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Hi, ¿where in Guadalajara did Adolfo Oñate was living at that time, do you have an address or at least a street name? Because I have relatives Oñate in Guadalajara, decendants to Marcial Oñate, cousin to my ggfather Francisco Oñate Solis, maybe in that matter is a path to follow.
AliceBB escribió: Hi Esther, Agustina and Luis Onate never left Mexico. Adolfo Onate was here for a while, but returned to Mexico, where I met him in Guadalajara, Jalisco 40 years ago. I'm new to this and have never requested SS records. Don't you need to show some sort of direct/legal connection for that? I know nothing about him or anyone else, except for names. Thanks for the suggestions. Possible Prima, Alice

--- eaherold@att.net wrote:

From: eaherold@att.net
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Los O���ate de Alice
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 02:00:27 +0000

Did Luis or his siblings ever collect social security? If they did then you can request their social security application which might have their place of birth recorded and date of birth. Same with Augustina and her siblings.

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Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from AliceBB : --------------

> Esther, Sorry, but the only data I have is for Agustina Santelice's parents'
> marriage in Panuco 1882. Unfortunately, I don't have any info on Agustina's
> marriage to Luis Onate. That's the problem, Esther. I have no dates or firm
> locations of births, etc. I did find Luis Onate's brother Adolfo's WWI Draft
> registration that states his birth as Sept 27, 1896 in Villa Garcia, Zac. I
> will order Vault Film 1089262 that contains nacimientos of that date. I know
> their father's name: Rosalio Onate, but not my ggrandmother's name at all.
> Hopefully, I'll find Luis and Adolfo's parents and grandparents' names on the
> film. Wish me luck and thanks so much for your interest. I need all the help I
> can get. Alice B. Blake
>
> --- eaherold@att.net wrote:
>
> From: eaherold@att.net
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Los O���ate de Alice
> Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 04:58:43 +0000
>
> Alice,
>
> I will call you cousin for I have Onate ancestry also. My Onate heritage dates
> back to the colonization of Zacatecas and Oaxaca of New Mexico.
>
> You found the marriage of Agustina Santelices and Luis Onate. That is a good
> begining. I am willing to help you research the Onates. So far I have been
> lucky in my own research. I am kind of curious if you go back to Juan or
> Cristobal Onate as I do. I will need the date of Agustina and Luis' marriage and
> the place and the church. I also need to know where and when the other children
> of the marriage were born. Did you read the documents in their entriety?
>
> Let me know what you think.
> --
> Esther A. Herold
>
>
> -------------- Original message from Leticia Leon :
> --------------
>
>
> > thanks for your answer.
> >
> > I���ll be asking to my father, over and over until I squeez his brain as I am
> > used to do. He���ll be 84 on oct, some times I brake adobe walls with this
> > technique! He could remember something, I almost hear the whispering spirits
> > around, if I were a dog my ears would be pointing up. If any news, be sure
> I���ll
> > tell.
> >
> >
> > AliceBB escribi���:
> > Hi Leticia, My mother's maiden name was Enedina Onate; she grew up believing
> > she was born in Aguascalientes, Aguas. May 14, 1915. Her parents were Luis
> Onate
> > and Agustina Santelices, who separated, and therein lies the rub. My mother
> was
> > estranged from the Onates all her life and when she sought them out about 40
> > years ago, she found an aunt Leonarda Onate in Aguas.,Aguas. who in turn took
> us
> > to meet an uncle Adolfo Onate in Guadalajara, Jalisco. They told us of another
> > sister Maria Onate in the US. who married a first cousin Eduardo Onate! I was
> > with Mom on this trip, and Tia Leonarda took us to a church where her
> father/my
> > ggrandfather Rosalio de Onate was a benefactor, and is entombed.
> Unfortunately,
> > I was about 12 at the time, and while I remember the white marble tomb, I
> wasn't
> > much interested. It was on that trip that Tia Leonarda and Uncle Adolfo
> informed
> > my mother that she was actually born in Villa Garcia, Zac. GGrandfather
> Rosalio
> > and ggrandmother Petra
> > Candelas/or Candelario supposedly had a tobacco hacienda that was lost in the
> > revolution. After all that effort, my mother never kept up correspondence with
> > the Onate's. To date, the only family info I have been able to verify through
> > FHC records, is the marriage of my grandmother Agustina Santelices' parents:
> > ggrandmother Maria Valderramas to ggrandfather Francisco Santelices in
> > Panuco,Zac. on April 20. 1882, although it states they were from Vetagrande,
> > Zac. That entry states no children, when they actually had two daugthers. And
> > that's about it. My Onates are NOWHERE to be found and that FHC entry is the
> > only mention of a Santelices. It's been a brick wall ever since! There are
> lots
> > of Valderramas and Candelas, but until I find a link, I don't know which ones
> to
> > follow. Thanks so much, Alice B. Blake
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Did Luis or his siblings ever collect social security? If they did then you can request their social security application which might have their place of birth recorded and date of birth. Same with Augustina and her siblings.

--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from AliceBB : --------------

> Esther, Sorry, but the only data I have is for Agustina Santelice's parents'
> marriage in Panuco 1882. Unfortunately, I don't have any info on Agustina's
> marriage to Luis Onate. That's the problem, Esther. I have no dates or firm
> locations of births, etc. I did find Luis Onate's brother Adolfo's WWI Draft
> registration that states his birth as Sept 27, 1896 in Villa Garcia, Zac. I
> will order Vault Film 1089262 that contains nacimientos of that date. I know
> their father's name: Rosalio Onate, but not my ggrandmother's name at all.
> Hopefully, I'll find Luis and Adolfo's parents and grandparents' names on the
> film. Wish me luck and thanks so much for your interest. I need all the help I
> can get. Alice B. Blake
>
> --- eaherold@att.net wrote:
>
> From: eaherold@att.net
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Los O

thanks John. . .it is a great resource. That is what is great about the
group. Members that have been in the group for years can contribute and
members that have been in the group for a few days can contribute. We
can learn from each other. None of us has all the information. Thanks
for your interest and participation in the group.

joseph

john robles wrote:

>Hello all
> I have located a great geagraphical resource that has allowed me to locate the brithplaces of both grandparents in Aguascalientes. They were both small places, and I never thought I could find them until I located this resource. Just click on the link and go to the site. THere you can search by country, and once in the country listing you can search by place name. I clicked on Ojo de Agua de Rosales and it located it for me on a satellite map and listed the GPS locations and elevations, etc. I also clicked on La Hacienda in Aguascalientes and got similar results. It's a great resource. The link is http://www.indexmundi.com/.
> John Robles

Joseph,

I think your new proposed policy is fair to anyone and to you. I appreciate your leadership and your flexibility. The fact of the matter is that quite a number of others do not have either the time, money, or tools to have signicant "posts." As the years tick by, they may be able to learn from those that do post. Genealogy, like computers and the Internet, are a time sink, and people have other priorities and/or are involved with constantly changing life dramas. We can still all learn from each other. I favor the more liberal requirement for membership.

Sincerely,

Edward Serros

Take this as an opinion and preferance: I would like to have access to the gedcoms and family reports of those members that have to be axed from the group; so for me people go and reports have to stay as long as the group deserve to have those reports in the files section, because it is data, that in some cases "fell as gift from heaven", maybe it should be a explicit rule when someone subscribe.

Most of the time I don´t participate because not many share my genes, so I expect not to be axed. In fact nobody in the group share family members nor places, as long as I know, but instead I enjoy so much the sense that I belong in a group that share the same pasion. It is my refuge to look for mail mostly when there are so many adobe walls to brake or to pray at.

Hope it is a strong rason for not to be expelled.

Thanks for your kindness and help in advance.

Joseph Puentes escribió:

hi,

first my apologies for posting this to the "research" list but I did it
since that is the group with the highest number of subscribed members.

I'm overwhelmed. I thought that moving from Yahoo to the new site would
be better and so far it is vastly better and the site is a beautiful
creation of Arturo Ramos the webmaster. Thanks Arturo!

. . .but it one way, a critical way, it is way to much better. I thought
that the amount of work would stay about the same or even less with the
new sites functionality and added features. Some how the new site is
attracting new members to the group in a way that is very much superior
to the yahoo group and that is making my job one that can't continue the
way it is going. I've got a lot of other things going on
(http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com and http://H2Opodcast.com) and adding
new projects as well and the work for the Nuestros Ranchos site needs to
be trimmed for me to continue as the originating Moderator of the group.

For those reasons I'm thinking to make group membership available only
to persons that:

1) have their representative genealogies in hand and will send them in
as part of being accepted into the group.

or

2) if they are a brand new researcher and have nothing to submit. A
brief written report stating the oral history or other reasons why they
believe they are tied to the states of Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or
Aguascalientes.

or

3) They request a special exemption that will need to considered on a
case by case basis.

What do you as the membership think about this?

joseph

=========================================

pardon esta traducción terrible pero aquí es los pescados de Babel
(http://babelfish.altavista.com/):

hola,

primero mis apologías por fijar esto la lista pero a mí de la
"investigación" la hicieron desde entonces que es el grupo con el número
más alto de miembros suscritos.

Me abruman. Pensé que la mudanza desde Yahoo al sitio nuevo estaría
mejor y es hasta ahora sumamente mejor y el sitio es una creación
hermosa de Arturo Ramos el webmaster. ¡Gracias Arturo!

. . but una forma, una manera crítica, él es manera a mucho mejor.
Pensé que la cantidad de trabajo permanecería casi igual o aún menos con
la nueva funcionalidad de los sitios y las características agregadas.
Vaya algo cómo el sitio nuevo está atrayendo a nuevos miembros al grupo
de una manera que sea mucho superior al grupo del yahoo y que está
haciendo mi trabajo uno que no pueda continuar la manera él. Tengo
muchos de otras cosas que van encendido (http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com
y http://H2Opodcast.com) y la adición de los nuevos proyectos también y
del trabajo para el sitio de los ranchos de Nuestros necesita ser
ajustada para que continúe como el asesor el originar del grupo. Por
esas razones estoy pensando para poner calidad de miembro de grupo a
disposición solamente las personas eso:

1) tiene sus genealogías representativas a disposición y las enviará
adentro como parte de ser aceptado en el grupo.

o

2) si son investigador nuevos y no tienen nada someter. Un breve informe
escrito que indica la historia oral u otras razones por las que los
creen se ata a los estados de Jalisco, de Zacatecas, y/o de Aguascalientes.

o

3) solicitan una exención especial que necesite considerado caso por caso.

¿Qué usted como la calidad de miembro piensa de esto?

joseph

I think I didn't state that clearly. There was no infro from LDS films on the Nuestros Ranchos site that contain the info or date range I am looking for, but a friend of mine is going to the LDS library in Salt Lake City and is taking my data in order to locate the info and film numbers I need.
John

Emilie Garcia wrote:
John,

You say "there are no films from the years I am looking for" but that you were going to get them from the LDS Library. I am curious---where have you been viewing films? I thought only the LDS Family History Center libraries and some libraries in El Paso, TX had microfilms from Mexico.

Emilie

Thank you so much for sharing your research.

As far as how you should proceed... what you should do is find your nearest
family history center and go order the film where you found the marriage
between Juan de la Rosa and Narcisa Acosta. Most likely they are your great
gg-grandparents. As you said, there are always mistakes but beyond that
people often changed back and forth between names during their lives.

In the original film, you should be able to find their padrinos and parents
and if you are lucky even their grandparents. This will open up a whole new
set of people in your tree. You can then use the film to search for other
people also potentially related to you. See list below.

As far as submitting a GEDCOM, let us know how technologically saavy you are
and we can send you instructions on how to get it into the database. First
step is to log on to the site and click on the GEDCOM menu item. This will
create an account for you in the GEDCOM database to which we can then link a
new tree for you to upload your data. Please make sure that all living
people are marked as such (or better yet eliminated) as we do not allow
living people's vital information on the site. The database automatically
hides living people's information if they are marked as such.

1. FLORENCIA ROSAS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Marriage: 02 MAY 1875 Fresnillo De Gonzalez Echeverria,
Zacatecas, Mexico
2. PAULA DE LA ROSA - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Marriage: 09 JAN 1869 Fresnillo De Gonzalez Echeverria,
Zacatecas, Mexico
3. YGNACIA DE LA ROSA - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Marriage: 26 MAY 1869 Fresnillo De Gonzalez Echeverria,
Zacatecas, Mexico
4. JACOBA ROSAS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Marriage: 23 NOV 1872 Fresnillo De Gonzalez Echeverria,
Zacatecas, Mexico
5. BLAZA DE LA ROSA - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Marriage: 26 OCT 1878 Fresnillo De Gonzalez Echeverria,
Zacatecas, Mexico
6. NOVERTA DE LA ROSA - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Marriage: 10 SEP 1870 Fresnillo De Gonzalez Echeverria,
Zacatecas, Mexico
7. CENOVIO DE LA ROSA - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 11 MAY 1878 Fresnillo De Gonzalez Echeverria,
Zacatecas, Mexico
8. PABLO DE LA ROSA - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 29 AUG 1874 Fresnillo De Gonzalez Echeverria,
Zacatecas, Mexico
9. CRISTOBAL DE LA ROSA - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 19 OCT 1881 Fresnillo De Gonzalez Echeverria,
Zacatecas, Mexico
10. TEOFILO DE LA ROSA - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 09 FEB 1878 Fresnillo De Gonzalez Echeverria,
Zacatecas, Mexico
11. PANTALEONA DE LA ROSA - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Marriage: 02 SEP 1874 Fresnillo De Gonzalez Echeverria,
Zacatecas, Mexico
12. TOMASA DE LA ROSA - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Marriage: 17 APR 1880 Fresnillo De Gonzalez Echeverria,
Zacatecas, Mexico
13. TOMASA ROSAS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Marriage: 07 JAN 1867 Fresnillo De Gonzalez Echeverria,
Zacatecas, Mexico
14. FELIPA DE LA ROSA - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Marriage: 20 JAN 1872 Fresnillo De Gonzalez Echeverria,
Zacatecas, Mexico
15. JOSEFA DE LA ROSA - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Marriage: 13 SEP 1876 Fresnillo De Gonzalez Echeverria,
Zacatecas, Mexico
16. YNES DE LA ROSA - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Marriage: 22 MAY 1874 Fresnillo De Gonzalez Echeverria,
Zacatecas, Mexico
17. PETRA DE LA ROSA - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Marriage: 28 JAN 1880 Fresnillo De Gonzalez Echeverria,
Zacatecas, Mexico
18. JUAN DE LA ROSA - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 28 OCT 1872 Fresnillo De Gonzalez Echeverria,
Zacatecas, Mexico
19. FELIX DE LA ROSA - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Marriage: 17 APR 1875 Fresnillo De Gonzalez Echeverria,
Zacatecas, Mexico

2006/9/25, mony7979 :
>
>
> I'm searching my father's line to Zacatecas, the name of my great
> grandmother was Ines de la Rosa Sandoval, all I know is that she was born in
> Fresnillo, Zacatecas around 1887-1889 (on the birth record of my grandfather
> said she was 36 by the time he was born -1925-)
> Her parents were Jose de la Rosa and Narcisa Sandoval, or so it said the
> birth record of my grandfather.
>
> I've searched the IGI and all I found was a marriage record of Juan de la
> Rosa + Narcisa Acosta, that it could be them since there are always mistakes
> like that. [28/10/1872 at Fresnillo de Gonzalez Echeverria,
> Zacatecas M600825 0439842 Dates 1866-1885]
>
> Do you have any ideas on how should I proceed with my searching? I'm not
> in Mexico wich make things difficult, therefore any idea will be welcomed!
>
> Thank you in advance!
>
> Monica
>
> PD I have a Gedcom file of my searching, but so far its more orientated to
> the north of Mexico, anyways I'll like to share it, how do i do it?
>
>

Muchisimas gracias por la informacion, Felipe. Le agradesco mucho; igual tal vez como John Gonzales, que tiene decendencia de los Tiscareno. Right, John? Without this group and its members I would not have learned so much about those place names of antiquity.

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA --USA --
----- Original Message -----
From: felipe reyes
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 7:36 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Morcinique, Aguascalientes

Emilie Garcia:

En la Geografía e Historia de Aguascalientes aparece "Morcinique", que
probablemente es una deformación de una palabra Nahuatl. En antiguos
escritos del S. XVII, aparece como vocablo con diversas deformaciones
(Mozilic, Morsenique, Cosilique). Está referido a un río que lleva aguas
desde la sierra de Guajolotes hasta el valle de Aguascalientes en donde se
une el Río San Pedro. En cartografía antigua no he encontrado una estancia
con ese nombre (Estancia de Morcinique), pero sí una muy antigua denominada
"Estancia de los Tiscareños" que, hacia el S. XVIII, lindaba con la gran
propiedad de la hacienda Jesuita de "Cieneguilla". Sobre ese río, que es
poco caudaloso y temporal, se encuentran poblaciones muy antiguas que
crecieron en trorno a la Hacienda de Gracias a Dios, Hacienda de Guadalupe,
Hacienda de San Ignacio y Hacienda Nueva. Poblaciones en las cuales se
registró una intensa vida social de familias muy localizadas como los Ruiz
de Esparza, Esparza, Tiscareño, Díaz de Tiscareño y Pedroza, entre otras.
Felipe Reyes Romo

_________________________________________________________________
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I have a tragedy in my genealogy research - before he died, my dad threw away a box full of documents and letters from family in Aguascalientes, from the period of the Revolution. This included safe conduct passes from my grandfather's bosses with names of the mines where he had worked, names of family members, etc etc, I thought it was a reasure trove, and before I could take it home my dad threw it all away, thinking it was worthless old papers. He had no sense of history.
John

AliceBB wrote:
John, I know exactly how you feel. I've recently started my genealogy research and hit nothing but brick walls! For whatever reason--political or family squabbles, it appears my mother: an intelligent, professional woman from a once prominent family (Onate), was misinformed as to where she was born! I thought I had hit the jackpot when I received the FHC microfilm for Villa Garcia, Zac. for the years before and after her birth, and she's not there! Neither are her two brothers. I've checked the town's 1930's census--no Onate's whatsoever. This family, like many others, lost their fortunes and family records, if any, in the revolution. Now I've ordered an Aguascalientes El Sagrario (the church where my ggrandfather is entombed) microfilm that covers 300 years. I wonder how long it's going to take to get through that one, working only a couple hours a week (the evening operating hours of my FHC)? I haven't contributed much to the site, not for lack of effort, but lack o
f any su
ccess. Any help from anyone would be greatly appreciated. Alice B. Blake

--- john9ten@pacbell.net wrote:

From: john robles
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Seriously Considering a PolicyChange/Seriamente en vista de un cambio policial
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 09:08:39 -0700 (PDT)

I for one am not sure how to share my info. Plus, I only have one generation in Mexico, and no siblings. The places my grandparents were born are not listed in the Ex Haciendas, and I haven't been able to make a connection yet. So I am not sure if I should quit or wait and see if someone hooks their info to mine!
Any pointers on how to get started in the group??
John Robles

Emilie Garcia wrote:
I am with you all the way, Linda. I just cannot understand the reluctance on the part of some to share their genealogical research. I have made so many new contacts with people that have helped me after I posted my information to WorldConnect via Ancestry World Tree or to the many message boards available. (Although if I knew how to upload gedcoms on my own I could have posted directly to WorldConnect thus bypassing Ancestry.com).
Ancestry.com allows me to use their online genealogy program Family Tree which is user friendly, and I don't have to buy a program for my computer where it could crash, etc.

I have given some folks new information (new to them) and vice versa, just as we have seen happen in this group. We help each other fill in the blanks and break down the brick walls, and it furthers the enthusiasm for this kind of work. I have instilled in many younger people the interest and passion for this. We are not going to live forever, so if I can help others this way, I consider I have done my part for posterity.

There are very few people who, after I have spent days doing their research at no charge whatsoever, don't at least e-mail me back to thank me and let me know they got and appreciate the information. I don't care. At least I feel gratified by the majority who do thank me, and who I know will continue the search. The agradecidos even hold family reunions and share all the info I gave them; I have reunited many clans this way. Some folks have lived in the same town for generations and never knew they were related.

How many instances have we seen where someone has done so much work, hoping to "one day" compile it into a copyrighted book, only to get ill and die before they accomplish it and have all that work languish in boxes in uninterested relatives' homes or where all that research is just destroyed? By uploading all my info to WorldConnect and to Nuestros Ranchos, I have left my work in a safe repository where no disaster in my home or to my computer or to me can touch it. I have not ever "stolen" anyone's information, only reviewed it for links to my ancestors. When I find a possible link, I do all the subsequent research myself by reviewing and obtaining copies of the actual records in order to be sure of the correctness of the info.

Thank you Joseph, Arturo, Linda, Jessica and all of you who do the best you can to put those names and places online (however skimpily) for the benefit of everyone.

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ----
----- Original Message -----
From: Erlinda Castanon-Long
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Seriously Considering a PolicyChange/Seriamente en vista de un cambio policial

I think it's a wonderful requirement to make posting what we want to share of our genealogy work. Some people like Jessica are new and learn from our research, others learn from the things we share about how to go abt finding and reading information. By requiring people to share it stops those who would only take and not share.. I'm sure there is something to be learned by all of us from each person who has agreed to work as part of this group.

Personally I like sharing whatever I have since I know time and money limits many people. Because of that I've posted my records of close to 38,000 names on ancestry world tree, the free site of Ancestry.com. I do know that they put them on their pay site too but my records are wasted if I hoard them for myself. I do understand that others make a living researching for others and may use and sell whatever I post, I'm okay with that.. as long as someone somewhere gets a chance to find and reclaim their family.. I'm just part of a chain that helps people from Mexico reclaim and remember their families.. just my opinion..

Linda in B.C.

Jessica Castaneda > wrote:
"I haven't submitted anything yet since I really haven't had time to do any
research. All I still know if what I submitted when I first subscribed. . I subscribed hoping to be able to add my information and be able to learn from others searching for ancestors in the same area. I have learned a lot just from reading the posts of members of the group and hope that I will not get the axe. I thank you for your patience with those of us that rarely enter into group conversation-and provide really no information on our "antepasados" although I can say for myself I enjoy learning from all of you."

Thanks- Jessica Castaneda

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Hello Alice!

Well, your Onate family tree members are as elusive as mine!
Please, could you elaborate more in antecedents you refer to, such why was prominent your mother´s family? whath profession she has?
Some legends run in the families through oral channels and it makes our search a more confussing one.

My father´s name is Nicolas Leon Oñate and he says that his gfather use to say that his own father was spaniard, till today I can´t prove nor disprove this saying.

In some films of Arandas and Jesus Maria, Jal. the baptism registry stablished that a child was español, or indio laborio, but it doesn´t mean they were spaniards but white skin creature with white skin parents in the case of españoles.

I have a Lino Oñate married to Maria Sixta Solis Alvarez, his son Francisco married Aurelia Aguirre, their daughter Maria Rosa marrie J. Miguel Leon (decendant of Cozyleon) and Nicolas, my father is their child.

There are many Oñate in San Pedro Piedra Gorda, Guanajuato, but in the films I look there were no parents, padrinos yes, but no parents, it is frustating!

Some times when one think or remember the legends or sayings in the family, like rewind and play in a recorder, one can hit foot with ball (dar pie con bola, darse cuenta, serendipity)

AliceBB escribió:
John, I know exactly how you feel. I've recently started my genealogy research and hit nothing but brick walls! For whatever reason--political or family squabbles, it appears my mother: an intelligent, professional woman from a once prominent family (Onate), was misinformed as to where she was born! I thought I had hit the jackpot when I received the FHC microfilm for Villa Garcia, Zac. for the years before and after her birth, and she's not there! Neither are her two brothers. I've checked the town's 1930's census--no Onate's whatsoever. This family, like many others, lost their fortunes and family records, if any, in the revolution. Now I've ordered an Aguascalientes El Sagrario (the church where my ggrandfather is entombed) microfilm that covers 300 years. I wonder how long it's going to take to get through that one, working only a couple hours a week (the evening operating hours of my FHC)? I haven't contributed much to the site, not for lack of effort, but lack o
f any su
ccess. Any help from anyone would be greatly appreciated. Alice B. Blake

--- john9ten@pacbell.net wrote:

From: john robles
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Seriously Considering a PolicyChange/Seriamente en vista de un cambio policial
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 09:08:39 -0700 (PDT)

I for one am not sure how to share my info. Plus, I only have one generation in Mexico, and no siblings. The places my grandparents were born are not listed in the Ex Haciendas, and I haven't been able to make a connection yet. So I am not sure if I should quit or wait and see if someone hooks their info to mine!
Any pointers on how to get started in the group??
John Robles

Emilie Garcia wrote:
I am with you all the way, Linda. I just cannot understand the reluctance on the part of some to share their genealogical research. I have made so many new contacts with people that have helped me after I posted my information to WorldConnect via Ancestry World Tree or to the many message boards available. (Although if I knew how to upload gedcoms on my own I could have posted directly to WorldConnect thus bypassing Ancestry.com).
Ancestry.com allows me to use their online genealogy program Family Tree which is user friendly, and I don't have to buy a program for my computer where it could crash, etc.

I have given some folks new information (new to them) and vice versa, just as we have seen happen in this group. We help each other fill in the blanks and break down the brick walls, and it furthers the enthusiasm for this kind of work. I have instilled in many younger people the interest and passion for this. We are not going to live forever, so if I can help others this way, I consider I have done my part for posterity.

There are very few people who, after I have spent days doing their research at no charge whatsoever, don't at least e-mail me back to thank me and let me know they got and appreciate the information. I don't care. At least I feel gratified by the majority who do thank me, and who I know will continue the search. The agradecidos even hold family reunions and share all the info I gave them; I have reunited many clans this way. Some folks have lived in the same town for generations and never knew they were related.

How many instances have we seen where someone has done so much work, hoping to "one day" compile it into a copyrighted book, only to get ill and die before they accomplish it and have all that work languish in boxes in uninterested relatives' homes or where all that research is just destroyed? By uploading all my info to WorldConnect and to Nuestros Ranchos, I have left my work in a safe repository where no disaster in my home or to my computer or to me can touch it. I have not ever "stolen" anyone's information, only reviewed it for links to my ancestors. When I find a possible link, I do all the subsequent research myself by reviewing and obtaining copies of the actual records in order to be sure of the correctness of the info.

Thank you Joseph, Arturo, Linda, Jessica and all of you who do the best you can to put those names and places online (however skimpily) for the benefit of everyone.

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ----
----- Original Message -----
From: Erlinda Castanon-Long
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Seriously Considering a PolicyChange/Seriamente en vista de un cambio policial

I think it's a wonderful requirement to make posting what we want to share of our genealogy work. Some people like Jessica are new and learn from our research, others learn from the things we share about how to go abt finding and reading information. By requiring people to share it stops those who would only take and not share.. I'm sure there is something to be learned by all of us from each person who has agreed to work as part of this group.

Personally I like sharing whatever I have since I know time and money limits many people. Because of that I've posted my records of close to 38,000 names on ancestry world tree, the free site of Ancestry.com. I do know that they put them on their pay site too but my records are wasted if I hoard them for myself. I do understand that others make a living researching for others and may use and sell whatever I post, I'm okay with that.. as long as someone somewhere gets a chance to find and reclaim their family.. I'm just part of a chain that helps people from Mexico reclaim and remember their families.. just my opinion..

Linda in B.C.

Jessica Castaneda > wrote:
"I haven't submitted anything yet since I really haven't had time to do any
research. All I still know if what I submitted when I first subscribed. . I subscribed hoping to be able to add my information and be able to learn from others searching for ancestors in the same area. I have learned a lot just from reading the posts of members of the group and hope that I will not get the axe. I thank you for your patience with those of us that rarely enter into group conversation-and provide really no information on our "antepasados" although I can say for myself I enjoy learning from all of you."

Thanks- Jessica Castaneda

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I am with you 100 percent. I think part of Joseph's frustration has been
that people joined and then we never heard from them. Nobody is expecting a
genealogical tree going back to the 1600s but in order for the group to be
useful, people need to provide at least the basic information that they have
on hand as well as what research they have done and sources they have
searched.

The information posted by Alice is a great example of what new members
should do soon after joining.

We are all here to help each other but if people do not share information,
the point of the group becomes moot.

I fully support Joseph's move to reduce his workload and restrict membership
a bit more. After all, the messages and archives are available without
membership so anyone who wants to peruse and look for general information
can do so without being a member.

I strongly encourage all of the new members to share whatever information
you have available as well as any questions you may have or brick walls that
you have run into. We all learn from helping each other.

2006/9/24, papagaia2 :
>
> I'm confused by all this that has been posted with reference to not
> knowing
> or not having the time... I have found that all one needs to do is post a
> message requesting help... and the flood gates open up, sending helpers
> rushing to one's aid...
>
> Maybe if we knew who the members were that needed help we/the group could
> help.
> Is it possible to make a listing of the individuals that have not
> submitted
> "at least something," ie: the names of their parents, the known area of
> research, any information that initially lead them to believe that
> NuestrosRanchos was the list group for them. If a pedigree is not posted
> how are we to know who needs help or even if there's a possible common
> ancestor.
> Sorry if I'm going in circles with this posting, or even being my
> outspoken
> self, but I feel that if an individual found this list group; went
> through
> the process of contacting the moderator and then following the
> instructions
> on how to beable to access the various files, they must have had some
> knowledge and desire to learn about their Mexican ancestors.
>
> Pat Silva Corbera
>
>
>
>

Pat,

thanks for the positive input that you have experienced in the Nuestros
Ranchos group. I wish I could do more, but . . .

great suggestion, BUT. . .I'm already strained with the work I'm
contributing to the NR group. This suggestion could only happen if I not
only get a volunteer for the first project I suggested, but also a
couple of more as the projects are lined up waiting to get done.

sorry but your project will have to wait until I find 2-3 voluteers to
take up some of the projects.

joseph

papagaia2 wrote:

>I'm confused by all this that has been posted with reference to not knowing
>or not having the time... I have found that all one needs to do is post a
>message requesting help... and the flood gates open up, sending helpers
>rushing to one's aid...
>
>Maybe if we knew who the members were that needed help we/the group could
>help.
>Is it possible to make a listing of the individuals that have not submitted
>"at least something," ie: the names of their parents, the known area of
>research, any information that initially lead them to believe that
>NuestrosRanchos was the list group for them. If a pedigree is not posted
>how are we to know who needs help or even if there's a possible common
>ancestor.
>Sorry if I'm going in circles with this posting, or even being my outspoken
>self, but I feel that if an individual found this list group; went through
>the process of contacting the moderator and then following the instructions
>on how to beable to access the various files, they must have had some
>knowledge and desire to learn about their Mexican ancestors.
>
>Pat Silva Corbera
>
>
>
>

Hi Emilie:

I have a reference to a "Estancia de Monseñique, Aguascalientes, Mexico.
Could this be the place that you are looking for?

This is the place where Lorenza Ruiz de Esparza married Capitan Luis
Tiscareño de Molina y Marquez 16 May 1623.

John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Emilie Garcia"
To:
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 11:02 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] A Place Name in Aguascalientes

>I wonder if anyone can help me with a place name in Aguascalientes.
>
> I have a baptism record here for my husband's ggggg-grandfather, baptized
> in Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes in 1748, but he was born in a place that
> looks like "Marinique". I don't find that place in the Diccionario
> Geografico, but when I Googled it, I came up with a "Marinique Resort" in
> Aguascalientes. However, when I entered the website, I couldn't find it
> listed. (It is a travel website).
>
> Has anyone encountered this place name before and/or have any idea where
> in Aguascalientes or other state it may have been in?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Emilie Garcia
> Port Orchard, WA ----

Does that mean us that are alread IN the group? This group is right
for me:) Marge:)
On Sep 24, 2006, at 3:52 PM, Joseph Puentes wrote:

>
> As of 09/23/2006 the Nuestros Ranchos group has started a new policy.
> The group is experiencing tremendous growth and that growth has forced
> the policy change.
>
> From now on to be a member of the group you must first send in a
> genealogy report showing your connection to either Jalisco, Zacatecas,
> and/or Aguascalientes. After I receive the report I will activate your
> account.
>
> If you are unsure about sending in your report I would suggest that you
> read through the message archives and see if this group is right for
> you.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Joseph Puentes - originating Moderator
>
> ps: Those of you that were subscribed to the list before 09/23/2006
> will
> be allowed to stay with the same deadline of 01-31-2007 to get your
> genealogy submitted. However I would very very much enjoy and be
> appreciative it you would just go ahead and send me a report in either
> "Word" or just in an email with your "representative" tree.
>
> I'll need the following info from you:
>
> 1) your name and Username and subscription email address (please don't
> email me from a different address and not identify yourself)\
> 2) The specific name of the file you are sending
> 3) The specific Ranchos in our target area of research that the file is
> associated with
>
> please don't forget that and please do try to get those to me soon, but
> as I said you really do have until 01-31-2007
>
>

For those of you, who need help help with preparing or compiling t your information, for your genealogy, just ask!!! There are many here in the group, including myself that would be willing to help you out.

Jonathan
jonathan@mexicanfhr.com