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I wonder if anyone can help me with a place name in Aguascalientes.

I have a baptism record here for my husband's ggggg-grandfather, baptized in Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes in 1748, but he was born in a place that looks like "Marinique". I don't find that place in the Diccionario Geografico, but when I Googled it, I came up with a "Marinique Resort" in Aguascalientes. However, when I entered the website, I couldn't find it listed. (It is a travel website).

Has anyone encountered this place name before and/or have any idea where in Aguascalientes or other state it may have been in?

Thanks,

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ----

As of 09/23/2006 the Nuestros Ranchos group has started a new policy.
The group is experiencing tremendous growth and that growth has forced
the policy change.

From now on to be a member of the group you must first send in a
genealogy report showing your connection to either Jalisco, Zacatecas,
and/or Aguascalientes. After I receive the report I will activate your
account.

If you are unsure about sending in your report I would suggest that you
read through the message archives and see if this group is right for you.

Sincerely,

Joseph Puentes - originating Moderator

ps: Those of you that were subscribed to the list before 09/23/2006 will
be allowed to stay with the same deadline of 01-31-2007 to get your
genealogy submitted. However I would very very much enjoy and be
appreciative it you would just go ahead and send me a report in either
"Word" or just in an email with your "representative" tree.

I'll need the following info from you:

1) your name and Username and subscription email address (please don't
email me from a different address and not identify yourself)\
2) The specific name of the file you are sending
3) The specific Ranchos in our target area of research that the file is
associated with

please don't forget that and please do try to get those to me soon, but
as I said you really do have until 01-31-2007

Right now the group is hovering around 160 members. . .but I predict
(please group members make me a false prophet). . .I predict that on the
32nd of January 2007 there will be 35% fewer members in the group. .
.WHY??? Because 35% of the new members will fail to do one of three things:

1) Understand that when they agreed to send in a representative tree
showing their connection to our area of research that I completely meant
they needed to do this within a reasonable time (i.e. 31 January 2007)
or be removed from the group.

2) They failed to communicate with me (makas(remove)@nc.rr.com or
moderator(remove)@nuestrosranchos.org) making a reasonable request for
additional time.

3) Send in their Genealogy Report.

Now I just want to take a second to say that the Nuestros Ranchos group
DOES NOT want your life's genealogical work sent in. Nor do we require
you to send in your gedcom (though several have and this is becoming a
popular way of meeting the requirement). All that is required is a
"REPRESENTATIVE" tree preferably in "genealogy report" form in either
.doc or .rtf format showing your connection to Jalisco, Zacatecas,
and/or Aguascalientes. This representative tree can be written into a
Word document or just into an email. It doesn't have to be fancy and can
be as simple as just listing your grandparents and great grandparents
along with their places and times of birth. . .heck while you're at it
toss in a few of their children and siblings just to flesh it out a bit.
That will take you all of 20-30 minutes to compose if you are a
"serious" researcher, but if you are not, well you might have trouble
and might need to strive toward becoming one by getting more involved.

If you are a new researcher and are in the process of finding
information all you need to do is send me an email and ask for an
extension. Believe me my bark is very much worse than my bite.

Another Note: When you send in your Genealogy Report make absolutely
sure that you "DO NOT INCLUDE LIVING RELATIVES" in the report!!! Very
important for security and privacy sake!!!

If you want to complete the whole process yourself (RECOMMENDED) then go
to the "Files" and then to "Members Genealogies" and see the "WRITTEN IN
STONE" format for the way your folder should look: Your Name (places of
your Nuestros Ranchos research) - PLEASE FOLLOW THIS FORMAT or I'll go
in later and change it. After you see the correct format then go to the
home page or any page of the site and click on "create content" and then
click on "File Folder."

If you have any questions about how to do this ASK!

sincerely and seriously getting down to business,

joseph - moderator

ps: If anyone out there would like to make a translated copy of this
please email me.

pps: i'll be sending out this reminder in October, November, December,
and finally one last time at the beginning of 2007. Probably around the
24th of November I'll start sharpening my Ax.

Joseph, The film I searched was Villa Garcia Vault Intl Film 2053580 which includes nacimentos 1914-1917, and didn't find any Onates in those years. Yes, she had two brothers, but no Onates or Santelices (in case the mother's maiden name was used)showed on that film. We don't know her brother's names; upon my grandparents separation, the oldest son was taken to live with the Onates, and the other died a young man. There are also no Onates in the 1930 census for Villa Garcia, et al. Thanks for your suggestions. ABB

--- makas@nc.rr.com wrote:

From: Joseph Puentes
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Oñate's from Villa Garcia
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 16:32:54 -0500

So what have you found from the Villa Garcia, Zacatecas film? Have you
had a search of this film yet? Nacimientos
1908-1910,1912-1913,1918,1919-1920 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1090103 ] it
seems that 1915 is missing doesn't it? Well you might have to go
searching for your family on these films. Did your mother have siblings?

joseph

Title
Registros civiles del municipio de Villa García, 1862-1996

Authors
Villa García (Zacatecas). Registro Civil (Main Author)

Notes
Microfilme de manuscritos en el Archivo General de Gobierno del Estado
de Zacatecas.
Algunos de los libros incluyen índice.
Registros civiles del municipio de Villa García, Zacatecas, México.
(Incluyen registros de los pueblos de Montesa, El Lobo, Los Campos y San
Marcos)
Civil registers of births, marriages, and deaths from the municipality
of Villa García, Zacatecas, Mexico.(Includes records from the towns of
Montesa, El Lobo, San Marcos and Los Campos)

Subjects
México, Zacatecas, Villa García - Civil registration

Format
Manuscript (On Film)

Language
Spanish

Publication
Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmados por la Sociedad Genealógica de Utah,
1973, 1998

Physical
30 rollos de microfilme ; 35 mm.

Film Notes
Note - Location [Film]
Nacimientos 1864,1867-1868 - FHL INTL Film [ 1090097 ]
Nacimientos 1870-1879 - FHL INTL Film [ 1090098 ]
Nacimientos 1880-1886,1888 - FHL INTL Film [ 1090099 ]
Nacimientos 1889-1894 - FHL INTL Film [ 1090100 ]
Nacimientos 1895-1897,1899-1900 - FHL INTL Film [ 1090101 ]
Nacimientos 1901-1907 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1090102 ]
Nacimientos 1908-1910,1912-1913,1918,1919-1920 - VAULT INTL Film [
1090103 ]
Matrimonios 1862,1867-1868 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1090104 ]
Matrimonios 1870-1872 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1090105 ]
Matrimonios 1873-1879 - FHL INTL Film [ 1089258 ]
Matrimonios 1881-1884 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1089259 ]
Matrimonios 1885-1888 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1089260 ]
Matrimonios 1889-1893 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1089261 ]
Matrimonios 1894-1897 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1089262 ]
Matrimonios 1899-1900 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1089263 ]
Matrimonios 1901-1903 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1089264 ]
Matrimonios 1904-1906 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1089265 ]
Matrimonios 1907-1908 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1089266 ]
Matrimonios 1909-1910 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1089267 ]
Matrimonios 1912-1914,1918-1920 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1089268 ]
Defunciones 1864,1867-1868,1870-1875 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1089269 ]
Defunciones 1876-1886 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1089270 ]
Defunciones 1887-1892 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1089271 ]
Defunciones 1893-1897,1899-1900 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1089272 ]
Defunciones 1901-1909 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1089273 ]
Defunciones 1910,1912-1914,1918-1920 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1089274 ]
Nacimientos 1914-1917 (Montesa, Lobo, San Marcos, Villa Garcia),
1921-1930 (Villa Garcia) -- Matrimonios 1921-1936 - VAULT INTL Film [
2053580 ]
Matrimonios 1937-1950 -- Defunciones 1921-1970 - VAULT INTL Film [
2053581 ]
Defunciones 1971-1998 -- Nacimientos (Montesa) 1921-1930 -- Defucniones
(Montesa) 1921-1924, 1926-1981 - VAULT INTL Film [ 2053604 ]
Defunciones (Montesa) 1982-1995, 1997 -- Defunciones (Los Campos) 1954,
1956-1997 -- Nacimientos (San Marcos) 1921-1922, 1924-1930 --
Defunciones (San Marcos) 1921, 1924-1931 (Incluye nacimeintos de Montesa
1923) -- Nacimientos y defunciones (El Lobo) 1921, 1923-1924 --
Matrimonios y defunciones (Ville García) 1914-1917 - VAULT INTL Film [
2053605 ]

© 2002 Intellectual Reserve, Inc. All rights reserved.

AliceBB wrote:

Hi, Joseph,

Most of us don't have a clue as to what it takes to be a moderator. If you are overwhelmed by the work, we don't blame you for wanting to cut down on the work, and you have to do what you have to do.

I think perhaps in future, it should be a steadfast rule that in order to be approved for the group, one must first submit at least a basic family tree, and if not, they should be able to tell what they know about their ancestors and what they hope to achieve. Surely everyone can do that, and they know enough about who some of their ancestors were and where their ancestors originated or they would not be desiring to join a genealogy group specific to Jalisco, Aguascalientes and Zacatecas (that formerly comprised most of Nueva Galicia).

It is great that you got the help of the most able Mr. Ramos to help you. Maybe you need an assistant moderator. I wish I was more computer literate, so I could help you. As it is, I spend so many hours a week at the local FHC and on the computer doing my own research and that of others that I sometimes feel overwhelmed too. Metimos la pata, as my husband would say.

I think the three points for qualification to membership in the group that you set down are fine.

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ----

I need some help. I have a position open for a Moderator Assistant. The
job entails about 1-4 hours of work a month. Actually once you get the
idea (easy) you should definitely be pushing the window toward the 1
hour per month direction.

Here is the job description to be accomplished after careful tutoring:

1) look at the list of new applicants for membership

2) when 15 days have passed from the time the applicant first applied
for membership send out a form email to that person.

3) when 30 days have passed from the time the applicant first applied
for membership send out a different form email to that person.

4) send me a list of persons you have sent out the 30 day form letter to.

anyone interested in helping?

thanks,

joseph

Hi,

After reading you "Right now the group is hovering around 160 member" in order to save you time I decide to have you remove me now. I am alway busy on the road going to different archives and genealogical groups that I can understand your situation.
I am resquesting to be removed from you site and e-mail list. Thank you for your time and the great job you do.

Take Care

Patsy Castro de Ludwig
Ludwig-paz@sbcglobal.net

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2. Los Gutierrez Coronado ( Tom?s Alejandro Villegas G?mez )
3. Re: Recording George Ryskamp (Josie T. Trevino)

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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 07:20:38 -0500
From: Joseph Puentes
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] 31 January 2007 Reminder
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org, announce@nuestrosranchos.org,
research@nuestrosranchos.org
Message-ID: <45128396.8010006@nc.rr.com>
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Right now the group is hovering around 160 members. . .but I predict
(please group members make me a false prophet). . .I predict that on the
32nd of January 2007 there will be 35% fewer members in the group. .
.WHY??? Because 35% of the new members will fail to do one of three things:

1) Understand that when they agreed to send in a representative tree
showing their connection to our area of research that I completely meant
they needed to do this within a reasonable time (i.e. 31 January 2007)
or be removed from the group.

2) They failed to communicate with me (makas(remove)@nc.rr.com or
moderator(remove)@nuestrosranchos.org) making a reasonable request for
additional time.

3) Send in their Genealogy Report.

Now I just want to take a second to say that the Nuestros Ranchos group
DOES NOT want your life's genealogical work sent in. Nor do we require
you to send in your gedcom (though several have and this is becoming a
popular way of meeting the requirement). All that is required is a
"REPRESENTATIVE" tree preferably in "genealogy report" form in either
.doc or .rtf format showing your connection to Jalisco, Zacatecas,
and/or Aguascalientes. This representative tree can be written into a
Word document or just into an email. It doesn't have to be fancy and can
be as simple as just listing your grandparents and great grandparents
along with their places and times of birth. . .heck while you're at it
toss in a few of their children and siblings just to flesh it out a bit.
That will take you all of 20-30 minutes to compose if you are a
"serious" researcher, but if you are not, well you might have trouble
and might need to strive toward becoming one by getting more involved.

If you are a new researcher and are in the process of finding
information all you need to do is send me an email and ask for an
extension. Believe me my bark is very much worse than my bite.

Another Note: When you send in your Genealogy Report make absolutely
sure that you "DO NOT INCLUDE LIVING RELATIVES" in the report!!! Very
important for security and privacy sake!!!

If you want to complete the whole process yourself (RECOMMENDED) then go
to the "Files" and then to "Members Genealogies" and see the "WRITTEN IN
STONE" format for the way your folder should look: Your Name (places of
your Nuestros Ranchos research) - PLEASE FOLLOW THIS FORMAT or I'll go
in later and change it. After you see the correct format then go to the
home page or any page of the site and click on "create content" and then
click on "File Folder."

If you have any questions about how to do this ASK!

sincerely and seriously getting down to business,

joseph - moderator

ps: If anyone out there would like to make a translated copy of this
please email me.

pps: i'll be sending out this reminder in October, November, December,
and finally one last time at the beginning of 2007. Probably around the
24th of November I'll start sharpening my Ax.

------------------------------

Message: 2
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 15:12:17 -0500
From: " Tom?s Alejandro Villegas G?mez "
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Los Gutierrez Coronado
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Message-ID:
<50f333d50609211312t4ae276d8t6c2efd9aec5d9126@mail.gmail.com>
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Tom?s Alejandro Villegas G?mez
Date: 21-sep-2006 15:08
Subject: Re:
To: jorge luis ramirez gomez

Hola Jorge Luis:

Aqui te pongo lo poco que tengo de los Gutierrez Coronado,
espero te sirva de algo:

*

Descendants of Juan Guti?rrez Coronado
*

*

Generation No. 1
*

*

1.
*Juan1 Guti?rrez Coronado was born Aprox. 1618 in Ocotl?n, Jal.. He married
Mar?a Navarro-Gait?n-Cabrera 13 Dic 1643 in Ocotl?n, Jal., daughter of Pedro
Navarro-Gait?n and Mar?a de-Cabrera. She was born Aprox. 1626 in Ocotl?n,
Jal., M?x..

Notes for Mar?a Navarro-Gait?n-Cabrera:

El Jue-2-Ene-2003, busque en el IGI encontre estos datos como sigue:

Batch# F867916, Sheet# 034, Film# 1396254. Aqui dice que Maria Cabrera nacio
alrrededor 1596.,

y que sus padres son Martin Casillas y Mencia Gonz?lez de Cabrera. y el
listado de sus hijos.

More About Juan Guti?rrez Coronado and Mar?a Navarro-Gait?n-Cabrera:

Marriage: 13 Dic 1643, Ocotl?n, Jal.

Children of Juan Guti?rrez Coronado and Mar?a Navarro-Gait?n-Cabrera are:

2. i. Juan2 Guti?rrez Coronado Navarro, b. Aprox. 1645.

ii. Mar?a Guti?rrez Coronado Navarro, b. Feb 1647, Ocotl?n, Jal..

More About Mar?a Guti?rrez Coronado Navarro:

Baptism: 20 Feb 1647, Ocotl?n, Jal.
*

iii. Petronila Guti?rrez Coronado Navarro, b. Ene 1649, Ocotl?n, Jal..

More About Petronila Guti?rrez Coronado Navarro:

Baptism: 28 Ene 1649, Ocotl?n, Jal.
**

iv. Antonia Guti?rrez Coronado Navarro, b. Dic 1661, Ocotl?n, Jal..

More About Antonia Guti?rrez Coronado Navarro:

Baptism: 05 Dic 1661, Ocotl?n, Jal.
**

v. Nicolasa Guti?rrez Coronado Navarro, b. Oct 1663, Poncitl?n Pueblo, Jal..

More About Nicolasa Guti?rrez Coronado Navarro:

Baptism: 01 Oct 1663, Poncitl?n Pueblo, Jal.
**

3. vi. Felipe Guti?rrez Coronado Navarro, b. Aprox. 1666.

4. vii. J?se Guti?rrez Coronado Navarro, b. Aprox. 1670.
*

*

Generation No. 2
*

*

2.
*Juan2 Guti?rrez Coronado Navarro (Juan1 Guti?rrez Coronado) was born Aprox.
1645. He married Juana de la Mora Zamora Aprox. 1671 in Ocotl?n, Jal.,
daughter of Fernando de la Mora and Mar?a Zamora. She was born Aprox. 1652.

More About Juan Guti?rrez Coronado Navarro and Juana de la Mora Zamora:

Marriage: Aprox. 1671, Ocotl?n, Jal.

Children of Juan Guti?rrez Coronado Navarro and Juana de la Mora Zamora are:

5. i. Juana3 Guti?rrez Coronado de la Mora, b. Aprox. 1674, Ocotl?n, Jal..

ii. Juan Guti?rrez Coronado de la Mora, b. Aprox. 1692, Ocotl?n, Jal.; m.
Justa-Lugarda de Alba Bocanegra Glez, 13 Ene 1721, San Felipe, Cuquio, Jal.;
b. Sep 1699, Tepatitl?n, Jal..

More About Justa-Lugarda de Alba Bocanegra Glez:

Baptism: 04 Sep 1699, Tepatitl?n, Jal.

More About Juan Guti?rrez Coronado de la Mora and Justa-Lugarda de Alba
Bocanegra Glez:

Marriage: 13 Ene 1721, San Felipe, Cuquio, Jal.
*

iii. Francisco Guti?rrez Coronado de la Mora, m. Antonia de Alba Bocanegra
Glez, 01 Jun 1711, San Felipe, Cuquio, Jal.; b. Jul 1690, Tepatitl?n, Jal..

More About Antonia de Alba Bocanegra Glez:

Baptism: 20 Jul 1690, Capilla de Mezcala, Tepatitl?n, Jal.

More About Francisco Guti?rrez Coronado de la Mora and Antonia de Alba
Bocanegra Glez:

Marriage: 01 Jun 1711, San Felipe, Cuquio, Jal.
*

*

3.
*Felipe2 Guti?rrez Coronado Navarro (Juan1 Guti?rrez Coronado) was born
Aprox. 1666. He married Francisca Glez de Hermosillo Renteria Aprox. 1693 in
Jalostotitl?n, Jal., daughter of Melchor Gonz?lez de Hermosillo and
Francisca Renteria Mojica. She was born Aprox. 1675.

More About Felipe Guti?rrez Coronado Navarro and Francisca Glez de
Hermosillo Renteria:

Marriage: Aprox. 1693, Jalostotitl?n, Jal.

Children of Felipe Guti?rrez Coronado Navarro and Francisca Glez de
Hermosillo Renteria are:

i. Felipe3 Guti?rrez Coronado Glez Hermosillo, b. Aprox. 1694,
Jalostotitl?n, Jal..

ii. Melchor Guti?rrez Coronado Glez Hermosillo, b. Aprox. 1696,
Jalostotitl?n, Jal.; d. 24 Oct 1747.

iii. Miguel Guti?rrez Coronado Glez Hermosillo, b. Aprox. 1697,
Jalostotitl?n, Jal.; d. 03 Sep 1766.

iv. Antonio Guti?rrez Coronado Glez Hermosillo, b. Aprox. 1702,
Jalostotitl?n, Jal..

v. Tom?s-Joaqu Guti?rrez Coronado Glez Hermosillo, b. Aprox. 1707,
Jalostotitl?n, Jal.; d. 08 Oct 1747.

vi. Juan-Fco Guti?rrez Coronado Glez Hermosillo, b. Aprox. 1714,
Jalostotitl?n, Jal..

6. vii. Jos?-Bonifa Guti?rrez Coronado Glez Hermosillo.

*

4.
*J?se2 Guti?rrez Coronado Navarro (Juan1 Guti?rrez Coronado) was born Aprox.
1670. He married Mariana Hermosillo Camarena Aprox. 1695 in Jalostotitlan,
Jalisco, Mexico, daughter of Miguel Gonz?lez de Hermosillo and Mar?a
Camarena. She was born Aprox. 1674 in Jalostotitl?n, Jal., and died 10 Ago
1716.

More About J?se Guti?rrez Coronado Navarro and Mariana Hermosillo Camarena:

Marriage: Aprox. 1695, Jalostotitlan, Jalisco, Mexico

Children of J?se Guti?rrez Coronado Navarro and Mariana Hermosillo Camarena
are:

i. Mar?a3 Guti?rrez Coronado Hermosillo, b. Aprox. 1696, Jalostotitl?n,
Jal.; d. 01 Jun 1763; m. Luis-Antonio Casillas Cabrera de Rodas, 12 Nov
1715, Ntra. Sra. Asunci?n, Jalostotitl?n, Jal.; b. Aprox. 1685,
Jalostotitl?n, Jal..

More About Luis-Antonio Casillas Cabrera de Rodas and Mar?a Guti?rrez
Coronado Hermosillo:

Marriage: 12 Nov 1715, Ntra. Sra. Asunci?n, Jalostotitl?n, Jal.
*

ii. Miguel Guti?rrez Coronado Hermosillo, b. Aprox. 1698, Jalostotitl?n,
Jal.; d. 17 Feb 1759; m. Teresa Glez de Hermosillo Lomel?n, 22 Ene 1731,
Ntra. Sra. Asunci?n, Jalostotitl?n, Jal.; b. Unknown; d. 02 Dic 1731.

More About Miguel Guti?rrez Coronado Hermosillo and Teresa Glez de
Hermosillo Lomel?n:

Marriage: 22 Ene 1731, Ntra. Sra. Asunci?n, Jalostotitl?n, Jal.
**

iii. Ana Guti?rrez Coronado Hermosillo, b. Aprox. 1702, Jalostotitl?n, Jal..
*

*

Generation No. 3
*

*

5.
*Juana3 Guti?rrez Coronado de la Mora (Juan2 Guti?rrez Coronado Navarro,
Juan1 Guti?rrez Coronado) was born Aprox. 1674 in Ocotl?n, Jal.. She married
Geronimo Glez de Hermosillo Renteria Aprox. 1694 in Ocotl?n, Jal., son of
Melchor Gonz?lez de Hermosillo and Francisca Renteria Mojica. He was born
Aprox. 1669 in Jalostotitl?n, Jal..

More About Geronimo Glez de Hermosillo Renteria and Juana Guti?rrez Coronado
de la Mora:

Marriage: Aprox. 1694, Ocotl?n, Jal.

Child of Juana Guti?rrez Coronado de la Mora and Geronimo Glez de Hermosillo
Renteria is:

i. Geronimo4 Glez de Hermosillo Gtz Coronado, m. Ana-Gertrudis Lozano
Enr?quez, 29 Nov 1722, Ntra. Sra. Asunci?n, Jalostotitl?n, Jal.; b. Mar
1702, Jalostotitl?n, Jal..

More About Ana-Gertrudis Lozano Enr?quez:

Baptism: 22 Mar 1702, Ntra. Sra. Asunci?n, Jalostotitl?n, Jal.

More About Geronimo Glez de Hermosillo Gtz Coronado and Ana-Gertrudis Lozano
Enr?quez:

Marriage: 29 Nov 1722, Ntra. Sra. Asunci?n, Jalostotitl?n, Jal.

*

6.
*Jos?-Bonifa3 Guti?rrez Coronado Glez Hermosillo (Felipe2 Guti?rrez Coronado
Navarro, Juan1 Guti?rrez Coronado) He married Ana Gonz?lez 01 Jul 1748 in
Ntra. Sra. Asunci?n, Jalostotitl?n, Jal..

More About Jos?-Bonifa Guti?rrez Coronado Glez Hermosillo and Ana Gonz?lez:

Marriage: 01 Jul 1748, Ntra. Sra. Asunci?n, Jalostotitl?n, Jal.

Child of Jos?-Bonifa Guti?rrez Coronado Glez Hermosillo and Ana Gonz?lez is:

7. i. Prudencio4 Guti?rrez Coronado.

*

Generation No. 4
*

*

7.
*Prudencio4 Guti?rrez Coronado (Jos?-Bonifa3 Guti?rrez Coronado Glez
Hermosillo, Felipe2 Guti?rrez Coronado Navarro, Juan1 Guti?rrez Coronado) He
married Ma-Dolores Hermosillo 11 May 1785 in Ntra. Sra. Asunci?n,
Jalostotitl?n, Jal., daughter of Cristobal Hermosillo Padilla and Josefa
Alvarez Tostado Ram?rez Hermosillo.

More About Prudencio Guti?rrez Coronado and Ma-Dolores Hermosillo:

Marriage: 11 May 1785, Ntra. Sra. Asunci?n, Jalostotitl?n, Jal.

Child of Prudencio Guti?rrez Coronado and Ma-Dolores Hermosillo is:

8. i. Severiana5 Guti?rrez Hermosillo.

*

Generation No. 5
*

*

Is it safe to say that "these individuals," have been individually notified
and have replied with a ' yes' or 'no' to continue?

Is it ok to edit/delete an individual record from one's own GEDCOM, or does
that also need to be done by the moderator?

Pat Silva Corbera
Tracy CA

A reminder about the Hispanic Conference in Salt Lake City on October 13th &
14thth......

the seminar schedules in both English and Spanish are posted at:

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/14949

I spoke with George Ryskamp last night and he agreed for us to record any of
his seminars for Joseph's Podcast project.....Joseph, he sends his regards!

If anyone has any questions regarding anything about the conference (which
is free to the public) or about the hotels available, please feel free to
ask.......I will be glad to post the information again if anyone needs it!
There are still a couple of rooms left at the Plaza Best Western Inn ($82.00
plus tax for two persons) right next door to the library and more rooms
available at the Howard Johnson Express Inn ($35.00 plus tax for a single &
$49.00 plus tax for two persons) a couple of blocks away.

The telephone number to call to order your VAULT film in advance is:
1-801-240-2334. If you tell them you are part of a group coming from out of
state to do research they will let you order ANY AMOUNT of films that you
need......otherwise the limit is five films per request.

Please let me know if you need any other assistance.....

Josie in San Antonio

Hello, I need the name of parents, if any, and padrinos on these marriages items

¿some one could extract them from the film in permanent loan? the film is subscribed in the films section of the group

I certanly appreciate this favor, thank you

Mexico

1054. NAZARIO COS Y LEON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 14 MAY 1884 Santa Maria De Guadalupe, Arandas, Jalisco, Mexico

1055. JOSEFA COZ Y LEON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Marriage: 02 OCT 1883 Santa Maria De Guadalupe, Arandas, Jalisco, Mexico

1056. MELECIO COZ Y LEON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 27 APR 1882 Santa Maria De Guadalupe, Arandas, Jalisco, Mexico

1057. FRANCISCA COZ Y LEON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Marriage: 27 APR 1882 Santa Maria De Guadalupe, Arandas, Jalisco, Mexico

1058. JESUS COS Y LEON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 15 MAY 1884 Santa Maria De Guadalupe, Arandas, Jalisco, Mexico

1059. MARIA DEL PILAR COZ Y LEON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Marriage: 11 JUL 1883 Santa Maria De Guadalupe, Arandas, Jalisco, Mexico

1060. ANTONIO COSILEON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 08 MAY 1871 Santa Maria De Guadalupe, Arandas, Jalisco, Mexico

Batch M604434 matrimonios Arandas, Jal 1870-1885

Film 0279678

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Tomás Alejandro Villegas Gómez
Date: 21-sep-2006 15:08
Subject: Re:
To: jorge luis ramirez gomez

Hola Jorge Luis:

Aqui te pongo lo poco que tengo de los Gutierrez Coronado,
espero te sirva de algo:

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Descendants of Juan Gutiérrez Coronado
*

*

Generation No. 1
*

*

1.
*Juan1 Gutiérrez Coronado was born Aprox. 1618 in Ocotlán, Jal.. He married
María Navarro-Gaitán-Cabrera 13 Dic 1643 in Ocotlán, Jal., daughter of Pedro
Navarro-Gaitán and María de-Cabrera. She was born Aprox. 1626 in Ocotlán,
Jal., Méx..

Notes for María Navarro-Gaitán-Cabrera:

El Jue-2-Ene-2003, busque en el IGI encontre estos datos como sigue:

Batch# F867916, Sheet# 034, Film# 1396254. Aqui dice que Maria Cabrera nacio
alrrededor 1596.,

y que sus padres son Martin Casillas y Mencia González de Cabrera. y el
listado de sus hijos.

More About Juan Gutiérrez Coronado and María Navarro-Gaitán-Cabrera:

Marriage: 13 Dic 1643, Ocotlán, Jal.

Children of Juan Gutiérrez Coronado and María Navarro-Gaitán-Cabrera are:

2. i. Juan2 Gutiérrez Coronado Navarro, b. Aprox. 1645.

ii. María Gutiérrez Coronado Navarro, b. Feb 1647, Ocotlán, Jal..

More About María Gutiérrez Coronado Navarro:

Baptism: 20 Feb 1647, Ocotlán, Jal.
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iii. Petronila Gutiérrez Coronado Navarro, b. Ene 1649, Ocotlán, Jal..

More About Petronila Gutiérrez Coronado Navarro:

Baptism: 28 Ene 1649, Ocotlán, Jal.
**

iv. Antonia Gutiérrez Coronado Navarro, b. Dic 1661, Ocotlán, Jal..

More About Antonia Gutiérrez Coronado Navarro:

Baptism: 05 Dic 1661, Ocotlán, Jal.
**

v. Nicolasa Gutiérrez Coronado Navarro, b. Oct 1663, Poncitlán Pueblo, Jal..

More About Nicolasa Gutiérrez Coronado Navarro:

Baptism: 01 Oct 1663, Poncitlán Pueblo, Jal.
**

3. vi. Felipe Gutiérrez Coronado Navarro, b. Aprox. 1666.

4. vii. Jóse Gutiérrez Coronado Navarro, b. Aprox. 1670.
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Generation No. 2
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*

2.
*Juan2 Gutiérrez Coronado Navarro (Juan1 Gutiérrez Coronado) was born Aprox.
1645. He married Juana de la Mora Zamora Aprox. 1671 in Ocotlán, Jal.,
daughter of Fernando de la Mora and María Zamora. She was born Aprox. 1652.

More About Juan Gutiérrez Coronado Navarro and Juana de la Mora Zamora:

Marriage: Aprox. 1671, Ocotlán, Jal.

Children of Juan Gutiérrez Coronado Navarro and Juana de la Mora Zamora are:

5. i. Juana3 Gutiérrez Coronado de la Mora, b. Aprox. 1674, Ocotlán, Jal..

ii. Juan Gutiérrez Coronado de la Mora, b. Aprox. 1692, Ocotlán, Jal.; m.
Justa-Lugarda de Alba Bocanegra Glez, 13 Ene 1721, San Felipe, Cuquio, Jal.;
b. Sep 1699, Tepatitlán, Jal..

More About Justa-Lugarda de Alba Bocanegra Glez:

Baptism: 04 Sep 1699, Tepatitlán, Jal.

More About Juan Gutiérrez Coronado de la Mora and Justa-Lugarda de Alba
Bocanegra Glez:

Marriage: 13 Ene 1721, San Felipe, Cuquio, Jal.
*

iii. Francisco Gutiérrez Coronado de la Mora, m. Antonia de Alba Bocanegra
Glez, 01 Jun 1711, San Felipe, Cuquio, Jal.; b. Jul 1690, Tepatitlán, Jal..

More About Antonia de Alba Bocanegra Glez:

Baptism: 20 Jul 1690, Capilla de Mezcala, Tepatitlán, Jal.

More About Francisco Gutiérrez Coronado de la Mora and Antonia de Alba
Bocanegra Glez:

Marriage: 01 Jun 1711, San Felipe, Cuquio, Jal.
*

*

3.
*Felipe2 Gutiérrez Coronado Navarro (Juan1 Gutiérrez Coronado) was born
Aprox. 1666. He married Francisca Glez de Hermosillo Renteria Aprox. 1693 in
Jalostotitlán, Jal., daughter of Melchor González de Hermosillo and
Francisca Renteria Mojica. She was born Aprox. 1675.

More About Felipe Gutiérrez Coronado Navarro and Francisca Glez de
Hermosillo Renteria:

Marriage: Aprox. 1693, Jalostotitlán, Jal.

Children of Felipe Gutiérrez Coronado Navarro and Francisca Glez de
Hermosillo Renteria are:

i. Felipe3 Gutiérrez Coronado Glez Hermosillo, b. Aprox. 1694,
Jalostotitlán, Jal..

ii. Melchor Gutiérrez Coronado Glez Hermosillo, b. Aprox. 1696,
Jalostotitlán, Jal.; d. 24 Oct 1747.

iii. Miguel Gutiérrez Coronado Glez Hermosillo, b. Aprox. 1697,
Jalostotitlán, Jal.; d. 03 Sep 1766.

iv. Antonio Gutiérrez Coronado Glez Hermosillo, b. Aprox. 1702,
Jalostotitlán, Jal..

v. Tomás-Joaqu Gutiérrez Coronado Glez Hermosillo, b. Aprox. 1707,
Jalostotitlán, Jal.; d. 08 Oct 1747.

vi. Juan-Fco Gutiérrez Coronado Glez Hermosillo, b. Aprox. 1714,
Jalostotitlán, Jal..

6. vii. José-Bonifa Gutiérrez Coronado Glez Hermosillo.

*

4.
*Jóse2 Gutiérrez Coronado Navarro (Juan1 Gutiérrez Coronado) was born Aprox.
1670. He married Mariana Hermosillo Camarena Aprox. 1695 in Jalostotitlan,
Jalisco, Mexico, daughter of Miguel González de Hermosillo and María
Camarena. She was born Aprox. 1674 in Jalostotitlán, Jal., and died 10 Ago
1716.

More About Jóse Gutiérrez Coronado Navarro and Mariana Hermosillo Camarena:

Marriage: Aprox. 1695, Jalostotitlan, Jalisco, Mexico

Children of Jóse Gutiérrez Coronado Navarro and Mariana Hermosillo Camarena
are:

i. María3 Gutiérrez Coronado Hermosillo, b. Aprox. 1696, Jalostotitlán,
Jal.; d. 01 Jun 1763; m. Luis-Antonio Casillas Cabrera de Rodas, 12 Nov
1715, Ntra. Sra. Asunción, Jalostotitlán, Jal.; b. Aprox. 1685,
Jalostotitlán, Jal..

More About Luis-Antonio Casillas Cabrera de Rodas and María Gutiérrez
Coronado Hermosillo:

Marriage: 12 Nov 1715, Ntra. Sra. Asunción, Jalostotitlán, Jal.
*

ii. Miguel Gutiérrez Coronado Hermosillo, b. Aprox. 1698, Jalostotitlán,
Jal.; d. 17 Feb 1759; m. Teresa Glez de Hermosillo Lomelín, 22 Ene 1731,
Ntra. Sra. Asunción, Jalostotitlán, Jal.; b. Unknown; d. 02 Dic 1731.

More About Miguel Gutiérrez Coronado Hermosillo and Teresa Glez de
Hermosillo Lomelín:

Marriage: 22 Ene 1731, Ntra. Sra. Asunción, Jalostotitlán, Jal.
**

iii. Ana Gutiérrez Coronado Hermosillo, b. Aprox. 1702, Jalostotitlán, Jal..
*

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Generation No. 3
*

*

5.
*Juana3 Gutiérrez Coronado de la Mora (Juan2 Gutiérrez Coronado Navarro,
Juan1 Gutiérrez Coronado) was born Aprox. 1674 in Ocotlán, Jal.. She married
Geronimo Glez de Hermosillo Renteria Aprox. 1694 in Ocotlán, Jal., son of
Melchor González de Hermosillo and Francisca Renteria Mojica. He was born
Aprox. 1669 in Jalostotitlán, Jal..

More About Geronimo Glez de Hermosillo Renteria and Juana Gutiérrez Coronado
de la Mora:

Marriage: Aprox. 1694, Ocotlán, Jal.

Child of Juana Gutiérrez Coronado de la Mora and Geronimo Glez de Hermosillo
Renteria is:

i. Geronimo4 Glez de Hermosillo Gtz Coronado, m. Ana-Gertrudis Lozano
Enríquez, 29 Nov 1722, Ntra. Sra. Asunción, Jalostotitlán, Jal.; b. Mar
1702, Jalostotitlán, Jal..

More About Ana-Gertrudis Lozano Enríquez:

Baptism: 22 Mar 1702, Ntra. Sra. Asunción, Jalostotitlán, Jal.

More About Geronimo Glez de Hermosillo Gtz Coronado and Ana-Gertrudis Lozano
Enríquez:

Marriage: 29 Nov 1722, Ntra. Sra. Asunción, Jalostotitlán, Jal.

*

6.
*José-Bonifa3 Gutiérrez Coronado Glez Hermosillo (Felipe2 Gutiérrez Coronado
Navarro, Juan1 Gutiérrez Coronado) He married Ana González 01 Jul 1748 in
Ntra. Sra. Asunción, Jalostotitlán, Jal..

More About José-Bonifa Gutiérrez Coronado Glez Hermosillo and Ana González:

Marriage: 01 Jul 1748, Ntra. Sra. Asunción, Jalostotitlán, Jal.

Child of José-Bonifa Gutiérrez Coronado Glez Hermosillo and Ana González is:

7. i. Prudencio4 Gutiérrez Coronado.

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Generation No. 4
*

*

7.
*Prudencio4 Gutiérrez Coronado (José-Bonifa3 Gutiérrez Coronado Glez
Hermosillo, Felipe2 Gutiérrez Coronado Navarro, Juan1 Gutiérrez Coronado) He
married Ma-Dolores Hermosillo 11 May 1785 in Ntra. Sra. Asunción,
Jalostotitlán, Jal., daughter of Cristobal Hermosillo Padilla and Josefa
Alvarez Tostado Ramírez Hermosillo.

More About Prudencio Gutiérrez Coronado and Ma-Dolores Hermosillo:

Marriage: 11 May 1785, Ntra. Sra. Asunción, Jalostotitlán, Jal.

Child of Prudencio Gutiérrez Coronado and Ma-Dolores Hermosillo is:

8. i. Severiana5 Gutiérrez Hermosillo.

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Generation No. 5
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*

8.
*Severiana5 Gutiérrez Hermosillo (Prudencio4 Gutiérrez Coronado, José-Bonifa
3 Gutiérrez Coronado Glez Hermosillo, Felipe2 Gutiérrez Coronado Navarro,
Juan 1 Gutiérrez Coronado) She married José-Agustin Martín del Campo Pérez
07 Ene 1812 in Tepatitlán, Jal., son of José-Antonio-Boni Martín del Campo
de la Torre and Ma-Antonia Pérez de Paredes Ochoa. He was born Dic 1787 in
Tepatitlán, Jal..

More About José-Agustin Martín del Campo Pérez:

Baptism: 12 Dic 1787, Tepatitlán, Jal.

More About José-Agustin Martín del Campo Pérez and Severiana Gutiérrez
Hermosillo:

Marriage: 07 Ene 1812, Tepatitlán, Jal.

Children of Severiana Gutiérrez Hermosillo and José-Agustin Martín del Campo
Pérez are:

i. Ma-Cecilia6 Martín del Campo Gutiérrez, b. 22 Nov 1817.

More About Ma-Cecilia Martín del Campo Gutiérrez:

Baptism: 29 Nov 1817, Sagrario Metropolitano, Guadalajara, Jal.
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ii. Ma-Anacleta Martín del Campo Gutiérrez, b. Jul 1822, Tepatitlán, Jal..

More About Ma-Anacleta Martín del Campo Gutiérrez:

Baptism: 22 Jul 1822, Tepatitlán, Jal.
**

Descendants of Rosalia Gutiérrez Coronado
*

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Generation No. 1
*

*

1.
*ROSALIA1 GUTIÉRREZ CORONADO died Bef. Jun 1792. She married JOAQUIN GONZÁLEZ
DE HERMOSILLO. He died Aft. Jun 1792.

Children of R
OSALIA GUTIÉRREZ C ORONADO and JOAQUIN G ONZÁLEZ DE HERMOSILLO are:

i. M
A-DE-SN-L UCAS2 GONZÁLEZ DE HERMOSILLO GUTIÉRRE, b. La Laja, Jalos, Jal.; m.
JUAN- MARÍA GÓMEZ HM, 16 Jun 1792, Tepatitlán de Morelos, Jal.Méx.; b. Agua
Blanca, Tepa, Jal..

Marriage Notes for M
A-DE-SN-L UCAS GONZÁLEZ DE H ERMOSILLO GUTIÉRRE and JUAN- MARÍA GÓMEZ HM:

Tepa.M8519.

Esta Fe se encuentra en el Vol# 05 de Matrimonios a Fojas# 82 Fte. y dice
asi:

Fue vista el Mie-10-Ene-2001.

Al Margen dice: =-510- -Aguablanca- -D.n Juan Maria- -Gomes Hurtado- -de
Mendoza- -con-

-D.a Maria de S.n- -Lucas Gonz.s de- -Hermosillo Esp.s-=

En Tepa, el 16-Jun-1792, Yo el B.r d.n Dalvador Sandoval.....a D.n Juan
Maria Gomes, Esp.l

Natural, y Vec.o de esta Felig.a en la Agua Blanca, Viudo de D.a
M.aGertrudis Romero mas-

de tres anos cuyo cuerpo esta Sepultado en esta Parroquia, con D.a M.a de
S.n Lucas Gonz.s

de Hermosillo Esp.la Natural de la Laja Felig.a de
Xalostotit.n, y desde nina Vec.a de ---

esta Felig.a en la Lavor Nueva, hija legma. de D.n Juachin Gonz.s de
Hermosillo, y de D.a-

Rosalia Gutierres Coronado, difunta: Haviendose.......fueron Pad.s D.n Jose
Manuel Gomes,y

D.a Maria Gomes: siendo testigos D.n Juan Pena, D.n Ant.o Rafael Albares, y
Thomas Cordero

Sacristan.

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ii. M
A-FELIPA-R AFA GONZÁLEZ DE HERMOSILLO GUTIÉRRE, b. La Laja, Jalos, Jal.; m.
IGNACIO DE LA TORRE I BARRA, 16 Jun 1792, Tepatitlán de Morelos, Jal.Méx.;
b. Cacastitan, Tepa, Jal..

Marriage Notes for M
A-FELIPA-R AFA GONZÁLEZ DE H ERMOSILLO GUTIÉRRE and IGNACIO DE LA TORRE IBARRA:

Tepa.M8519.95 = Matrimonio de Ygnacio de la Torre con Maria Felipa Rafaela
Gonzales de Hermosillo

el 16-Jun-1792.

Tepa.M8519.

Esta Fe se encuentra en el Vol# 05 de Matrimonios a Fojas# 82 Fte. y dice
asi:

Fue vista el Mie-10-Ene-2001.

Al Margen dice: =-511- -Lavor Nueva- -D.n Ygnacio de la Tor- -re Espanol-
-con-

-D.a M.a Felipa Rafa- -ela Gonz.s de Her- -mosillo-=

En Tepa, el 16-Jun-1792, Yo el B.r D.n Salvador Sandoval.......a D.n Ygnacio
de la Torre, Esp.l

Orig.o y Vec.o de esta Felig.a en Cacastitan, hijo legmo. de D.n Juan Jose
de la Torre, y de --

D.a M.a Ybarra, con D.a M.a Felipa Rafaela Gonz.s de Hermosillo,
Esp.la
Orig.a de la Laja -----

Felig.a de Xalostot.n y Vec.a de esta Siete anos ha, en la Lavor nueva, hija
legma. de D.n ----

Juachin Gonz.s de Hermosillo, y de D.a Rosalia Gutierres, Dif.ta,
Haviendose.......fueron Pad.s

D.n Jose Manuel de la Torre, y D.a M.a Manuela Gomes, siendo testigos
D.nJuan Pena,
D.n Ant.o-

de la Mora, y Thomas Cordero Sacristan.

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Descendants of Manuel-Antonio GUTIERREZ-CORONADO
*

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Generation No. 1
*

*

1.
*MANUEL-ANTONIO1 GUTIERREZ-CORONADO was born Unknown in Probablemente:
Jalisco, Mexico., and died Dead in Probablemente: Jalisco, Mexico.. He
married M ARGARITA CORTES Unknown in Probablemente: Jalisco, Mexico.. She
was born Unknown in Probablemente: Jalisco, Mexico., and died Dead in
Probablemente: Jalisco, Mexico..

Child of M
ANUEL-ANTONIO GUTIERREZ -CORONADO and MARGARITA CORTES is:

i. J
OSE-ANTONIO2 GUTIERREZ-CORONADO-CORTES, b. Unknown, Probablemente: Jalisco,
Mexico.; d. Dead, Probablemente: Jalisco, Mexico.; m. M ARIA NAVARRO-VELASCO,
20 May 1789, Tepatitlan de Morelos, Jalisco, MEXICO; b. Unknown,
Probablemente: Jalisco, Mexico.; d. Dead, Probablemente: Jalisco, Mexico..

Marriage Notes for J
OSE-ANTONIO GUTIERREZ -CORONADO-CORTES and M ARIA NAVARRO-VELASCO:

Tepa.M8519.61 = Matrimonio de Maria Navarro con Jose Antonio Gutierres
Coronado el 20-May-1789.

Tepa.M8519.

Esta Fe se encuentra en el Vol# 05 de Matrimonios a Fojas# 37 Fte. y dice
asi:

Fue vista el Lun-12-Jun-2000 .

Acta# 1299, en Tepa, el 20-May-1789, a D.n Jose Antonio Gutierres Coronado,
Esp.l Orig.o y Vec.o

de esta Felig.a en Sta. Ros, hijo legmo. de D.n Manuel Ant.o Gutierres
Coronado, y de D.a ------

Margarita Cortes, con D.a Maria Navarro, Esp.la Orig.a , y
Vec.a de esta Felig.a e las Ormig.s -

hija legma. de D.n Juachin Navarro, def.to y de D.a Petra Velasco:
Haviendose...................

fueron Padrinos D.n Jasinto de la Torre, y D.a M.a Ant.a Anaya: siendo
testig.s D.n Jose Ant.o -

Pena, Nicolas Becerra, y Thomas Cordero Sacristan.

I wrongly submited a film for Atemajac De Brizuela, please erase from the list, the number is 0279529, I already summited it in the place it belongs which is Arandas, Jalisco.

[Can someone Translate this for me?]

Right now the group is hovering around 160 members. . .but I predict
(please group members make me a false prophet). . .I predict that on the
32nd of January 2007 there will be 35% fewer members in the group. .
.WHY??? Because 35% of the new members will fail to do one of three things:

1) Understand that when they agreed to send in a representative tree
showing their connection to our area of research that I completely meant
they needed to do this within a reasonable time (i.e. 31 January 2007)
or be removed from the group.

2) They failed to communicate with me (makas(remove)@nc.rr.com or
moderator(remove)@nuestrosranchos.org) making a reasonable request for
additional time.

3) Send in their Genealogy Report.

Now I just want to take a second to say that the Nuestros Ranchos group
DOES NOT want your life's genealogical work sent in. Nor do we require
you to send in your gedcom (though several have and this is becoming a
popular way of meeting the requirement). All that is required is a
"REPRESENTATIVE" tree preferably in "genealogy report" form in either
.doc or .rtf format showing your connection to Jalisco, Zacatecas,
and/or Aguascalientes. This representative tree can be written into a
Word document or just into an email. It doesn't have to be fancy and can
be as simple as just listing your grandparents and great grandparents
along with their places and times of birth. . .heck while you're at it
toss in a few of their children and siblings just to flesh it out a bit.
That will take you all of 20-30 minutes to compose if you are a
"serious" researcher, but if you are not, well you might have trouble
and might need to strive toward becoming one by getting more involved.

If you are a new researcher and are in the process of finding
information all you need to do is send me an email and ask for an
extension. Believe me my bark is very much worse than my bite.

Another Note: When you send in your Genealogy Report make absolutely
sure that you "DO NOT INCLUDE LIVING RELATIVES" in the report!!! Very
important for security and privacy sake!!!

If you want to complete the whole process yourself (RECOMMENDED) then go
to the "Files" and then to "Members Genealogies" and see the "WRITTEN IN
STONE" format for the way your folder should look: Your Name (places of
your Nuestros Ranchos research) - PLEASE FOLLOW THIS FORMAT or I'll go
in later and change it. After you see the correct format then go to the
home page or any page of the site and click on "create content" and then
click on "File Folder."

If you have any questions about how to do this ASK!

sincerely and seriously getting down to business,

joseph - moderator

ps: If anyone out there would like to make a translated copy of this
please email me.

pps: i'll be sending out this reminder in September, October, November,
December, and finally one last time at the beginning of 2007. Probably
around the 24th of November I'll start sharpening my Ax.

[Can someone Translate this for me?]

Right now the group is hovering around 160 members. . .but I predict
(please group members make me a false prophet). . .I predict that on the
32nd of January 2007 there will be 35% fewer members in the group. .
.WHY??? Because 35% of the new members will fail to do one of three things:

1) Understand that when they agreed to send in a representative tree
showing their connection to our area of research that I completely meant
they needed to do this within a reasonable time (i.e. 31 January 2007)
or be removed from the group.

2) They failed to communicate with me (makas(remove)@nc.rr.com or
moderator(remove)@nuestrosranchos.org) making a reasonable request for
additional time.

3) Send in their Genealogy Report.

Now I just want to take a second to say that the Nuestros Ranchos group
DOES NOT want your life's genealogical work sent in. Nor do we require
you to send in your gedcom (though several have and this is becoming a
popular way of meeting the requirement). All that is required is a
"REPRESENTATIVE" tree preferably in "genealogy report" form in either
.doc or .rtf format showing your connection to Jalisco, Zacatecas,
and/or Aguascalientes. This representative tree can be written into a
Word document or just into an email. It doesn't have to be fancy and can
be as simple as just listing your grandparents and great grandparents
along with their places and times of birth. . .heck while you're at it
toss in a few of their children and siblings just to flesh it out a bit.
That will take you all of 20-30 minutes to compose if you are a
"serious" researcher, but if you are not, well you might have trouble
and might need to strive toward becoming one by getting more involved.

If you are a new researcher and are in the process of finding
information all you need to do is send me an email and ask for an
extension. Believe me my bark is very much worse than my bite.

Another Note: When you send in your Genealogy Report make absolutely
sure that you "DO NOT INCLUDE LIVING RELATIVES" in the report!!! Very
important for security and privacy sake!!!

If you want to complete the whole process yourself (RECOMMENDED) then go
to the "Files" and then to "Members Genealogies" and see the "WRITTEN IN
STONE" format for the way your folder should look: Your Name (places of
your Nuestros Ranchos research) - PLEASE FOLLOW THIS FORMAT or I'll go
in later and change it. After you see the correct format then go to the
home page or any page of the site and click on "create content" and then
click on "File Folder."

If you have any questions about how to do this ASK!

sincerely and seriously getting down to business,

joseph - moderator

ps: If anyone out there would like to make a translated copy of this
please email me.

pps: i'll be sending out this reminder in September, October, November,
December, and finally one last time at the beginning of 2007. Probably
around the 24th of November I'll start sharpening my Ax.

Disculpen, solo es una pequeña parte de la Genealogia de
los Gutierrez de Mendoza, sobre los que llegaron a vivir primero
a Pegueros, esta en el Boletin no. 1 del Grupo, al final,
creo que en la penultima hoja, esta en formato PDF.

Saludos desde Guadalajara:

Tomas Alejandro Villegas Gomez

2006/9/18, eddy gutierrez hermosillo :
>
> SALUDOS TOMAS OYE DONDE ES DONDE MENCIONA GENEALOGIA DE GUTIERREZ DE
> MENDOZA EN LA PAGINA QUE MENCIONAS? , ESTUBE BUSCADO Y NO LO ENCONTRE
>
>
>
> *Atte:* *Eddy Gtz. H.*
>
>

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Saludos desde Guadalajara:

Tomas Alejandro Villegas Gomez

----- Original Message ----
From: enrique legaspi
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 12:45:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Distances: Teocaltiche, Nochistlan, Mexticacan & Aguascalientes

The towns are almost a stone's throw from each other. Today, driving time is 10-15 minutes. As a kid I rode a bicyle and it took me 1 hour to 1 1/2 hour. The same goes for Mexticacan, but in the opposite direction from Teocaltiche. (including La Estancia).

Muchas Gracias Enrique,

I will keep this in mind for our Dream Trip to the Los Altos region next year.

Enrique, maybe you can also give us some tips on where to go for our dream trip to study and learn about the histrory of the region. We would also like to play and have some fun, a little Mariachi night music will help us to unite with our ancestral spirits.

Jose Muños of northern Calif has agreed to do some research on places to visit on our 7-10 day dream trip. Anyone who is interested in going, now is your chance to give some input to him as to places of interest to each of you.

I think we definitely should include Guadalajara and Aguascalientes. And of course I would like to go to my ancestral town of Nochistlan. Enrique, does Nochistlan have a town historian who could give us a historical tour, taking into consideration that this was the first and original Guadalajara?

Ok, this is what I propose, we fly into Guadalajara have a carro de sitio ready or tour bus depending on how many people will be coming. We can then drive to Yahualica and spend the night there as they have adequate hotels. Next day onto Mexticacan then to Nochistlan. If we can get a historian for a tour then we can have lunch or dinner in Nochistlan at my cousin's family restaurant el pollo loco which is very good, maybe with a little Mariachi. From Nochistlan onto Teocaltiche where we can spend the night. Does anyone know what we can do as in places of interest in Teocaltiche?

After Teocaltiche we can drive to Aguascalientes where there is much to see and do. I would like to look for Rincon de Romos, Los Cuervos and San Jose de Gracia. If you can make other suggestions for Aguas, speak up now. We can spend the day and night in Aguascalientes.

From Aguas, we decide if we want to go north to Zacatecas, Zacatecas the state capital or if we want to go southeast or northeast as in Totatiche, Tepechitlan, Colotlan, Momax, Jalpa, Jerez, Fresnillo etc. It's our dream trip so we can make it anything we want, of course within reason. Speak up now if you're interested and give Jose Muños your input so we can help him with our needs and wants for this fabulous trip.

Our last place to stay, visit, study and play should be Guadalajara for at least 1 day if not more.

Para los que viven en Guadalajara y sus alrededores, quizas nos pueden orientar hacia puntos de interes historico y tambien nos pueden acompañar en nuestra jornada por la region. Los que vamos de afuera no estamos al tanto del ambiente local o los lugares de interes genealogico. Se les agredeceria su ayuda con sugerencias para este viaje que se llevara acabo el 2007, lo mas probable seria en los meses de Julio o Agosto cuando hay mas oportunidad de tomar vacacion.

Atentamente;
Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo
San Jose, Calif

Today the drive to Aguascalientes from Nochistlan is 1 hour. Starting in Nochistlan, the road to "Aguas" as the locals call it, will take you past La Estancia, Apulco, through Teocaltiche, past the fork in the road to Jalostotitlan and Lagos de Moreno and finally Aguascalientes.

Hola a Todos:

Para los interesados en la Genealogia de los Altos de Jalisco:

Acabo de encontrar esta pagina de Pegueros, Jalisco,
en la seccion de boletines mensuales trae genealogia sobre
todo de los Gutiérrez de Mendoza que conformaron en gran
medida esta Poblacion que pertenece a Tepatitlán de Morelos
Jalisco, trae el indice de las revistas que publican, donde
estoy seguro trae mas genealogia, lastima que solo publiquen
el inmdice de articulos, deberian tambien poner las revistas
en pdf, seria grandioso.

El link es el siguiente:

http://www.clubpegueros.com

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Saludos desde Guadalajara:

Tomas Alejandro Villegas Gomez

I wanted to thank-you, Joseph for helping me get my messages into digest
mode. It was really easy with your directions. Thanks!

Corrine

A majority of eastern jews are type J2. A J2 classification suggested my husband is of Jewish heritage.
--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from Alicia Carrillo : --------------

> Esther,
>
> Can you please tell this dummy what it means to be classified as J2 in your DNA?
>
> Thanks,
> Alicia in San Jose, Ca
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: eaherold@att.net
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 2:13:57 AM
> Subject: Re: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Genealog

Now that everyone has read the "official" itinerary that I received today
from Ms. Karen Jepson, I want to emphasize that the seminars on both days
are completely free.........and that George Ryskamp will present the seminar
on Friday as well as Saturday. His wife, Peggy Ryskamp, will give a seminar
on Saturday. They will also present a seminar together on Saturday on the
Genealogy of Spain. All the topics sound very interesting...........now I
need to figure out how I can clone myself so I can attend each and every
presentation~! :-)

Josie in San Antonio

Hi, Everyone:

I seem to be having trouble posting messages. They keep getting returned as
Undeliverable, but I will keep trying.

Anyways, I read some of the old messages and found another that is very
informative. I have been putting together a family cookbook in order to
preserve traditional recipes. Thanks be to God, my mom had her mother's
capirotada recipe and I was blown away by the ingredients, tomatos, cheese
and such. Now, since I've read that these are some of the ingredients used
for a lenten dish, I am not so dismayed. My mother said that her mother
made it for Lent and it was a family favorite handed down. My grandmother
was called "La Tapatia" and my mother, since she was born in Guadalajara,
was also called that by her aunts, which made her feel very special.

Corrine Ardoin

Soy Roberto Rojas nieto de Maria Teresa Villalobos Sandoval en linea paterna. Mi abuela estaba avecinada en la ciudad de Lagos de Moreno Jalisco, pero al casarse, cambio de lugar de residencia. Mi bisabuela caso en segundas nupcias con alguien de nombre anastacio Huerta. Al morir joven mi abuela se perdio en gran medida informacion concerniente a la familia Villalobos. De la cual posteriormente me entere hay información escrita en un lugar llamado mesa de los Villalobos. La razon del cambio de residencia se debió al oficio comun de aquellos días de los varones (la mineria ). Estoy interesado en profundizar más acerca de las familia Villalobos y comparto está información con la finalidad de que le sea de utilidad a algun miembro de Nuestros Ranchos

Alicia,

I think you asked what "J2" means. I found the description in Gary Felix' website" http://members.tripod.com/~GaryFelix/index63.htm

The description reads: "Semitic origin. Mostly found in the Middle East, Mediterranean and North Africa. About 28% of Sephardic Jews have this origin".

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA --

http://lomexicano.com/mexicanfoodrecipeglossary.htm#r

While I was using the glossary in the link above, I saw a recipe for Enchiladas Zacatecanas. They are made with shredded pork and a sauce made with roasted green chiles and cream, and they are served topped with cooked shredded carrots and shredded potatoes and cheese, and slices of avocado. Scroll down until you see "Zacatecanas".

I am anxious to try these, since I cannot eat the green enchiladas with that green sauce made with tomatillos. Those are too highly acidic, and I suffer from acid reflux disease. The cream would also further smooth out the acid from the green chiles.

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---

I love to try new recipes, especially for the holidays, and I am seldom daunted by the complexity of some. However, I am kind of stumped by the recipe Joseph put up in the files, but I want to try it. It sounds so fancy, what with the meringue topping, and I love desserts with nuts. (By the way, the recipe lists "dos huevos", but in the directions, they only used the whites to make a meringue).

Alicia, maybe you can help me. I was able to translate most of the ingredients using my Spanish-English dictionary, but some things were not listed there, or I don't know where to obtain some ingredients.

Grajeas -- "small sugar plums". Where would I get these? When I lived in Santa Clara Valley, we had sugar plum trees in the yard, dark with yellow flesh, the kind they make prunes from, I guess. Could I substitute dried prunes?

Biznagas ---"candied cactus". Do most Mexican import stores have this?

Molde refractario -- "refractory". Does this simply mean "heat-resistant"?

Batir las claras a punto de turron --- "beat the whites to the point of nougat consistency". Does this just mean to beat the egg whites until they are stiff?

My mother made a capirotada very similar to this; however, she didn't use the peanuts, meringue, candied cactus, grated coconut or sugar plums.

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA --