Genealogía " Reyes"

Estimado Joseph Puentes:
Te envío mi investigación genealógica. Se trata de un resúmen, pues tengo
más información de las principales líneas que se integran en las diversas
generaciones. No me he limitado a las cuestiones puramente familiares, sino
que he recuperado el contexto de sus vidas en ranchos, estancias y
haciendas. Actualmente investigo los apellidos Romo de Vivar; González de
Hermosillo; Díaz de León; Muñóz de la Barba y Beltrán de la Cueva, que
sonfamilias puramente españolas. Sin embargo, en la línea Ojeda-Palomino y
Candelas-Palacios, encontré diversos ancestros en calidades de castas:
"moriscos", "mulatos", "saltapatrás" y "lobos", todos siendo esclavos hasta
1821, en la servidumbre de la hacienda de "Trancoso", Zacatecas pero
procedentes, ¡que interesante!, de ancestros en el Africa Occidental.
Saludos
P.D. Te pido una disculpa por la demora, pues ha sido por razones de
trabajo.

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Archives of the Indies

If you’re interested in the Archives of the Indies I want to recommend an excellent book:

Discovering the Americas: Archives of the Indies.

It’s a recent over-sized volume and gives a great overview of the archive itself and its contents, including pictures of original documents, sketches and drawings and actual samples of materials sent from New Spain and other territories, including samples of silk and other fabrics that look brand new, rather than five hundred years old.

I regret that I never made it to the Archives of the Indies in Seville.

I was a royal scholar at the Instituto de Cooperacion Iberoamericano in the Moncloa in Madrid during the summer of 1986, and enjoyed a wealth of acculturation. Every Friday our art professor took us to the nearby Prado Museum where we spent an entire morning experiencing hundreds of masterpieces.

We went on field trips to Toledo where we visited El Transito Synagogue and many other places of interest.

I also got to go to El Escorial. And the Zarzuela Palace in Madrid. And a magnificent Egyptian Temple relocated piece by piece from Egypt ahead of the rising waters of the Aswan High Dam.

But not the Archives of the Indies:(

Even when my sister and I visited Seville for Expo ’92, we somehow missed the archives.

Onate-Santelices Genealogy

Good Evening to All, Just wanted to let everyone know how much I appreciate Joseph's kindness and patience in helping this novice with the uploading of my folder and file. I continue my research on my Onate and Santelices genealogy in Panuco, Vetagrande, Villa Garcia, and Zacatecas, Zacatecas; Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes; and Guadalajara, Jalisco. Wish me luck, and thanks so much. Alice B.Blake

Archives of the Indies (Archivo General de las Indias)

Esther:

In response to your question for Joseph, the index of the AGI or Archives of the Indies is digitized along with those of the major Spanish archives in a website run by the Ministry of Culture in Spain.

The website is called Archivos Españoles en Red (AER) and the link is available in the LINKS section of the Nuestros Ranchos site.

http://aer.mcu.es/sgae/

As far as using it, you have to sign up for an account and searching is a bit of a crapshoot I have found because many of the search criteria do not work.

As far as searching passenger records, the best bet is to do a general search, use two fields and put the name in one and the work "pasajero" in the other. If the last name is uncommon, just the last name is best but if it is a common name, you will have to try different permutations of the whole name in quotes, i.e. "Jose Godoy", "Jose de Godoy", "Joseph de Godoi", etc.

There are some guides to using AER:

http://www.genealogica.net/aer.html

http://www.cubagenweb.org/ships/e-index.htm

Passenger Lists/Martin Del Campo, Cabral, Figueroa/ Zacatecas, Jalisco

Hi,

I have a research question about the following information. I wanted to
know if anyone knows whether this is true or not. "Mexican customs and
passenger lists do not begin until 1903, except for documents relating to
the expulsion of Spaniards during the period 1820-1850." Also, "all persons
traveling to New Spain had to be cleared by the Casa de la Contratacion in
Seville."

The reason I am looking into passenger lists at this time is because I am
also researching my Cabral/Figueroa line, which almost immediately takes me
to their point of immigration. My great-grandfather Alberto Martin Del
Campo married a woman named Francisca Cabral Gonzalez, a first-generation
born Mexican, whose mother and father immigrated to Mexico, Pioquinta
Gonzalez Figueroa of nobility from Madrid, Spain and Benigno Cabral, a
merchant sailor from Portugal. They eloped, sailing out of Seville,
possibly the 1850's, and got married in Zacatecas against Pioquinta's family
wishes. So, if the customs and passenger lists did not begin until 1903,
does this mean I won't find a record of their immigration?

BTW, someone placed on the IGI two people with these same names as having
been born in Guadalajara, Benigno Cabral and Pioquinta Gonzalez. If they
are the same people as my ancestors, then I think they're wrong, because
they were not born in Mexico. They didn't cite their source for that
information, however.

Corrine Ardoin

Martin Del Campo Research

Hi,

I have been researching the Martin Del Campo name on the Family Search IGI
and found a couple that may be connected to my family line. It appears
someone has been doing microfilm research on the family, because there is a
lot from the same source, the Nuestra Senora De Guadalupe Church in
Guadalajara, Jalisco. The furthest back I have in my family history is a
Tomas Martin Del Campo who married Nieves Munoz Aviles and that they resided
in Guadalajara. Their son's marriage record spells the names just this way
as I have. The IGI record shows a marriage between a Tomas Martin Del Campo
and a Maria De Las Nieves Munes, which makes me wonder if these are the same
people. I plan to look into this for myself because, if it is them, then I
have found their parents, as well, which will take me one more generation
back in my ancestry. Their parents names given are Alejandro Martin Del
Campo and Tomasa Romero (Tomas's parents) and Jose Ynes Munes and Ysidra
Alcala (Maria de las Nieves' parents). Tomas and Maria de las Nieves were
married on August 31, 1850, according to this record. My Tomas and Nieves,
based on their son's age at his marriage, I guessed would have been married
about 1850-51, so it may be the same people. Still, I have to check on
that. I have made mistakes before, so eager for someone to be the one I'm
looking for!

Another Martin Del Campo tidbit: The name "Martin" means "warlike." Mar is
from the Greek word for war (Mars being the God of War). Del Campo means
"of the fields" or "of the countryside." So, they were the Martins Of The
Fields or Countryside. Looking at Steven Hernandez' information that the
Martin Del Campos he researched came from Revilla de Campos. I looked on
the map and the Campos River runs through there. I wonder which came first,
the people and towns named for the river or the river named for the people
and towns?

Take care,
Corrine Ardoin

Guadalajara pronunciation

Hi, Everyone:

I was again catching up with old archival messages. Almost there. Anyways,
I came across a discussion on the pronunciation of Guadalajara. I, too,
found out it was named after Guadalajara, Spain, an Arabic name. The part
of the name, "al," means "the" in Arabic. Like in "Alhambra," in the Los
Angeles area.

Corrine Ardoin

6301 POR QUE DEJARON DE IMPORTAR LOS ANCESTROS

Genealogia.org.mx] 6301 Re: POR QUE DEJARON DE IMPORTAR LOS ANCESTROS

Hola a Todos:

Saludos desde La Perla de Ocidente, mi bella Guadalajara:

Muy interesante todo lo que dicen con respecto a como se
simplificaron
los apellidos y el desinteres por la Genealogia o Historia Familiar.
Yo por mi parte opino lo siguiente, todo lo anterior como casi todo
en la sociedad
se debe a cuestiones Politicas, Religiosas y Economicas.
Yo creo que una razon por la que se acortaron l,os apellidos
compuestos
si fue el aspecto politico social y sobre todo el practico, primero, si tubo
que ver
la cuestion social de la Independencia y el llamado a la igualdad social, yo
sabia
que en efecto, despues de la guerra de Independencia, se giro un decreto en
el sentido
de que se debian suprimir las Castas o Diferiencias de Clases, es decir, se
ordeno
que se suprimiera de todo documento oficial, las distinciones y castas, y
que se
debia llamarcon igualdad a todos los hombres y mujeres "Ciudadanos" y muchos
de
los que aqui escriben, en sus investigaciones debieron notarlo, se elimino
de las
fés de bautismo y matrimonio, los "Don", o "Doña" , lo de Mestizo, Indio, o
Español y
simplemente se antepuso el "Ciudadano" o "Ciudadana" y seguramente segun
comenta
una persona aqui mismo, tambien por decreto se quito lo de "de" y "de la"
antes de
los apellidos.
Con respecto al desinteres en la actualidad sobre la genealogia o
historia familiar
tambien creo tiene origen en el cambio social dado en la Independencia de
Mexico,
como en toda guerra la historia y las reglas la hacen los vencedores, y todo
lo que
"olia" a los vencidos, se repudiaba y se perseguia, o se enterraba, asi que
la forma
de pensar y actuar de las personas antes de la independencia, se trato de
eliminar
despues de la misma, asi tenemos que antes de la independencia, las personas
pensaban que una de sus grandes herencias era la historia familiar, la
hidalgia o
la nobleza, asi que era muy importante transmitir esta herencia de padres a
hijos,
asi que se fomentaba mucho, aunque sea de forma verbal, el conocimiento de
la
historia familiar, asi era el pensamiento hasta antes de la Independencia,
asi que
despues de la INdependencia, este pensamiento se repudio y se persigio y fue

tabu, "olia" a "maldito Español" o "Gachupin", por eso, para honrar la lucha
de
independencia, toda la forma de pensar y de actuar de "antes" se olvido, y
parte de
este "olivido" fue la tradicion de heredar o darle importancia a la
Genealogia o
Historia Familiar.
Además por cuestion demografica tambien esto ocurrio, ya que la
poblacion
crece y crece exponencialmente y cada vez es mas dificil, atender las
necesidades
de tan creciente poblacion, es por eso que a los encargados de dar servicios
religiosos
o civiles, con el crecimiiento de la poblacion les es mas dificil atender en
lo particular
a cada individuo y se trata de simplificar todo, asi que por razones
demograficas, en
particular a los encargados de "escribir" las actas ya sea religiosas o
civiles, cada vez
se les hace mas dificil, "profundizar" en datos de cadsa individuo, asi que
con la carga
de trabajo, tratan siempre de hacerse la vida mas facil y simplificar al
maximo su
actividad, es por eso tambien que se suprimen de las actas todo lo
anteriormente
dicho, las castas, los titulos, y los apellidos compuestos, incluidos el
"de" y el
"de la", y este BUM Demografico aunado a "loqueras" o "caprichos" politicos
o
administrativos, muchas veces va en deterioro de lo establecido, valga esto
para
comentar, que YO NO ESTOY DE ACUERDO, con lo que actualmente hacen los
oficiales del registro civil, que con su afan de simplificar, ahora, ya no
ponren en
las actas de Nacimiento o bautismo, el origen y vecindad de los
protagonistas de
las actas, asi antes en las actas se ponia "Fulano De Tal, originario de tal
lugar y
residente o vecino de tal lugar", ahora SIMPLEMENTE se pone "Mexicano" o de
"Nacionalidad Mexicana", por eso exhorto a los miembros de este grupo
Genealogico
y de otros Grupos Genealogicos o Investigadores, que dirijamos una carta
firmada por
todos nosotros al Presidente de la Republica, pidiendo en nombre de
presentes y
futuros investigadores que se vuelva al sistema anterior de poner el lugar
de origen
y procedencia de las personas involucradas en el acto civil o religioso, y
que se trate
de poner mas datos en vez de suprimirlos, asi seria fabuloso para los
futuros
investigadores, que en estas actas por Decreto de Ley, deban incluirse
ademas,
minimo 2 generaciones de ancestros, es decir padres y abuelos, con la
totalidad de
sus datos, origen y vencindad de cada uno, edades y si se puede no solo que
mencionen su edad, sino se fecha exacta de nacimiento, y ahora con el
estableci-
miento del CURP (Clave Unica de Registro de Poblacion), seria fabuloso que
se
incluyera esta clave de cada persona que interviene en el acta y asi tener
otra
valiosa referencia para "Rastrear" a cada persona.
Y otro motivo por el que muchas veces se suprimen palabras o letras o
datos, es
simplemente la flojera, el ocio o el desinteres, asi mismo los
investigadores que
len esto, seguramente se daran cuenta, cuando un parroco o encargado del
registro
civil es flojo y como decia "Jaimito" en el Chavo del Ocho, se quieren
ahorrar la fatiga,
asi es que como a estas personas con el aumento de poblacion se les
acrecentaba
tambien el trabajo, trataban por eso de trabajar lo menos posible y
suprimieran datos
que ahora a nosotros los investigadores nos hacen tanta falta, asi un
parroco o
escribano flojo, suprimia muchos datos, como el origen o vecindad, y a veces
con
dificultad ponia el nombre del padre, a veces de la madre ponia solo el
nombre de
pila y de los abuelos para ahorrarse letras, ponia Abuelos NO conocidos,
esto
tambien pasaba con los oficiales del registro civil, que para ahorrarse
tiempo y
trabajo constantemente no ponian datros, y sobre todo ponian que NO FIRMA
por NO SABER, y MENTIRA, muchas de la veces, si sabian firmar y leer y
escribir,
asi un ejemplo, en la boda civil de una pareja de mis bisabuelos, en el acta
de
matrimonio el oficial puso, que no firmaban por no saber, pero 15 o 20 dias
antes
de el acto en el Acta de Presentacion, mis bisabuelos, si sabian leer y
escribir y
firmaron el acta de presentacion, y uno no puede mas que pensar en forma
graciosa
y decir "a que caray, a mis bisabuelos se les olvido leer y escribir en el
termino de
15 o 20 dias", asi gracias a este desinteres de las personas encargadas de
los
libros, nos han privado a nosotros los investigadores de muchos datos y de
muchas
valiosisimas firmas de nuestros ancestros.

Otro motivo para la supresion de datos es el Economico, se ve
claramente en
las fes de bautismo o boda, cuando mediaba una genereso propina a l parroco
o
escribano, este en agradecimiento ponia las mejores flores en el acta que
escribia,
no dejaba pasar ningun dato y lo adornaba, con el "Don", con el "Doña" y
ponia
los apellidos compuestos sin omitir nada, en cambio cuando a la persona que
bautizaban o desposaban, era "Tacaño" o simplemente era pobre o de casta
inferior
alli ni se molestaban en poner datos, simplemente enfatizaban su baja clase
social
con las castas, poniendo que eran INDIOS o MULATOS o ESCLAVOS, solo ponian
el nombre del padre, el nombre de pila de la madre y ABUELOS NO CONOCIDOS,
y no en pocas ocasiones ponian la leyenda "Se bautizo de LIMOSNA", para que
quedara asentado que era un pobreton que no dio ningun pago o propina por
bautizar o por el matrimonio, y si era español o crillo, pero "Tacaño" o no
generoso,
tambien se notaba, porque alli no ponian el "Don", y no ponian los apellidos

compuestos, sino lo mas simples posibles, como una forma de protestar por no
haber recibido una buena "propina".

En una platica con otros investigadores, se comento que asi como lo
menciona
Jorge Luis Ramirez, alrededor de 1800, en visperas de la Independencia, se
dejaron
de escribir los apellidos compuestos, en los protocolos notariales y
documentos de
tipo mas oficial o comercial, si se siguio usando los apellidos compuestos,
hasta
muy entrado el siglo 19, asi Jorge Luis, si buscas a tus ancestros en
protocolos
notariales o de tipo comercial o de registro de propiedades, es casi seguro
que
alli si los vas a encontrar mencionados con su apellido compuesto de Ramírez
de
Hermosillo, hasta casi llegar a 1900.

Atentamente:

Tomas Alejandro Villegas Gomez.

El día 7/09/06, Ramírez escribió:

Hola:

Yo también tenco esa incógnita desde hace tiempo, porque me he
encontrado con varias actas de bautizmos de mis ancestros en los que no
viene el nombre de los abuelos y solo una leyenda que dice algo así
"abuelos no conocieron", pero lo curioso de esto es que en otros hijos
si los anotaron.

Además también me pregunto porque también los de los Altos de
Jalisco, por poner un ejemplo, simplificaron sus apellidos a tan solo
un apellido, siendo que la mayoría de los apellidos eran compuestos,
por ejemplo el mío era Ramírez de Hermosillo, pero alrededor de 1800,
mis ancestros dejaron de usar el de Hermosillo hasta quedar en solo
Ramírez.

Creo que sería bueno tratar de saber los motivos que orillaron a que
no se interesaran por las relaciones de familia y de linaje.

Saludos.
Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.

Magazine article regarding research

I was going through some back issues of Ancestry
Magazine, and came across an article entitled "A
Footnote to Remember", by Jaime Pacheco. His research
is in the Chihuahua area, but the article is
interesting. Then I found that the article was
on-line.
This is the URL:

www.ancestry.com/learn/library/article.aspx?article=8280

What I found interesting was reading about the process
and methodology for problem solving.
I am always looking for new ways to approach and break
through those "brick (or maybe I shoud say "adobe")
walls", or at least reading about how others have done
so.
It is about 6:30 on a Saturday morning here in
northern Virginia - the sky is clear - and the harvest
moon glows like a golden orb in the sky. I hope all is
well with each of you.

natalie coleman

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Spanish phonetic spelling

Hi, Everyone:

As I mentioned in my many other messages, I am now adding my quarter's worth
to the discussions. One of the old messages (forgive me if this is already
known and some of you are going, "Well, duh") talks a bit about Spanish
spellings, y for I, etc. I found the following in an Hispanic Genealogy
book (Sorry, it's late and I'm too lazy to find out which book right now):

Interchangeable Letters:
i-y: used interchangeably until less than 100 years ago.
b-v: used interchangeably even today- also "u" for "v".
j,x,g: used interchangeably by 1550, by 1850 "x" not used as Spanish "j"
sound when used before "i" and "e".
c,s,z,ss: used interchangeably in early Spanish, along with "x,". C,s, and z
still used interchangeably, depending on location.
i-e,a-o,a-u,o-u: used interchangeably in early Spanish and in some regions
still today.
ch-ll: used interchangeably depending on region.
b-p,c-g,d-t: as late as 1700, these interchanges can be found, a carry over
from Latin.
l-r: used interchangeably, some regions more than others.
m-n: used interchangeably between vowel and consonant in words, significant
specifically in names.

Latin Influences:
c-q: Latin "qu" becomes Spanish "cu", such as from quando to cuando.
ff-ph: "ph" introduced into Spanish from Latin to express sounds in
Greek-origin words, such as filosofia to philosophia.
Impure "s": from "es" sound at beginning of words in Latin, sometimes "is,"
later dropped, such as espiritu to spiritu.
Insertion of letters: when Latin spelling is followed closely, such as santo
to sancto, bautizar to baptizar.
Letter "h": may be omitted or added or substituted by "g" or "f". "F" is
used in words now having "h", such as fijo to hijo. Persists into 16th and
17th centuries. "H" may be replaced with "g", such as guevo and huevo. You
can pronounce the words outloud, the "h" is silent, so the meaning will
become clear.

Confusing Letters:
f,i,j,s,t: no linguistic distinction between "i" and "j" until after the
15th century, not totally defined for two more centuries. Sound out the
word to see which it makes sense with of these five letters.
a,o,v,c: often confused with one another in early handwriting.
r,x: use of "x" for "r" very common, even up to the 1850's.
s: can be written in various ways, so be careful.
t: often resembles many letters other than a "t".
Double letters: sometimes no linguistic significance, or represented sound
needed, such as "nn" for Spanish "n" (pronounced "enya") and "rr" for
trilled "r". "Gn" also used for Spanish "n" (pronounced "enya) prior to the
17th century. Some double letters are abbreviations.
Linking letters: occurs in older Spanish manuscripts, one word is linked to
the next.
Suppression of "e": In writing, "e" frequently appears and disappears at the
end of words.

Also, because spelling was done phonetically, you can determine where an
ancestor was from in Spain by how they spelled words, some of which are
regionally distinct by Spanish provinces, whether associated with the church
or nobility, etc., because of how they anunciated their words.

I know this is a lot. Perhaps I should have posted it differently? Or, is
this okay?

Corrine Ardoin

You don't look Mexican

I keep trying to send this message. I hope I'm not jamming up things
resending and resending.

Hi, I have been catching up with reading the archival messages, though I
have to be honest I am not reading every single one, but I did find many of
interest I would like to add my own comments to. One told how people say,
"but you don't look Mexican." Well, I have had many people tell me that,
too, and what is hurtful about it, is that they say it as a compliment!
Like, they mean, "Don't worry, Corrine, you don't look at all Mexican, so
you can rest easy." Can you believe it? Well, it's true. I didn't know
that others had this experience, so I am very thankful to them for sharing
about that and about my Mexican ancestors that came to the United States and
became ashamed of being Mexican. I, too, am saying, "This has gone on long
enough in this family. Now's the time to come out of hiding and be proud of
our heritage."

Corrine Ardoin

Was Leonor Cortez Moctezuma married first with CONQUISTADOR CRISTOBAL DE VALDERRAMA and then with TOLOSA?

Hi,

I'm tracing the line of Leonor Cortez Moctezuma, the daughter that was never recognized by his mother Isabel Moctezuma. I have found some records about she was married with Juan de Tolosa, but in others mention that she was married first with Cristóbal de Valderrama, infact the line that goes to Petronila de Moctezuma comes from this one.

Juan de Altamirano (his descendants become the counts of Santiago Calimaya) took care of Leonor Cortez.

I'd like to know if this Leonor Cortez married with Cristóbal de Valderrama is the same that later married with Tolosa. You can check this link:

http://groups.google.com.mx/group/Genealogia-Mexico/msg/62b3788a4ebcaebb

Please don't forget that there was a Leonor Moctezuma (half sister of Isabel).

Does anyone has records about this subject? I mean, records that could prove that the investigation is 100% accurate?

Thank you
Alfonso

Correa(s) in Tepechitlan, Zacatecas

Helyn,

Have you seen either of these IGI records:

PEDRO JOSEPH CORREAS
Male
Marriages:
Spouse: MARIA DE LUNA
Marriage: 10 FEB 1779 Tepechitlan, Zacatecas, Mexico
Messages: Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.:
M600818 1736-1807 0445047

JOSE DIONICIO CORREA
Male
Marriages:
Spouse: MA. MARIA LUIZA CORREA
Marriage: 01 JUL 1815 Tepechitlan, Zacatecas, Mexico
Messages: Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.:
M600819 1807-1848 0445048

I wanted to know if the parents were listed on either one.

Thanks,
Angie Godina

Registering with Archivos Espanoles En Red

>
Thank you Rose. I tried that, using Babelfish to translate for me,
but the site would not accept my address or phone number. I will
give it another try tomorrow. Maybe I did something else wrong and
I'll be more successful tomorrow.

Linda

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> Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 07:06:52 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Rose Hardy
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Registering with Archivos Espanoles En Red
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> Linda,
>
> I received the registration instructions from Ed Elizondo who is
> charge of the Cuba Genweb. Some years ago, there was a posting on
> the net through Genweb (I thought it was Cuba) that had the
> instructions. Ed has posted the new instructions at his site and
> here it is:
>
> Registering
> The Spanish Ministry of Culture requires the user to register
> before using the AER. Yo do this by clicking on the link titled
> "ALTA DE USUARIO". You will then be presented with a screen which
> we cannot reproduce here due to copyright restrictions.
>
> Note that fields marked with an * must be filled in.
>
> Starting at the upper left and reading line by line left to right,
> the meaning of the various fields are the following:
>
> Identification Data (outer box with dark brown label)
>
> Personal Data (inner box with light brown label)
>
> Type of user (radio buttons) *
> Personal
> Institutional
> Name *
> Surname 1 *
> Surname 2 (mandatory only for Spanish citizens)
> Nationality (drop down list) *
> Spain (default)
> Estados Unidos de America (USA)
> (others not reproduced here)
> e-mail
> Profession (drop down list) *
> Unknown (default)
> Type of identification document (drop down list) *
> National Identity Document (default)
> passport
> Residence card
> others
> Identification document *
> Residence Data (inner box with light brown label)
> Domicile *
> Town *
> Province *
> Postal code *
> Contact telephone
> Country (drop down list) *
> Spain (default)
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Archivos Espanoles En Red website researching

For anyone who is having a difficult time researching in and around Archivos Espanoles en Red. This is how I navigate around the site. I've been using the site for about 3 to 5 years now.

http://aer.mcu.es/sgae/index_aer.jsp

Signing on was difficult for me since I don’t read Spanish very well. I use Google and/or Babelfish for translating spanish.

http://babelfish.altavista.com/

Once you get your logon, and your on the site, click on "Busquedas".
From the next page go to the upper right hand corner-"Otros Criterios de Busqueda", scroll down to "Contenido" and enter a surname. You can click on "Anadir Contenido" as many times as you need to in order to narrow down a search. I usually do two of them and enter a surname and first name, or a surname and a location. (remember to use different variations of spelling for surnames and even the location name)
You'll have to click on "Otros Criterios de Busqueda" again if you do two or more Contenido's. Because the expanded version disappears. Hit the Buscar button, the site won't let you hit enter on your keyboard.....in fact it'll give you an error. (I still get errors because I'm going too fast). If you get an error, just click on the back button on your Internet Exployer/ Netscape navigator.

I tried Archivos y Fondos and found it wasn't as easy as what I'm used to doing.

As an example: "Lope" on one line and "Ruiz" on the other line. Volla! Lope Ruiz de Esparza's passenger information appears on the first page.

When the results appear and there is a green and red camera icon- those are the digital documents. I click on the red camera and the digital window appears which downloads the document. I usually multi-task and while I have the window up downloading the documents, I work on another search....The thing to remember is that if you click on another camera you override the previous digital information.....sometimes I get carried away and forget that I needed the previous digital information and have to go back to the results page again.

I have saved several digital documents on my computer and they will save as JPEGS.

I hope this informaton helps those new genealogist out there

Rose Gonzales-Hardy
Fresno, CA

Mauricio Tovar

I'm afraid I don't remember who had Mauricio Tovar in her line but he was mentioned and now I have a connection but not to my family.. My question is he's living in District of Jerez but was he and his wife Maria Petra Escobedo originally from Tlatenango? I've found children in the IGI and wondered if it was the same family in Jerez so I can enter them in my records
thanks, Linda in B.C.

Panuco: was-Introduction

AliceBB wrote:

>Good Morning, Yes, thank you so much for your efforts. That indeed is my greatgrandfather and that is exactly where my trail for Francisco Santelices or Rosalio Onate using online sources has ended. I'm waitng on micorfilm
>
well you are so so fortunate that this is your great grandfather and
great grandmother (I assume unless this is another marriage). This gives
you the location and hopefully the marriage record will tell you where
he and she originally were from. Hopefully the record will give the
names of their parents. Hopefully the continued to live in Panuco and
some of their children were born and raised in Panuco. That film you are
waiting for is the key to a great start of your genealogy search. Now
that you have the basis to make your start you need to gear up to dig in
and search that film. Make sure you make copies of that record and write
down the film number, volume number (on the film) and page and record
number if they are available. Everything you find on your family you
need to carefully write down your sources so someone else looking at the
record can easily duplicate your research. . .which is what people 5
generations from now will be doing and be very thankful to you for
making that part of the research easy for them.

Also if you want to get daring and make the assumption that your great
grandparent started their family in Panuco why don't you try ordering
this film to see if you might not find some of their children on it:

Title
Registros parroquiales, 1658-1936

Authors
Iglesia Católica. San Juan Bautista (Pánuco, Zacatecas) (Main Author)

Notes
Microfilme de manuscritos en el archivo de la parroquia.
Algunos tomos incluyen índice.
Parish registers of baptisms, confirmations, marriage petitions,
marriages, and deaths from Pánuco, Zacatecas, Mexico.
Some records are gathered into books that reflect social class.
Some volumes include indexes.

Subjects
México, Zacatecas, Pánuco - Church records

Format
Manuscript (On Film)

Language
Spanish

Publication
Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmados por la Sociedad Genealógica de Utah,
1974-1987

Physical
44 carretes de microfilme ; 35 mm.

Film Notes
Note - Location [Film]

Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1892-1899 - FHL INTL Film [ 1093330 ]

> My family must have been extremely small and isolated. Again, thank you. I will continue my efforts and hope to hear from someone who has run across ANY of my MIA's--Missing Individual Ancestors!
>
Esther asked some good questions. You should start your genealogy by
listing everything (give all the details) everything you know. siblings,
parents, aunts, uncles, their children, grandparents, their sibliings,
all the info you know about all these people. all the documents
everything. get it all together and try to get as much of the story
together that is readily available.

joseph

> Sincerely, Alice B. Blake
>
>
>

IGI research tricks

When searching the FamilySearch.org and the IGI. Try a exact name search with both parents surnames only.

1. Enter both surnames in the last name field.... i.e. Gonzales Calvillo
2. Enter Country....i.e Mexico
3. Check the box (Use exact spelling)

This will give you everyone in Mexico with the parents Gonzales and Calvillo. Try different corruptions of the surnames. Calbillo, Gonsales, Gonzalez, Goncales, Goncalez. It can be time consuming....but it's better than not finding anything when in fact your families are really there...or until the LDS church can load all the extractions in.

It's true sometimes L looks like S's on documents. Don't be afraid to try it.....i.e Moya, Moia, Molla

Also, If you know the region, try a batch search....this is very fun. In fact I just taught a lady two weeks ago who was stuck on her family, and with this trick she ended up finding nearly the the siblings and where the parents were married.

1. enter last name only
2. enter region
3 enter state

This will give you everyone in that state, scroll thru until you find someone within your town and time period. It doesn't matter if there not yours. Select that person. Go to the area where the batch number is located. Click on the batch number. Enter any name you like in any field. I.E. fathers first name only.....best to use mothers last name in the mothers last name field. If entering mothers last name only all women will appear and sometimes you will find miss spelled names on the father...that's how I helped my new friend.

There is no need to enter complete names, sometimes less is better.

Have Fun....

Rose Gonzales-Hardy
Fresno, CA

Gonzales and Calvillo Familes of Aguascalientes

I have just uploaded a small portion of my genealogy, These are the Gonzales and Calvillo families.

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/14965

The Gonzales' are in the area of Tapias and Ojocaliente, Aguas from about 1728 to 1887. As of yet I have not made the connection to the Gonzales de Hermosillo family. But I do have a direct line to that family as well.

The Calvillo families are from Texas, Asientos, Maguey, Huerta de Gil, Huerta del Rio, El Sauz, Tepesalilla, Aguascalientes with records from Calvillo and Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes also included is Villa del Refugio, Zacatecas. As far as I know they are not related.

Thanks
Rose Gonzales-Hardy
Fresno, CA

Somos Primos Sept Issue 2006

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Hi . .

I hope everyone gathered some special memories of summer 2006 and are
preparing for fall 2006 with lots of activities surrounding Hispanic
Heritage Month. It appears much is going on nationally. Thank you all
for sharing activities, articles, and event information with Somos
Primos. You are appreciated.

Below is the table of contents for September.

Warm regards, Mimi

UNITED STATES
National issues
Rosa Rosales, New LULAC National Director attends California Meeting
Unquiet Minority: Hispanic Under-Representation in Federal Government
Employment Accountability of Numerous Federal Agencies Needed
Race Categories to Change on 2010 Census Form
Renters no more, More undocumented immigrants are able to buy homes
Mexican Government Creates Special Program to Help Undocumented
Workers Buy Homes Back Home
Cities make quiet plea for tolerance
Aliens rely on DNA to keep family together
Minority population surging in Texas
U.S. Census--Ethnic Transformation in the 50 States
Illegals From Terror-Sponsoring Nations At Large in US
Civil Rights Icon Albert A. Pena Jr. Dies at 89
Where is the 2006 version of Dr. Hector?
Martyred Priests, Their Journey to Orange County, California
Action Item
Resources and ideas for Hispanic Heritage Month
Guy Gabaldon lithograph free (postage required)
Education
Hispanic Scholarship Fund
Placentia woman schooled her children well
A Doctor from Mexicali
Listen to John Phillips Santos
Few Hispanic Teachers to fulfill need
Omaha school district to split along racial line- black, white, Hispanic
Hispanic centers lose key funding
Orange County First "Early-College" high school opens
Pittsburg Proposal, ILConcepts
Culture
Society of Hispanic Historical and Ancestral Research Celebrate 20th
Family Health History Tool in Spanish
Tortilla Art
Business
Bésame Cosmetics Inc.

ANTI-SPANISH LEGENDS
Former Colorado Governor, Dick Lamm, Criticized For Racial Comments
Immigration - and the Curse of the Black Legend

MILITARY AND LAW ENFORCEMENT HEROES
Silvestre S. Herrera Medal of Honor Recipient
Joint POW/MIA Accounting Command, seeks DNA
National United States Marine Corps Museum Opening Schedule
Send a thank you card to soldiers currently serving in Iraq
"The Tejano Battle of Medina" August 18, 1813
Fallen Heroes of Operation Iraqi Freedom
Honor Them by Remembering . . Freedom is their Gift to Us
WWII Draft Registration Cards
Resources for Descendants of Mexican War Veterans

CUENTOS
My First Celebration of Labor Day, Circa 1949 by Frank Sifuentes
The Bean contest en la Escuela Zavala by Frank Sifuentes
Cuentos de Kiko
Learning from our Past by Michael Lozano, Part 5

SURNAME Oramas

SPANISH SONS OF THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION
Soldados from the Royal Presidio of Santa Barbara
Members of Los Pobladores participated in the Santa Barbara parade
History Lessons Learned in Searching for Spanish Soldiers and Sailors
Need a DAR look-up article
Chile Patriots During the American Revolution

ORANGE COUNTY, CA
Sept 15-Oct 15 Sept : SHHAR to mount Orange County Register Hispanic
Heritage Month Display
Sept 27th: Reception
Libreria Martinez Story Going Nationwide
Sept 2: Leo Limón Poster signing at Libreria Martinez Lakewood
Sept 14: OC 3nd Annual Biggest Hispanic Professionals Mixer
Sept 19: National Latina Business Women, OC Chapter Heritage Event
Sept 30: Orange County Children's Book Festival
Emigdio Vasquez and 124 Years of Progress
Satisfaction with mission accomplished, Grijalva Park Expands
Costa Mesa mom helps parents keep kids from gangs
It takes a Village
Oct 6: Save the Date: The Spice of Life! Boy Scouts

LOS ANGELES, CA
Sept 4: City of Los Angeles 225 Birthday Celebration, Join the Walk
Los Pobaldores Walk to Los Angeles
225 Years, 1781-2006 Celebrating the Founding of Los Angeles
Sept 6-10: National Latino Congreso
Sept 10th: Centinella Adobe Fiesta
Sept 11-12: Highways Free Performance Workshop, click for information
Sept 29: Alta California:
Peoples in Motion, Identities in Formation, 1769-1850
Parish history of Rancho San Pedro, now know as the South Bay
The School of Arts and Enterprise Seeks Artistic Contributions
Gene Autry's Legacy and an Indian Museum Merge (and Collide)
Oct 7: Los Cerritos Neighborhood Festival
Oct 21: Save the Date. . . Monterey Park Family History Conference

CALIFORNIA
San Diego River Dam, 1813
Once there was a River by Victor Walsh
Call for photos: History of Mexicans/Chicanos in San Diego
Sept: 21-24th Conference of California Historical Societies
Futbol Club Barcelona to Visit
Some Early Southern California Burials online, Long Beach
Sirbiente Translates to Mayordomo
San Mateo County databases online
Huntington Early California Population Project
Historia de la Ciudad de Tijuana
Spanish emigration to Hawaii and to California in the early 1900s
A documentary Showing
Stolen Cross Found
A Mexican Genealogy Group Met In Brentwood
Oct 13-14 Reyes Adobe Celebration, Aguora Hills

NORTHWESTERN UNITED STATES
14 de oct: Novena Conferencia Anual de Historia Familiar Hispana
13 de oct: Investigación avanzadas Genealógica, España y Latino
América
The Roots of Human Family Tree Shallow
Oct 7th: Clark County Nevada Genealogical Society Seminar
KODAK Document Imaging and the Genealogical Society of Utah
Center receives funding for Basque Genealogy Center

SOUTHWESTERN UNITED STATES
The Municipal Origins of la Villa de San Felipe el Real de Chihuahua,
1718-1725 by Jaime Pacheco and LeRoy Anthony Reaza
Hispanic poet, Trinidad Sanchez, Jr. who took on social issues, dies at 63
Jalapeño Blues (Why Am I So Brown?)
Research trip to El Paso yields many Treasures
Oct 14: TX Rangers & Mexican Revolution: Bloodiest Decade, 1910-1920
Oct 14: Living History Rendezvous
Report on the Heritage Discovery Center
Hispanic Heritage Project New Book Arrivals
Vaquero Heritage Foundation
Genealogy information, Tucson and Tubac Presidios

BLACK
Native Sons of Liberty
Obituary: Louise Bennett 1919-2007
Is It Cultural Cleansing, Post-Katrina Tragedies, or Both?

INDIGENOUS
Sept 11-12: Highways, Free Performance Workshop
Indigenous Mexico Statistics: The 2005 Conteo
Comparison of Mexico's Indigenous-speaking populations
Five Civilized Tribes

SEPHARDIC
Back to Babylon
Sept 10: Symposium: Hidden Jewish Heritage: Exploring a Path to Return
Jo Roybal Izay
Appendix, A-C: Remnants of Crypto-Jews Among Hispanic Americans

TEXAS
September as designated Tejano Heritage Month
Oct 14: Tejano Leadership in the history of Texas, Symposium
Quintanilla relatives seek justice for their ancestors
Book: Genealogical Survey of Early Families of Villa del Carmen en Medina
Census, Corpus Christi Library
Dr. Jean Stuntz' Speech for the Los Béxareños
Early residents in San Antonio
Spanish land grants and the recovery of oil and gas royalties
Contact website for filing land claims
Sept 9: Stand Up Rally for Better Schools
Laredo Martin High School & OLD High School yearbooks " La Pitahaya"
Ancestors of Guillermo David Guerra Treviño
The Descendants of Don Pedro Mariano de Ocon y Trillo
Alex Loya, Chapter 12: American Roots of the Spaniard Texians
Click for "The Tejano Battle of Medina" August 18, 1813

EAST OF THE MISSISSIPPI
East Baton Rouge Genealogical Records
Spanish Louisiana
Book: Tlalcoyote, Historical Fiction by Ernesto Uribe
When in Chicagoland...visit Paseo Boricua
Book: "Latinos in Milwaukee" Latino Historical Society of Wisconsin
Save the date: Dec 16: Finding Your Hispanic Roots, Newberry Library

EAST COAST
César Chávez Statue in Rhode Island
Amigos de O'Malley
Sept 20-23: Hispanic Chamber of Commerce 27th National Convention

MEXICO
Was Venustiano Carranza Iranian?
S: Don Elías Amador Garay, Escritor Zacatecano
S: Don Francisco Goitia García, el gran pintor Zacatecano
El antiQuario Magazine
S: Comité Mexicano De Ciencias Históricas
S: Libro: Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara Antiguo Obispado, XVII - XVIII
S: Elizondo Reunion
Religion in Mexico
Jalisco
S: Libros Genealogicos en el Instituto Mora
The Descendents of Don Juan Barbarigo Masaga
The Descendents of General Jose Santiago Vidaurri Valdez

CARIBBEAN/CUBA
Don't forget the four million American citizens living in Puerto Rico,
Calidoscopio Cubano

SPAIN
S: Aroche, Huelva
St. Ignatius of Loyola (1491-1556)
Gocamino, barefoot pilgrims
S: El Museo y Parque Arqueológico Cueva Pintada

INTERNATIONAL
S: Juan Bermudez
S: Publicaciones Genealógicas en Nicaragua

HISTORY
Nuestra Famila Unida seeks Latin American History researchers
Who was the first president of the United States
The Henry Patrick & the San Antonio Urrutia Family connection
Mexican American Records at the Allen County Library

FAMILY HISTORY
New Software available at Family History Centers
Fan Story
National Poetry Month: Jean Gonzales
Preservation Hints
Self-help for FamilySearch Computer Products
Eastman's Online Genealogy Newsletter Podcasts
Preservation Tip of the Month

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Vault films

> . . .I'm curious about vault films.. are there films that can only be seen
> by going to Salt Lake in person? Does this mean they are not listed online
> in family search?

ALL the geneaolgy films are listed in the catalog found on familyseaerch
along with where they can be found:
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp. Copies of
ALL the films can be viewed by patrons in their local Family History Centers
without having to travel to SLC.

The vault refers to a huge storage area in SLC hewn out of a granite
mountain where the temperature is constant and the elements are kept at bay
in order to preserve the films. This is where all the master copies of the
genealogy films owned by the LDS church are stored.

When a film is requested by a patron, a copy is made and sent to the main
library in SLC where it remins -- or the local Family History Center if that
is who made the request, and after three renewals the film will remain in
the local center on indefinite loan as well. I suspect the three renewals
pay for the cost of duplicating the film.

In some cases no one has ever asked to use a film so a copy has never been
made to be viewed and the only copy is the master copy in the vault. Hence
it takes a few days to receive a film from the vault, and if you only have a
few days at the library, it can really impact your visit when the films
aren't available.

If you look at the familysearch website, it will tell you whether the films
are in the vault, which means no copies are available in the library.
However, as Josie mentioned, you can request that a copy be sent to the
library before making the trip.

Hope this helps.

~Deena~

[Genealogia.org.mx] 6085 5912 De La Torre

Gracias por la informacion, Sr. John Inclan:

Ya tengo estos datos y posteriores, yo donde estoy atorado es en el
matrimonio de Pedro Navarro Gaytan y Maria de Velasco.

El Genealogista Pedro Franco Lopez me dijo que Maria de Velasco,
tambien se firmaba Maria Salcedo y Valdivia o Maria Hernandez Gamiño o Maria
Gómez de
Espejo, que era de los Hernandez Gamiño, que usaban todos esos apellidos,
pero
como se que esto es cierto, necesito saber lo de los HERNANDEZ GAMIÑO,
no he localizado tampoco la fé de bautizmo de mi ancestro Luis
Navarro
Gaytan Velasco, hijo de los anteriores, que se caso con Catalina Beatriz de
la Torre de la Cueva (tampoco de ella tengo su bautismo), se casaron el
02-Mzo-1734 en Tepatitlán, y tampoco se si Luis Navarro Gaytan tenia mas
hermanos.

Me puede usted ayudar con esto de los Navarro Gaytan y de los
Hewrnández
Gamiño.

Mil Gracias, Saludos desde Guadalajara:

Tomas Alejandro Villegas Gomez

2006/8/29, John Inclan :
>
> IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index
> v5.0 Mexico Search Results
> | Download | Pedigree
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> CLEMENTE DE LA TORRE LEDESMA Male
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> Event(s): Birth: Christening: 22 MAY 1703 Tepatitlan, Jalisco,
> Mexico Death: Burial:
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> Parents: Father: CLEMENTE DE LA TORRE LEDESMA
> Family
> Mother: CATALINA FRANCO DE LA CUEVA
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> Source Information: Batch Number: 8683207
> Sheet: 31 Source Call No.: 1396258
> Type: Film
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