked everything I can think of
on this elusive couple and I now believe I will have to just look at all the
film for that time period in Zacatecas. I just need to make the time to do
this! :-) Last year I was in Salt Lake City at the FHC and had them help
me.....no results~! I even found the name "LIENDO" spelled as "SIENDO" and
found that some of the records I already had researched were listed as
"SIENDO" because the transcribers misread the "L" for an "S" and made the
name "SIENDO"......which is not a name. I will probably find them where I
least expect .......I just wish they would quit hiding from me! :-)

Josie in San Antonio

-----Original Message-----
From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Lester
Alvarado
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 5:13 PM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] "Padrsn de poblacisn de
Aguascalientes",compiled in 1792 by Felix Calleja

Hi there Josie ,

I did a quick serch in www.familysearch.org and found 58 Liendos in Coahuila
..... 22 in Tamaulipas ..... 10 in Jalisco , also note that I found 0 in
Zacatecas and 0 in Aguascaliente .

This does'nt mean that there aren't any in those states , like I said it was
a quick search . If you want enter into the site clik on the International
Genealogical Index , then clik on region ( Mexico ) clik on the state (
whichever you prefer ) .
Now , go to where it says First Name and put an asterisk * and where it says
Last Name , put Liendo . Hope this helps alittle .

Welester

Linda,

I received the registration instructions from Ed Elizondo who is charge of the Cuba Genweb. Some years ago, there was a posting on the net through Genweb (I thought it was Cuba) that had the instructions. Ed has posted the new instructions at his site and here it is:

Registering
The Spanish Ministry of Culture requires the user to register before using the AER. Yo do this by clicking on the link titled "ALTA DE USUARIO". You will then be presented with a screen which we cannot reproduce here due to copyright restrictions.

Note that fields marked with an * must be filled in.

Starting at the upper left and reading line by line left to right, the meaning of the various fields are the following:

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Rose Gonzales-Hardy

My ancestor's testamento states he was "originario de Zacatecas" and that is
why I am assuming he was from the city of Zacatecas. It is very possible he
was from the area around Zacatecas (city) and that is why I am having such a
difficult time locating info on him. His name was Juan Antonio Liendo and
he married Catalina de la Rosa probably in the late 1600s. Their son (also
named Juan Antonio Liendo) left his will dated 1771 in Saltillo where he
states he was from Zacatecas. I have researched Liendos from the early
1700s to the present and (from what I have researched and documented) they
all descend from this couple. There are a few Liendos that were in Autlan de
Navarro, Jalisco, a few in Durango and a few from Distrito Federal (Mexico
City) but the majority will be found in Saltillo and Tamaulipas. There are
also a lot of Liendos in Peru, Bolivia, Argentina, Venezuela, Chile and
Spain. It is possible that my ancestor "got off the boat in Mexico" or
traveled from one of these other countries to get to Zacatecas and then went
to Saltillo and on to Tamaulipas and into Texas.

I have a friend in Aguascalientes who told me she has seen the surname in
Morelia and Michoacan so I will see what I can find there. Since the name
is a rare one I keep any and all info I find on ANY document pertaining to a
Liendo.

Any assistance is appreciated!

Josie in San Antonio

-----Original Message-----
From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of
eaherold@att.net
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 11:23 AM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] "Padrsn de poblacisn de Aguascalientes",
compiled in 1792 by Felix Calleja

Where in Zacatecas did you find you Liendos? What given names?
--
Esther A. Herold

I worked at translating the story of "Hacienda de la Yegua Rusa" and this is what I came up with:

"A boy was abandoned on the steps of the "Hacienda de la Yegua Rusa" with very fine gowns in a small basket, and the boy had on a medal and very fine gowns and a note pinned, on which it said: this boy has already been baptized and his name is Martin, I ask that you never remove the medal for the rest of his life.

The owners of the Hacienda were people already great in age and never had family (and possibly they thought that was the right place for the boy to grow up and if they wanted to be able to find him when he was grown).

The boy grew and the families and the environment around him knew that the boy was not a descendant of the owners of the "Hacienda de la Yegua Rusa," so they began to say to the boy or to identify him when they spoke of him: "There goes Martin," and when they were asked which Martin, they simply identified him as "Martin, del campo" (of the Yegua Rusa), since the Hacienda was situated in an area that was big and surrounded by the beautiful countryside.

This boy supposed that he was some accident of the royal family since he was white, fair-haired and blue-eyed and the gown was of very fine material and French lace, but accidents in families of high standing weren't considered good in those times, so the children were disowned and kept secret or given away but always had a pin to be able to give some day with the sons.

This is the story of Martin del campo."

Corrine Ardoin

Thank you so much for the story! How do you find GeneaNet? Is that it? I've never heard of that.

Corrine Ardoin

Have you checked for Alvizu or other spelling variants Albizu. This surname is of Vasque origin.