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AYUNTAMIENTO FILMS

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SALUDOS A TODOS:
Una vez mas les pido ayuda a mis primos mas sabios! What is Ayuntamiento in the city government? What is the purpose and how does it compare to what we have in the United States. Would there be any reason to view these films and how or what strategies would any researcher need to use and follow. Any and all guidance would be appreciated.

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Published by gnzlzspd – Mon, 2006-10-02 18:15 | Permalink

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Hi Yolanda:

I'll try to answer your question even though, I am sure , somebody else will
come up with a better one.
An "Ayuntamiento" is a city government, or city council. It keeps and
maintains the "Registro Civil" register of it's citizens.
Along with church records, this is a good place to look for marriage,
births, deaths, (defunciones) census, commercial licenses applications and
possibly a few other types of records. Records are normally kept at the
"Cabecera Municipal" or our equivalent would be like a County Seat.
This is a very simple answer to your question, but I'm sure it will give you
a better understanding of "Ayuntamiento" .

John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA.
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---- Original Message -----
From: "yolandamedinaperez"
To:
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 5:18 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] AYUNTAMIENTO FILMS

>
> SALUDOS A TODOS:
> Una vez mas les pido ayuda a mis primos mas sabios! What is
> Ayuntamiento in the city government? What is the purpose and how does it
> compare to what we have in the United States. Would there be any reason
> to view these films and how or what strategies would any researcher need
> to use and follow. Any and all guidance would be appreciated.
> Yolanda Medina Perez in El Paso.

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Yolanda

John has hit the nail on the head, Ayuntamiento is literally the city council or government of a municipality which in Mexico is more or less a condensed county... i.e. it contains a city with rural area around it (except of course in cases of metro areas where the large cities where the various municipalities have melded into each other...

The civil registry was first legislated in Mexico in the late 1800s as part of the many efforts to emasculate the Catholic Church and thus take away one of its main functions which was the registry of births, marriages and deaths. To this day a marriage conducted in a church in Mexico has no legal standing. Thus good Catholics go and get married at the town hall the day before their church wedding so that it is valid before the government and God...

Civil records tend to be much more lengthy than church ones... overcompensation perhaps to try to show that they were at least as good as the church ones. Many are missing from the years just before the revolution and the Cristero rebellions as city halls were prime targets of those wars.

There are decent land censuses and if existent, the birth and marriage records are at least as good as the church records. Many families continued to refuse to go before the civil registry for generations.

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Gracias Arturo and John for your reply.
This information I hope, will help me in my seach for those ancestors that like to play hide and seek, you know the ones. Do you have any ideas about searching thru a film. I saw what seemed to be hundreds of films at the UTEP library and it was mind boggling. Where do I begin? I rolled a film and saw such things as receipts for animals, payments for all kinds of things and I was lost. WHAT IS THIS, I wondered?
Yolanda

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Good Evening, Being new to genealogy and the group itself; I'd like to know how do you copy and scan films that you receive on loan at the FHC? Does one of the FHC volunteers do it for you? I just recently learned that you can email yourself an entry from a film, but I didn't think you could email the entire film! Since I can only visit the FHC for the couple of hours a week it's open in the evening, I have only enough time to go through the film quickly. It appears that until I have regular business hours to devote to my family search and network, I will continue to get nowhere. I started with practically no information such as dates, places, or even names, and eight carefully selected films later, I haven't progressed in my search. I read your emails referring to the location of direct and distantly related family members many generations removed, and I can't even find my mother's birth entry or stumble upon her brothers (whose names I don't know). Yes, I'm completely fr
ustrated
and amazed at how entire families can disappear. There must be something that I'm doing wrong, but I don't know what. Alice
--- mytmo@netnitco.net wrote:

From: Maureen Bejar
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Films
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 12:53:18 -0800 (PST)

Dear Arturo:
Thank you. Since not everyone goes into films, I will send a note of films I have coming and if anyone is interested, I would gladly copy and scan records for them. Don't worry, I will let you know if I come up with any more ideas. I will try to make sure next time that it will simplify your work :)

Published by oldcar53 – Mon, 2006-10-30 22:45 | Permalink

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From: AliceBB alicebb@netscape.com
Monday, October 30, 2006 Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Films

Good Evening, Being new to genealogy and the group itself; I'd like to know how do you copy and scan films that you receive on loan at the FHC?
Alice;

First of all it is very unlikely that you would scan the entire film as the only records you will want to copy are those that you believe are family or are linked to your family indirectly through marriage to a family member.

Once you find either marriage, baptism, census, death or other type of record on a film most family history centers have the capability to make a paper copy for which there will be a per copy charge. This charge will vary depending on your local FHC.

Some FHC's have digital copiers where you can download and copy to disk, floppy, or a flash drive. Another possibility is to bring your digital camera and photograph your record or records of interest and download the photos at your home to a hard drive, CD or flash drive.
I believe that Joseph has posted How to instructions on Nuestros Ranchos on how to take digital photos of microfilmed records.

I hope this answers some of your questions, if not, keep asking and someone will get it right......the people in this group are always ready and willing to help.

Since I can only visit the FHC for the couple of hours a week it's open in the evening, I have only enough time to go through the film quickly. It appears that until I have regular business hours to devote to my family search and network, I will continue to get nowhere. I started with practically no information such as dates, places, or even names, and eight carefully selected films later, I haven't progressed in my search. I read your emails referring to the location of direct and distantly related family members many generations removed, and I can't even find my mother's birth entry or stumble upon her brothers (whose names I don't know). Yes, I'm completely frustrated

Alice, I know it's hardest at the beginning when you have so little to work with but don't give up.......because once you find that first major discovery you will have the thrill of a lifetime. I wish you luck and look forward to hearing of your breakthrough in those brick walls.

Suerte;
Alicia Carrillo,
San Jose, Calif

and amazed at how entire families can disappear. There must be something that I'm doing wrong, but I don't know what. Alice

Published by alicebb – Mon, 2006-10-30 23:15 | Permalink

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Alicia, Thanks for the words of encouragement. I've gone through the Family History Catalog again and jotted down more film numbers that might contain useful information and now I have to wait for the evening when I can go to the FHC and order them. If I could only find my mother's birth entry. She grew up believing she was born in Aguascalientes, Aguas.,only to be told (at age 50) by an aunt that she was actually born in Villa Garcia, Zacatecas. I've gone through that film and didn't find her or her siblings. Now I'm beginning to believe she could have been wrong as to when she was born, too! I know the accuracy of records in Mexico is questionable. When my parents came to the states seventy years ago, they were told by the officials that if they were from Monterrey, the paperwork would be easier. So they agreed and somewhere out there it is stated that they were from Monterrey. Which was not true. One last thing...How do people download the films that I've gone throu
gh on th
e Nuestros Ranchos website? It's great to have those resources, but how does one contribute? Thanks again, Alice

--- alliecar@pacbell.net wrote:

From: Alicia Carrillo
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Films
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 21:34:57 -0800 (PST)

----- Original Message ----
From: AliceBB alicebb@netscape.com
Monday, October 30, 2006 Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Films

Good Evening, Being new to genealogy and the group itself; I'd like to know how do you copy and scan films that you receive on loan at the FHC?
Alice;

First of all it is very unlikely that you would scan the entire film as the only records you will want to copy are those that you believe are family or are linked to your family indirectly through marriage to a family member.

Once you find either marriage, baptism, census, death or other type of record on a film most family history centers have the capability to make a paper copy for which there will be a per copy charge. This charge will vary depending on your local FHC.

Some FHC's have digital copiers where you can download and copy to disk, floppy, or a flash drive. Another possibility is to bring your digital camera and photograph your record or records of interest and download the photos at your home to a hard drive, CD or flash drive.
I believe that Joseph has posted How to instructions on Nuestros Ranchos on how to take digital photos of microfilmed records.

I hope this answers some of your questions, if not, keep asking and someone will get it right......the people in this group are always ready and willing to help.

Since I can only visit the FHC for the couple of hours a week it's open in the evening, I have only enough time to go through the film quickly. It appears that until I have regular business hours to devote to my family search and network, I will continue to get nowhere. I started with practically no information such as dates, places, or even names, and eight carefully selected films later, I haven't progressed in my search. I read your emails referring to the location of direct and distantly related family members many generations removed, and I can't even find my mother's birth entry or stumble upon her brothers (whose names I don't know). Yes, I'm completely frustrated

Alice, I know it's hardest at the beginning when you have so little to work with but don't give up.......because once you find that first major discovery you will have the thrill of a lifetime. I wish you luck and look forward to hearing of your breakthrough in those brick walls.

Suerte;
Alicia Carrillo,
San Jose, Calif

and amazed at how entire families can disappear. There must be something that I'm doing wrong, but I don't know what. Alice

Published by arturoramos – Tue, 2006-10-31 09:03 | Permalink

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Alice:

Do you have your mother's parents' names and approximate birthdates?

If you are not sure where your mother was born, we can try to track down her parents and they may then lead us to her. It is more probable that her parents are in one of the LDS databases and therefore we can search across multiple municipalities and states for them.

If you can gather that info, I would be more than willing to try to track them down.

Published by Maureen Bejar – Tue, 2006-10-31 16:20 | Permalink

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Dear Alicia:
Thank you for answering Alice. Yes, this is exactly what I do. My LDS site has a microfilm printer. I am able to print copies of records for 10 cents each and then take them home and scan with my computer. We are not so fortunate to have the digital scans yet.

To Alice:
Do not be discouraged. I am unable to find the birth or marriage records for my husband's grandmother and grandfather. I have their parents and grandparents, brothers and sister's but have not found them yet. They are listed as patrons on baptisms and their own children's baptisms. I am getting the Valle de Guadalupe records to try to pinpoint their marriage year by the baptism of their oldest child. I also know Catarina's approximate age as it was listed on one of the baptisms where she was a patron. Sometimes other family member's records will give you clues. For instance I found my great great grandfather's parents names by looking at a marriage registration of his brother. I am unable to find my great great grandfather's marriage, but I have a film ordered with my great great grandmother's sisters' marriages and hope her marriage may also be on this film. I know who the sisters married names as they were listed on their father's will. One time I approximated my great grandfather's death by looking at his son's and daughter's marriages, which listed whether the father is deceased. My point is, sometimes different types of records from other family members will lead you to or give you clues to the one you are searching. Happy hunting!

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Wow John, that was a great answer! That taught me a lot too! People on this site are so generous with their knowledge...

John Gonzalez <1gnzlz@verizon.net> wrote: Hi Yolanda:

I'll try to answer your question even though, I am sure , somebody else will
come up with a better one.
An "Ayuntamiento" is a city government, or city council. It keeps and
maintains the "Registro Civil" register of it's citizens.
Along with church records, this is a good place to look for marriage,
births, deaths, (defunciones) census, commercial licenses applications and
possibly a few other types of records. Records are normally kept at the
"Cabecera Municipal" or our equivalent would be like a County Seat.
This is a very simple answer to your question, but I'm sure it will give you
a better understanding of "Ayuntamiento" .

John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA.
======================================================================================================
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---- Original Message -----
From: "yolandamedinaperez"
To:
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 5:18 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] AYUNTAMIENTO FILMS

>
> SALUDOS A TODOS:
> Una vez mas les pido ayuda a mis primos mas sabios! What is
> Ayuntamiento in the city government? What is the purpose and how does it
> compare to what we have in the United States. Would there be any reason
> to view these films and how or what strategies would any researcher need
> to use and follow. Any and all guidance would be appreciated.
> Yolanda Medina Perez in El Paso.

Batch numbers for LDS films

Published by romero89 –
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When researching my family in SLC some years back, I copied the film
number (eg. 0218487, pg. 310, 311) for my reference records. I see
now that in order to add this film to our website film list, I must

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Published by arturoramos – Mon, 2006-10-30 19:42 | Permalink

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Linda:

The films database serves two functions:

1. Let members know what films other members have on indefinite loan

2. Provide batch numbers so that members can do batch searches simply by knowing the relevant municipality and dates... the VRI or IGI buttons link directly to the familysearch.org website.

Do you have these films on indefinite loan at your local family history center and would you be willing to do sporadic lookups for people in the group? If so, you can enter them without the batch number.

If you do not have the films on indefinite loan, then yes, you should enter batch numbers, otherwise we are simply duplicating information already in the Family History Library catalog.

There is no simple way of getting batch numbers and many films do not have batch numbers (if they have not been extracted). However, if you have a specific name and date in a town, you can enter that search in familysearch.org and when the record comes up it will list the batch number for the film.

Surnames

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So, Francisca was born Francisca Cabral (father's name) Figueroa (mother's
name). Alberto was born Alberto Martin Del Campo (father's name) Robles
(mother's name). When they married, Francisca then became Francisca Cabral

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Published by oldcar53 – Mon, 2006-10-30 14:30 | Permalink

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----- Original Message ----
From: Corrine Ardoin
Surnames

Francisca was born Francisca Cabral (father's name) Figueroa (mother's
name).
Francisca would be at birth, Francisca Cabral, Figueroa.

Alberto was born Alberto Martin Del Campo (father's name) Robles
(mother's name).
Alberto at birth would be Alberto Martin del Campo, Robles

When they married, Francisca then became Francisca Cabral
Martin Del Campo.
When Francisca Cabral, Figueroa married Alberto Martin del Campo Robles, she would become Francisca Cabral, Figueroa de Martin del Campo.

When a woman marries, she retains both of her birth surnames and appends her husbands surname to both of her surnames but to show that she is married into this family she becomes of the house of or (de) Martin del Campo, thus the de between her surnames and her husband's surname.

Remember that neither husband or wife ever drop their paternal or maternal surnames. The wife will append her husband's surname to her birth surnames and add de which means of ,to denote that she has married this man, she is now the wife of Mr. Martin del Campo

Alicia
San Jose, Calif

Right? Which now helps me to make sense of her grave
headstone in Guadalajara, which reads: Francisca Cabral Oct. 20 de 1936.
Now, her mother was born Pioquinta Gonzalez Figueroa and married Benigno
Cabral, who was a Portuguese merchant sailor. So, she then became Pioquinta Gonzales
Figueroa de Cabral. Right? Family photos give their names as Francisca Cabral
and Pioquinta Gonzalez. My mother only recently found out that Pioquinta's
last name was Figueroa, so that is what has caused me additional confusion,
which only research will clear up, I think.

Corrine Ardoin

Films on permanent by Members

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I am new so excuse me, but if I want at least one and possibly a total of six records from a San Diego De Alejandria that is on the film list, whom do I contact? Thanks.

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Published by arturoramos – Sun, 2006-10-29 16:50 | Permalink

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Maureen:

Not all of the films in the films database are on indefinite loan to members. The database serves two purposes. The first is simply to provide an easy way to search the LDS databases by municipality and date... the database provides batch numbers and a direct link to familysearch.org simply by clicking an "IGI" or "VRI" button next to a film. The second purpose, which is to show which films are on permanent loan applies only when there is a name next to the film name. If there is no name, that means that someone has simply entered the batch number to the film but does not have it on indefinite loan.

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Thank you for the info! I have a suggestion. Could we also have a section for films member are ordering for short term? For example, I have two films from Valle de Guadalupe on order and they should be here sometime in November. I would be happy to copy a few records for members, if anyone wants records from these films. There are deaths 1904-1942 1151042 and baptisms 1904-1916
1151036. I could then scan the documents. If we had a list of films members
are ordering and are willing to share information with others who may need the same film, we would save time and money. Work as a group. Has this been tried before and would the LDS frown on us for doing something like this?

Published by Maureen Bejar – Mon, 2006-10-30 07:18 | Permalink

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Dear Joseph:
I am sorry, I did not realize that this would cause extra work on your volunteer force. In the excitement of an idea you never think of that! If I had any programming skills I would be happy to do this. Alas, I have none. But anyway, the offer still stands for the Valle de Guadalupe tapes and I will post other tapes as I order them. It is usually one or two every few months.

Published by arturoramos – Mon, 2006-10-30 10:48 | Permalink

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Maureen:

I think the database can accomodate what you are looking to do without requiring any reprogramming. You can put your name in as a borrower, even if you don't have it on permanent loan and pehaps just anotate with the date when it will go back. You can then simply go back into the database when the date comes and delete your name as a borrower.

What is probably more helpful (and can be done in addition to the above), given that not everyone is always in the Films database would be for you to simply send a message to the group stating that you have ordered such and such films and if anyone needs records from them you are willing to accomodate their requests.

Thank you for your input. Definitely don't hold back on your ideas. We may not be able to implement all of them but hearing them is invaluable.

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Dear Arturo:
Thank you. Since not everyone goes into films, I will send a note of films I have coming and if anyone is interested, I would gladly copy and scan records for them. Don't worry, I will let you know if I come up with any more ideas. I will try to make sure next time that it will simplify your work :)

Published by makas_nc – Mon, 2006-10-30 14:30 | Permalink

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Arturo answered much more elegantly than I. . .keep the ideas coming.
thanks for the suggestions.

joseph

Maureen Bejar wrote:
> Dear Joseph:
> I am sorry, I did not realize that this would cause extra work on your volunteer force. In the excitement of an idea you never think of that! If I had any programming skills I would be happy to do this. Alas, I have none. But anyway, the offer still stands for the Valle de Guadalupe tapes and I will post other tapes as I order them. It is usually one or two every few months.

Published by makas_nc – Mon, 2006-10-30 14:30 | Permalink

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this is possible but I don't think it is doable because it would add
extra burden to all the work (volunteer work I should add) that Arturo
has already done. Now if others in the group with programing skills were
interested in this project (me = no programing skills) I see possibilities.

LDS would not frown on us doing look ups for each other.

working as a group is the whole reason I built the original Ranchos
group back in 02'

joseph

Maureen Bejar wrote:
> Thank you for the info! I have a suggestion. Could we also have a section for films member are ordering for short term? For example, I have two films from Valle de Guadalupe on order and they should be here sometime in November. I would be happy to copy a few records for members, if anyone wants records from these films. There are deaths 1904-1942 1151042 and baptisms 1904-1916
> 1151036. I could then scan the documents. If we had a list of films members
> are ordering and are willing to share information with others who may need the same film, we would save time and money. Work as a group. Has this been tried before and would the LDS frown on us for doing something like this?

Wills from San Miguel El Alto and Valle de Guadalupe

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Could anyone advise me on where to find Wills for these two cities? I have not found any microfilms on this information yet. Also, land records? I know some lines I am researching owned land. I have looked at the Fort Wayne Indiana genealogy library, but they did not have many Mexican records.

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Published by makas_nc – Mon, 2006-10-30 14:30 | Permalink

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well the wills are in the Notario Records as far as I know, but this
will be a difficult bit of research. I wish they were cataloged better:

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.as…

if the above URL wraps to the next line you might have to rebuild the
URL in your web browser

or you can do a "place" search for guadalajara and then click on the
Mexico, Jalisco, Guadalajara link and then on the

México, Jalisco, Guadalajara - Notarial records link,

happy hunting and please please do let us know what you find if you
start searching any of those films,

joseph

Maureen Bejar wrote:
> Could anyone advise me on where to find Wills for these two cities? I have not found any microfilms on this information yet. Also, land records? I know some lines I am researching owned land. I have looked at the Fort Wayne Indiana genealogy library, but they did not have many Mexican records. Thanks for any guidance! Hoping for information from the Internet or in the midwest.

Published by arturoramos – Sun, 2006-10-29 16:56 | Permalink

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Maureen:

Land records, particularly from the 17th century or earlier will most likely be at the state archives of Jalisco, which means either the Biblioteca Publica del Estado de Jalisco or the Archivo Historico del Estado de Jalisco.

http://archivohistorico.jalisco.gob.mx/index.html

I have not been to either but I know that for Totatiche and Villa Guerrero, all of the original land grant records exist and are in the latter collection.

As for wills, there are several possibilities and I have not yet been able to locate the ones for the region I am researching (Tlaltenango, Jerez, Colotlan) so these are simply stabs in the dark based on what I have been told. Notarios (notaries) would be assigned by jurisdiccion, so likely there was one for the San Miguel area in any given period. They would usually work out of larger market towns and the records may be in the municipal archives of that town. They may also be in the state archives.

Then there is the possibility that the wills were drawn up by ecclesiastical notaries in which case they would likely have been sent to Guadalajara. There are certainly rolls and rolls of films in the Archdiocese archives of notarial records.

The problem here is that the records are organized by notary, so you would have to know who was the functioning notary for the given region in the given time period.

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Dear Joseph and Arturo:
Wow you two are fast! I asked the questions, went downstairs to make my husband some hot chocolate and banana bread and come back to the computer and I have my answers already. Thank you so much.

I have a wish list of films I want to order and as soon as I have a couple of death dates, I will look into the notaries. I had not come across the list of notaries in LDS. I am so thankful. I will check out the archivo historico also.

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The Archivo Historico del Estado de Jalisco has recently updated their notaries / escribanos records catalog. The latter day notaries are actually listed by town. I recognize some of the earlier period (17th Century) notaries from some other record sources such as Nicolas Covarrubias who was functioning in Zacatecas so that means that the Jalisco archives have notarial records for all of what used to be Nueva Galicia...

http://archivohistorico.jalisco.gob.mx/pdf/gu%EDa%20de%20notarios.PDF

Robles/Martinez family album

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For those who enjoy old family pictures, I have uploaded some to an album called Robles/Martinez fam. of Aguascalientes which is located under the Members' and meetings album on the website.
John R

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Published by makas_nc – Thu, 2006-10-26 16:00 | Permalink

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john robles wrote:
> For those who enjoy old family pictures, I have uploaded some to an album called Robles/Martinez fam. of Aguascalientes which is located under the Members' and meetings album on the website.
> John Robles

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I didn't know you had family there! If they worked on Limoneira there is a good chance our families did know each other. How cool it would be if we had a 'family connection'!
John

Joseph Puentes wrote:
john robles wrote:
> For those who enjoy old family pictures, I have uploaded some to an album called Robles/Martinez fam. of Aguascalientes which is located under the Members' and meetings album on the website.
> John Robles

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Those are very interesting pictures John and Joseph. Joseph, there is a caption on one of your group pictures. What does it say? What was the event and history of it? This seems to be an important historical photo of a Mexican community.

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Puentes
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 3:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Robles/Martinez family album

john robles wrote:
> For those who enjoy old family pictures, I have uploaded some to an album called Robles/Martinez fam. of Aguascalientes which is located under the Members' and meetings album on the website.
> John Robles

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well don't really know, some kind of festival related to the Mexican
Consulate of Los Angeles but it took place in the Limonera Ranch in Dec
1923.

if you really want to know ask the Santa Paula historical society. I
sent them a copy of the picture but never heard much back from them.

as far as I know I don't have any Robles or Martinez in my family, but i
think it would be sooo cool just to know that my family and John's
family might have been good friends or at least known each other.

joseph

ps: I wish my Aunt Julia was alive as she was the one that I could have
asked.

Emilie Garcia wrote:
> Those are very interesting pictures John and Joseph. Joseph, there is a caption on one of your group pictures. What does it say? What was the event and history of it? This seems to be an important historical photo of a Mexican community.
>
> Emilie Garcia
> Port Orchard, WA ---
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joseph Puentes
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 3:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Robles/Martinez family album
>
>
> john robles wrote:
> > For those who enjoy old family pictures, I have uploaded some to an album called Robles/Martinez fam. of Aguascalientes which is located under the Members' and meetings album on the website.
> > John Robles
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> Wow John. Your family and my family might have known each other real
> well in Santa Paula. I've uploaded a picture from Santa Paula in 1923
> that has my Dad (Antonio Puentes, soldier with hair strand in his face
> #5 from left in pic 1) and Uncle Manuel and Uncle Martin (Soldier
> holding flag buried in crowd in pic #2) in it Plus the whole rest of the
> Limonera community. Look close because your family might be in this
> picture. . .good chance. http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15182
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I agree, it would be cool to know that the families knew each other. Both being in ranch work they probably did. My dad and my grandfather worked at Limoneira for a time, as well as the Pressey ranch, and many other ranches and orchards in this area.
By the way Joseph, you now have an 'in' with the SP historical society. My partner's mom is their archivist now and she currently has a bunch of old pic at her home that she is scanning and digitizing. I have been able to look at lotsa cool old time Santa Paula pics.
John

Joseph Puentes wrote:
well don't really know, some kind of festival related to the Mexican
Consulate of Los Angeles but it took place in the Limonera Ranch in Dec
1923.

if you really want to know ask the Santa Paula historical society. I
sent them a copy of the picture but never heard much back from them.

as far as I know I don't have any Robles or Martinez in my family, but i
think it would be sooo cool just to know that my family and John's
family might have been good friends or at least known each other.

joseph

ps: I wish my Aunt Julia was alive as she was the one that I could have
asked.

Emilie Garcia wrote:
> Those are very interesting pictures John and Joseph. Joseph, there is a caption on one of your group pictures. What does it say? What was the event and history of it? This seems to be an important historical photo of a Mexican community.
>
> Emilie Garcia
> Port Orchard, WA ---
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joseph Puentes
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 3:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Robles/Martinez family album
>
>
> john robles wrote:
> > For those who enjoy old family pictures, I have uploaded some to an album called Robles/Martinez fam. of Aguascalientes which is located under the Members' and meetings album on the website.
> > John Robles
> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> > Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List
> >
> > To post, send email to:
> > general(at)nuestrosranchos.org
> >
> > To change your subscription, log on to:
> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
> >
> >
> >
> Wow John. Your family and my family might have known each other real
> well in Santa Paula. I've uploaded a picture from Santa Paula in 1923
> that has my Dad (Antonio Puentes, soldier with hair strand in his face
> #5 from left in pic 1) and Uncle Manuel and Uncle Martin (Soldier
> holding flag buried in crowd in pic #2) in it Plus the whole rest of the
> Limonera community. Look close because your family might be in this
> picture. . .good chance. http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15182
>
> joseph
>
>
>

Comment

I have a digital copy of that picture where I spliced the three parts
together. Ask your partner if I should send that copy along.

joseph

===================

Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

john robles wrote:
> I agree, it would be cool to know that the families knew each other. Both being in ranch work they probably did. My dad and my grandfather worked at Limoneira for a time, as well as the Pressey ranch, and many other ranches and orchards in this area.
> By the way Joseph, you now have an 'in' with the SP historical society. My partner's mom is their archivist now and she currently has a bunch of old pic at her home that she is scanning and digitizing. I have been able to look at lotsa cool old time Santa Paula pics.
> John
>
>
>
> Joseph Puentes wrote:
> well don't really know, some kind of festival related to the Mexican
> Consulate of Los Angeles but it took place in the Limonera Ranch in Dec
> 1923.
>
> if you really want to know ask the Santa Paula historical society. I
> sent them a copy of the picture but never heard much back from them.
>
> as far as I know I don't have any Robles or Martinez in my family, but i
> think it would be sooo cool just to know that my family and John's
> family might have been good friends or at least known each other.
>
> joseph
>
> ps: I wish my Aunt Julia was alive as she was the one that I could have
> asked.
>
>
>
> Emilie Garcia wrote:
>
>> Those are very interesting pictures John and Joseph. Joseph, there is a caption on one of your group pictures. What does it say? What was the event and history of it? This seems to be an important historical photo of a Mexican community.
>>
>> Emilie Garcia
>> Port Orchard, WA ---
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Joseph Puentes
>> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
>> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 3:53 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Robles/Martinez family album
>>
>>
>> john robles wrote:
>>
>>> For those who enjoy old family pictures, I have uploaded some to an album called Robles/Martinez fam. of Aguascalientes which is located under the Members' and meetings album on the website.
>>> John Robles
>>> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
>>> Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List
>>>
>>> To post, send email to:
>>> general(at)nuestrosranchos.org
>>>
>>> To change your subscription, log on to:
>>> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Wow John. Your family and my family might have known each other real
>> well in Santa Paula. I've uploaded a picture from Santa Paula in 1923
>> that has my Dad (Antonio Puentes, soldier with hair strand in his face
>> #5 from left in pic 1) and Uncle Manuel and Uncle Martin (Soldier
>> holding flag buried in crowd in pic #2) in it Plus the whole rest of the
>> Limonera community. Look close because your family might be in this
>> picture. . .good chance. http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15182
>>
>> joseph
>>
>>
>>

Comment

Hi
Was the picture originally one or was it always in three parts?
J

Joseph Puentes wrote:
I have a digital copy of that picture where I spliced the three parts
together. Ask your partner if I should send that copy along.

joseph

===================

Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

john robles wrote:
> I agree, it would be cool to know that the families knew each other. Both being in ranch work they probably did. My dad and my grandfather worked at Limoneira for a time, as well as the Pressey ranch, and many other ranches and orchards in this area.
> By the way Joseph, you now have an 'in' with the SP historical society. My partner's mom is their archivist now and she currently has a bunch of old pic at her home that she is scanning and digitizing. I have been able to look at lotsa cool old time Santa Paula pics.
> John
>
>
>
> Joseph Puentes wrote:
> well don't really know, some kind of festival related to the Mexican
> Consulate of Los Angeles but it took place in the Limonera Ranch in Dec
> 1923.
>
> if you really want to know ask the Santa Paula historical society. I
> sent them a copy of the picture but never heard much back from them.
>
> as far as I know I don't have any Robles or Martinez in my family, but i
> think it would be sooo cool just to know that my family and John's
> family might have been good friends or at least known each other.
>
> joseph
>
> ps: I wish my Aunt Julia was alive as she was the one that I could have
> asked.
>
>
>
> Emilie Garcia wrote:
>
>> Those are very interesting pictures John and Joseph. Joseph, there is a caption on one of your group pictures. What does it say? What was the event and history of it? This seems to be an important historical photo of a Mexican community.
>>
>> Emilie Garcia
>> Port Orchard, WA ---
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Joseph Puentes
>> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
>> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 3:53 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Robles/Martinez family album
>>
>>
>> john robles wrote:
>>
>>> For those who enjoy old family pictures, I have uploaded some to an album called Robles/Martinez fam. of Aguascalientes which is located under the Members' and meetings album on the website.
>>> John Robles
>>> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
>>> Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List
>>>
>>> To post, send email to:
>>> general(at)nuestrosranchos.org
>>>
>>> To change your subscription, log on to:
>>> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Wow John. Your family and my family might have known each other real
>> well in Santa Paula. I've uploaded a picture from Santa Paula in 1923
>> that has my Dad (Antonio Puentes, soldier with hair strand in his face
>> #5 from left in pic 1) and Uncle Manuel and Uncle Martin (Soldier
>> holding flag buried in crowd in pic #2) in it Plus the whole rest of the
>> Limonera community. Look close because your family might be in this
>> picture. . .good chance. http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15182
>>
>> joseph
>>
>>
>>

Jauregui

Published by Yolanda –
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History, Culture and General Discussion

Hello, I'm Yolanda. I'm working on my motherside of
the family.
My Grandfather Pedro Jauregui was born 1892 at La
Estancia Zacatecas. I believe it's just outside of
Aguascalientes. His father was Rosalio Jauregui.

Comments

Published by Maureen Bejar – Sat, 2006-10-28 11:01 | Permalink

Comment

Dear Yolanda:
I do not have any matches, but to Alice I have some Ruvalcabas that I have not linked to my line which married into the Jauregui line. I will post my file sometime this week and you may look at it.

Maureen

Published by Yolanda – Mon, 2006-10-30 14:30 | Permalink

Comment

Hi Maureen. I haven't been online for awhile. I'm going to school and the homework is something else.
I need to make my file to send. I will try during a break in school. I believe there are a few that I'm connected to and it's to exciting. We will just have to see if we are connected. The places you mentioned I never hear of but you never know. Nice to meet you.

Yolie
Pray, Hope, Don't Worry

----- Original Message ----
From: Maureen Bejar
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 1:01:53 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jauregui

Dear Yolanda:
I do not have any matches, but to Alice I have some Ruvalcabas that I have not linked to my line which married into the Jauregui line. I will post my file sometime this week and you may look at it.

Maureen

Published by Maureen Bejar – Sat, 2006-10-28 10:21 | Permalink

Comment

I apologize, I started a new thread. Forgive me I am new at this. So I also copied my comment to this thread also.

Yolanda:
I am researching Jauregui (Jaurequi, as well as many other variations) My Jauregui's were in San Miguel El Alto records and also Valle de Guadalupe. I have two microfilms coming from the LDS for Valle de Guadalupe, Births 1904-1916 and deaths 1904-1942. If anyone wants me to look for anything in those files, let me know.

I go through the files entry by entry as I have found that the indexes are sometimes incomplete and there are sometimes bonus files outside the LDS dates listed and also I have sometimes pieced together families by looking at the grandparents names and the patrons names on the baptism. Note also, I have found that sometimes LDS microfilms on their online database have only been partially put into the database. So if you are looking online at LDS beware of this. San Miguel El Alto microfilm 0279430 and Batch C603299, I found about half of that film was not online. I know this by trying to search for the records I had found from this film in the online database to make sure I was deciphering the names correctly. So if you are looking through the batches online to view everyone on that film be aware of this. If you do not know how to view entries on a microfilm online by clicking on the batch, let me know and I will send instructions.

I have just started adding my research to the file folders. I do my initial research in Excel and then enter them into a GEDCOM family file. I must convert from Excel to Word without messing up my file too much!!! I prefer entering into Excel files as searching is easier and I can extend the lines almost indefintely. I will check out some of my Jaurequis and try to download that file next for you. I will let you know in the meantime if we have any matches.

Published by Pat Silva Corbera – Sun, 2006-07-02 18:32 | Permalink

Comment

In my search for my husband's Corvera/Corbera ancestors I came upon a Maria Franca. Corbera Jaurequi, bpt. 26 Sept 1835
Sagraria De San Miguel, Culiacan, Sinaloa. Reference:
K600457 1831-1838 Film # 0665431.
Pat Silva Corbera

Published by oldcar53 – Fri, 2006-06-30 18:00 | Permalink

Comment

Yoli,

My Grandmother Maria Rauno was also born 1890 at La
Estancia Zacatecas. Her parents were C.Canuto Rauno.
Her Mother I believe was Maria Ulloa.

I found on the IGI these two siblings of your grandmother, Maria Ruano Ulloa. Now all you have to do is go to your local or closest family history center and order matrimonial film # 0226675 for Nochistlan, Zacatecas. See below. and if I take the time to really scan the IGI, I may find more information but here is your opportunity to try it for yourself and feel the thrill of finding your ancestors.

How do you find your local family history center you ask? go to www.familysearch.org, there are 4 tabs on the top of the page titled; HOME SEARCH SHARE LIBRARY, click on library.
On this page you will see just below those 4 tabs where it says; FAMILY HISTORY CENTERS, click on that.

Proceed to fill out the form titled, FIND A FAMILY HISTORY CENTER NEAR YOU. Once you have filled this out it will provide you with your nearest center and the days and hours it's open the address and phone number. You go in and fill out a form requesting your specific films from Salt Lake City, Utah. Depending on your center, the cost to order each roll of film will be $5.50 to $5.75. Also depending on your center it can take from a week to a month to receive the film. You have 4 weeks to view this roll and after 4 weeks you decide if you want to renew it or not. The records on each roll of film are for the most part chronological in order.

There are several ways you can record data from these rolls of film. You can make a photocopy of the document and at my center the cost is .25 cents per copy, It might be different at other centers. You can also use your digital camera to photograph your records and then edit and download to disk or print a copy of each record found. You can also record your data by filling out a form with all the pertinent information. Nuestros Ranchos has forms thanks to one of our very experienced members Kitty Cortez with blank spaces for all the pertinent information. See the forms section of the Nuestros Ranchos website.

Next you have to decide what software you will use to record your data so that you can eventually share it with others. You can download the free PAF software from www.familysearch.org or you can search out other genealogy software. Other people in this group are better qualified than me to make recommendations about software.

Buena Suerte,
Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo
San Jose, Ca

JOSE SEVERIANO RUANO ULLOA
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 28 AUG 1871 Nochistlan, Zacatecas, Mexico

Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: CANUTO RUANO Family
Mother: MARIA ULLOA

Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

J606253 1870 - 1873 0226675 Film NONE

JOSE PEDRO RUANO ULLOA
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 20 OCT 1872 Nochistlan, Zacatecas, Mexico

Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: CANUTO RUANO Family
Mother: MARIA ULLOA

Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

J606253 1870 - 1873 0226675 Film NONE

Comment

I am interested in La Estancia to which reference has been made in these
e-mails.

My grandfather Jose Pedro Rodriguez was born in La Estancia in 1883
according to his birth record and my grandmother, Maria Ulloa, his wife, was
born in 1888 in, we believe, Nochistlan although I wouldn't rule out any
other place. They had at least 16 common ancestors and had many ancestors
listed in Jose Luis Vasquez y Rodriguez de Frias' book.

My mother, their daughter, was told her father's birth place was La Estancia
and it wasn't until I read Clotilde Quiralte's book that I found out there
were La Estancias de los etc. This is not much information, no doubt, but
how can I find the complete name of La Estancia, at least the one where my
grandfather was born.

Charles Clark

Comment

Charles,
Are you related to Maria Hilaria Andrade, bapt 15 Jan 1875 Nochistlan, (married to Jose Fernando Perez) if so then you and my husband are related.

Maria Hilaria is my husband's maternal grandmother. Their daughter, Maria Refugio Perez b. 4 July 1903 Rancho Jabonera, Nochistlan married Florentino Corbera on 28 April 1924 in Dinuba, Tulare Co. California.
Pat Silva Corbera

Charles Clark wrote:
I am interested in La Estancia to which reference has been made in these
e-mails.

My grandfather Jose Pedro Rodriguez was born in La Estancia in 1883
according to his birth record and my grandmother, Maria Ulloa, his wife, was
born in 1888 in, we believe, Nochistlan although I wouldn't rule out any
other place. They had at least 16 common ancestors and had many ancestors
listed in Jose Luis Vasquez y Rodriguez de Frias' book.

My mother, their daughter, was told her father's birth place was La Estancia
and it wasn't until I read Clotilde Quiralte's book that I found out there
were La Estancias de los etc. This is not much information, no doubt, but
how can I find the complete name of La Estancia, at least the one where my
grandfather was born.

Charles Clark

Comment

Yolie,
Charles Clark made mention of Clotilde Quiralte's book. Sorry I don't know the title of it.
Pat

yolie wilkerson wrote:
Patricia. What is the title of Clotilde Quiralte's
book.
Yolanda

Comment

Nochistlan de Zacatecas

----- Original Message -----
From: "yolie wilkerson"
To:
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 9:05 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Maria Ruano's siblings

> Patricia. What is the title of Clotilde Quiralte's
> book.
> Yolanda
>
> --- Patricia Corbera wrote:
>
>> Charles,
>> Are you related to Maria Hilaria Andrade, bapt 15
>> Jan 1875 Nochistlan, (married to Jose Fernando
>> Perez) if so then you and my husband are related.
>>
>> Maria Hilaria is my husband's maternal
>> grandmother. Their daughter, Maria Refugio Perez b.
>> 4 July 1903 Rancho Jabonera, Nochistlan married
>> Florentino Corbera on 28 April 1924 in Dinuba,
>> Tulare Co. California.
>> Pat Silva Corbera
>>
>>
>> Charles Clark wrote:
>> I am interested in La Estancia to which reference
>> has been made in these
>> e-mails.
>>
>> My grandfather Jose Pedro Rodriguez was born in La
>> Estancia in 1883
>> according to his birth record and my grandmother,
>> Maria Ulloa, his wife, was
>> born in 1888 in, we believe, Nochistlan although I
>> wouldn't rule out any
>> other place. They had at least 16 common ancestors
>> and had many ancestors
>> listed in Jose Luis Vasquez y Rodriguez de Frias'
>> book.
>>
>> My mother, their daughter, was told her father's
>> birth place was La Estancia
>> and it wasn't until I read Clotilde Quiralte's book
>> that I found out there
>> were La Estancias de los etc. This is not much
>> information, no doubt, but
>> how can I find the complete name of La Estancia, at
>> least the one where my
>> grandfather was born.
>>
>> Charles Clark
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Alicia Carrillo"
>> To:
>> Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 5:48 PM
>> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Maria Ruano's siblings
>>
>>
>> > Yoli,
>> >
>> > My Grandmother Maria Rauno was also born 1890 at
>> La
>> > Estancia Zacatecas. Her parents were C.Canuto
>> Rauno.
>> > Her Mother I believe was Maria Ulloa.
>> >
>> > I found on the IGI these two siblings of your
>> grandmother, Maria Ruano
>> > Ulloa. Now all you have to do is go to your local
>> or closest family
>> > history center and order matrimonial film #
>> 0226675 for Nochistlan,
>> > Zacatecas. See below. and if I take the time to
>> really scan the IGI, I may
>> > find more information but here is your opportunity
>> to try it for yourself
>> > and feel the thrill of finding your ancestors.
>> >
>> > How do you find your local family history center
>> you ask? go to
>> > www.familysearch.org, there are 4 tabs on the top
>> of the page titled; HOME
>> > SEARCH SHARE LIBRARY, click on library.
>> > On this page you will see just below those 4 tabs
>> where it says; FAMILY
>> > HISTORY CENTERS, click on that.
>> >
>> > Proceed to fill out the form titled, FIND A FAMILY
>> HISTORY CENTER NEAR
>> > YOU. Once you have filled this out it will provide
>> you with your nearest
>> > center and the days and hours it's open the
>> address and phone number. You
>> > go in and fill out a form requesting your specific
>> films from Salt Lake
>> > City, Utah. Depending on your center, the cost to
>> order each roll of film
>> > will be $5.50 to $5.75. Also depending on your
>> center it can take from a
>> > week to a month to receive the film. You have 4
>> weeks to view this roll
>> > and after 4 weeks you decide if you want to renew
>> it or not. The records
>> > on each roll of film are for the most part
>> chronological in order.
>> >
>> > There are several ways you can record data from
>> these rolls of film. You
>> > can make a photocopy of the document and at my
>> center the cost is .25
>> > cents per copy, It might be different at other
>> centers. You can also use
>> > your digital camera to photograph your records and
>> then edit and download
>> > to disk or print a copy of each record found. You
>> can also record your
>> > data by filling out a form with all the pertinent
>> information. Nuestros
>> > Ranchos has forms thanks to one of our very
>> experienced members Kitty
>> > Cortez with blank spaces for all the pertinent
>> information. See the forms
>> > section of the Nuestros Ranchos website.
>> >
>> > Next you have to decide what software you will use
>> to record your data so
>> > that you can eventually share it with others. You
>> can download the free
>> > PAF software from www.familysearch.org or you can
>> search out other
>> > genealogy software. Other people in this group are
>> better qualified than
>> > me to make recommendations about software.
>> >
>> > Buena Suerte,
>> > Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo
>> > San Jose, Ca
>> >
>> > JOSE SEVERIANO RUANO ULLOA
>> > Male
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Event(s):
>> > Birth:
>> > Christening: 28 AUG 1871 Nochistlan, Zacatecas,
>> Mexico
>> >
>> > Death:
>> > Burial:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Parents:
>> > Father: CANUTO RUANO Family
>> > Mother: MARIA ULLOA
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Messages:
>> > Extracted birth or christening record for locality
>> listed in the record.
>> > The source records are usually arranged
>> chronologically by the birth or
>> > christening date.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Source Information:
>> > Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout
>> Call No.: Type:
>> >
>> > J606253 1870 - 1873 0226675 Film NONE
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > JOSE PEDRO RUANO ULLOA
>> > Male
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Event(s):
>> > Birth:
>> > Christening: 20 OCT 1872 Nochistlan, Zacatecas,
>> Mexico
>> >
>> > Death:
>> > Burial:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Parents:
>> > Father: CANUTO RUANO Family
>> > Mother: MARIA ULLOA
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
> === message truncated ===
>
>
> Yolie
> Pray, Hope, Don't Worry
>
>
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Comment

Charles,
You may have this info already, but if not in the Cubas' publication at this site address http://biblio2.colmex.mx/bibdig/dicc_cubas/base3.htm. click on the letter "E" in the alpha listing, then type in Estancia. There's info for Estancia, (La), plus others that may help to answer your question..

Pat

Charles Clark wrote:
I am interested in La Estancia to which reference has been made in these
e-mails.

My grandfather Jose Pedro Rodriguez was born in La Estancia in 1883
according to his birth record and my grandmother, Maria Ulloa, his wife, was
born in 1888 in, we believe, Nochistlan although I wouldn't rule out any
other place. They had at least 16 common ancestors and had many ancestors
listed in Jose Luis Vasquez y Rodriguez de Frias' book.

My mother, their daughter, was told her father's birth place was La Estancia
and it wasn't until I read Clotilde Quiralte's book that I found out there
were La Estancias de los etc. This is not much information, no doubt, but
how can I find the complete name of La Estancia, at least the one where my
grandfather was born.

Charles Clark

Comment

Alicia,

this is a question that comes up time and again so I've put the main
explanation part of this email into a word document and uploaded it into
the files-->reference material area of the group. Later if you want to
add anything to it we can work on it. thanks again.
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/14638

joseph

Alicia Carrillo wrote:

>
>How do you find your local family history center you ask? go to www.familysearch.org, there are 4 tabs on the top of the page titled; HOME SEARCH SHARE LIBRARY, click on library.
>On this page you will see just below those 4 tabs where it says; FAMILY HISTORY CENTERS, click on that.
>
>Proceed to fill out the form titled, FIND A FAMILY HISTORY CENTER NEAR YOU. Once you have filled this out it will provide you with your nearest center and the days and hours it's open the address and phone number. You go in and fill out a form requesting your specific films from Salt Lake City, Utah. Depending on your center, the cost to order each roll of film will be $5.50 to $5.75. Also depending on your center it can take from a week to a month to receive the film. You have 4 weeks to view this roll and after 4 weeks you decide if you want to renew it or not. The records on each roll of film are for the most part chronological in order.
>
>There are several ways you can record data from these rolls of film. You can make a photocopy of the document and at my center the cost is .25 cents per copy, It might be different at other centers. You can also use your digital camera to photograph your records and then edit and download to disk or print a copy of each record found. You can also record your data by filling out a form with all the pertinent information. Nuestros Ranchos has forms thanks to one of our very experienced members Kitty Cortez with blank spaces for all the pertinent information. See the forms section of the Nuestros Ranchos website.
>
>Next you have to decide what software you will use to record your data so that you can eventually share it with others. You can download the free PAF software from www.familysearch.org or you can search out other genealogy software. Other people in this group are better qualified than me to make recommendations about software.
>
>Buena Suerte,
>Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo
>San Jose, Ca
>
>

Comment

Alicia
Thank You so much for you help. I'm trying to find the
time to go over this with my mother. This is very
exciting for me. Thanks for all you informaton.
Everyone has been so helpful. Now my brick wall that I
have had is down. There is so much work to do.
Yolie

Published by enriquelegaspi – Wed, 2006-06-28 01:45 | Permalink

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Yolanda, I was born in Nochistlan, Zacatecas, it is 15 minutes away from La Estancia. My family on my father's side originated in LA Estancia. My grandfather was named Jose Legaspi Jauregui, he was born in the same era as your grandfather, its likely that they were related. Have you been to La Estancia or Nochistlan? How much of your research has been gathered from the IGI? My grandfather was light and blue eyed, what did your grandfather look like? Ulloa is also found in my family lines.
The names Jauregui, Legaspi, Lozano, Gonsales, Delgadillo are some of the original La Estancia families. Where do you live? In Los Angeles there is a large La Estancia community.

Enrique Legaspi Frias
Los Angeles - born in Nochistlan Zacatecas

yolie wilkerson wrote:
Hello, I'm Yolanda. I'm working on my motherside of
the family.
My Grandfather Pedro Jauregui was born 1892 at La
Estancia Zacatecas. I believe it's just outside of
Aguascalientes. His father was Rosalio Jauregui.
My Grandmother Maria Rauno was also born 1890 at La
Estancia Zacatecas. Her parents were C.Canuto Rauno.
Her Mother I believe was Maria Ulloa.I have names of
my Grandfather's brother and sisters. Ignacio
Jauregui married Marina Ulloa, Jacinta Jauregui
married Florenceo Sandoval, Demetria Jauregui married
Celso Jauregui, Macedonia Jauregui married Luis Yanez,
Placida Jauregui married Preciiano Yanez.
My Great Grand Father was Jose Rosalio Xauregui and my
Great Grand Mother was Pomposa Gonzales.
I have come to a stand still since I didn't know how
to find records in Mexico. I happy to be here.
Yolanda

Yolie

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Published by thudplt2 – Wed, 2006-06-28 09:15 | Permalink

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Enrique and Yolanda,

With great interest I read your messages and as you can see I'm also researching the Jauregui family in Los Altos. I do not have time now to continue the communication with you as I'm going offline for 25 days effective today. I have tuned off receiving Los Ranchos messages so hold off on sending me anything until I contact you when I return.

Regards from a possible Primo,

Ray Jauregui

Published by Yolanda – Wed, 2006-06-28 11:11 | Permalink

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Hi, I have never been to La Estancia. The last time I was in Aquascalientes was 1963. At that time I met my great-Aunts (Grandfather's sister) At that time I love to take pictures and still do. I'm so glad that took pictures of them.
I"m new to this can you tell me what IGI is?
My grandfather was light and had the most beautiful green eyes. Two of his grandchildren have those beautiful green eyes. I was the unlucky one to get brown. He was tall, big man. Very gentle and loving. He loved strawberry shakes :-). Talking about hin has made me miss him more. He passed away in 1972. I live in Kansas. I have heard of the Jauregui Family reunion in California but can never find out when it it. I did get a number so I will do some calling and find out.

Published by Yolanda – Wed, 2006-06-28 11:11 | Permalink

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Hi, I have never been to La Estancia. The last time I was in Aquascalientes was 1963. At that time I met my great-Aunts (Grandfather's sister) At that time I love to take pictures and still do. I'm so glad that took pictures of them.
I"m new to this can you tell me what IGI is?
My grandfather was light and had the most beautiful green eyes. Two of his grandchildren have those beautiful green eyes. I was the unlucky one to get brown. He was tall, big man. Very gentle and loving. He loved strawberry shakes :-). Talking about hin has made me miss him more. He passed away in 1972. I live in Kansas. I have heard of the Jauregui Family reunion in California but can never find out when it it. I did get a number so I will do some calling and find out.

Published by arturoramos – Wed, 2006-06-28 11:33 | Permalink

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Yolanda,

I would beg to differ that you are unlucky for having brown eyes...

But I digress... to answer your question regarding IGI...

The IGI is the International Genealogical Index which is the LDS (Church of Latter Day Saints) most comprehensive index of genealogical records. You can access it online through:

http://www.familysearch.org

You will find that link on the Links listing of our website. In addition, you will find that the Films section of our site links directly to the IGI so you can simply find the relevant municipality, type of registry (baptism, marriage, etc) and date and click on a button and it will list all of the names entered into the IGI from the relevant documents. You can then narrow your search by surname, parents' names, etc.

There are some very useful documents in the Files section of the site (under Reference Materials) that explain how to optimize searches on the IGI. That is how I found your grandparent's marriage.

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> My Great Grand Father was Jose Rosalio Xauregui and my
> Great Grand Mother was Pomposa Gonzales.
> I have come to a stand still since I didn't know how
> to find records in Mexico.

Hi Yolie,

I read your message on Nuestros Ranchos. I found the marriage
record of your great-grandfather in the IGI database (International
Genealogical Index) of www.familysearch.org. I have access to the film it
references so I'll look up the record for you and let you know what I find.

The IGI extract notes that Rosalio and Pomposa were married 3 May
1871 in Nochistlan, Zacatecas, Mexico. A microfilmed copy of the record can
be found on Film # 0226733. Hopefully, I can check it out this evening.

Copies of the films mentioned on familysearch.org can be loaned to a
local Family History Center near your area. To find the one nearest to you,
go to this site:
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHC/frameset_fhc.asp

The centers are open to the public and they have volunteers who can
also help you with your research problems. There is no charge to use the
centers, but there is a charge to order the films. However, if you renew
twice (three payments altogether), you basically have paid for the cost of
copying and shipping the film so it stays in your local center on indefinite
loan. That's how I ended up with all the marriage films for Notchistlan
from about 1730 to 1880.

I'll be in touch.

~Deena~

Published by knoenhim – Wed, 2006-06-28 15:15 | Permalink

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Deena,
You are such a blessing to us all!!! You taking time out of your busy life
to help dig up info is really appreciated. When I learn how all this film
stuff works, I will try to also share.

Hope

Published by makas_nc – Wed, 2006-06-28 18:00 | Permalink

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Here's how it works:

Find you local LDS church and ask them where you closest Family History
Center is. [Note: you can find the same info at
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHC/frameset_fhc.asp this is the
site that Deena just gave in the email you were responding too]

Once you have found the closest Family History Center give them a call
and go pay a visit [don't worry they won't try to convert you to
Mormonism and the general public is more than welcome even encouraged to
use the facilities]

Ask them how to use the Family History Catalog to find films for your
specific location in Mexico. Once you have identified an interesting
film just dive in and order it. It will cost about $5.50 for the first
30 days rental and will have to be viewed only at the Family History
Center as they don't let you take them out of the building.

When the film comes, in about 3-4 weeks, they will call you. At that
point Drop Everything and safely rush to the Family History Center and
start the new adventure of finding your relatives. Ask them how to
thread the film and view it. After they show you the basics they have
met their responsibility and you will be on your own to do your own
research. Of course if you find something they will help you learn how
to make copies and if you forget how to thread the film or order I'm
sure they will help you a couple of times until you get the hang of it.

Don't delay or what might happen is that the work of finding your family
tree might be left to some future generation. Start today!

joseph

beelieve wrote:

>When I learn how all this film
>stuff works, I will try to also share.
>
>Hope
>
>
>

Published by oldcar53 – Wed, 2006-06-28 23:30 | Permalink

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Yolanda,

I have an ancestor by the name of Jose Rosalio Jauregui, Olmos but he was married to Catarina Olasaba. I have many records copied for Jose Rosalio and Pomposa thinking that Pomposa may have been Rosalio's first wife. I don't have any information yet to corroborate this. Tomorrow I will be at my local FHC and I will check this marriage record to see if it says anything about a previous marriage or see who his parents were. Some years the marriage records have much information and other years they are missing the parents names or are devoid of additional information.
My Jose Rosalio was the son of Jose Hilario de Jauregui Rovalcaba and Maria Encarnacion de Olmos Gomes. Who knows, we may have a common ancestor with Jose, Rosalio. Looking forward to further communication with you. Hilario de Jauregui Rovalcaba was my GGGGrandfather.

Have you gone onto to the www.familysearch.org website yet? If not, that is your next step and once you start there you are into an amazing genealogical journey.

Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo
San Jose, Ca

> My Great Grand Father was Jose Rosalio Xauregui and my
> Great Grand Mother was Pomposa Gonzales.
> I have come to a stand still since I didn't know how
> to find records in Mexico.

Hi Yolie,

I read your message on Nuestros Ranchos. I found the marriage
record of your great-grandfather in the IGI database (International
Genealogical Index) of www.familysearch.org. I have access to the film it
references so I'll look up the record for you and let you know what I find.

The IGI extract notes that Rosalio and Pomposa were married 3 May
1871 in Nochistlan, Zacatecas, Mexico. A microfilmed copy of the record can
be found on Film # 0226733.

Published by margeval – Thu, 2006-06-29 08:00 | Permalink

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You know, Rovalcaba could also be spelled Rubalcaba. :) Marge:)

On Jun 29, 2006, at 1:27 AM, Alicia Carrillo wrote:

> Yolanda,
>
> I have an ancestor by the name of Jose Rosalio Jauregui, Olmos but he
> was married to Catarina Olasaba. I have many records copied for Jose
> Rosalio and Pomposa thinking that Pomposa may have been Rosalio's
> first wife. I don't have any information yet to corroborate this.
> Tomorrow I will be at my local FHC and I will check this marriage
> record to see if it says anything about a previous marriage or see who
> his parents were. Some years the marriage records have much
> information and other years they are missing the parents names or are
> devoid of additional information.
> My Jose Rosalio was the son of Jose Hilario de Jauregui Rovalcaba and
> Maria Encarnacion de Olmos Gomes. Who knows, we may have a common
> ancestor with Jose, Rosalio. Looking forward to further communication
> with you. Hilario de Jauregui Rovalcaba was my GGGGrandfather.
>
> Have you gone onto to the www.familysearch.org website yet? If not,
> that is your next step and once you start there you are into an
> amazing genealogical journey.
>
> Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo
> San Jose, Ca
>
>
>
>
>> My Great Grand Father was Jose Rosalio Xauregui and my
>> Great Grand Mother was Pomposa Gonzales.
>> I have come to a stand still since I didn't know how
>> to find records in Mexico.
>
> Hi Yolie,
>
> I read your message on Nuestros Ranchos. I found the marriage
> record of your great-grandfather in the IGI database (International
> Genealogical Index) of www.familysearch.org. I have access to the
> film it
> references so I'll look up the record for you and let you know what I
> find.
>
> The IGI extract notes that Rosalio and Pomposa were married 3
> May
> 1871 in Nochistlan, Zacatecas, Mexico. A microfilmed copy of the
> record can
> be found on Film # 0226733.

Published by Yolanda – Tue, 2006-07-04 18:15 | Permalink

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Alicia The information I have I don't have anything
with the name Olmos or Catarina Olasaba. I will ask my
mother if she knows of those name.

Published by oldcar53 – Tue, 2006-07-04 19:00 | Permalink

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Yoli,

I have both a sister and a daughter named Yolanda. I think it's a beautiful name. The name Yolanda doesn't appear in any records until the 20th century, that is in our region, I don't know about other parts of Mexico and the world.

As for the Olmos and Olasaba, when I photocopied the marriage document for Rosalio Jauregui and Pomposa Gonsalez I was able to verify at least for now that we are not yet related. Who knows if we keep digging back in time we may find some link but for now it appears we are not related.

Thanks for checking.

Additional Photos

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I forgot to place two more photos in my Martin Del Campo album. They are of
Alberto's mother, Rita Robles Rivera, taken with his sister, Dolores, whom
we know as "Aunt Lola," and the other picture is of Aunt Lola in Los Angeles

Names in Mexico

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Corrine,

If I'm not mistaken in Mexico the wife's surname does not change after marriage. She continues all the days of her life with her name of birth. Say she was born as Maria, Anastacia Gonzales, (hypothetical name) and she marries Juan Flores, she is then Maria Anastacia Gonzales de Flores. If she registers to vote or goes to the doctor or applies for any legal document she is still Maria Anastacia Gonzales the wife of Juan Flores. Her children would have both parent's surnames, first surname is the father's second would be the mother's, thus they would be Maria Flores, Gonzales or Juan Flores Gonzales.

Martin Del Campo Photos

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I needed to add that I uploaded the Martin Del Campo photos in the Members
and Group Meetings Album. I had at first made it an album of its own, but
just corrected my mistake and placed it where it is supposed to go. The

PROTOCOLOS NOTARIALES

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Quien el grupo conoce de los PROTOCOLOS NOTARIALES? Hay informacion de
los nombres de los Notarios de la region de Guadalajara? En la Iglesia
de LDS hay muchos microfilmes de los actos de Notarios pero no hay

Jewish ancestors

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"To The End Of The Earth: A History of The Crypto-Jews of New Mexico" by
Stanley M. Hordes. Columbia University Press, NY, 2005.

Some of my ancestors are listed in this book. Here is a short list: Simón

Arabic - Mexican Cultures

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Marion: I think your mother knew how to cook morisqueta, as most recipes I
see are mentioned in the same way your mother cooks. However, my
mother-in-law's recipe differed - I sometimes wonder if it was because her small town

Mexican Soup Morisqueta

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My mother-in-law, from Michoacan makes a soup called morisqueta. It is made
with pork bones for flavor and a mixture of chile ancho and guajillo.
Sometimes, towards the end,she adds cabbage. Then she serves it with rice that is

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Published by mistyriver123 – Tue, 2006-10-24 22:00 | Permalink

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Reading Prima Esperanza's message below, peaked my interest on an old subject.

I recall, my mother saying, that she had cousins that were "Arabe", but that the bloodline was by marriage. I have always been curious about the Arabic surname, and have followed some of the lines of my mothers cousins, but have not found any surname with the possibility.

This past week, I met a lady whose grandparents immigrated to Mexico from Lebanon, in the early 1900's, but they did not meet until years after their arrivals. In order to blend in, they changed their given names to the more traditional Spanish names.

And the mysteries continue.....
Helyn

Latina1955@aol.com wrote:

Looking up "morisqueta" in our dictionary, I found out that it was an arabic
term used for rice, that was made in just the same fashion as my
mother-in-law's soup. It was then that I realized the close connection between the two
cultures (Arabic) and (Mexican), via Africa!

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My mother use to do morisqueta: she cooked the rice with plain water, when almost done she added salt; next she fried onion, garlic and red tomato and added to the rice and blended. I had know that morisqueta is the rice cooked in water with no salt added.

Santos Luna escribió: Reading Prima Esperanza's message below, peaked my interest on an old subject.

I recall, my mother saying, that she had cousins that were "Arabe", but that the bloodline was by marriage. I have always been curious about the Arabic surname, and have followed some of the lines of my mothers cousins, but have not found any surname with the possibility.

This past week, I met a lady whose grandparents immigrated to Mexico from Lebanon, in the early 1900's, but they did not meet until years after their arrivals. In order to blend in, they changed their given names to the more traditional Spanish names.

And the mysteries continue.....
Helyn

Latina1955@aol.com wrote:

Looking up "morisqueta" in our dictionary, I found out that it was an arabic
term used for rice, that was made in just the same fashion as my
mother-in-law's soup. It was then that I realized the close connection between the two
cultures (Arabic) and (Mexican), via Africa!

Comment

Helyn said "I have always been curious about the Arabic surname". Which name is that? I know about the Basque names that have double r's such as Ibarra, Navarro, etc.

I recently ran into a surname a very unusual surname, "Alvarron" while trying to help Tomas Alejandro find his great-uncles who went to the US and were never heard from again (they were Navarros). I wonder if Alvarron was originally Arabic and was changed to Navarro.

My husband tells me that most "Spanish" words starting with "al" have an Arabic origin, such as almohada, albondigas, Alvarez, etc.

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---
----- Original Message -----
From: Santos Luna
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 9:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Arabic - Mexican Cultures

Reading Prima Esperanza's message below, peaked my interest on an old subject.

I recall, my mother saying, that she had cousins that were "Arabe", but that the bloodline was by marriage. I have always been curious about the Arabic surname, and have followed some of the lines of my mothers cousins, but have not found any surname with the possibility.

This past week, I met a lady whose grandparents immigrated to Mexico from Lebanon, in the early 1900's, but they did not meet until years after their arrivals. In order to blend in, they changed their given names to the more traditional Spanish names.

And the mysteries continue.....
Helyn

Latina1955@aol.com wrote:

Looking up "morisqueta" in our dictionary, I found out that it was an arabic
term used for rice, that was made in just the same fashion as my
mother-in-law's soup. It was then that I realized the close connection between the two
cultures (Arabic) and (Mexican), via Africa!

Velasco Family

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What an excellent article! I read it from beginning to end at one sitting. Thank you so much for posting it, Esther. I particularly liked the fact that it explained the complexities of the relationships in the various families.

New Findings

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Thanks to Rich and Kitty Cortez who copied 8 records for me while they were in Salt Lake I have some major new discoveries. Talk about some eyeopeners !!!

Here's my ancestry in this my maternal grandmother's line, Maria del Refugio Ruiz, Esparza born Aug 1900>>her father and my g-grandfather, Refugio Ruiz Muños Bapt 01 March 1869. He was the son of Jose Rafael Ruiz Esparza my gg-grandfather born around 1834, son of my ggg -grandfather, Cirilo Ruiz, Alvares & Maria Cayetana Esparza, Luevano, daughter of my gggg -grandparents, Doroteo Esparza & Maria Dolores Luevano.

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Published by mistyriver123 – Tue, 2006-10-24 20:00 | Permalink

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A big hug of thanks to Kitty & Rich Cortez who also copied records while they were in Salt Lake. A big mystery has been solved. The name of the bride was different, but now with the marriage document in hand, the name was actually that of the "testigo".

Also, with the other documents, I have now been able to go up another level with the ancestors.

Okay, Joseph, you can not do your "happy dance". We have now discovered that I connect with Rich Cortez, and Rosalinda Ruiz, with our Sandoval lines.

Helyn

Alicia Carrillo wrote:
Thanks to Rich and Kitty Cortez who copied 8 records for me while they were in Salt Lake I have some major new discoveries. Talk about some eyeopeners !!!

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Santos Luna wrote:

>
> Okay, Joseph, you can not do your "happy dance". We have now discovered that I connect with Rich Cortez, and Rosalinda Ruiz, with our Sandoval lines.
>
> Helyn
>
>
>
I'm a Sandoval too and possibly from the same area. remind me later as
I'm rushing out the door to give you the one Sandoval GGGG grandmother I
have in my Genealogy. Hey I want to be a cousin toooooo! Wait for me.

tu primo,

joseph

ps: save me some menudo and of course congratulations!!! what a happy
day to find family.

Published by john9ten – Sun, 2006-10-22 00:15 | Permalink

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I also want to add my thanks. They were able to locate records on my great grandfather, including his wife's name. My aunt told me that my grandfather's middle name was Munoz, and it turns out my great grandmother was Panfila Munoz. Interesting, because my grandmother was also named Panfila.
Thanks again to the Cortez'!
John Robles

Alicia Carrillo wrote:
Thanks to Rich and Kitty Cortez who copied 8 records for me while they were in Salt Lake I have some major new discoveries. Talk about some eyeopeners !!!

Here's my ancestry in this my maternal grandmother's line, Maria del Refugio Ruiz, Esparza born Aug 1900>>her father and my g-grandfather, Refugio Ruiz Muños Bapt 01 March 1869. He was the son of Jose Rafael Ruiz Esparza my gg-grandfather born around 1834, son of my ggg -grandfather, Cirilo Ruiz, Alvares & Maria Cayetana Esparza, Luevano, daughter of my gggg -grandparents, Doroteo Esparza & Maria Dolores Luevano.

1) Marriage records for Doroteo Esparza & Maria Dolores Luevano from Pabellon, Rincon de Romos, Aguascalientes, marriage date 18 Jan 1807. I had not ordered this roll of film as it was one of the only records outside my primary target area of Nochistlan Zac and I did not think it would give up so much information. I have always wondered what indian tribe my family descends from and while I still don't know what tribe I have the first evidence that we are indios from the Aguascalientes region - here's the content of this marriage record.

Film # 0635756, Batch # M602763, 1798-1845, En la capilla de Pabellon, feligresia de Pueblo de San Jose de Gracia en 18 del mes de Enero de 1807, Doroteo Esparza, mestizo, origniario y vecino de La Hacienda de Garabato, hijo legitimo de Pioquinto Esparza y de Gertrudis Manriques con Maria Dolores Luebana, Española, originaria de La Hacienda de Garabato y Nicomedes en la jurisdicion de Aguascalientes en el puesto de Las Trojes quatro años y vecina en Garabatos quatro años, hija leg de Maximiano Luebana y Ursula Castorena. Padrinos Roberto Ximenes y Maria Casilda Duran.

2) The second surprise was from the branch of Cirilo Ruiz Alvares, the husband of Maria Cayetana Esparza Luevano noted above. I requested the baptism record of his brother as I still don't have a record of Cirilo's birthdate but guess it was around 1805 which is the year that is missing for baptisms from Nochistlan.

LDS Film # 0226657, batch # C606233, 1800-1804, Bautismos Nochistlan, Juan Jose Evaristo, Español, hijo legitimo de Jose Bictoreano Ruis y de Maria Ysabel Macias y nieto legitimo por parte paterna no se sabe quienes fueron. y por parte materna, Jose Maria Macias y de Maria de la O Duran; Fueron sus padrinos, Jose Andres Muños y Maria Ynes Martinez de Soto Mayor.

What this tells me is that Cirilo's father Bictoreano Ruiz, my gggg-grandfather did not know who his parents were. Bictoreano Ruiz and Maria Ysavel had their first child in 1797 and they had 10 children, if not more and the last baptism record I have of their children is for 1810 in Nochistlan, Zac. Bictoreano must have been born around 1777 +/- a few years. Even though the birth record says español that is dubious because if they don't know who the paternal grandparents were how can they know he was an español?

So thanks Rich and Kitty.......without your help and without the assistance from all in this group I would not be as far as I am in my research and I would not enjoy it as much as I do.

Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo
San Jose, Calif

Published by Marionicia – Sat, 2006-10-21 17:30 | Permalink

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Hello Alicia, I wonder a lot how careful a person in charge of inscribing a baptism in the book could be. Some times the letters in a record look like the "hand" is drunken, trembling a lot or maybe was someone that knew everybody in town or ranch that it felt no need to write so many names, so inscribed no parents known or nothing at all. I have seen records where in the case of a child there where parents or grandparents unknown, and then for a brother or sister of that child those persons names appeared. I suggest you look for more brothers or sisters records, maybe someone has the missing siblings.

Alicia Carrillo escribió: Thanks to Rich and Kitty Cortez who copied 8 records for me while they were in Salt Lake I have some major new discoveries. Talk about some eyeopeners !!!

Here's my ancestry in this my maternal grandmother's line, Maria del Refugio Ruiz, Esparza born Aug 1900>>her father and my g-grandfather, Refugio Ruiz Muños Bapt 01 March 1869. He was the son of Jose Rafael Ruiz Esparza my gg-grandfather born around 1834, son of my ggg -grandfather, Cirilo Ruiz, Alvares & Maria Cayetana Esparza, Luevano, daughter of my gggg -grandparents, Doroteo Esparza & Maria Dolores Luevano.

1) Marriage records for Doroteo Esparza & Maria Dolores Luevano from Pabellon, Rincon de Romos, Aguascalientes, marriage date 18 Jan 1807. I had not ordered this roll of film as it was one of the only records outside my primary target area of Nochistlan Zac and I did not think it would give up so much information. I have always wondered what indian tribe my family descends from and while I still don't know what tribe I have the first evidence that we are indios from the Aguascalientes region - here's the content of this marriage record.

Film # 0635756, Batch # M602763, 1798-1845, En la capilla de Pabellon, feligresia de Pueblo de San Jose de Gracia en 18 del mes de Enero de 1807, Doroteo Esparza, mestizo, origniario y vecino de La Hacienda de Garabato, hijo legitimo de Pioquinto Esparza y de Gertrudis Manriques con Maria Dolores Luebana, Española, originaria de La Hacienda de Garabato y Nicomedes en la jurisdicion de Aguascalientes en el puesto de Las Trojes quatro años y vecina en Garabatos quatro años, hija leg de Maximiano Luebana y Ursula Castorena. Padrinos Roberto Ximenes y Maria Casilda Duran.

2) The second surprise was from the branch of Cirilo Ruiz Alvares, the husband of Maria Cayetana Esparza Luevano noted above. I requested the baptism record of his brother as I still don't have a record of Cirilo's birthdate but guess it was around 1805 which is the year that is missing for baptisms from Nochistlan.

LDS Film # 0226657, batch # C606233, 1800-1804, Bautismos Nochistlan, Juan Jose Evaristo, Español, hijo legitimo de Jose Bictoreano Ruis y de Maria Ysabel Macias y nieto legitimo por parte paterna no se sabe quienes fueron. y por parte materna, Jose Maria Macias y de Maria de la O Duran; Fueron sus padrinos, Jose Andres Muños y Maria Ynes Martinez de Soto Mayor.

What this tells me is that Cirilo's father Bictoreano Ruiz, my gggg-grandfather did not know who his parents were. Bictoreano Ruiz and Maria Ysavel had their first child in 1797 and they had 10 children, if not more and the last baptism record I have of their children is for 1810 in Nochistlan, Zac. Bictoreano must have been born around 1777 +/- a few years. Even though the birth record says español that is dubious because if they don't know who the paternal grandparents were how can they know he was an español?

So thanks Rich and Kitty.......without your help and without the assistance from all in this group I would not be as far as I am in my research and I would not enjoy it as much as I do.

Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo
San Jose, Calif

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> What this tells me is that Cirilo's father, Bictoreano Ruiz, my gggg-grandfather did not know who his parents were. Bictoreano Ruiz and Maria Ysavel had their first child in 1797 and they had 10 children, if not more and the last baptism record I have of their children is for 1810 in Nochistlan, Zac. Bictoreano must have been born around 1777 +/- a few years. Even though the birth record says español that is dubious because if they don't know who the paternal grandparents were how can they know he was an español?

It has been my finding that for whatever reason one record will say that the grandparents are unknown while another record will list the names of the supposedly unknown relatives.

The baptism record of Josef Manuel Candelario RUIZ ALVAREZ, c. 24 Feb 1799 -- Film # 0226656, identifies the parents of Victoriano Ruiz as Josef Antonio Ruiz and Maria Felipa Gonzales. However, I have not found any record of them as a couple or as parents. I will check the christening record of Maria Sebastiana Ynis De La Ssma. Trinidad RUIZ ALBAREZ, chr. 28 JAN 1808 -- Film # 0226658, to see if the information is the same.

I am more curious about why the husband of Maria de la O Duran was sometimes called Jose Maria Macias and sometimes referred to as Jose Maria Alvarez.

~Deena Ortiz~

P.S. I have the first child of Victoreano Ruiz and Maria Ysavel Alvarez (Macias) as Maria Desideria Guadalupe RUIZ ALVAREZ, chr. 26 Feb 1795, Film # 0226655. I also have ten children listed, but if you have ten without Maria Desideria, I must be missing a child.

(1) 1795 Maria Desideria Guadalupe
(2) 1797 Jose Maria Aquilino
(3) 1799 Josef Manuel Candelario
(4) 1802 Juan Jose Evaristo
(5) Abt 1803 Jose Sirilo
(6) Abt 1805 Calixto
(7) Abt 1805 Maria de la O
(8) 1808 Maria Sebatiana Ynes de la Trinidad
(9) 1810 Maria Theodora
(10) Abt 1810 Maria Ysidora

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----- Original Message ----
From: Deena Ortiz drortiz@charter.net

It has been my finding that for whatever reason one record will say that the grandparents are unknown while another record will list the names of the supposedly unknown relatives.
Thanks Deena and Leticia for reminding me that one record does not paint the whole picture, it is only a small segment of the big picture. This is the first birth document on this family group that I have viewed. I should have requested 2 documents and the reason I requested this particular document is that it lists a different name for the birth mother than what's listed in all the other IGI listings for this family group, Maria Ysavel Macias rather than Maria Ysavel Alvares Macias.

The baptism record of Josef Manuel Candelario RUIZ ALVAREZ, c. 24 Feb 1799 -- Film # 0226656, identifies the parents of Victoriano Ruiz as Josef Antonio Ruiz and Maria Felipa Gonzales. However, I have not found any record of them as a couple or as parents. I will check the christening record of Maria Sebastiana Ynis De La Ssma. Trinidad RUIZ ALBAREZ, chr. 28 JAN 1808 -- Film # 0226658, to see if the information is the same.

I am more curious about why the husband of Maria de la O Duran was sometimes called Jose Maria Macias and sometimes referred to as Jose Maria Alvarez.

~Deena Ortiz~

P.S. I have the first child of Victoreano Ruiz and Maria Ysavel Alvarez (Macias) as Maria Desideria Guadalupe RUIZ ALVAREZ, chr. 26 Feb 1795, Film # 0226655. I also have ten children listed, but if you have ten without Maria Desideria, I must be missing a child. Deena, thanks for this new info.........I will check the IGI and add Desideria to this family group.

(1) 1795 Maria Desideria Guadalupe - I don't have her in my records
(2) 1797 Jose Maria Aquilino
(3) 1799 Josef Manuel Candelario
(4) 1802 Juan Jose Evaristo
(5) Abt 1803 Jose Sirilo
(6) Abt 1805 Calixto
(7) Abt 1805 Maria de la O

(8) 1808 Maria Sebatiana Ynes de la Trinidad - I had her listed twice, first time as Maria Ynes and 2nd as Maria Sebastian Ynes de la Santisima Trinidad. I usually keep the two names when in doubt until I can determine if it is the same or a different person. Maria Ynes happens to be the first wife of my husband's GG Grandfather, Jose Bernardino Carrillo. They married in 1831 and I show they had 2 children. Jose Bernardino remarried in 1841 to Maria Juana Hernandez and this is my husband's direct line ancestry through his second wife.

(9) 1810 Maria Theodora
(10) Abt 1810 Maria Ysidora

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----- Original Message ----
From: Leticia Leon marionicia@yahoo.com.mx

Hello Alicia, I wonder a lot how careful a person in charge of inscribing a baptism in the book could be. Some times the letters in a record look like the "hand" is drunken, trembling a lot or maybe was someone that knew everybody in town or ranch that it felt no need to write so many names, so inscribed no parents known or nothing at all. I have seen records where in the case of a child there where parents or grandparents unknown, and then for a brother or sister of that child those persons names appeared. I suggest you look for more brothers or sisters records, maybe someone has the missing siblings.

Hola Leticia,

Gracias por el recordatorio de que un archivo no basta para completar todos los datos. El investigador debe proceder en una manera cautelosa, meticulosa y con calma. Poco a poco se va formando la familia de nuestros antepasados.

Leticia, thanks for the reminder that one record does not make up our database. The genealogist must be cautious and meticulous in his/her research and step by step, document by document the picture of our ancestors comes together.

Alicia
San Jose, Ca

Velasco Family

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I have downloaded a new file entitled "The Early Life of Luis Velasco". This article recalls the early life of Luis Velasco. Included are family genealogical charts relating relationships to other early colonial families. Genealogical data on the Mendosa family is also included.

The Mexican Kitchen's Islamic Connection

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http://www.saudiaramcoworld.com/issue/200403/the.mexican.kitchen.s.isla…

I love this article. It tells about how so much of the cuisine we love today (albondigas, moles, aguas frescas, and so much more) was brought to Mexico by the Spaniards who had learned it from the Muslims, and the Muslims learned it from the ancient Persians.

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Published by Marionicia – Tue, 2006-10-24 16:30 | Permalink

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amazing article, thank you!

Emilie Garcia escribió:
http://www.saudiaramcoworld.com/issue/200403/the.mexican.kitchen.s.isla…

I love this article. It tells about how so much of the cuisine we love today (albondigas, moles, aguas frescas, and so much more) was brought to Mexico by the Spaniards who had learned it from the Muslims, and the Muslims learned it from the ancient Persians.

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, Washingon

Zacatecas Marriages 1600s

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While in Salt Lake City last weekend, I spent time going through the earliest Zacatecas, Zacatecas film of "Informacion Matrimonial." I have begun extracting all of the marriages from 1604 (beginning of the film) through 1628 (when the film lapses until about 1680).

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Published by margeval – Sun, 2006-10-22 22:00 | Permalink

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Arturo,
Ana de Banuelos and Vicente Saldivar are my direct ancestors. Marge:)
On Oct 22, 2006, at 4:36 PM, arturoramos wrote:

>
> While in Salt Lake City last weekend, I spent time going through the
> earliest Zacatecas, Zacatecas film of "Informacion Matrimonial." I
> have begun extracting all of the marriages from 1604 (beginning of the
> film) through 1628 (when the film lapses until about 1680).
>
> I have uploaded what I have extracted thus far into the GEDCOM
> database in a tree called Zacatecas Marriages. Unfortunately, most of
> the entries do not include parents' names.
>
> Please let me know if you have any questions about this... to give you
> an idea of what is in there:
>
> Balthazar ? Beatriz Saldana Antes 1608
> Juan Alvarez Gomez Maria Diaz de Arelano 25 Jan 1606
> Francisca Baptista Balthazar Gomez 1605
> Diego Benavides Luisa Herera Antes 1608
> Isabel Caldera Christobal Martinez 1609
> ? Careno Maria Munoz Alonzo Antes 1607
> Miguel Ceton Beatriz de Armenta 2 Sep 1609
> Pedro Chaves Quiteria Guzman 30 Nov 1607
> Juan Cornejo Maria Vilegas 22 Jan 1607
> Leonor Cortes Christobal Saldana Antes 1607
> Melchora de Abrego Pedro Flores 21 Feb 1607
> Pedro Alcaraz Juana de Paras Antes 1608
> Maria Andrade Miguel Vilegas Antes 1607
> Felipa de Arelano Gonzalo Portillo 13 Sep 1607
> Hernan Arguelo Maria de Navarete Antes 1608
> Beatriz Armenta Miguel Ceton 22 Sep 1609
> Ana de Banuelos Vicente Saldivar 31 Aug 1609
> Maria Bedio Cristobal Francisco 28 Apr 1608
> Diego Chavez Isabel Garcia 03 Feb 1608
> Juan de Condamafea Catalina Sanchez 20 Aug 1605

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Marge:

That is great that you are that far back in your genealogy. I have a couple of questions for you. Did you already have Ana de Banuelos and Vicente Saldivar's marriage date? If so, where did you get it from? I want to make sure that I am not duplicating work if this extraction has already been done.

Let me know if you want the scan of their marriage entry.

Comment

Arturo and Marge:

Vicente de Saldivar and Ana de Banuelos are also in my direct lineage. My
source for their marriage is:
"Fundadores de Nueva Galicia-Guadalajara, Tomo 1" by Garmendia Leal, Pg.
144.

Another source: sources of marriage and death info are John Inclan's
genealogy. Inclan also states: "He was the nephew and second cousin to Juan
de Onate, the founder of New Mexico. He was the conqueror of the Acoma
Indians of New Mexico and held the title "Maese de Campo". In 1626 he was
admitted to the prestigious military order of Santiago. Inclan's sources:
"Historia de la Nueva Mexico-1610" by Gaspar Perez de Villagra, pg XXVIII &
XXX. Also: "The Last Conquistador-Juan de Onate and the Settling of the Far
Southwest" by Marc Simmons. Also: "With All Arms-A Study of a Kindred
Group" by Carl Laurence Duaine.

Source: History of Texas Online, from the book by Geo. P. Hammond, pg 788,
"Don Juan de Onate, Colonizer of New Mexico". "On Dec. 11, 1601m at the
pueblo of San Gabriel, New Mexico, the Maese de Campo, Vicente de Saldivar
presented as witness before Gov. Don Juan de Onate, the reverend Father,
Fray Francisco de Velasco, of the order of St. Francis and guardian of the
convent of this pueblo. The priest swore that he had known the Maese de
Campo, Don Vicente de Saldivar, and this heknew that he was the legitimate
son of Don Vicente de Saldivar and Dona Magdalena de Mendoza; that his
father had been the viceroy's lieutenant general during the peace time in
Zacatecas, Nueva Galicia. This statement was signed by Don Juan de Onate,
Fray Francisco de Velasco and notarized by Juan Gutierrez Bocanegra.

On 14 May 1602 in Mexico City, Petition of the Maese de Campo, Vicente de
Zaldivar Mendoza reads: Mighty Lord, I, Vicente de Zaldivar Mendoza, your
Maese de Campo general in the provinces and Kingdoms of New Mexico, state
that I came to this court by order of the adelantado, Don Juan de Onate, who
is also your governor and captain general of the said provinces and
kingdoms, and by order of your viceroy in Mexico, to inform your highness of
the state of affairs of the said conquest, in regard to which the viceroy
and the audiencia of Mexico made investigations in order that it might thus
be better understood, and, at my behest, testimony was taken before the said
royal audiencia which I am presenting with this letter in order that it may
be considered, together with all the other papers. I beg and entreat your
highness to place these papers with those sent by the viceroy and audiencia
of Mexico in order that the most fitting measures may be taken for the royal
service of your highness as soon as possible. This is essential both because
of the importance of this business and because of the great danger in which
the adelantado, Don Juan de Onate, was left owing to the small number of
people in his garrison and town of San Gabriel, and in order to prevent the
Indians of the larger settlements from getting arms or uniting and marching
on the place where the governor is, which may be feared if the Indians
should hear of the small force under the command of the adelantado. Should
this happen, all the effort and expense, as well as the great services which
the adelantado has rendered to your highness, would be lost. So, I request
justice, and so forth. Vicente de Zaldivar Mendoza. . (Original
document is at the Archivo General de Indias, Seville, Spain. "Don Juan de
Onate-Colonizer of Ne Mexico 1595-1628" by Geo. P. Hammond; "Portraits of
Basques in the New World" edited by Richard W. Etulain and Heronima
Echeverria; "Rio del Norte" by Carroll L. Riley.

Josie in San Antonio

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of arturoramos
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 9:00 AM
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Zacatecas Marriages 1600s

Marge:

That is great that you are that far back in your genealogy. I have a couple
of questions for you. Did you already have Ana de Banuelos and Vicente
Saldivar's marriage date? If so, where did you get it from? I want to make
sure that I am not duplicating work if this extraction has already been
done.

Let me know if you want the scan of their marriage entry.

Comment

Hi, Cousins! Marge:)
On Oct 23, 2006, at 12:06 PM, Josie T. Trevino wrote:

> Arturo and Marge:
>
> Vicente de Saldivar and Ana de Banuelos are also in my direct lineage.
> My
> source for their marriage is:
> "Fundadores de Nueva Galicia-Guadalajara, Tomo 1" by Garmendia Leal,
> Pg.
> 144.
>
> Another source: sources of marriage and death info are John Inclan's
> genealogy. Inclan also states: "He was the nephew and second cousin to
> Juan
> de Onate, the founder of New Mexico. He was the conqueror of the Acoma
> Indians of New Mexico and held the title "Maese de Campo". In 1626 he
> was
> admitted to the prestigious military order of Santiago. Inclan's
> sources:
> "Historia de la Nueva Mexico-1610" by Gaspar Perez de Villagra, pg
> XXVIII &
> XXX. Also: "The Last Conquistador-Juan de Onate and the Settling of
> the Far
> Southwest" by Marc Simmons. Also: "With All Arms-A Study of a Kindred
> Group" by Carl Laurence Duaine.
>
> Source: History of Texas Online, from the book by Geo. P. Hammond, pg
> 788,
> "Don Juan de Onate, Colonizer of New Mexico". "On Dec. 11, 1601m at the
> pueblo of San Gabriel, New Mexico, the Maese de Campo, Vicente de
> Saldivar
> presented as witness before Gov. Don Juan de Onate, the reverend
> Father,
> Fray Francisco de Velasco, of the order of St. Francis and guardian of
> the
> convent of this pueblo. The priest swore that he had known the Maese
> de
> Campo, Don Vicente de Saldivar, and this heknew that he was the
> legitimate
> son of Don Vicente de Saldivar and Dona Magdalena de Mendoza; that his
> father had been the viceroy's lieutenant general during the peace time
> in
> Zacatecas, Nueva Galicia. This statement was signed by Don Juan de
> Onate,
> Fray Francisco de Velasco and notarized by Juan Gutierrez Bocanegra.
>
> On 14 May 1602 in Mexico City, Petition of the Maese de Campo, Vicente
> de
> Zaldivar Mendoza reads: Mighty Lord, I, Vicente de Zaldivar Mendoza,
> your
> Maese de Campo general in the provinces and Kingdoms of New Mexico,
> state
> that I came to this court by order of the adelantado, Don Juan de
> Onate, who
> is also your governor and captain general of the said provinces and
> kingdoms, and by order of your viceroy in Mexico, to inform your
> highness of
> the state of affairs of the said conquest, in regard to which the
> viceroy
> and the audiencia of Mexico made investigations in order that it might
> thus
> be better understood, and, at my behest, testimony was taken before
> the said
> royal audiencia which I am presenting with this letter in order that
> it may
> be considered, together with all the other papers. I beg and entreat
> your
> highness to place these papers with those sent by the viceroy and
> audiencia
> of Mexico in order that the most fitting measures may be taken for the
> royal
> service of your highness as soon as possible. This is essential both
> because
> of the importance of this business and because of the great danger in
> which
> the adelantado, Don Juan de Onate, was left owing to the small number
> of
> people in his garrison and town of San Gabriel, and in order to
> prevent the
> Indians of the larger settlements from getting arms or uniting and
> marching
> on the place where the governor is, which may be feared if the Indians
> should hear of the small force under the command of the adelantado.
> Should
> this happen, all the effort and expense, as well as the great services
> which
> the adelantado has rendered to your highness, would be lost. So, I
> request
> justice, and so forth. Vicente de Zaldivar Mendoza. . (Original
> document is at the Archivo General de Indias, Seville, Spain. "Don
> Juan de
> Onate-Colonizer of Ne Mexico 1595-1628" by Geo. P. Hammond; "Portraits
> of
> Basques in the New World" edited by Richard W. Etulain and Heronima
> Echeverria; "Rio del Norte" by Carroll L. Riley.
>
> Josie in San Antonio
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> [mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of
> arturoramos
> Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 9:00 AM
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Zacatecas Marriages 1600s
>
>
> Marge:
>
> That is great that you are that far back in your genealogy. I have a
> couple
> of questions for you. Did you already have Ana de Banuelos and Vicente
> Saldivar's marriage date? If so, where did you get it from? I want
> to make
> sure that I am not duplicating work if this extraction has already been
> done.
>
> Let me know if you want the scan of their marriage entry.

Comment

Arturo,

Melchora Abrego and Pedro Flores are my direct ancestors. Was there other information available on the marriage investigation like parents or place of birth or were they listed as veciinos? I am descended from their son Nicolas.

THanks,
--
Esther

-------------- Original message from arturoramos : --------------

>
> While in Salt Lake City last weekend, I spent time going through the earliest
> Zacatecas, Zacatecas film of "Informacion Matrimonial." I have begun extracting
> all of the marriages from 1604 (beginning of the film) through 1628 (when the
> film lapses until about 1680).
>
> I have uploaded what I have extracted thus far into the GEDCOM database in a
> tree called Zacatecas Marriages. Unfortunately, most of the entries do not
> include parents' names.
>
> Please let me know if you have any questions about this... to give you an idea
> of what is in there:
>
> Balthazar ? Beatriz Saldana Antes 1608
> Juan Alvarez Gomez Maria Diaz de Arelano 25 Jan 1606
> Francisca Baptista Balthazar Gomez 1605
> Diego Benavides Luisa Herera Antes 1608
> Isabel Caldera Christobal Martinez 1609
> ? Careno Maria Munoz Alonzo Antes 1607
> Miguel Ceton Beatriz de Armenta 2 Sep 1609
> Pedro Chaves Quiteria Guzman 30 Nov 1607
> Juan Cornejo Maria Vilegas 22 Jan 1607
> Leonor Cortes Christobal Saldana Antes 1607
> Melchora de Abrego Pedro Flores 21 Feb 1607
> Pedro Alcaraz Juana de Paras Antes 1608
> Maria Andrade Miguel Vilegas Antes 1607
> Felipa de Arelano Gonzalo Portillo 13 Sep 1607
> Hernan Arguelo Maria de Navarete Antes 1608
> Beatriz Armenta Miguel Ceton 22 Sep 1609
> Ana de Banuelos Vicente Saldivar 31 Aug 1609
> Maria Bedio Cristobal Francisco 28 Apr 1608
> Diego Chavez Isabel Garcia 03 Feb 1608
> Juan de Condamafea Catalina Sanchez 20 Aug 1605

Comment

Esther:

I have transcribed (as best I could) the entire entry off the film and it is available in the GEDCOM database. If you search under Melchora Abrego you will find your entry for her and my entry for her.

Where did you find these people? I am thinking that this has already been transcribed somewhere but cannot figure out where since just bits and pieces show up in various compiled genealogies. Perhaps Gramendia-Leal or Inclan have transcriptions that they have not shared with the general public?

Comment

Esther and Arturo,

I made a copy of that entry in SLC because they are my direct ancestors
also.....I descend directly from their son Juan Flores de Abrego.....this
line ties in with my Trevino lineage when they use the Abrego and Trevino
names within the same family.....quite confusing sometimes~!

Esther, the original entry does not state anything about parents or place of
birth. The only other info they state is that the padrinos were "Juan de
Montalvo and Dona Ma. Delanga (?) su mujer de esta cuidad." Most of the
entries at this time on this film did not contain info on parents, etc.

Esther......I am getting ready to leave tomorrow (again!) but will return
next week......I will work on the info I said I would send you.....please be
patient with me! :-) My problema is that I have been AWAY from home MORE
than I am at home!

Will keep in touch!

Josie in San Antonio

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eaherold@att.net
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 9:54 AM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Zacatecas Marriages 1600s

Arturo,

Melchora Abrego and Pedro Flores are my direct ancestors. Was there other
information available on the marriage investigation like parents or place of
birth or were they listed as veciinos? I am descended from their son
Nicolas.

THanks,
--
Esther

-------------- Original message from arturoramos :
--------------

>
> While in Salt Lake City last weekend, I spent time going through the
> earliest Zacatecas, Zacatecas film of "Informacion Matrimonial." I
> have begun extracting all of the marriages from 1604 (beginning of the
> film) through 1628 (when the film lapses until about 1680).
>
> I have uploaded what I have extracted thus far into the GEDCOM
> database in a tree called Zacatecas Marriages. Unfortunately, most of
> the entries do not include parents' names.
>
> Please let me know if you have any questions about this... to give you
> an idea of what is in there:
>
> Balthazar ? Beatriz Saldana Antes 1608 Juan Alvarez Gomez Maria Diaz
> de Arelano 25 Jan 1606 Francisca Baptista Balthazar Gomez 1605 Diego
> Benavides Luisa Herera Antes 1608 Isabel Caldera Christobal Martinez
> 1609 ? Careno Maria Munoz Alonzo Antes 1607 Miguel Ceton Beatriz de
> Armenta 2 Sep 1609 Pedro Chaves Quiteria Guzman 30 Nov 1607 Juan
> Cornejo Maria Vilegas 22 Jan 1607 Leonor Cortes Christobal Saldana
> Antes 1607 Melchora de Abrego Pedro Flores 21 Feb 1607 Pedro Alcaraz
> Juana de Paras Antes 1608 Maria Andrade Miguel Vilegas Antes 1607
> Felipa de Arelano Gonzalo Portillo 13 Sep 1607 Hernan Arguelo Maria de
> Navarete Antes 1608 Beatriz Armenta Miguel Ceton 22 Sep 1609 Ana de
> Banuelos Vicente Saldivar 31 Aug 1609 Maria Bedio Cristobal Francisco
> 28 Apr 1608 Diego Chavez Isabel Garcia 03 Feb 1608 Juan de Condamafea
> Catalina Sanchez 20 Aug 1605

¿como puedo subir un archivo gedcom?

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Hola a todos
Me gustaría subir mi gedcom para compartirlo y ver si hay alguien más con intereses comunes debido a los apellidos que pueda contener.
Jose de Loza

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Published by arturoramos – Tue, 2006-10-24 09:57 | Permalink

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(English below)

Jose, y cualquier otra persona que quiera compartir sus investigaciones a traves de GEDCOM:

Lo primero que tienes que hacer es simplemente ingresar al sitio y hacer clik al menu "GEDCOM" en la parte superior de la pagina. Esto creara una cuenta para ti en esa base de datos que te dara aceso para leer pero no montar archivos.

Luego, escribenos a moderator (arroba) nuestrosranchos.org y dejanos saber que lo haz hecho y que quieres montar tu GEDCOM, o bien no lo mandas adjunto. Luego te daremos acceso para montar archivos e instrucciones mas especificas, o bien te lo montaremos.

For Jose and anybody else that would like to share their research via a GEDCOM file:

The first thing you must do is simply log on to the website and click on the GEDCOM menu item at the top of the page. This will create an account for you in that database and give you access to read other GEDCOMs but not upload your own.

You will then need to write us at moderator (at) nuestrosranchos.org and tell us that you have created an account in the GEDCOM database and would like to upload a GEDCOM, or simply email us the file. We will then give you uploading privileges and give you more specific instructions or upload the file for you.

Report on Salt Lake City trip

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I am finally back in San Antonio and trying to get "back to normal" after
spending a wonderful week at the FHC in SLC meeting some great people~!

Meeting with Kitty and Rich Cortez as well as with Arturo Ramos, Lydia

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Published by Sara36g64@yahoo.com (not verified) – Mon, 2006-10-23 21:30 | Permalink

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Hi, Josie,
I'm sorry I haven't got back to you, but I was really under the weather from the pneumonia vaccine I had last week
Only thing I have to report is that I sent Mira the return receipt letter last Wed. and haven't received the P.O. receipt. I also sent her and her husband the letter by regular mail on Fri. .She didn't show up for her family reunion on Sat. She has til Nov. 2 to return everything or we go to the JP. We have our fingers crossed.
Sara

"Josie T. Trevino" wrote:
I am finally back in San Antonio and trying to get "back to normal" after
spending a wonderful week at the FHC in SLC meeting some great people~!

Meeting with Kitty and Rich Cortez as well as with Arturo Ramos, Lydia
Corona and her friend Becky, Ulla, Jonathan and a lot of other people made
this trip a success for me!

Although the presentations were made in Spanish they spoke it slow enough to
allow me to understand it. I had a conversation with George Ryskamp and his
wife Peggy as well as with Ruth Gomez Schirmacher on Saturday evening. They
asked my opinion of the event and I suggested that they consider having the
same presentations in ENGLISH as well as in Spanish next year. I explained
to them that our "Nuestros Group" is bilingual but that there are a lot of
us who prefer English. I also made this comment on the "feedback" sheets
they passed out after some of the presentations. Mr. Ryskamp and his wife
listened to my suggestion and I believe they will consider it. I plan to
keep in touch with them regarding this. They explained to me that there are
a lot of things to be considered in order to make this possible but I
believe that it can be worked out......somehow!

I also suggested that more emphasis be placed on "Research in Mexico" which
is the focal point for a lot of us before we can make the "big jump over the
pond" to Spain. Mr. Ryskamp presented wonderful presentations on Spain
research but I feel that more focus on Mexico would be profitable for me.
All in all it was a wonderful opportunity for us to learn more from the
"best"..........

Another great presenter was Lynn Turner who presented "Genealogia Mexicana
en el Internet" and had a great handout. I can send this list to the group
if anyone is interested........just let me know. Mr. Turner has the
website: www.hispanicroots.net and is very helpful.

The past month has been filled with great things for me........spending time
with my daughter Kim and her family from Switzerland, seeing my newest
grand child again and experiencing her "two new teeth" with her.......as
well as the fussiness and fever that accompanies it! :-) Spending time
with my fellow researchers in SLC and meeting all of them in person was a
wonderful experience that I hope to repeat next year if possible.

If anyone has any suggestions that I can pass on to Mr. Ryskamp and Ms.
Schirmacher please let me know.

Josie in San Antonio

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