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Hi Emilie,

I suspect that the information found in the IGI database was
misinterpreted by the person submitting the record. Sometimes the word
"puesto" is hard to read, but now that I know what I'm looking for, I can
usually make it out.

As far as I can tell the word puesto was not part of the name of the
place. It was like saying, "I'm from the city or town or village of
(wherever)." So these individuals indicated to the curate or whoever wrote
the entry that they were from the puesto of (wherever).

In the example of Puerta del Llano in Aguascalientes, which you
found on an up-to-date map, it appears that Puerta is part of the actual
name of the place.

~Deena~

> From: "Emilie Garcia"

> On my husband's gggg-grandmother's (Maria Maxima Duron Reyes) birth record
> (can be viewed only in IGI-submitted by a member after 1991) her birth
> place is listed as Puerto del Marquez, Aguascalientes, 1792.

> the closest listing I get is Puerta del Llano, Aguascalientes. Could
> these Puerto/Puesto really be Puerta de ----?

I created a folder for you and moved your file into it. have a look in
the members genealogies area of the group.

joseph

ps: go ahead and tell the group at this address:
research@nuestrosranchos.org about the material in your folder

ylricro wrote:

>Joseph or Arturo - I was able to post my Asebes family tree. Can one of you please put it where ever it belongs? Or give me instructions how to move it?

----- Original Message ----
From: ylricro ylricro@att.net

Rickie,

Have you requested the Informacion Matrimonial for the year or years in which they may have been married? These are great sources of information when you can't find who the parents were of the bride and groom on a marriage record.

For that time period between the late 1700's early 1800's, there is an Arroyo Hondo within the municipality of Nochistlan which is presently between Jalpa Zac and Calvillo Aguascalientes, close to Tepezala ouside of Jalpa. I believe that into the 1900's it is no longer part of Nochistlan but I could be wrong. I have many of my Jauregui's that were from Arroyo Hondo.

Where it appears to say Puerto de Arroyo Hondo it may be punto de Arroyo Hondo. I too have been confused at times with what looks to be Puerto. I go through other records in that same film to see how it's written and I have found it to be punto not puerto(port). I have multiple magnifying lenses that I use once I've copied the record. I then take the record and print the section that is in question at least 25% larger, or more if necessary to make out the specific lettering. Always compare the letters to adjacent records on that roll of film so you can become familiar with the handwriting in question. Remember, the scribes or priests usually were not from that town, they would arrive green into new towns and impose their own interpretations on names of towns, ranchos, haciendas etc.

I hope this helps,
Alicia Carrillo, San Jose, Calif

I have been doing research on my fathers family (Asebes) since June 03. Now I have run into a brickwall with Ricardo de Asebes and his wife Ana Maria de Hortis. They are my 4th great grandparents. I cannot find any information about them in the Familysearch program. I have copies of their son, Dionicio/Leonicio (my 3rd great grandfather) and their daughter Maria Quirina, marriages, where it states that they were married (each 2 times) in Nochistlan, Zac. His marriages were in 1799 and 1804, and hers in 1803 and 1820. It also says that he was "originario del Puerto del Arroyo Hondo". We cannot read where she was from. My husband is from Tonala, Jal. and helps me translate. On those records are the names of Ana and Ricardo only, no grandparents. Also I cannot find any birth/baptismal records for Dionicio or Quirina. I would appreaciate any help.
I am also trying to figure out how to submit my Family Tree.

Rickie Rosales

Esther:

Hello, we are distant cousins concerning the Arriola family. Our direct ancestors are Juan Ramos Arriola and María Melendez. You descend from the couple´s daughter Agustina Arriola and I descend from a couple´s son Juan Ramos de Arriola who had several children. I descend from three of this children: Jacinto Ramos de Arriola, José Ramos de Arriola and Mariana Ramos de Arriola.

1-Jacinto Ramos de Arriola
*Juana Ramos de Arriola Guajardo
**José Jacinto González de Paredes Ramos de Arriola
***María Josefa González de Neyra
****María Antonia Siller González
*****María de la Trinidad Zertuche Siller
******José de Jesús María de la Fuente Zertuche
*******David de la Fuente Barrera
********Guadalupe de la Fuente Rodríguez
*********Sylvia Guillermina Villarreal de la Fuente
**********José Humberto Suárez Villarreal

2-Jose Ramos de Arriola y Flores
*Francisco Xavier Ramos de Arriola
**María Guadalupe Ramos de Arriola de Cárdenas Pinillas
***Pedro José de Aguirre Ramos
****Ana María de Jesús Aguirre de León
*****Julio Zertuche Aguirre
******María Francisca Domitila Zertuche Barrera
*******Humberto José Villarreal Zertuche
********Sylvia Guillermina Villarreal de la Fuente
*********José Humberto Suárez Villarreal

3A-Mariana Ramos de Arriola
*Pedro José de Aguirre y Ramos
**José Joaquín de Aguirre y Aguirre
***Pedro José de Aguirre Ramos
****Ana María de Jesús Aguirre de León
*****Julio Zertuche Aguirre
******María Francisca Domitila Zertuche Barrera
*******Humberto José Villarreal Zertuche
********Sylvia Guillermina Villarreal de la Fuente
*********José Humberto Suárez Villarreal

3B-Mariana Ramos de Arriola
*Juana Gerónima de Aguirre y Ramos
**Ana Ventura de Cárdenas Pinillas Aguirre
***María Guadalupe Ramos de Arriola de Cárdenas Pinillas
****Pedro José de Aguirre Ramos
*****Ana María de Jesús Aguirre de León
******Julio Zertuche Aguirre
*******María Francisca Domitila Zertuche Barrera
********Humberto José Villarreal Zertuche
*********Sylvia Guillermina Villarreal de la Fuente
**********José Humberto Suárez Villarreal

On the Villarreal side, from my most direct Villarreal ancestor I don´t have much information, haven´t been able to find it yet. This is what I have:

Nicolás Villarreal married on August 24, 1811 in Nuestra Señora de Guadalupe Salinas Victoria, Salinas Victoria, Nuevo León, México to Petra Cantú. They had:
María de Jesús Leocadia Villarreal Cantú (1813)
María Leocadia Villarreal Cantú (1814)
María Rosalía Villarreal Cantú (1817)
María Dominga Villarreal Cantú (1819)
Juan de Diós Villarreal Cantú (1821)
José Emiliano Villarreal Cantú (1823)
María Andrea Villarreal Cantú (1835)

All of them were christened in Nuestra Señora de Guadalupe Salinas Victoria, Salinas Victoria, Nuevo León, México

I just have info about José Emiliano Villarreal Cantú, he married (I don´t know where) María Gela Villarreal or María Angela Villarreal and they are the parents of my great grandfather Antonio L. Villarreal Villarreal who was born in 1857 and married in 1893 María Francisca Domitila Zertuche Barrera (1863).

José Emiliano and María Gela or Maria Angela had another child, Albina Villarreal Villarreal in 1862 who married in 1880 Hilario Vilarreal González, son of José María Villarreal y Gutiérrez and María Sóstenes González. I don´t know if they had children.

My great-grandparents Antonio and María Francisca Domitila had just 3 children. A girl named Guillermina Julieta died at just two months of birth. Then comes my grandfather Humberto José (1904-1985) who married my granda Guadalupe de la Fuente Rodriguez daughter of David de la Fuente Barrera and Ecliceria Rodriguez Cantú. My grandparents had 3 children, one aunt unmarried, my uncle Humberto married, he has 5 children, 2 of them married and there are 3 grandchildren, and my mom Silvia Guillermina, married to a very distant cousin José Ramos Suarez Rotter, descendant of Diego Temiño de Velasco, whom is the same ancestor of my mother. It´s my sister, married and has two sons and at last its me, single.

My grandfather had only one sister besides the one who died as a baby. She was my aunt Ampara Villarreal Zertuche (1907-1996), she married, had 2 daughters still alive, six grandchildren and several great-grandchildren. As you see my direct Villarreal family is small, although there are many Villarreales out there I haven´t been able to link Nicolás Villarreal to anyone else.

Keep in touch.
Jose Humberto

busca la persona mas grande despues tienes que ir a "View" entonces a
"Genealogy Report" entonces "Contents" y "Number of generations to show"
y tienes que hacer este numero el numero que no va enseñar parientes
vivos. . .puede ser la generacion de sus abuelitos. Despues que el
reporte es exacto como lo quieres vete a "File" y a "Export Genealogy
report" y a ".rtf" o ".pdf" y guardalo en un lugar en su computador.

okay here is how to do it. First go to the oldest individual. then go
"View" and then to "Genealogy Report" then go to "Contents" and "Number
of geneations to show" and pick a number that does not show any living
relatives. Probably around your grandparents. After the report is
exactly like you want it then go to "File" and down to "Export Genealogy
report" pick the option for .rtf and save it someplace with the name of
that oldest relative and the date.

joseph

Tomás Alejandro Villegas Gómez wrote:

> hola a Todos:
>
> Alguien podria decirme paso a paso como hacer reportes genealogicos,
>usando algun programa de genealogia, ya sea
>en PDF o en forma de Grupo Familiar o en forma de linea de descendencia o de
>acendencia, para evitarme estar tecleando
>uno a uno a mis ancestros o a alguna linea especifica de la que quiera
>hablar.
>
> Les agradeszco muchisimo de antemano.
> Yo uso el Family Tree Maker 2005.
>
>
>

Lavaniya,

Are you looking at marriage films or is it Informacion Matrimonial, there is a difference.
Informacion matrimonial does the marriage investigation of the bride and the groom. The parents submit the request for their children's marriage to the church. Along with this request 3 or 4 witnesses for each come forth to say they know either the bride or the groom. Once the investigation is complete, it could be a few months or it could take up to a year, they post the marriage date. Sometimes it's in the same film and other times in different films for different years, depending on the location or municipality. If there were many marriage petitions that year it will split into several years' films, fewer marriage petitions, chances are you would find all the marriage info within the one roll of film from the date they petitioned to be married until the day they are actually married.

Marriage films only show the date they married, not the investigation.

Alicia

----- Original Message ----
From: chula801
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 10:26:16 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] discrepancy in marriage dates

I went through some films looking for the marriage dates of my husband's grandparents in Mascota, Jalisco, and came across two different dates. The first date was in April 1900 and the other in January of 1901. I don't know if they had to go to the church first and do something before marrying, or if they came back months later to sign something or what. I looked at another couple who got married the same month. The first date was at the beginning of Paril and the other was a few days later. I don't know if anyone may know why the dates don't match? Is there any way to knkow which is the correct date? Thanks!
Lavaniya Jimenez

I thought this was an interesting post with historical content on a
section of the country that some of our ancestors settled in. No need
to apologize in my opinion. Marge V:)

> I know this isn't within the realm of Ranchos genealogy, but thought
> it was an interesting presentation of past history.
> Also - is anyone familiar with a film entitled "Chulas Fronteras" (a
> documentary by Les Blank and Chris Strachwitz)? (DVD of film available
> from Arhoolie/ www.arhoolie.com; Arhoolie is a small company in
> California that specializes in obscure music genres and re-issuing
> old-time recordings. My favorite is "Pachuco Boogie" - yes, it is a
> part of my personal collection.)
>
> Natalie Castro Coleman, who occasionally, with little success,
> researches
> Castro, Garcia, Duenas, (and related families) from Hda. Astillero
> (Valparaiso) and Sain Alto, Zac.
>

rghg1405 wrote:

>Hi,
>I am new to this forum. I am doing my husband's geneology. His descendants are from Aguascalientes, Mexico. I am new at this Family Geneology searching but I think I made some real strides last night. I went to Familysearch.org looking for my husband Hector's grandmother on his father's side. I noticed that Mexico was one of the choices for location so I gave it a try. Boy, I hit the jackpot. I found his father's birth info, grandparents, great grandparents, and I think even great,greats! Here is a summary of what I found:
>
>Martin Exparza Gamez 1923 to 1988
>born in San Jose De Guadalupe Jesus Maria Ags, Aguascalientes, Mexico
>Died in California
>
>Parents:
>Luis Esparza
>died 1970
>Married 1912 in Canada Honda, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico
>
>Benita Gamez
>born 1891 died 1983
>Calvillito, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico
>
>Parents of Benita:
>Anastasio Gamez
>1860 to 11926
>born Calvillito, Aguascalientes,Aguascalientes Mexico
>Married 1912 in Canada Honda, Aguascalientes,Aguascalientes Mexico
>
>Cresenciana Leos
>1865 to 1955
>born Calvillito, Aguascalientes,Aguascalientes Mexico
>
>children:
>Vicente
>Timotea
>Agustin
>Alejo and some others whose records are not available
>
>Parents of Cresenciana:
>Melquiades Leos
>1839 in El Aguila, Aguascalientes, Mexico
>
>Diega Lopez
>1843 birth
>Marriage El Senor Del Encino, El Aguila, Aguascalientes, El Aguila, Aguascalientes, Mexico 1865
>
>Parents of Anastasio:
>Julian Gamez
>Isidora Tirado
>born 1838 in Calvillito Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico
>
>I am very interested in more information on Luis Esparza's family tree.
>
You're going to have to find your local Family History center and order
some films. All those records you found should have had a film number
associated with them so that is where you will start. Even though you
found this information online you'll still need to verify it on the film
and give your references as to exactly where you found it. Once you look
at the marriage record you might find where your Luis was from so you
can look for records in that area.

go to www.familysearch.org and find you closest FHC with the best hours
for you to do research. Go there pay them a visit and order a couple of
films.

if you find the location of your Luis start calling the Esparza's in
that location to see if you find someone that remembers him.

joseph

ps: I've moved this thread to the research@nuestrosranchos.org list

Maria
So nice of you to contact me, thank you!! I feel a little left out because
so many in the group have family connections in one way or
another.................but I am determined my day will come!! I enjoy
seeing what everyone has to say and just wanted to share a little of me. No,
I do not live in Ca. I live in Tennessee. My mother who is Esteban's sister
also lives here so I don't think I will ever relocate, but I do wish I had
someone to 'work' with here in the south.I have found some history info but
I don't know alot about computers so I just have it on paper for now.
Thanks again,
Hope