I have just upload a list of Haciendas and Ranchos from the 1839 Church Census of Asientos, Aguascalientes. There are some names that were hard to make out so I put question marks after the name.
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15101
Rose Gonzales-Hardy
Fresno,CA
Isn't somebody researching this area?:
Title
Padrones, 1807-1922
Authors
Iglesia Católica () (Main Author)
Notes
Microfilm de manuscritos en el archivo diocesano de Zacatecas.
Pánuco es una vicaría de Veta Grande, Zacatecas.
Membership lists of the parish of Pánuco, Zacatecas.
Subjects
México, Zacatecas, Pánuco - Census
Format
Manuscript (On Film)
Language
Spanish
Publication
Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmado por la Sociedad Genealógica de Utah, 1987
Physical
1 rollo de microfilm ; 35 mm.
Film Notes
Note - Location [Film]
Padrones 1807-1840, 1864, 1878, 1889, 1922 (no hay orden) - FHL INTL Film [ 1464049 ]
© 2002 Intellectual Reserve, Inc. All rights reserved.
Everybody and anybody who is headed to Salt Lake next week, can you
please email me privately and let me know where you will be staying
and how we can get in touch? It would be nice to organize a Nuestros
Ranchos dinner or lunch or something of the sort.
I look forward to seeing you all there.
Hello Arturo, I've researched the 1930 census for Villa Garcia and Vetagrande, Zacatecas. That was not church related, right? Or is this the same data. If it isn't, how do I acquire it? Thanks so much, Alice Blake
--- arturo.ramos2@gmail.com wrote:
From: arturoramos
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Padrones de Panuco
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 15:43:09 -0700 (PDT)
Alice:
Padrones are censuses. In Mexico, the Church would take parrish censuses every generation or so. The ones that I have seen have listings of people's names by locality along with their ages and profession as well as relationship to the head of the household. Very useful but not indexed so you have to know precisely where the people you are looking for lived or be willing to wheel through thousands of names to find your needle in the haystack.
Some months ago a boy from my neighbor´s throw some rocks from his second floor terrace to my second floor roof. I yelled asking him to stop, he not even turn his head, then I manaced to tell his mom and it worked! The past weekend he did it again but with wooden blocks (tiny blocks) so I went to his door, his grandma granted me to come in, so I did. We had a little chat and she was nice listening to me and asking me question about my family and I ask about hers. Then I dropped it
my Genealogy questionaire! there is a little story behind this.
Like 25 year ago my mom and she had a verbal street fight about some water delivery, ´couse those days there where no tab water we had to pay for tanks.
Since then we, the families, don´t talk to each other.
And this ocasion she received me in her home with expression like "come on in Leticia", "it has been long time since I don´t chat with you!
There is more! This lady is a relative of my mom, not very close, and so is of my dad! I don´t know yet how or how far are we related and she ofered me to investigate names with her brother. Are there spirits working around throwing stones?!
We always knew we were related, but just when I was wondering how to investigat his grandson throw items to my roor!
As far as the Legend of the Hacienda de la Yegua Rusa, I heard a
similar legend about one of my ancestors too--not the Martin del Campos
either. It was totally false, as I found this ancestor's baptism record
that discounted the whole story. The Martin del Campo family from Los
Altos is also very well documented as coming from La Revilla de Campos
in Spain, not France. Also if you read in I believe the first volume of
Retonos... By Mariano Gonz.- Leal's book, he discounts the whole French
thing in los Altos. I always wonder why so many individuals have been
told this--you know being French and all. People from Los Altos have
always been such a closed society that didn't like to mingle with
outsiders. Now why would they mingle with common French soldiers, and
boast about it too? During the Cristiada, much later in history, women
from Los Altos (probably in other locales too, but I can only speak for
Los Altos) were often hidden from any soldiers which might be riding by.
Why would French soldiers be seen any differently? I don't even think
they ever came near Los Altos. Read Don Mariano's book for he discusses
this.
Just wondering...
Irma Gomez Gtz de Lucero
Northern California
Corrine and Maria Elena,
Here is the story from a GeaNet posting.
Emilie
Date:
September 5, 2005 06:40PM
Frank te esta hablando tu tia Graciela .
Me ha dado mucho gusto encontrarte y yo te digo que la historia que yo
tengo es asi :
( Esto sucedio al rededor de los anos de la inbacion Francesa, al
rededor de l700....... ) Un nino fue abandonado en las puestas de la
"Hacienda de la Yegua Rusa" con ropages muy finos en una canastilla , y
el nino llevaba puesta una medalla y ropages muy finos y prendida una
nota , en la cual decia:
este nino ya ha sido bautizado y se llama Martin, ruego que no se la
quiten la medalla en el trascurso de su vida.
Los duenos de la Hacienda ya eran personas grandes de edad y nunca
tubieron familia ( y posiblemente creyeron que era la parte adecuada
para que el nino creciera y quisas pudieran reconocerlo cuando El
creciera. ) El nino crecio y las familias y el medio ambiente que les
rodeaban, sabian que el nino no era decendiente de los duenos de la"
HACIENDA DE LA YEGUA RUSA," asi que al nino le empesaron a decir o
identificar cuando hablaban de El ; " ahi va Martin, y cuando se
preguntaban que Martin, facil lo identificaban con" Martin, del campo" (
de la yegua rusa), ya que la Haciebnda estaba cituada en una area que
era grande y le rodeaba la belleza del campo .
Ese nino se supone que fue algun deslis de la fam. real ya que el nino
era blanco, rubio y de ojos azules y el ropaje era de telas muy finas y
encajes franceses , pero como no era bien visto en eos tiempos los
deslices en las familias de alto rango asi que los ninos los desconocian
a los ignoraban escondiendolos o regalandolos pero siempre habia una
clave para poder dar algun dia con los hijos.
Esta es la historia de los Martin del campo .
Parese que la Hacienda famosa estaba situada en Lagos de Moreno, Jal.,
mas no me consta , pero yo tambien he investigado a cerca del origen de
nuestro apeido y esta historia he encontrado. En Lagos de Moreno ,Jal.
se construyo un puente que tiene una inscripcion que dice asi:" Este
puente fue construido en Lagos y se pasa por arriba". Es curioso porque
en aquellos tiempos las personas cominaban apie en burro o a caballo
puesto que todo era cercano y a la orilla del pueblo habia un rio pero
solo en tiempo de lluvias se llenaba de agua, asi que muy pocas personas
eran las que crusaban el puente , se les hacia mas facil crusarse el
arroyuelo a pie que ir a dar la vuelta hasta donde estaba el puente.
Este comentario te lo hago porque las personas pudientes de aquellos
tiempos solian hacer sus fincas en un lugar alto y serca de un rio para
proteger su sitio. y me parecio el mas adecuado porque parece ser que
ahi fue la cuna de los Martin del campo, ya que era la parte mas
acercada entre Mexaico y Guadalajara .
Frank espero estes bien y siempre los recuerdo saludos a tu esposa y los
ninos y saludame a tu papa haber si se acuerda de mi.
------------------------------
Message: 3
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 14:23:48 -0700
From: "Emilie Garcia"
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Fw: Legend of Hacienda de Yegua Rusa
(in Spanish)
To:
Message-ID:
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Arturo,
Could you please translate this story into English for those who aren't
that proficient in Spanish? Also, I have a question: In the story, the
lady says that the French invaded Lagos de Moreno around the 1700s. Is
that true? I thought the French invasion occurred in the middle of the
1800's after the Spanish were kicked out, no? I am so confused by
people saying that their ancestors were from France, including my own
father, now deceased, who told me that his great-great grandfather was
called "El Frances" and had blue eyes. My research shows that his
ancestors lived in Salitrillo, Tepetongo, Zacatecas for hundreds of
years, and the only white people mentioned were "espanol" and the
surnames are Spanish, not French, except for his own surname which is
Basque (Olague). I keep thinking that because the most recent European
invaders had been French in my g-g-grandfather's time, the people just
thought that all white, blue-eyed people there were "French".
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ----
----- Original Message -----
I'll be off line from Tonight at 7 pm Eastern Time until sometime on Sunday (I hope). If you need help you'll need to email moderator@nuestrosrancho.com in the meantime.
joseph
ps: well you never know I might just pop into a library and see what's going on, but I think not.
Has anyone ever ordered material from the Archivo del Arzobispado de Guadalajara (AAG)? Is it possible? Is it expensive? If you have info on this can you post it to the group?
I'm interested in ordering this Padron listed in Dr. Lyman Platt's book "Census Record for Latin America. . ." for Zacatecas, Zacatecas:
1770
Are you all that are going on the "Dream Team Trip" going to be swinging by the Archivo del Arzobispado de Guadalajara (AAG)? Any chance I could get one of you to purchase this for me?
joseph
Not being from Los Altos I'm not keeping up on your all's discussions. Happened upon this and was wondering if you have already ordered this film?
joseph
===================
Title Documentos eclesiásticos, 1772-1784
Authors Iglesia Católica. Arzobispado de Guadalajara (México) (Main Author)
Note Location
Film
Descripción y padrones de la Audiencia de Guadalajara 1772-1773, 1784 Cartas y expedientes 1772 Padrón de Totatiche de Taltenango 1773 Padrón de Sr. San Juan 1772-1773, 1784 Padrón de la Razón 1773 Testimonio del plan del curato de Tlajomulco 1772-1773 FHL INTL Film
758093
I just received the mtDNA from the test that my father did.
Both of my maternal lineages have come back as indigenous (A and B) and both of my paternal lineages have come back as European (E3b and R1b)
HVR1 Haplogroup
B
HVR1 differences
from CRS
16092C
16111T
16182C
16183C
16189C
16217C
16483A
16519C
Here is a link to Reuters news article about a recent archealogical find in Mexico City of a 15th century Aztec altar near the Zocalo.
Alicia
http://libraryweb.utep.edu/special/microfilm.cfm
Yolanda,
the link above is for a list of microfilm sets available at the UTEP. Which set in particular are you interested in?
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---
Hi All
Can anyone direct me on where to go for immigratiopn records? I am fortunate enough to have the date and year that my grandparents and two children crossed into the United States at El Paso. I am sure this could be the key to some new info.
Thanks!
John Robles
Corinne,
There is a story on GeneaNet about how the surname Martin del Campo de la Hacienda de la Yegua Rusa came to be. A baby boy was left at the doorstep of the Hacienda, and his name was Martin del Campo.
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ----
I had to post this and share it with you all because I am so thrilled! No one had been able to find any information on the Hacienda de Los Campos, Aguascalientes where my grandmother was born. I searched and searched under all configurations, and FINALLY when switching from Yahoo's engine to Google's, I found an oral history narrated by an elderly man from El Molino, municipality of Asientos, Aguascalientes. In his narrative he tells how his pueblo of El Molino was once part of La Hacienda De Los Campos! He said that the Hacienda once had huge holdings of land in a place in the northeast that was disputed by three states but which became part of Aguascalientes (Asientos). He said that in the middle of the century there was muich rain which eventually destroyed the hacienda (or the lands - my Spanish translation is so-so on this because he seems to ranmble a bit) and one of the vestiges that was left was the water powered mill with which the hacendados made wheat flour, so
the pueblo became known as El Molino. The oterh payoff from this is that while looking at the names of haciendas in Asientos, I found Ojo de Agua de Rosales, my grandfather's birthplace! This makes Asientos my 'family home' so to speak. Another breakthrough...do you all feel as elated as I do when you make an exciting find like this??
John
I was checking out the Poems and Cuentos in the files and thought of asking
if anyone had ever heard of the story from Jalisco about "hijo de la yegua
rusa," which means son of a russian mare. Anyways, my mother regrets not
paying any attention to her aunt telling the story to my sister, both of
whom are now deceased. Another of my mom's aunts is still living, so we
hope to get the story from her and record it.
Corrine Ardoin
Hola a todos:
En mi folder de archivos podrán encontrar un reporte de los ancestros de mi
bisabuela Zenaida Orozco Moreno. (14 generaciones)
Archivos --- Archivos de Genealogia de Miembros --- Jose Humberto Suarez
Villarreal ------------------------- Ancestros de Zenaida Orozco Moreno /
Zenaida Orozco Moreno´s Ancestors
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/filemanager/active?fid=1263
Saludos
Jose Humberto
---------------------------------
Hello everyone:
In my file folder you will find an ancestor report for my great-grandmother
Zenaida Orozco Moreno (14 generations)
Files --- Members´ Genealogy --- Jose Humberto Suarez Villarreal
----------------------------------------------------Ancestros de Zenaida
Orozco Moreno / Zenaida Orozco Moreno´s Ancestors
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/filemanager/active?fid=1263
Best Regards
Jose Humberto
I am still waiting to get my scanner fixed before I can upload a wonderful
wedding photo of my grandmother and her two sisters and other photos, as
well. I am also still trying to find out the connection to my Martin Del
Campo ancestry and the Romero/De la Torre families. Other pictures I have
are of Pioquinta Gonzalez Figueroa, from Madrid, Spain, according to my
mother. Pioquinta was her great-grandmother. I also have pictures of my
mom's grandfather and grandmother Alberto Martin Del Campo and Francisca
Cabral and of Alberto's mother, Rita Robles Rivera who married Ismael Martin
Del Campo and his sister, Lola. We suspect Jewish heritage in there with a
name like Ismael in our family tree.
Corrine Ardoin
Hello all
Ihave uploaded the document about the Hacienda de los Campos to my folder
in the "members genealogies". It is under my name, John Robles, or you can get there via http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15063. The name of the file is 'History - La Hacienda de los Campos' and is a narrative that tells about the pueblo of El Molino and how it was once part of La Hacienda de los Campos. This was a major discovery for me, because the Hacienda no longer appears anywhere, not even in the ex-Haciendas list.
Thanks
John
Reading of breakthroughs, reminds me of finding the name of my grandmother's
twin sister and the correct year of her birth. For as long as I can
remember, my grandmother, Concepción Martínez Tisnado de Monreal, had
debated with my great uncle, Miguel Martínez Tisnado, as to which of them
had been born in 1889.
Wanting to satisfy my curiosity, I consulted the IGI; however, my
grandmother
was not listed. I knew the information should be in the parish archives of
Altar, Sonora and waiting to be found. As`` some of you know, not all
entries from parish archives are found in the IGI and, even then, they may
be
incorrect. When the microfilm arrived, I went to the entries for May 1,
1889,
the date my grandmother said was her birthdate as shown on her birth
certificate from the state of Sonora.
Not finding the entry, something told me to look in the entries for 1888. I
went
to those for for May 1, 1888. Yes, there were the entries for my
grandmother
and her twin sister, Guadalupe. Telling my grandmoher I had found the name
of
her sister, made her very happy. However, having to admit she was a year
older
and her brother was born in 1889 was a disappointment to her.
This find was in 1982 and I am still researching the Tisnado line. To date
the earliest find has been the marriage of Joseph Domingo Tisnado and María
Magdalena Contreras on 28 Aug 1732. Even though my finds to date have
been in Sonora (and the portion of Arizona which was part of Sonora), I feel
closer to my ancestors being I now live in Tucson, AZ: my fourth
great-grandfather, Juan José Tisnado, was garrisoned at the presidio in
Tucson
and his grandfather was garissoned at the prsidio in Tubac.
George
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From:
To:
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 2:40 AM
Subject: General Digest, Vol 8, Issue 17
> Today's Topics:
>
> 1. Re: A Geographical Breakthrough! (Maria Cortez)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 09:33:10 -0700
> From: "Maria Cortez"
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] A Geographical Breakthrough!
> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
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>
> Alicia and John,
>
> I enjoyed reading your messages very much. They brought back those
> feelings
> of elation when I have made a new discovery in my ongoing search for my
> ancestors.
>
> I wanted to share a search engine that I sometimes use:
> http://dogpile.com/
> Dogpile uses several search engines to perform its searches (including
> Google, Yahoo, MSN). I thought of it when I read about how John switched
> to
> a different search engine and found the answer he had been searching for.
>
> Alicia when I read your story about not finding the birth record for your
> father-in-law I remembered having the same problem with my paternal
> grandfather's baptismal record. Everyone I had talked to about where he
> was
> born and baptized (including my father and several of my Tias) assured me
> my
> grandfather had been baptized in Ixtlahuacan del Rio. I found his
> siblings
> baptismal records on the microfilm, but not my grandfather's. I take
> prints
> on direct line ancestors and write down the data on collateral lines and
> go
> through every film slowly, so I knew I hadn't missed it. When I got
> through
> the entire roll of film where he should've been found something clicked in
> my mind and told me to order the film for Guadalajara. Since it's a big
> city, there are several churches there, but my intuition told me to check
> a
> specific parrish. With nothing more than a hunch, I went through the film
> and found his baptismal record there! My father was incredulous when I
> told
> him where I had found it, but seeing the record in print convinced him.
> To
> this day, I don't know what made me so sure I would find my grandfather's
> record on the Guadalajara film, but I was not the least bit surprised when
> I
> found it on that film.
>
> Maria
>
>
>> Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:10:29 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: Alicia Carrillo
>> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] A Geographical Breakthrough!
>> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
>> Message-ID: <20060928051029.52834.qmail@web83012.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>
>> John,
>>
>> Thank you for sharing that breakthrough!! I feel very happy for you and
>> yes we have all been there. It begins with a small whisper somewhere in
>> our
>> subconcious and before we know it we start to put a voice to that small
>> whisper that asks many questions and has few answers. We begin putting
>> together the stories and legends we've heard from our relatives.
>>
>> Some of us feel it as a hunger to know where we came from and why are we
>> here. In my case I was born in Mexico and was brought to the US at 2
>> years
>> of age as an undocumented alien as some would now call us. As relatives
>> would arrive my parents would say this is your tio or tia....Oooh so many
>> tias and tios that I would ask why or how is it my aunt or uncle. Some
>> were
>> clearly aunts and uncles but most I could not see the connection and was
>> told, "No seas tan preguntona" "Don't be so nosy" as if that would
>> satisfy
>> my curiosity.
>>
>> The years went by, I married a third cousin that I did not know was my
>> cousin. We had our children, they married anglos and I felt a sense of
>> loss
>> and detachment from my culture. Something kept pulling me back to my
>> ancestors and I answered the call. Mostly I wanted to know something
>> about
>> my father-in-law's family as my husband never knew anything about his
>> paternal relations.
>>
>> In January of 2004 I announced to my family that I was gifting myself a
>> trip to Salt Lake as a birthday gift, to begin my genealogical research
>> in
>> earnest. When In Salt Lake, I found the birth record of my
>> father-in-law's
>> brother, Julian Carrillo Jauregui. I know the earth stopped spinning for
>> a
>> fraction of a second in jubilation for this the first of many great
>> finds.
>> To date I still have not found a birth or baptism record for my
>> father-in-law Antonio Carrillo Jauregui who was believed to have been
>> born
>> around 1901 in Nochistlan, Zacatecas. This has not dampened my spirit, on
>> the contrary, it's what keeps me going. It's like a drug, each find
>> compells
>> you to keep digging and sends you off into new areas of research.
>>
>> John Robles, I wish you continued success in your research and know that
>> this is just the first of many breakthroughs. Now you can do the happy
>> dance
>> as most of us have done.
>>
>> Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo
>> San Jose, Calif
>>
>>
>>
>> I had to post this and share it with you all because I am so thrilled! No
>> one had been able to find any information on the Hacienda de Los Campos,
>> Aguascalientes where my grandmother was born. I searched and searched
>> under
>> all configurations, and FINALLY when switching from Yahoo's engine to
>> Google's, I found an oral history narrated by an elderly man from El
>> Molino,
>> municipality of Asientos, Aguascalientes. In his narrative he tells how
>> his
>> pueblo of El Molino was once part of La Hacienda De Los Campos! He said
>> that
>> the Hacienda once had huge holdings of land in a place in the northeast
>> that
>> was disputed by three states but which became part of Aguascalientes
>> (Asientos). He said that in the middle of the century there was muich
>> rain
>> which eventually destroyed the hacienda (or the lands - my Spanish
>> translation is so-so on this because he seems to ranmble a bit) and one
>> of
>> the vestiges that was left was the water powered mill with which the
>> hacendados made wheat flour, so
>> the pueblo became known as El Molino. The oterh payoff from this is that
>> while looking at the names of haciendas in Asientos, I found Ojo de Agua
>> de
>> Rosales, my grandfather's birthplace! This makes Asientos my 'family
>> home'
>> so to speak. Another breakthrough...do you all feel as elated as I do
>> when
>> you make an exciting find like this??
>> John
Hi, Everyone:
I am trying to see if there is a connection between my family and the
Romero's/De La Torre's of Tepatitlan de Morelos. My Martin Del Campo
ancestors were from there and my great-aunt Rosario Martin Del Campo married
a Romero before she immigrated to the United States. I have an old photo of
the wedding party I plan on uploading (or is the correct word downloading?)
that includes herself with her sister, my grandmother, Magdalena, to her
right, and her other sister, Maria Luisa on her left. Behind each of them,
stands their escorts and I'm wondering if the man behind Rosario is the man
she married. Must be, but I am not sure. If it is, then that is a picture
of the Romero she married. She must have married him pretty young. It had
to have been taken in the very early 1920's. When I get my scanner fixed I
will be able to get that photo online for others to see.
Corrine Ardoin
Does anyone know why a film would have a batch number but no associated film # or dates for the film on the IGI?
Any help would be appreciated. I have copied below an example for Asientos, Aguascalientes, Mexico that has the batch # but not the film# or dates.
Alicia Carrillo
San Jose, Calif
PAULA
Female
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 26 FEB 1884 Nuestra Senora De Belen, Asientos, Aguascalientes, Mexico
Death:
Burial:
Parents:
Father: PABLO LUEVANO Family
Mother: LEOCADIA SAUCEDO
Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C646205
John Robles asked where I am located and that he knew a Martin Del Campo.
That made me realize I did not elaborate on my genealogy just where I fit
in. The Martin Del Campo line is my mother's mother's paternal line. My
grandmother's maiden name was Martin Del Campo. She and her husband raised
their family in Los Angeles. I live in Santa Maria, California. So, my
genealogy begins with me, then my mother, then my grandmother, Magdalena
Martin Del Campo, then her father, which is my great-grandfather, Alberto
Martin Del Campo and it goes on up the line from there. My grandmother's
siblings and other Martin Del Campo relatives that came to the United States
scattered across the country, primarily settling in the Los Angeles area and
elsewhere in Southern California and in New Jersey.
I have photos of some of the people listed in my genealogy. I hope to
contribute those, as well. Just got to get the darn scanner fixed!
Corrine Ardoin
THe most I had to present besides the cash was a death certificate of the person I was looking for.
My great uncle's soc sec # was on his death certificate so I knew what social security # to request the
a copy of the original app under the freedom of information act.
--
Esther A. Herold
-------------- Original message from Leticia Leon : --------------
> Hi,
Speaking of the Robles family, does anyone know anything about a Cap.Diego Robles in CUencame. He is supposedly credited with the finding of Parras,Coahuila in 1598. He was from Cuencame.
I ask because I am desended from the Robles family from Parras, General Cepeda, and Monclova. I am blocked and struggling to make a connection to him.
Thanks,
--
Esther A. Herold
-------------- Original message from john robles : --------------
> I actually did ifnd a person named Robles in Puebla and I emailed to see if they
> were a relation. I haven't heard back though. Robles is a much more common name
> than Nieves, I think...
> Actually my Spanish if fine but not when it comes to deciphering what a man
> says in a narrative that is sort of rambling with sentences that go on for
> miles!
> I have attached a copy of it..if anyone wishes to translate it I would be
> eternally grateful and try to return the favor somehow. I get the gist of it but
> would love to read every word.
> John
>
> Joseph Puentes wrote:
>
> Just a quick message about the most valuable resource in my genealogy so
> far. Somehow someway I managed to copy a couple of pages out of an old
> phonebook that my mom used to use. The copying took place way before I
> was seriously interested in genealogy and I promptly put them in with a
> very tall stack of papers in my "save" section of multiple other stacks
> of papers. Well one day many years after, but during my new found love
> for genealogy (just about 12 months ago) I found that paper and boy was
> I surprised. Here in my own handwriting was the answer to my brickwall.
> A phone number to a person that my aunt had told me to contact because
> they were related to my maternal Grandmother who I didn't even know what
> her real name was. I called that person and got enough information to
> find my Grandmother's baptism certificate and then a few generations
> more back. Then on those pages from the phone book I found another
> branch of my maternal Grandfathers family effectively increasing that
> side of the family at least 100% and maybe upward of 200-300%.
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> Aside from old personal phone books I have spent a lot of time with just
> regular phone books. If your spanish is not so good just start with the
> border cities in the US and call all the people in those towns (El Paso,
> Calexico, San Diego, many others) with the surnames you are hunting for.
> Just tell them right off what you're doing something like: "I'm a
> genealogist and I share the same surname as you do. My 'Puentes' come
> from Jalisco Mexico and I was wondering if your 'Puentes' line also came
> from Mexico? etc. etc. etc." I've managed to find several lost branches
> of the family with that technique and it also works when calling mexico
> even though I needed to find a good calling card that gives lots of
> minutes for Mexico.
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> I guess I said all that to say that yes I have many times felt something
> very similar to feeling the way John Robles has felt in finding
> breakthroughs. I describe it as my heart do physical backflips.
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