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Hi Emilie:

I have a reference to a "Estancia de Monseñique, Aguascalientes, Mexico.
Could this be the place that you are looking for?

This is the place where Lorenza Ruiz de Esparza married Capitan Luis
Tiscareño de Molina y Marquez 16 May 1623.

John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Emilie Garcia"
To:
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 11:02 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] A Place Name in Aguascalientes

>I wonder if anyone can help me with a place name in Aguascalientes.
>
> I have a baptism record here for my husband's ggggg-grandfather, baptized
> in Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes in 1748, but he was born in a place that
> looks like "Marinique". I don't find that place in the Diccionario
> Geografico, but when I Googled it, I came up with a "Marinique Resort" in
> Aguascalientes. However, when I entered the website, I couldn't find it
> listed. (It is a travel website).
>
> Has anyone encountered this place name before and/or have any idea where
> in Aguascalientes or other state it may have been in?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Emilie Garcia
> Port Orchard, WA ----

Does that mean us that are alread IN the group? This group is right
for me:) Marge:)
On Sep 24, 2006, at 3:52 PM, Joseph Puentes wrote:

>
> As of 09/23/2006 the Nuestros Ranchos group has started a new policy.
> The group is experiencing tremendous growth and that growth has forced
> the policy change.
>
> From now on to be a member of the group you must first send in a
> genealogy report showing your connection to either Jalisco, Zacatecas,
> and/or Aguascalientes. After I receive the report I will activate your
> account.
>
> If you are unsure about sending in your report I would suggest that you
> read through the message archives and see if this group is right for
> you.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Joseph Puentes - originating Moderator
>
> ps: Those of you that were subscribed to the list before 09/23/2006
> will
> be allowed to stay with the same deadline of 01-31-2007 to get your
> genealogy submitted. However I would very very much enjoy and be
> appreciative it you would just go ahead and send me a report in either
> "Word" or just in an email with your "representative" tree.
>
> I'll need the following info from you:
>
> 1) your name and Username and subscription email address (please don't
> email me from a different address and not identify yourself)\
> 2) The specific name of the file you are sending
> 3) The specific Ranchos in our target area of research that the file is
> associated with
>
> please don't forget that and please do try to get those to me soon, but
> as I said you really do have until 01-31-2007
>
>

For those of you, who need help help with preparing or compiling t your information, for your genealogy, just ask!!! There are many here in the group, including myself that would be willing to help you out.

Jonathan
jonathan@mexicanfhr.com

You can add and delete records from your GEDCOM at any time. You can even
upload whole new versions of it or dump all of the data if you like.

To delete a record, log on, click on GEDCOM then click on "Administer My
Tree". There you will see the options of "People" and "Families". To
delete an individual, click on "People", then under "Modify Existing Person"
type in a search string to find the appropriate person. When the list comes
up, simply click on the little red "x" to delete that person. To delete a
family, the process is the same, but you should note that deleting a family
only deletes the definition of relationships between the individuals in that
family but does not delete the individuals themselves, i.e. they can be
regrouped with other families.

2006/9/22, papagaia2 :
>
> Is it safe to say that "these individuals," have been individually
> notified
> and have replied with a ' yes' or 'no' to continue?
>
> Is it ok to edit/delete an individual record from one's own GEDCOM, or
> does
> that also need to be done by the moderator?
>
> Pat Silva Corbera
> Tracy CA
>
>

>
>I spoke with George Ryskamp last night and he agreed for us to record any of
>his seminars for Joseph's Podcast project.....Joseph, he sends his regards!
>
>
>
>
Great Josie,

Mr. Ryskamp's presentations are always high quality and I'm sure this
one will be no different. I appreciate you asking.

I'm wondering who is going to take a digital recorder with them? Do you
happen to have one? Or if no one has one does anyone have a regular
cassette recorder with an external microphone. You'll have to visit the
room where the presentation is to be given and plan your "recording"
strategy ahead of time. the recording device needs to be as close as
possible. The recording just won't come out good enough to listen to if
you are at the back of the room so if possible the recorder needs to be
right up next to the speaker if there is some kind of table for it there.

let me know if you have any questions.

thanks,

joseph

Leticia:

I noticed that the film already existed under Arandas before you added it there as well. So what I have done is delete both of the entries that you made and simply added your name to the pre-existing entry for the film under Arandas.

Just a reminder, you can edit an existing film by clicking on the film number which is in brown (and therefore a hyperlink) as opposed to black like the rest of the listing.

Some further suggestions for the dream trip. If the group planned to drive north from Guadalajara to Aguascalientes and then north to Zacatecas, those interested in visiting San Jose de Gracia and Rincon de Romos will be pleased to learn that San Jose is on the way -- about 35 kilometers north of Aguascalientes-- and Rincon de Romos another 10 kilometers or so north from there. Many of the San Jose de Gracia records are at Rincon de Romos because the original town, since the 1930s is covered by the waters of the Presa Calles. There is an excellent, moderately priced hotel in Aguascalientes called La Noria that I recommend highly. Continuing the return loop from Zacatecas back to Guadalajara, we might want to south on highway 54 toward Villanueva and stop to visit La Quemada. There are some spectacular Precolumbian ruins there that were built by some of our indigenous ancestors.

We would love to visit Guadalajara, then on to Mexticacan to Nochistlan.
Great idea of trying to have a local historian join our tour group. Tino
and I are very flexible, just being with a group of individuals that know
the country and have family in the area would be a wonderful experience for
us.
If possible, we would like to visit Nochistlan and Momax since these two
towns are the birth place of Tino's parents.
Tino and Pat Corbera
Tracy CA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alicia Carrillo"
To:
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 10:37 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] 2007 Dream Trip Planning.

> ----- Original Message ----
> From: enrique legaspi
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 12:45:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Distances: Teocaltiche, Nochistlan,
> Mexticacan & Aguascalientes
>
>
> The towns are almost a stone's throw from each other. Today, driving time
> is 10-15 minutes. As a kid I rode a bicyle and it took me 1 hour to 1 1/2
> hour. The same goes for Mexticacan, but in the opposite direction from
> Teocaltiche. (including La Estancia).
>
>
> Muchas Gracias Enrique,
>
> I will keep this in mind for our Dream Trip to the Los Altos region next
> year.
>
> Enrique, maybe you can also give us some tips on where to go for our dream
> trip to study and learn about the histrory of the region. We would also
> like to play and have some fun, a little Mariachi night music will help us
> to unite with our ancestral spirits.
>
> Jose Muños of northern Calif has agreed to do some research on places to
> visit on our 7-10 day dream trip. Anyone who is interested in going, now
> is your chance to give some input to him as to places of interest to each
> of you.
>
> I think we definitely should include Guadalajara and Aguascalientes. And
> of course I would like to go to my ancestral town of Nochistlan. Enrique,
> does Nochistlan have a town historian who could give us a historical tour,
> taking into consideration that this was the first and original
> Guadalajara?
>
> Ok, this is what I propose, we fly into Guadalajara have a carro de sitio
> ready or tour bus depending on how many people will be coming. We can then
> drive to Yahualica and spend the night there as they have adequate hotels.
> Next day onto Mexticacan then to Nochistlan. If we can get a historian for
> a tour then we can have lunch or dinner in Nochistlan at my cousin's
> family restaurant el pollo loco which is very good, maybe with a little
> Mariachi. From Nochistlan onto Teocaltiche where we can spend the night.
> Does anyone know what we can do as in places of interest in Teocaltiche?
>
> After Teocaltiche we can drive to Aguascalientes where there is much to
> see and do. I would like to look for Rincon de Romos, Los Cuervos and San
> Jose de Gracia. If you can make other suggestions for Aguas, speak up now.
> We can spend the day and night in Aguascalientes.
>
> From Aguas, we decide if we want to go north to Zacatecas, Zacatecas the
> state capital or if we want to go southeast or northeast as in Totatiche,
> Tepechitlan, Colotlan, Momax, Jalpa, Jerez, Fresnillo etc. It's our dream
> trip so we can make it anything we want, of course within reason. Speak up
> now if you're interested and give Jose Muños your input so we can help him
> with our needs and wants for this fabulous trip.
>
> Our last place to stay, visit, study and play should be Guadalajara for at
> least 1 day if not more.
>
> Para los que viven en Guadalajara y sus alrededores, quizas nos pueden
> orientar hacia puntos de interes historico y tambien nos pueden acompañar
> en nuestra jornada por la region. Los que vamos de afuera no estamos al
> tanto del ambiente local o los lugares de interes genealogico. Se les
> agredeceria su ayuda con sugerencias para este viaje que se llevara acabo
> el 2007, lo mas probable seria en los meses de Julio o Agosto cuando hay
> mas oportunidad de tomar vacacion.
>
> Atentamente;
> Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo
> San Jose, Calif
>
>
>
>
> Today the drive to Aguascalientes from Nochistlan is 1 hour. Starting
> in Nochistlan, the road to "Aguas" as the locals call it, will take you
> past La Estancia, Apulco, through Teocaltiche, past the fork in the road
> to Jalostotitlan and Lagos de Moreno and finally Aguascalientes.

If you are thinking of going to the larger Archives to do any research
(actually any Archives) it MIGHT be best to contact them ahead of time
to see if there is anything you need to do ahead of time to gain
entrance. You also might want to find their hours and address.

wish I could go. . .sounds like great fun.

joseph

Alicia Carrillo wrote:

>Our last place to stay, visit, study and play should be Guadalajara for at least 1 day if not more.
>
>

Hola Tomás,
No encontre la Genealogia de los Altos de Jalisco. En cual parte de está pagina la encontraste.

Muchas Gracias,
Maria Elena Gutierrez-Uhlenburg
Tomás Alejandro Villegas Gómez wrote:
Hola a Todos:

Para los interesados en la Genealogia de los Altos de Jalisco:

Acabo de encontrar esta pagina de Pegueros, Jalisco,
en la seccion de boletines mensuales trae genealogia sobre
todo de los Gutiérrez de Mendoza que conformaron en gran
medida esta Poblacion que pertenece a Tepatitlán de Morelos
Jalisco, trae el indice de las revistas que publican, donde
estoy seguro trae mas genealogia, lastima que solo publiquen
el inmdice de articulos, deberian tambien poner las revistas
en pdf, seria grandioso.

El link es el siguiente:

http://www.clubpegueros.com

--
Saludos desde Guadalajara:

Tomas Alejandro Villegas Gomez

Josie, et al:

Do we have a good idea of who from the group will be attending the genealogy conference in Salt Lake next week? I can't wait to meet eveyone in person.

A reminder... the schedules in both English and Spanish are posted at:

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/14949

Corrine, you are a welcome addition to the Nuestros Ranchos list.. so glad you keep perservering to get online. I still occasionally have problems with my limited computer skills.. Amazing how quickly you made contact with extended family, that's great!
again, welcome.

Linda Castanon-Long in B.C.

Corrine Ardoin wrote:
Hi, Everyone:

I seem to be having trouble posting messages. They keep getting returned as
Undeliverable, but I will keep trying.

Anyways, I read some of the old messages and found another that is very
informative. I have been putting together a family cookbook in order to
preserve traditional recipes. Thanks be to God, my mom had her mother's
capirotada recipe and I was blown away by the ingredients, tomatos, cheese
and such. Now, since I've read that these are some of the ingredients used
for a lenten dish, I am not so dismayed. My mother said that her mother
made it for Lent and it was a family favorite handed down. My grandmother
was called "La Tapatia" and my mother, since she was born in Guadalajara,
was also called that by her aunts, which made her feel very special.

Corrine Ardoin

ohoh. . .here we go again with the capirotada! I'm going to get hungry
for it all over again.

seriously can you forward me one of those "Undeliverable" messages to my
makas@nc.rr.com address. You are able to send email to the group so I
don't know why you should be getting them.

thanks,

joseph

Corrine Ardoin wrote:

>Hi, Everyone:
>
>I seem to be having trouble posting messages. They keep getting returned as
>Undeliverable, but I will keep trying.
>
>Anyways, I read some of the old messages and found another that is very
>informative. I have been putting together a family cookbook in order to
>preserve traditional recipes. Thanks be to God, my mom had her mother's
>capirotada recipe and I was blown away by the ingredients, tomatos, cheese
>and such. Now, since I've read that these are some of the ingredients used
>for a lenten dish, I am not so dismayed. My mother said that her mother
>made it for Lent and it was a family favorite handed down. My grandmother
>was called "La Tapatia" and my mother, since she was born in Guadalajara,
>was also called that by her aunts, which made her feel very special.
>
>Corrine Ardoin
>

Emilie,

When I was growing up, my mom who is a fantastic cook never used meat in her enchiladas, she used cooked shredded potatoes, diced onions and cheese and this was her filling for the enchiladas. They were served over romaine lettuce leaves and topped with crema fresca(Mexican Cream) similar to but not as acidic as sour cream and diced cooked carrots and fresh cooked green beans in about 1 inch lengths sauteed in butter and served over the freshly made enchiladas.

Buen Provecho!
Alicia

----- Original Message ----
From: Emilie Garcia
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 12:55:12 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Another Zacatecan Recipe

http://lomexicano.com/mexicanfoodrecipeglossary.htm#r

While I was using the glossary in the link above, I saw a recipe for Enchiladas Zacatecanas. They are made with shredded pork and a sauce made with roasted green chiles and cream, and they are served topped with cooked shredded carrots and shredded potatoes and cheese, and slices of avocado. Scroll down until you see "Zacatecanas".

I am anxious to try these, since I cannot eat the green enchiladas with that green sauce made with tomatillos. Those are too highly acidic, and I suffer from acid reflux disease. The cream would also further smooth out the acid from the green chiles.

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---

Emilie,
I would say you are doing very well in your translation.

the recipe lists "dos huevos", but in the directions, they only used the whites to make a meringue).

Alicia, maybe you can help me. I was able to translate most of the ingredients using my Spanish-English dictionary, but some things were not listed there, or I don't know where to obtain some ingredients. Emilie, if you don't have a Tienda Mexicana or Mexican Grocery store nearby, I would be happy to shop for and send them to you, just give me (off line) your mailing address.

Grajeas -- "small sugar plums". Where would I get these? When I lived in Santa Clara Valley, we had sugar plum trees in the yard, dark with yellow flesh, the kind they make prunes from, I guess. Could I substitute dried prunes?,
Emilie, Capirotada being peasant food you would use almost anything you had on hand, seldom would go to the store to shop for one or two ingredients.

Biznagas ---"candied cactus". Do most Mexican import stores have this? Biznaga Yes, most Mexican shops carry this, usually by the cash register in a covered plastic case as the candy is perishable. Dulce de biznaga is firmer than most of the dulces such as calabaza (squash) or camote(sweet potato), although I have never had capirotada with dulce de biznaga.

Molde refractario -- "refractory". Does this simply mean "heat-resistant"? Correct, meaning baking dish

Batir las claras a punto de turron --- "beat the whites to the point of nougat consistency". Does this just mean to beat the egg whites until they are stiff? Correct again.

My mother made a capirotada very similar to this; however, she didn't use the peanuts, meringue, candied cactus, grated coconut or sugar plums.

My husband uses the peanuts, the coconut and various and assorted dried fruits.

Alicia Carrillo in San Jose, Calif