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How exciting - can you decipher what this means?

Esperanza

Wow Emilie, there sure are quite a bit of films I noticed that they even have films from Durango, and many for the Chihuahua, newspapers archives. I need to find a person at UTEP that has a good grasp of what the films contain and where they are located. I saw many Ayuntamiento films on the list. What a huge playground and what's great is that you can copy a page from a film and download it to a flash stick, for free. Thanks again for the heads up!
Yolanda

John,

Go to your nearest FHC and do a Library Catalog search under El PASO. Under the subjects you will see an entry for IMMIGRATION. Press on Immigration and do a look for DETAILS. You will see a list of FILM #s. Go to the year you areinterested in. Then rent it.

Esther

PS. DO you know of any Diego Robles in Cuencame in 1598? I think he may be my ancestor.

AyalaRobles
--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from john robles : --------------

> Hi All
> Can anyone direct me on where to go for immigratiopn records? I am fortunate
> enough to have the date and year that my grandparents and two children crossed
> into the United States at El Paso. I am sure this could be the key to some new
> info.
> Thanks!
> John Robles

Corinne,
About 3 weeks ago I heard about this story from a reunion of people from Teocaltitan de Guadalupe (AKA Tecua), Jalisco. The reunion was in Sacramento and Tecua is a small town near Jalostotitlan, Jalisco, Mexico.

What is Geneanet and how do I access this story?

Thanks,
Maria Elena Uhlenburg-Gutierrez

Emilie Garcia wrote:
Corinne,

There is a story on GeneaNet about how the surname Martin del Campo de la Hacienda de la Yegua Rusa came to be. A baby boy was left at the doorstep of the Hacienda, and his name was Martin del Campo.

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ----

Claro que si! Of course!

john robles escribió: I had to post this and share it with you all because I am so thrilled! No one had been able to find any information on the Hacienda de Los Campos, Aguascalientes where my grandmother was born. I searched and searched under all configurations, and FINALLY when switching from Yahoo's engine to Google's, I found an oral history narrated by an elderly man from El Molino, municipality of Asientos, Aguascalientes. In his narrative he tells how his pueblo of El Molino was once part of La Hacienda De Los Campos! He said that the Hacienda once had huge holdings of land in a place in the northeast that was disputed by three states but which became part of Aguascalientes (Asientos). He said that in the middle of the century there was muich rain which eventually destroyed the hacienda (or the lands - my Spanish translation is so-so on this because he seems to ranmble a bit) and one of the vestiges that was left was the water powered mill
with which the hacendados made wheat flour, so
the pueblo became known as El Molino. The oterh payoff from this is that while looking at the names of haciendas in Asientos, I found Ojo de Agua de Rosales, my grandfather's birthplace! This makes Asientos my 'family home' so to speak. Another breakthrough...do you all feel as elated as I do when you make an exciting find like this??
John

John,

Thank you for sharing that breakthrough!! I feel very happy for you and yes we have all been there. It begins with a small whisper somewhere in our subconcious and before we know it we start to put a voice to that small whisper that asks many questions and has few answers. We begin putting together the stories and legends we've heard from our relatives.

Some of us feel it as a hunger to know where we came from and why are we here. In my case I was born in Mexico and was brought to the US at 2 years of age as an undocumented alien as some would now call us. As relatives would arrive my parents would say this is your tio or tia....Oooh so many tias and tios that I would ask why or how is it my aunt or uncle. Some were clearly aunts and uncles but most I could not see the connection and was told, "No seas tan preguntona" "Don't be so nosy" as if that would satisfy my curiosity.

The years went by, I married a third cousin that I did not know was my cousin. We had our children, they married anglos and I felt a sense of loss and detachment from my culture. Something kept pulling me back to my ancestors and I answered the call. Mostly I wanted to know something about my father-in-law's family as my husband never knew anything about his paternal relations.

In January of 2004 I announced to my family that I was gifting myself a trip to Salt Lake as a birthday gift, to begin my genealogical research in earnest. When In Salt Lake, I found the birth record of my father-in-law's brother, Julian Carrillo Jauregui. I know the earth stopped spinning for a fraction of a second in jubilation for this the first of many great finds. To date I still have not found a birth or baptism record for my father-in-law Antonio Carrillo Jauregui who was believed to have been born around 1901 in Nochistlan, Zacatecas. This has not dampened my spirit, on the contrary, it's what keeps me going. It's like a drug, each find compells you to keep digging and sends you off into new areas of research.

John Robles, I wish you continued success in your research and know that this is just the first of many breakthroughs. Now you can do the happy dance as most of us have done.

Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo
San Jose, Calif

I had to post this and share it with you all because I am so thrilled! No one had been able to find any information on the Hacienda de Los Campos, Aguascalientes where my grandmother was born. I searched and searched under all configurations, and FINALLY when switching from Yahoo's engine to Google's, I found an oral history narrated by an elderly man from El Molino, municipality of Asientos, Aguascalientes. In his narrative he tells how his pueblo of El Molino was once part of La Hacienda De Los Campos! He said that the Hacienda once had huge holdings of land in a place in the northeast that was disputed by three states but which became part of Aguascalientes (Asientos). He said that in the middle of the century there was muich rain which eventually destroyed the hacienda (or the lands - my Spanish translation is so-so on this because he seems to ranmble a bit) and one of the vestiges that was left was the water powered mill with which the hacendados made wheat flour, so
the pueblo became known as El Molino. The oterh payoff from this is that while looking at the names of haciendas in Asientos, I found Ojo de Agua de Rosales, my grandfather's birthplace! This makes Asientos my 'family home' so to speak. Another breakthrough...do you all feel as elated as I do when you make an exciting find like this??
John

Corrine,

please please please do get her to record it. and ask if its okay for me
to use it for the Cuentos and Poetry section of the
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com podcast project. I'd love to have her
read for the podcast. wonderful idea.

The invitation is extended to all members of the group. Get your poetry,
stories, oral history together and I'll record you and upload the
finished product on the podcast project. Imagine, you'll be famous!!!

joseph

Corrine Ardoin wrote:

>I was checking out the Poems and Cuentos in the files and thought of asking
>if anyone had ever heard of the story from Jalisco about "hijo de la yegua
>rusa," which means son of a russian mare. Anyways, my mother regrets not
>paying any attention to her aunt telling the story to my sister, both of
>whom are now deceased. Another of my mom's aunts is still living, so we
>hope to get the story from her and record it.
>
>Corrine Ardoin
>

Jose Humberto
I found this file very interesting since I've taken my maternal lines back to Tlazalaca and Chilchota Michoacan during the same time period you have. I see you have found them in Guadalajara before 1620 or so. I am on a month long vacation across the states but will order the Tlazazalca films when I return to Everett Washington in Dec. Like yours, my ancestors left Michoacan and went to Jalisco but later than yours, mine did not leave Michoacan until late 1700's. My Alvarez del Castillo lines have connections to some of the same surnames you mention..
thank you for sharing them,
Linda from BC on her way to Ohio, Georgia and California

ps.. we went through Salt Lake today, autumn is in full bloom and the weather was mid 70's, have a great time there finding elusive records..

Jose Humberto Suarez Villarreal wrote:
Hola a todos:

En mi folder de archivos podrán encontrar un reporte de los ancestros de mi
bisabuela Zenaida Orozco Moreno. (14 generaciones)

Archivos --- Archivos de Genealogia de Miembros --- Jose Humberto Suarez
Villarreal ------------------------- Ancestros de Zenaida Orozco Moreno /
Zenaida Orozco Moreno´s Ancestors

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/filemanager/active?fid=1263

Saludos
Jose Humberto
---------------------------------
Hello everyone:

In my file folder you will find an ancestor report for my great-grandmother
Zenaida Orozco Moreno (14 generations)

Files --- Members´ Genealogy --- Jose Humberto Suarez Villarreal
----------------------------------------------------Ancestros de Zenaida
Orozco Moreno / Zenaida Orozco Moreno´s Ancestors

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/filemanager/active?fid=1263

Best Regards
Jose Humberto

What IS the Ex-haciendas list and how can I find it? I have ancestors
who owned haciendas and I'd like to know where they were, too! Thanks.
Marge:)
On Sep 29, 2006, at 8:01 AM, john robles wrote:

> This was a major discovery for me, because the Hacienda no longer
> appears anywhere, not even in the ex-Haciendas list.
> Thanks
> John

Hi Corrine,

Did you upload the wedding photo? If you did, I can't find it. I
would like to see it. Have you found any connections between the
Romero/de la Torre's of Tepatitlan and your family?

Linda

romero89@earthlink.net

> Researching: Romero, Hallstead/Halstead, Davis, Hamm, Capwell,
> Buell, Beltz, Chandler, Burgess, Hitchcock, de la Torre, Hotchkiss,
> Moore, Nichol/Nichols, Phelps, Scott, Sherwood, Trowbridge, Barba,
> Brewster, Fisher, Foulkes
>

On Sep 8, 2006, at 4:52 PM, research-
request@lists.nuestrosranchos.org wrote:

> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 22:00:40 -0700
> From: "Corrine Ardoin"
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Romero/De La Torre
> To:
> Message-ID: <20060908050044.5BB3113B9D3@randymail-mx2.dreamhost.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Hi, Everyone:
>
> I am trying to see if there is a connection between my family and the
> Romero's/De La Torre's of Tepatitlan de Morelos. My Martin Del Campo
> ancestors were from there and my great-aunt Rosario Martin Del
> Campo married
> a Romero before she immigrated to the United States. I have an old
> photo of
> the wedding party I plan on uploading (or is the correct word
> downloading?)
> that includes herself with her sister, my grandmother, Magdalena,
> to her
> right, and her other sister, Maria Luisa on her left. Behind each
> of them,
> stands their escorts and I'm wondering if the man behind Rosario is
> the man
> she married. Must be, but I am not sure. If it is, then that is a
> picture
> of the Romero she married. She must have married him pretty
> young. It had
> to have been taken in the very early 1920's. When I get my scanner
> fixed I
> will be able to get that photo online for others to see.
>
> Corrine Ardoin
>

Hi, Alicia,

I think those batches without accompanying film numbers is due to the fact that the transcriber didn't finish the job, and their supervisors didn't review their entries. I used to see some people in our other library (the one they closed) doing transcriptions for the index, and some were very good at it, and others had trouble. I see many examples like yours in my searches too. Maybe Jonathan in Utah can find out what happened on your specific example?

Emilie
----- Original Message -----
From: Alicia Carrillo
To: Ranchos ; Jonathan
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 12:14 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Films in IGI

Does anyone know why a film would have a batch number but no associated film # or dates for the film on the IGI?

Any help would be appreciated. I have copied below an example for Asientos, Aguascalientes, Mexico that has the batch # but not the film# or dates.

Alicia Carrillo
San Jose, Calif

PAULA
Female

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 26 FEB 1884 Nuestra Senora De Belen, Asientos, Aguascalientes, Mexico

Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: PABLO LUEVANO Family
Mother: LEOCADIA SAUCEDO

Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

C646205

Is this your same Antonio de Riva(s)?

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/taro/utlac/00083/00083p1-P.html

It appears that San Pedro de Gallo was part of the bishphoric of
Durango during this time. It looks to have been more a predisio than
an actual town in the early 1700s... It appears to have been part of
the partido de Nazas, previously known as Cinco Senores. The town did
not have a church until 1787, so there would be no parrish in which to
record his baptism in the town in 1721.

http://www.e-local.gob.mx/work/templates/enciclo/durango/mpios/10030a.h…

1742, 28 de marzo:
Don Juan Baptista de Leizaola: Testamiento sobre preguntas que
serán expresadas a José de Bargas y a Nicolás de Manjares; Capitán don
Antonio de la Riva, San Antonio del Río de las Nazas, Arroyo de
Naicha, capitán don Sebastián Núñez, don Juan Andrés de Aldas, Aguage,
Llanos de la Yerbabuena, Santiaquillo, Santo Domingo. Juan Baptista de
Leizaola a Francisco José de Leizaola a Ygnacio del Horno. (San Pedro
del Galló).
1742, 8 de abril:
Don Antonio de la Riva: Auto; San Antonio de Cuencame, José de
Bargas, Nicolás de Minjares, San Pedro del Gallo, don Juan Baptista de
Leizaola. Antonio de la Riva a Juan Antonio de Castro y a Augustín de
Zepeda. (Hacienda de San Antonio del Río de las Nazas).
José de Bargas: Declaración de José de Vargas; don Juan Baptista
de Leizaola, Tierras de Neicha, capitán don Sebastián Núñez, don Juan
Andrés de Aldas, Yerbabuena. Antonio de la Riva a Juan Antonio de
Castro a Augustín de Zepeda. (Hacienda de San Antonio de Río de las
Nazas).
Antonio de la Riva: Auto; Santo Domingo Casco, Arroyo de Neicha,
Santiaquillo, Encinillas, El Potrero de Corral. Juan Antonio de Castro
a Augustín de Zepeda.
Nicolás de Minjares: Declaración de Nicolás de Minjares; capitán
don Juan Baptista de Leizaola, Bernardo de Gamdia?, capitán don
Sebastián Núñez, Tierras de Neicha, San Pedro del Gallo, don Juan
Andrés de Aldas, Arroyo de Naicha, Santiaquillo, Casco, Santo Domingo.
Antonio de la Riva a Juan Antonio de Castro a Augustín de Zepeda.
(Hacienda de S. Antonio de Nazas).
1742, 11 de abril:
Don Antonio de la Riva: Certificación del teniente; San Pedro del
Gallo, don Juan Andrés de Aldas, Cerro de Yerbabuena, Arroyo de
Neicha, Santiaquillo, Encinillas, Casco, Santo Domingo, don Juan
Baptista de Leizaola, Antonio de la Riva a Juan Antonio de Castro a
Augustín de Zepeda. (Hacienda de San Antonio de Río de las Nazas).

Hi Corrine
Where are you located? I have a former coworker named Luis Martin del Campo, I am sure he fits in there someplace...
John

Corrine Ardoin wrote:
I just wanted to let you know that I uploaded a file in the Member's
Genealogy of my Martin Del Campo ancestry. I tried to, at first, keep it to
what I have proven thus far in documentation, but I hope to be able to add
to it soon. On the IGI, I have found what may be more people to add to my
chart, but I still need to check into that for myself. I hope others find
what I have provided helpful and informative for their own research.

Corrine Ardoin

Isn't it amazing how you can sit down to do a few minutes work on your genealogy and it turns into several hours???

Emilie Garcia wrote: I just have to share this, especially with you John Robles, since you are new to Mexican searches:

For the six years that I have been using the IGI on FamilySearch.com, I have been looking and looking for my husband's great-great grandmother who I found listed on her marriage certificate as "Antonia Ornelas". I have found her ancestors clear back to the early 1700s. Her parents were listed only as "Ramona Ornelas" (hija natural de) in her marriage record and in some of the baptisms of her children. Even though her mother Ramona appears to have been married at the time to a Gregorio Gonzales, and the children of that marriage born before and after Antonia have both parents listed in their baptismal records, I could never find Antonia. She has been listed in other records variously as "Ma. Antonia Ornelas" or "Antonia Gonzales" or "Antonia de Leon" (don't know how the de Leon ties in).

SO, for some reason today the Muse told me, "Look for Antonia again", and though I was not in the mood, and I have house and yard work to do, I sat down at the computer and for some reason just typed in "Maria Antonia" in the first name field and "Mexico" in the Country field, then when it said "more than 25" I clicked on "refine" to enter the state name (Jalisco), then I started thumbing through thousands of "Maria" entries (it did not pick up the Antonia), refined it further to the date range that I thought Antonia might have been born in (1825, +/- 2 yrs, then 1830, etc.).

I kept telling the Muse, what is this going to get me, I probably won't even get Encarnacion de Diaz to come up since the listings for Jalisco are enormously long and the cities are not arranged alphabetically but in batches (more on that later) and the FamilySearch will only access 5000 names at a time, and if what you are looking for is not in the first 5000, you cannot get more records to download. BUT, I just kept at it, and after viewing a few thousand Marias, the Muse said, "See that?" Yes, I saw it---HORNELAS!!! Not knowing old Spanish, I never thought to look for Hornelas instead of Ornelas. That Hornelas wasn't Antonia, but it gave me the clue that some priests wrote Ornelas with an "H".

NEXT, I did a new search by entering just Hornelas in the surname field, then refining it to Jalisco, and voila! it brought up only a few Hornelas, one of which was my husband's Antonia. She is listed simply as Antonia Hornelas, no Maria in front of it, and her only parent listed is Ramona Hornelas. I have the film on permanent loan, but haven't gotten to it yet, since I review all my films slowly looking at every record. Why she is listed with her mother's surname only and why only her mother is listed in her baptism record is a mystery.

As for looking for people by looking up the BATCH number for a certain city and date range, I never would have found Antonia that way. The batch she is listed in has no Ornelas, because the priest did not spell that name that way. The batch number searches work well if you know the possible alternate spellings.

Halleleujah!

Emilie --doing the happy dance out the door in Port Orchard, WA (the weeds and the fresh air are waiting for me)

Viva! Viva! Viva! for you. The way I look in the IGI is using Jose Hernandez by any of the states, since I think there is no town without a Jose Hernandez. Once there appears Jose Hernandez lists I choose the town I´m interested on and the date, of course, and then I click on batch number and then search and it will show all the Ornelas with and without an "H" for that period of time that batch holds. Hope happiness.

Emilie Garcia escribió: I just have to share this, especially with you John Robles, since you are new to Mexican searches:

For the six years that I have been using the IGI on FamilySearch.com, I have been looking and looking for my husband's great-great grandmother who I found listed on her marriage certificate as "Antonia Ornelas". I have found her ancestors clear back to the early 1700s. Her parents were listed only as "Ramona Ornelas" (hija natural de) in her marriage record and in some of the baptisms of her children. Even though her mother Ramona appears to have been married at the time to a Gregorio Gonzales, and the children of that marriage born before and after Antonia have both parents listed in their baptismal records, I could never find Antonia. She has been listed in other records variously as "Ma. Antonia Ornelas" or "Antonia Gonzales" or "Antonia de Leon" (don't know how the de Leon ties in).

SO, for some reason today the Muse told me, "Look for Antonia again", and though I was not in the mood, and I have house and yard work to do, I sat down at the computer and for some reason just typed in "Maria Antonia" in the first name field and "Mexico" in the Country field, then when it said "more than 25" I clicked on "refine" to enter the state name (Jalisco), then I started thumbing through thousands of "Maria" entries (it did not pick up the Antonia), refined it further to the date range that I thought Antonia might have been born in (1825, +/- 2 yrs, then 1830, etc.).

I kept telling the Muse, what is this going to get me, I probably won't even get Encarnacion de Diaz to come up since the listings for Jalisco are enormously long and the cities are not arranged alphabetically but in batches (more on that later) and the FamilySearch will only access 5000 names at a time, and if what you are looking for is not in the first 5000, you cannot get more records to download. BUT, I just kept at it, and after viewing a few thousand Marias, the Muse said, "See that?" Yes, I saw it---HORNELAS!!! Not knowing old Spanish, I never thought to look for Hornelas instead of Ornelas. That Hornelas wasn't Antonia, but it gave me the clue that some priests wrote Ornelas with an "H".

NEXT, I did a new search by entering just Hornelas in the surname field, then refining it to Jalisco, and voila! it brought up only a few Hornelas, one of which was my husband's Antonia. She is listed simply as Antonia Hornelas, no Maria in front of it, and her only parent listed is Ramona Hornelas. I have the film on permanent loan, but haven't gotten to it yet, since I review all my films slowly looking at every record. Why she is listed with her mother's surname only and why only her mother is listed in her baptism record is a mystery.

As for looking for people by looking up the BATCH number for a certain city and date range, I never would have found Antonia that way. The batch she is listed in has no Ornelas, because the priest did not spell that name that way. The batch number searches work well if you know the possible alternate spellings.

Halleleujah!

Emilie --doing the happy dance out the door in Port Orchard, WA (the weeds and the fresh air are waiting for me)

I actually did ifnd a person named Robles in Puebla and I emailed to see if they were a relation. I haven't heard back though. Robles is a much more common name than Nieves, I think...
Actually my Spanish if fine but not when it comes to deciphering what a man says in a narrative that is sort of rambling with sentences that go on for miles!
I have attached a copy of it..if anyone wishes to translate it I would be eternally grateful and try to return the favor somehow. I get the gist of it but would love to read every word.
John

Joseph Puentes wrote:

Just a quick message about the most valuable resource in my genealogy so
far. Somehow someway I managed to copy a couple of pages out of an old
phonebook that my mom used to use. The copying took place way before I
was seriously interested in genealogy and I promptly put them in with a
very tall stack of papers in my "save" section of multiple other stacks
of papers. Well one day many years after, but during my new found love
for genealogy (just about 12 months ago) I found that paper and boy was
I surprised. Here in my own handwriting was the answer to my brickwall.
A phone number to a person that my aunt had told me to contact because
they were related to my maternal Grandmother who I didn't even know what
her real name was. I called that person and got enough information to
find my Grandmother's baptism certificate and then a few generations
more back. Then on those pages from the phone book I found another
branch of my maternal Grandfathers family effectively increasing that
side of the family at least 100% and maybe upward of 200-300%.

Aside from old personal phone books I have spent a lot of time with just
regular phone books. If your spanish is not so good just start with the
border cities in the US and call all the people in those towns (El Paso,
Calexico, San Diego, many others) with the surnames you are hunting for.
Just tell them right off what you're doing something like: "I'm a
genealogist and I share the same surname as you do. My 'Puentes' come
from Jalisco Mexico and I was wondering if your 'Puentes' line also came
from Mexico? etc. etc. etc." I've managed to find several lost branches
of the family with that technique and it also works when calling mexico
even though I needed to find a good calling card that gives lots of
minutes for Mexico.

I guess I said all that to say that yes I have many times felt something
very similar to feeling the way John Robles has felt in finding
breakthroughs. I describe it as my heart do physical backflips.