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I am finishing up a manuscript on the historic ethnography of southern Zacatecas and Northern Jalisco coupled with my father's genealogy. It is written in Spanish and I am looking to self-publish the work so I need someone to do line/stylistic editing. If you or anyone you know might be interested in this work, please let me know. I am willing to pay, though I do not have much of a budget...

Estoy a punto de terminar un manuscrito sobre la etnografia historica del sur de Zacatecas y el norte de Jalisco que tambien trata la genealogia de la familia de mi padre. Esta escrito en castellano y pienso publicarlo yo mismo asi que necesito alguien que pueda editar/redactar por gramatica, ortografia y estilo. Si te interesa este trabajo a ti o a alguien quien tu conoces, por favor dejame saber. Estoy dispuesto pagar por el servicio, aunque no tengo mucho presupuesto.

Has anyone plotted out the various Maria Lopez de Elizaldes?

There must be a dozen of them. It is the single most confusing name in my family tree. Its hard to tell if a second marriage is for the same Maria Lopez de Elizalde, or for her daughter, niece, granddaughter...

A researcher in Aguascalientes sent me the following documents he says he persaonally searched in the Aguascalientes Archives. I recognize names in several trees....

Circa 1633_“El Sagrario” Aguascalientes_Diego Romo de Vivar y María Rangel_Jerónimo Romo de Vivar y Rangel (1648), José Pedro Romo de Vivar y Rangel (1634)__5 de mayo de 1658__Juan Romo de Vivar y María de Tiscareño_Antonio (1664); Domingo ( 1666); Juan (1675) __27 de mayo de 1670__Ignacio y María de Espinoza_Ana ( 1671), Diego ( 1672), José ( 1674)__ Circa 1677__Nicolás y María de Villalobos_Antonio (1668), Antonio (1698), Catalina (1688), Francisca (1689), Salvador, (1694), Cristóbal (1702), Petra (1711), Agustina (1700), Alejo (1704), Brígida Agustina (1706), José (1709), Máximo (1714)__16 de junio de 1698__Baltazar y Catalina Muñóz de la Barba_Julián (1703), María Asención (1705) , Pedro (1701)__4 de Febrero de 1698__Luis y María López de Nava_José Manuel (1694), Margarita(1696), Blas (1709), María (1700), Ma. Teresa (1704), Mateana (1711)__5 de mayo de 1658__Pedro y Lorenza Ruiz Esparza_Bartolomé (1659), Beatriz (1668), Luis ( 1663), Sebastián(1678)__1662__Jerónimo y Margarita de Tiscareño_Beatríz (1677), Cristóbal (1667), Diego (1663), José (1672), Lorenza (1665), Luisa (1680) __Circa 1667__Francisco y Lorenza Ruiz Esparza_Cristóbal (1685), Francisca (1671), Francisco (1668), José (1675), Josefa (1680), María Gila (1669), Teresa (1691)__12 de Mayo de Circa 1687__Tomás y Juana Calvillo_Cristóbal (1694), Inés (1690), Juan (1687)__Circa 1694__Cristóbal y María de Tiscareño_Cristóbal (1695)__Circa 1658__Juan y María de Garibay_Francisco (1659), Lorenza (1671), Francisco (1694)__Circa 1683__Andrés y María López de Nava_Francisco (1684)__Circa 1693__Juan y María López de Nava (1694)___1 de Febrero 1699__José y María Lomelí_Sebastián (1716, en Lagos de Moreno ), Isidro Cayetano ( 1702)__18 de Junio de 1698__Juan y María de la Rosa Muñóz de la Barba___Circa 1674__Juan y Lorenza Tiscareño_Juan (1675)__Circa 1685__Nicolás y María Cruz López_Juana (1686)__Circa 1655__Diego y Luisa de los Reyes_Nicolás (1656), Antonia (?)__27 de Junio de 1697__Andrés y Juana Montañéz Díaz_Andrés (1733)__28 de Febrero de 1725__Miguel y Ana María Valadéz_Ana Gertrudis (1730), Antonia Michaela (1736), Luis Francisco (1734)__6 de Abril de 1711__Nicolás y Francisca Javiera gallardo_Ana María (1733), Isabel (1724), Jospe Antonio (1714), Guadalupe (1716)__Circa 1702__Marcelino y Juana Pichardo_Andrea ( 1703)__Circa 1721__Diego y Juana Prieto_Antonia Lugarda (1733), Fermín (1724), Jorge Alejandro (1739), Juana María (1730), Teresa Lugarda (1729 ), Tomás (1722)__1 de mayo de 1690__José Tomás y María de Contreras___Circa 1740__Francisco Javier y Juana Montañéz_Antonia Leandra (1741)__11 de Diciembre de 1707__Cristóbal y Josefa Macías Valadéz_José ( 1710), Luisa Francisca (1708)__17 de Junio de 1720__Cristóbal y María Muñóz de la Barba_José Francisco (1731), José Eusebio (1722), Lorenza (1724), Manuel Antonio (1725), Dolores ( 1727)Gertrudes (1737), Pedro José Francisco Javier (1737)__Circa 1725__Diego y Juana Ruiz de Esparza_Francisco Manuel Asencio ( 1726), Luis Alejandro (1737)__Circa 1719__Miguel e Isabel Lechuga_ Isabel Gertrudes (1723), José Miguel ( 1720), Juana Gertrudes Carmen (1727)__9 de Junio de 1704__Jerónimo y María Cuellar_Salvador Manuel (1706)__Circa 1699__José Antonio y María Gila de Luna_ José Cayetano (1700)__4 de mayo de 1750__José Antonio y Catarina Romo_Ignacia (1753)__Circa 1708__Bernabé y Gertrudes Franco_José Gregorio (1709) __Circa 1721__José y María Magdalena_Juan Alejandro ( 1722)__Circa 1733__Santiago y Margarita Mendoza_Juan Antonio (1734)__Circa 1700__Francisco y Micaela Villaseñor_Magdalena (1701)__12 de Mayo de 1748__Salvador Santiago y Margarita Ruvalcaba___12 de Junio de 1769__Antonio y Simona Anguiano___20 de Noviembre de 1758__Jorge y Gertrudes Díaz_Antonio Nabor (1768), Manuel Antonio (1769)__7 de septiembre de 1794__Claudio y Simona Ruiz Esparza_José Serapio (1796), Rafaela (1797), Luciana (1795), Juan de Dios (1799)__Circa 1778__Ramón y Antonia Ruiz esparza_Claudio Jesús (1779)__30 de Octubre de 1770__Fernando y Mariana Vega___25 de Mayo de 1760__José Francisco y Ana Isidra González Hermosillo_Josefa Encarnación (1761), Guadalupe (1762)__19 de Junio de 1763__Francisco y Felipe Alatorre Figueroa___Circa 1772__Andrés y Manuela Rosalía Escalera_Francisco (1773), José Alejandro (1781), José Máximo ( 1773)__6 de Noviembre de 1778__Francisco Javier y María Valenzuela___15 de Mayo de 1775__Isidro y Xaviera Villalobos___2 de Oct. De 1789__Juan José y Rosalía escalera_ José Antonio (1791 ) __19 de Octubre de 1793__José Antonio y Josefa Puga___Circa 1798__José Victoriano y Juana María Torres_José Domingo (1979), María Sebastiana (1791)__17 de Junio de 1781__ José Rufino y Guadalupe Esparza_José Faustino (1782)__Circa 1768__Lorenzo y Xaviera de León_Felipe Ignacio ( 1770), María Rita (1773), María Ignacia (1769), Josefa Dolores ( 1775) __Circa 1779__Manuel Antonio y María Antonia Ruiz Esparza_José Hermenegildo ( 1770), Teresa Merced (1774)__20 de Oct. 1775__José Ignacio e Ignacia Michaela Cervantes _María Rafaela de Jesús ( 1794)__Circa 1774__Justo y Francisca Cardiela Borja_José Julián ( 1779), Eugenia Prudencia ( 1775), Vicenta ( 1783), Josefa (1783) __7 de Diciembre de 1792__José Manuel y Dolores Tiscareño_José Luciano Ramón ( 1797) __27 de Junio de 1797__ José Manuel y Guadalupe Ruiz Esparza_José Magdaleno Trinidad (1799) __29 de Abril de 1789__José María y Dolores Díaz de León___Circa 1791__Pedro José María y Antonia Santoyo_José María ( 1799), Bernardina (1790), Blasa( 1792), José Irineo (1795) __Circa 1772__José y María López de Nava_José María ( 1775), Josefa Dolores ( 1775), Gertrudes (1773), Andrea(1754) __10 de Febrero de 1779__José Miguel y Michaela Ruiz Escobar_José Martín Rafael ( 1779), Guadalupe Marcela (1781)__12 de Junio de 1785__José Miguel y Rafaela Jiménez de Castro___11 de Mayo de 1772__Antonio y Jacinta López de nava_J. Miguel Estanislao ( 1773)__31 de Mayo de 1789__José Victoriano y Juana Torres _José Pablo ( 1789), María Urbana ( 1794)__28 de Octubre de 1778__José Rafael y Baltazara martínez___25 de Abril de 1796__José Rosalío y Dolores Escobar___20 de Octubre de 1778__José Rufino y Teresa Lúevano___15 de Febrero de 1797__José Tomás y Josefa González___5 de Mayo de 1782__José Trinidad y Guadalupe Díaz de León___14 de Junio de 1797__José Trinidad y Trinidad Esparza_____Luis y María Guadalupe_José Vidal ( 1779)__11 de Mayo de 1779__José Ignacio y Guadalupe Loera___12 de Junio de 1785__Miguel y Rafaela Ruiz de Castro___12 de Febrero de 1761__José y Rita Alonso de los Hinojos_Pablo Antonio ( ), Inés (1762), María Merced (1766), José Eduardo (1763), José Joaquín (1765), José Manuel (1770), Felipe Eduardo (1763)__10 de Junio de 1799__Pedro y Gartrudes Ramírez___30 de Noviembre de 1775__Pedro Antonio Miguel e Ignacia Díaz ___Circa 1769__Francisco y Josefa Martínez Sotomayor_Pedro José (1770), Juan José Nepomuceno (1773) __21 de Abril de 1771__Pedro José y María Guadalupe Muñóz___7 de Febrero de 1780__Pedro José Nolasco y Guadalupe Medina___7 de Abril de 1788__Rafael e Inocencia Velasco___7 de Junio de 1795__Rafael e Josefa Villaseñor___Circa 1760__Francisco Vicente y Magda Antonia González de Hermosillo_Vicente Ricardo ( 1761), María Albina ( 1764)__25 de Mayo de 1799__José María y Michaela Escalera_María Isidra__13 de Junio de 1752__Nicolás Antonio y Mariana de Alba_María Osoria (1754), María Rosa Ignacia (1771), Rosalía (1761), Trinidad (1758), Refugio Encarnación ( 1760), Dionicia ( 1756), Rafael Silvestre (1767), José Rafael Prudencio (1765) __Circa 1795__José maría e Hilaria de Mesas_Ma. Rosalía (1796), María Guadalupe (1793), Dionicia (1798)__Circa 1796__José Florentino y Manuela Romo_Sixta Dolores (1797)__Circa 1794__José Manuel y Dolores Díaz de Tiscareño_Teodora Dolores ( 1795), Dionicia (1798), Juana Antonia (1798)__24 de Abril de 1784 ?__Lorenzo y Antonia de León___Circa 1792__Andrés y Rafaela _Josefa Luz ( 1793)__Circa 1797__Guadalupe y Eduarda Esparza_Juliana (1798)__Circa 1794__Andrés y Antonia serrano _Fermina Claudia (1795)__Circa 1768__Javier y Petra González_María Gertrudes (1772), Vicente ( 1769)__Circa 1761__Antonio y Ana María Prieto_Guadalupe ( 1758)__Circa 1761__Juan Antonio y Antonia de Alba_María Guadalupe ( 1762), __Circa 1754__Antonio y Ana dela Cruz_Antonia (1755)__16 de Junio de 1779__Antonio y Antonia de Ruvalcaba___S/f__José Andrés y Antonia Luévano___Circa 1756__José Elías y Gertrudes Prieto_ Guadalupe Leonor ( 1757)__Circa 1783__Vicente y Josefa Pedrajo_Dolores Pobosa (1784)__Circa 1798__José y Simona de Esparza_Juan de Dios (1799)__3 de Junio de 1779__José Romo Tavarez y Josefa Buena___5 de Abril de 1774__Manuel Rafael y María Alonso de los Hinojos___4 de mayo de 1767__Manuel y Francisca Castoreña___Circa 1798__Juan Antonio y María Romo_Agapita Loreto (1799)__Circa 1757__José y Juana López_Josefa Brígida (1758)____José Antonio y Josefa de León_____José Antonio y Teresa Ramírez_____José Antonio y María Inés Martín___

Hola to all my Rancho's Primos
I am trying to get as much information about publishing one line of my family,
The SAAVEDRA/BALTAZAR line of Durango, Chihuahua & Texas. My question to the group is where do I start, what should I include. Any tips from our group would be welcomed! Sources, examples, sites or any personal experiences -seran bien recibidas. I read in a book that "Ir's not history until it's written" so I do want to write and print & share my work with my familia.
Yolanda Medina Perez
El Paso, Texas

Necesito ayuda para encontrar información de algunos ancestros míos en Nochistlán, Zacatecas. Entre ellos se encuentran Juan Manuel de la Cámara y Menoyo casado con María Teresa de Castañedo Cevallos; también busco información sobre Santiago Gallegos casado con María Magdalena López; así como de Cayetano Corona y Juana Teresa Caxigales.

Just a heads up, the film jumps back and forth between dates as it appears to
be the remnants of several books... however, within each remnant, the
marriages are in order. I am about a third of the way through and have gone
through three remnants... one beginning in 1629 and ending around 1642 and
then next beginning in 1677 and ending around 1685. The third begins in 1657
and ends ???

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From: scooterpie1968
Date: 2006/07/18 Tue PM 07:36:09 CDT
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Bergara Lines

Thanks Arturo...please don't go to any trouble! I'm going to order the films
to research, as well. Like I said, my earliest Bergara (Francisco Salvador)
appears in 1774 when he married Salvadora Godoy. They were married in
Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman and I'm wondering if there is a connection to
the Bergara messages you're posting.....we'll see!

Peggy Delgado

http://www.kindredtrails.com/mexico.html

Looking for Leonarda Lujan born in 1800's in Sain del Alto Zacatecas. Any Lujans out there in rancho land? She only had one son which was my grandfather Jose. She died when he was a young man and he took care of her. My grandfather said she died of an illness called "flores blancas". Sometimes I wonder what it was like being a single unwed mother in the 1800's Mexico. What I find intriguing is how Jose was accepted by the Martinez Family. His Father Eduardo Martinez was married and his wife and kids treated my grandfather very well. My grandfather Jose Lujan married as a young man dont know his first wife's name she died giving birth and so did the child. Later he married my grandmother Maria Mendoza Castaneda. My grandmother Maria rememberd attending his wedding to his first wife when she was a young girl. She said she and her friends giggled as the young couple kissed. Leonarda Lujan had other sisters I would like to know who they were. If anyone has any info or where I
can search please let me know. I usually go by Lupe. I noticed there is another Maria so if you refer to me can you put Lupe1. Thank you

Sorry folks I've been sending out private emails to various ones trying
to get the Digest people to change the subject heading from Digest to
properly reflect the content of the email and here I've done the same
thing.

many apologies

joseph

>
> Hi Olivia,

It is great to count you in as another cousin. It looks like our closest
common ancestors are Diego and Petrona, while you and Tino share Mariana
Delgadillo as your closest common ancestor.

I descend from Diego and Petrona's daughter *Thomasa Delgadillo* m. Diego
Juarez > *Josepha Manuela Juarez* m. Nicolas Vazquez > *Rosa Maria Vazquez*
m. Francisco Xavier Delgado > *Jose Andres Delgado *m. Maria Luisa Alonso >
*Simona Delgado* m. Gregorio Perez > *Marciala Perez *m. Esteban Soto
> *Maximiano
Soto* (my great-grandfather)

Maria

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>
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 10:47:20 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Olivia Jaurequi-Reyes
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Diego Delgadillo Ancestry
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
> Message-ID: <20060719174720.5297.qmail@web50112.mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Hi Maria, Enrique & Tino,
> It appears that I too have a common line with you. My line descends from
> Petron de Islas>Mariana Delgadillo>Mariana Flores de Medrano>Maria Diaz
> Montanez>Juana Josepha Gonzalez>Juan Baptista Sandoval>Maria Rumualda de
> Guadalupe Sandoval & Joseph Theodoro Jauregui>Salvador de J??uregui>Jose
> Victoria X??uregui-my great-grandfather.
>
> Olivia Jaurequi-Reyes
> Rowland Hts, CA
>
> Maria Cortez wrote: This is great. It's the second
> time I find the same common line with two
> different Ranchos members. The first time it was my Casta???eda line from
> Zacatecas and now the Delgadillos from Nochistlan.
>
> Maria
>

Sorry to eavesdrop; however, I found this message of special interest. If
Sonora is mentioned, you have my undivided attention.To date I have been
able to trace my TISNADO line to the marriage of Juan Domingo Tisnado and
Ma. Magdalena Contreras in 1736 in Magdalena, Sonora. As shown by a later
padrón, he is listed as being of the presidio de Túbac. In addition, forty
years later his son, Juan José Tisnado, is listed in the muster rolls of the
presidio de Tucsón.

Regarding the surname Ortega, I have found numerous instances of
intermarriage between the TISNADO, ORTEGA and LISARRAGA. This marriages
ocurred in the area of the presidio de Altar.

George

> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 10:23:41 -0700 (PDT)
> From: NathanJones
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Romo & Rangel across Aguascalientes,
> Jalisco, Chihuahua, Nayarit and Sinaloa.
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Message-ID:
>
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
>
> Dear cousins:
>
> I just got this email from a gentleman in Aguascalientes who is
> researching our same lines. He must have run across my homepage. As I
> understand his message Diego Romo de Vivar ranged over a wider area than
> we anticipated, not extending his lifestyle to Hidalgo del Parral,
> Chihuahua alone, but reaching as far north in Nueva Biscaya as Villa
> Ahumada, which he founded.
>
> If you've never been there, I highly recommend Villa Ahumada. It's the
> town that cheese built. I think Menonite Cheese, but in any case a soft,
> moist, white cheese served on a fresh hand made tortilla.
>
> Out of this world! Vendors sell them to passing cars, trains,
> busses....pedestrians! They probably sold them to passing wagon trains.
>
> All decades before Pollo Loco!
>
> Ernie: dame un poco m?s de informaci?n sobre los Romo de Vivar: Diego y
> Pedro. Te informo que Diego estuvo unos a?os en Chihuahua como
> colonizador
> y fund? lo que ahora es Villa Ahumada.. Es probable que haya dejado
> descendencia fuera de matrimonio por all?. Hay un estudio interesante de
> ese
> episodio.Tengo documentado que se cas? en Aguascalientes, no en Espa?a.
> Pedro estuvo en Alamos, Sonora tambi?n como colonizador, pero al parecer
> volvi? ya viejo a Teocaltiche, Jalisco. Es fundador de la mayor?a de las
> l?neas geneal?gicas de Los Altos de Jalisco y de ah?, de las de Sonora y
> Sinaloa. Tengo la hip?tesis de que vinieron a Am?rica por que son primos
> hermanos del Capit?n Juan Rinc?n de Vivar y el Presb?tero Pedr? Rinc?n (de
> Vivar) de Ortega, poderos?simo personaje que fund? el mayorazgo de los
> Rinc?n-Gallardo. Es probable que los Romo hayan venido a ayudar a los
> primos
> ricos y luego que sirvieron a la corona como colonizadores en las
> fronteras
> de los chichimecas, se asentaron en esta regi?n como propietarios. Est?
> documentado (Archivo hist?rico de Aguascalientes, 1654), que ambos
> estuvieron un tiempo en la costa de lo que ahora es Nayarit, junto con
> otros
> colonos del centro de Nueva Galicia, defendiendo la costa de los ataques
> piratas.
> Saludos

I'm getting the following message when I attempt to access the Gedcom file database.
Pat Silva Corbera

TNG Genealogy Database
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The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later.

In an earlier message, Patricia brought up the topic of nicknames, which in Spanish are known as "apodos." She asked whether such nicknames were common among Mexican people. My answer would be a resounding yes.

In fact, as a child growing up in Los Angeles, it was rare that my siblings, cousins or I would refer to each other by our real names. We all had apodos for each other. The nicknames tended to be physically descriptive, often derogatory on the surface and always clever...

Among my sibling there was "la larga", "la chaparra", "el molanche", "el prieto", "el guero", "la flaca" and "el gordo"

You see the dichotomies... I was "el prieto" and my younger brother, who is much fairer than me was "el guero". We also had other names... some of mine: "R2D2", "Tulipan", etc.

I had cousins who were "la titi" (who stuttered as a child and whose father--also a stutterer--was known as "tartajas") and "la pollo" who was pigeon-toed, etc.

I was wondering if anyone can tell me if "del Refugio" or"de Jesus" etc are last names or middle names. For eg. Maria del Refugio Pena Lopez and Jose del Refugio Jimenez. I'm not sure then that I have Jose's mother's last name. The same thing with de Jesus. I have a Jose de Jesus Hernandez and a Maria de Jesus Hernandez. In this case, am I missing both their mothers' last names? or are they related?

Lavaniya

On the subject of nicknames or apodos....

Gotta chime in. In my extended family we had several Franciscos. My
uncle was Tio Pancho, my cousin was Quico or Kiko, his son by the same
name was known as El Guero.--Probably to differentiate all of them. I
have also heard Paco for Franciscos, not for Enriques--don't believe we
have any in my extended family with that name, so who knows...
We also have several Maria de la Luz. We called my aunt Tia Quica or
Kika, while my sister and several cousins with the same names were
either Luz or Lucha. Sometimes my sister is also known as La Prieta
(the dark one) too. Come to think of it, our cousins with the same name
have light hair and skin. By the way, she's not even morena, but
blanca--dark hair, pale skin. I think my parents just wanted to call
her that with affection, and to differentiate from all of the Ma. De la
Luz' in the family. My brother in law who was Anglo thought this was
funny, especially since he and my sister were of the same coloring. I
understand that my aunt was Kika or Quica because my father couldn't
pronunciate her name as a child. Also they would differentiate them as
Lucha la de Tonio(Antonio) or Lucha la de Coco (Ma del Socorro), or
Lucha la de Luz, etc., Almost sounds biblical, huh? My youngest
brother, Antonio was called El Negro. Again he would be perceived as
blanco, but the cousins with the same name were lighter skinned--one we
also called El Guero. Here we had to sometimes go back to biblical...
Guero el de Coco and Guero el de Quico......

>> Jesus = Chuy
>>
How about Pepe Chuy for the Jose de Jesus'. We used to call my cousin
that to make him mad.... Kind of sounds like Billy-Bob, huh?

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Message: 26
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 18:11:35 -0700
From: "Maria Cortez"
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Diego Delgadillo
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Message-ID:
<3562acd40607201811q7ca9dc54l855a21e9094fcc1c@mail.gmail.com>
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>
> Hi Nena (Maria Elena),

It looks like your Diego Delgadillo is the son of our Diego Delgadillo.
According to my database I was showing 8 children born to Diego
Delgadillo
and Petrona de Yslas. In order of birth: Mariana 1655, Thomasa 1657 (my
ancestress), Bernardino 1659, Juan 1668, Catarina 1670, Maria 1672,
Agustin
1674, and Christobal 1677. As you can see, there is a gap between
Bernardino and Juan where Diego fits in quite nicely. I looked him up on
the
IGI and it did show that he was the son of Diego and Petrona. I have
just
added your Diego to my database.

Is this Diego your direct ancestor? If so, we are cousins once again!

Maria

Count me in on that one. So my Diego's parents were: Diego
Delgadillo & Petrona Yslas? If so, could you please elaborate what you
have on them and their ancestors. This is so exciting.

Diego Delgadillo & Fabiana Ramirez de Mendoza were also my 7th Great
Grandparents: Diego Delgadillo + Fabiana Ramirez de Mendoza>Petronila
Delgadillo + Juan de Dios Gtz de Mendoza>1: Maria-Esmeregilda
Gutierrez-de-Mendoza + Cristobal-Santiago Macias-Valadez> Maria-Cayetana
Macias + Vicente-Ferrer Gomez into my Gomez line... AND
>2: Jose-Fernando Gutierrez-de-Mendoza + Andrea-Josefa Macias-Valadez>
Maria-Micaela-de-San-Joseph Gutierrez + Jose-Bernardo Perez-de-Paredes<
AND through two of their children--one who married into my Gomez line
(again) & the other who continued the Perez line---all direct lines.
I'll elaborate with those who are interested. Just email me directly:
igomezlucero@csus.edu

My Whole Dollar.
Irma Gomez Gutierrez de Lucero
Sacramento, CA

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Message: 28
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 18:46:16 -0700
From: "Maria Cortez"
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] General Digest, Vol 6, Issue 15
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

>
> Hi Olivia,

It is great to count you in as another cousin. It looks like our
closest
common ancestors are Diego and Petrona, while you and Tino share Mariana
Delgadillo as your closest common ancestor.

I descend from Diego and Petrona's daughter *Thomasa Delgadillo* m.
Diego
Juarez > *Josepha Manuela Juarez* m. Nicolas Vazquez > *Rosa Maria
Vazquez*
m. Francisco Xavier Delgado > *Jose Andres Delgado *m. Maria Luisa
Alonso >
*Simona Delgado* m. Gregorio Perez > *Marciala Perez *m. Esteban Soto
> *Maximiano
Soto* (my great-grandfather)

Maria

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>
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 10:47:20 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Olivia Jaurequi-Reyes
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Diego Delgadillo Ancestry
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
> Message-ID: <20060719174720.5297.qmail@web50112.mail.yahoo.com>
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>
> Hi Maria, Enrique & Tino,
> It appears that I too have a common line with you. My line descends
from
> Petron de Islas>Mariana Delgadillo>Mariana Flores de Medrano>Maria
Diaz
> Montanez>Juana Josepha Gonzalez>Juan Baptista Sandoval>Maria Rumualda
de
> Guadalupe Sandoval & Joseph Theodoro Jauregui>Salvador de
J??uregui>Jose
> Victoria X??uregui-my great-grandfather.
>
> Olivia Jaurequi-Reyes
> Rowland Hts, CA
>
> Maria Cortez wrote: This is great. It's the
second
> time I find the same common line with two
> different Ranchos members. The first time it was my Casta???eda line
from
> Zacatecas and now the Delgadillos from Nochistlan.
>
> Maria
>

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Subject: Unsubcribe from Nuestros Ranchos Group
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 19:09:04 -0400 (EDT)
From:
To: makas@nc.rr.com

Please unsubscribe me from your very busy list. Thank you.

============================

I just got this message from a brand new member. the list has been
pretty busy these last few days, but just in case anyone else was
considering a move like this I would strongly recommend not
unsubscribing but first going to the "digest" version of the list which
is one email per day with all the activity that took place that day from
all the members OR even going to "no mail" and you can just login and
check the email when you have a change online.

let me know if you need help doing any of this but really all you need
to do is:

1) login

2) go to "my account"

3) go to my "my mailing lists"

4) make changes and "save"

joseph

Some of the nicknames are short hand for their ancient predecessors.

Such as Pepe, which is derived from the Italian/Latin predecessor of Jose, Guiseppe.

I read that there's a town in northern Potugal where the people still speak Latin.

Some Filipinos don't even know what their Spanish names mean. I met a nurse named Corazon, who didn't know that meant heart. Her nickname was Cory.

An abbreviation that threw me was Xtobal. It took me a while to figure out it was Cristobal. The X standing for the cross, as in our own Xmas.

I suppose the name Primitivo had another meaning rather than a direct translation as primitive.

---- aajay1073 wrote:
>
> I have always found it curious where some nicknames come from. I understand nicknames when they are a shorter version of the original name or as Emilie says, a childs version of name (but those names are not standard). The standard nicknames seem to not even be related to the orignal name like:
>
> Refugio = Cuca
> Jose = Pepe
> Juan = Paco
> Francisco = Pancho
> Jesus = Chuy
>
> Today, I think many people with hispanic names are either translating there name, ie
>
> Carlos = Charles
> Diego = James
> Esperanza = Hope
>
> Or they just pick the closest name to their original name:
> Hilario = Larry
> Jesus = Jesse
>
> Which by the way, Jesus translates to Joshua. And I don't think Refugio translates to Ruth. Sounds more like they just picked the closest 'R' name.
>
> Just my two centavos,
> Angie Godina
>

This is great. It's the second time I find the same common line with two
different Ranchos members. The first time it was my Castañeda line from
Zacatecas and now the Delgadillos from Nochistlan.

Maria

Message: 4
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:55:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Pat Silva Corbera
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Diogo Delgadillo Ancestry
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
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It appears that Enrique Legaspi Frias and Florentino (Tino) Corbera share
common ancestry, via Diego Delgadillo married to Petrona de Isla. This is
the same line that linked with Maria Cortes, another NuestrosRanchos member.
Tino's line continues from Diego and Petrona via their daughter Mariana
Delgadilo bapt. 23 March 1655, Nochistlan, Zacatecas, Mexico, and married to
Francisco Flores de Medrano.
Pat Silva Corbera
Tracy CA.

I know that a while back there was a lot of talk about being able to see a membership directory, like the old "Who's Who" database on the old Ranchos site. We made some improvements to the membership listing, which is still available at http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/profile

I have now installed a new module that allows advanced searches for members so you can basically search in specific profile fields, such as "Tepetongo" in the research location field or "Aceves" in the research surname field. The results give an abbreviated profile of each member that meets the search criteria.

The search function is available by clicking on the search button at the upper right of the main page, then clicking on the tab labeled "User" when the search page comes up. You will then have a choice of doing a simple search which will search all the profile fields or doing an advanced search which will search specific fields.

Joseph,

THe books are:

Index To The Marriage Investigations of the Diocese of Guadalajara Provinces of Coahuila * Nuevo Leon * Nuevo Santander * Texas ~ 1653 - 1750
By Raul Guerra, Jr. Nadine M. Vasquez, Baldomero Vela, Jr. COpyright 1989
Printed privately by the authjors by THE UNIVERSITY at An AMerican Print SHop Edinburg, Texas

Sold by Borderland Books via the Internet

Index To The Marriage Investigations of the Diocese of Guadalajara Provinces of Coahuila * Nuevo Leon * Nuevo Santander * Texas ~ 1751 - 1779

Some of the marriages in the above books do cover Zacatecas especially when it comes to the Zaldivars and Trevinos..

The above people belong to the Los Bexarenos group of San ANtonio, Texas

Most of the Texas genealogy groups cooperate and have a State Genealogical COnference which is located somewhere else each year. Usually trading off between Houston, San Antonio, Dallas, Austin, Corpus Christi, Victoria.

We are all trying to get further in researching in Zacatecas, etc.

Hilton's first book :

Sagada Mitra de Guadalajara Antiguo Obispado de la Nueva Galacia
Expedientes de la Serie de Matrimonios Extractos Siglos XVII-XVIII by
Marua de la Luz Montejano Hilton.

There are at least 2 other volumes of Hilton's that are also sold by Borderland Books.

Hiltons books and THe first two books do overlap somewhat. I have found both sets usefully.
--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from Joseph Puentes : --------------

I was actually replying to Manuel who resides in Denver and is doing research in Canadas, Jalisco. But I'm glad you replied because I'm interested in what you said about the 2 volume book on Marriage Investigations of Guadalajara. Can you supply the exact title, author, ISBN #, Publish, and info on that Genealogy group in Texas if it's handy? You also mention the book by Hilton which I was familar with but didn't know about this other book that is why I'm interested. thanks much,

joseph

eaherold@att.net wrote:

Joseph,

I have about 5 film from the Diocese of Guadalajara dealing with marriage investigations from
the 1600s and 1700s. I also have the 2 vol book on Marriage Investigations of Gaualajara put out by the
Genealogy group in Texas. I also have the 1 st volume of Marriage Investigations by Hilton.
If you need me to do lookups from these books I am available.

Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from Joseph Puentes : --------------

> So are you using your Family History Center in Denver? have you used the
> www.familyserarch.org site to find and order films yet?
>
> unfortunately for Canadas, Jalisco the pickens are slim as they only
> have Civil records and no church records. . .what follows is a partial
> listing:

Joseph,

I did not see your email online at the group site to respond to so I am responding this way.

I have been using the FHC in Littleton since 1992.

I have about 5 film from the Diocese of Guadalajara dealing with marriage investigations from
the 1600s and 1700s. I also have the 2 vol book on Marriage Investigations of Gaualajara put out by the
Genealogy group in Texas. I also have the 1 st volume of Marriage Investigations by Hilton.
If you need me to do lookups from these books I am available.

I also have microfilm from early Monterrey, Nuevo Leon; Saltillo, Coahuila; General Cepeda, Coahuila; Linares, Nuevo Leon; Charcas, San Luis Potosi; San Felipe, Guanajuto; General Terran, Nuevo Leon; Bustamante, NL; Villadlama, NL; 1 film from Fresnillo,; Galeana, NL; Nava, Coahuila; Allende, Coahuila;
San Buenaventura, COahuila; 1 from Mazapil; 2 from Mapimi, Durango; ! from TOrreon, COahuila
--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from Joseph Puentes : --------------

> So are you using your Family History Center in Denver? have you used the
> www.familyserarch.org site to find and order films yet?
>
> unfortunately for Canadas, Jalisco the pickens are slim as they only
> have Civil records and no church records. . .what follows is a partial
> listing:
>
> Title
> Registros civiles del municipio de Ca

I saw that "other" meaning you referred to Arturo, in my Collins English/Spanish dictionary, and was quite surprised.

My baby sister Pat Alderete plays a character she named Cuca in several plays she wrote. Her Cuca is a sort of pachuca Madge the beautician.

My sister gave a performance at the Getty once, and was allowed to drive all the way to the top, instead of taking the tram we peons must take:)

She'll be giving a reading in San Antonio next month. She gives readings in Texas and Nebraska every year.

My sister is no shrinking violet. One time she was giving an outdoor reading in Westwood when a real life vato loco got too wound up in her performance, and challenged her face-to-face.

To my shock, she punched him square in the nose. He lurched back, and staggered away, too embarrased and shocked to further mock a woman like my sister!

The entire feminist audience burst into applause.

Although I tried to caution my sister never to do that again. That is not the way to handle hecklers.

---- arturoramos wrote:
>
> Cuca is the standard nickname for Refugio... Cuco would be a male Refugio and Cuca is a female refugio. It has a completely different meaning in Colombia but I digress...
>
> So anyhow, Refugio translates as Ruth thus Ruths are Cucas by double translation. I have an aunt, a (now deceased) grandmother and a niece all named Refugio or Ruth and we call them all Cuca... so there is the abuelita Cuca, the tia Cuca and "Cookie"

Martin del Olmos is mentioned in a letter from a Diego Trujillo living in
Cuzco, Peru in 1564. The letter states that he "con Francisco de Aguilera
que va de estas partes que es natural de Toledo y lleva de Martin de Olmos
doce mil pesos, halos llevar a esa ciudad os evnio doscientos y veinte y
cuatro ducados libres de toda costa y derechos."

Fray Juan del Olmo is mentioned in a letter from Pedro de Najera a su hermano
Diego Gonzalez de Najera from Lima in 1587 stating "en estos galeones
vinieron quince frailes de San Francisco los tres de ahi de Cuenca y otrs que
han estado ahi. Todos me dieron nuevas de ustedes y todos ellos escriben.
Llamanse los de Cuenca Fray Pedro de Agreda, Fray Gines de Brihuega y Fray
Juan del Olmo..."

=====================
From: Alicia Carrillo
Date: 2006/07/19 Wed PM 12:47:41 CDT
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cartas Privadas de Olmos

----- Original Message ----
From: arturoramos
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 12:39:17 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cartas Privadas

Arturo,
Could you please do a lookup for Olmo, Fray Juan, Del, Pg 428 and
Olmos, Martin, Page 479s.

Thanks,
Alicia

Arturo,

thanks for checking into this. What you say makes sense. I've also read
that the early Spanish sailings were not monitored very closely. That is
what gave birth to the "Sala de Contratación" as well as a series of laws.
As you say, there were illegal sailings, and I wonder if slave trafficking
was illegal? I know that Spain did not do much (or any?) of that. I have
read that the Carlo Lomellini (or Carlos Lomelín) was a slave trafficker.
That may be the reason why Rose and I are having trouble finding anything on
him.

Maria

------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 04:10:06 -0700 (PDT)
> From: arturoramos
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sailings from Genova to Mexico
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>
> Maria:
>
> I am not sure, but I don't believe there were legal sailings from Genova
> to Mexico in the 1500s. Spain maintained a strict trade monopoly with its
> colonies and I would imagine that would imply that non-Spanish ships could
> not sail to her colonies... I will investigate. That does not necessarily
> mean they did not. I know there were lots of illegal sailings especially to
> smuggle out goods and smuggle in people who could not get licensias (Jews).
>
> Here is a Lomeli from AER. It is the woman with the name Lomeli but
> taking maternal last names was common in the 1500s.
>
> Archivo Archivo General de Indias
> C?digo de referencia ES.41091.AGI/16419//PASAJEROS,L.1,E.2939
> T?tulo JUAN BAPTISTA VACO
> Alcance y Contenido JUAN BAPTISTA VACO [sic], hijo de Gonzalo Vasto
> [sic] y de Mar?a Esp?ndola, marido de Isabel Lomeli, natural de G?nova.
> Nivel de Descripci?n Unidad Documental Simple
> Fecha(s) [c] 1526-08-30
> Signatura(s) PASAJEROS,L.1,E.2939
> Volumen
> Productor(es) Informaci?n de Contexto
> Unidades Relacionadas
> Por Procedencia CONTRATACION,5536,L.2,F.33
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 04:10:14 -0700 (PDT)
> From: arturoramos
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sailings from Genova to Mexico
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Message-ID:
> www.nuestrosranchos.org&nid=14734&pid=9997&cid=10006&uid=9&tid=2&amp;4639ff90b92c391db85fe83b47d9b900@www.nuestrosranchos.org
> >
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
>
> Maria:
>
> I am not sure, but I don't believe there were legal sailings from Genova
> to Mexico in the 1500s. Spain maintained a strict trade monopoly with its
> colonies and I would imagine that would imply that non-Spanish ships could
> not sail to her colonies... I will investigate. That does not necessarily
> mean they did not. I know there were lots of illegal sailings especially to
> smuggle out goods and smuggle in people who could not get licensias (Jews).
>
> Here is a Lomeli from AER. It is the woman with the name Lomeli but
> taking maternal last names was common in the 1500s.
>
> Archivo Archivo General de Indias
> C?digo de referencia ES.41091.AGI/16419//PASAJEROS,L.1,E.2939
> T?tulo JUAN BAPTISTA VACO
> Alcance y Contenido JUAN BAPTISTA VACO [sic], hijo de Gonzalo Vasto
> [sic] y de Mar?a Esp?ndola, marido de Isabel Lomeli, natural de G?nova.
> Nivel de Descripci?n Unidad Documental Simple
> Fecha(s) [c] 1526-08-30
> Signatura(s) PASAJEROS,L.1,E.2939
> Volumen
> Productor(es) Informaci?n de Contexto
> Unidades Relacionadas
> Por Procedencia CONTRATACION,5536,L.2,F.33
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 04:10:15 -0700 (PDT)
> From: arturoramos
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sailings from Genova to Mexico
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Message-ID:
> www.nuestrosranchos.org&nid=14734&pid=9997&cid=10007&uid=9&tid=2&amp;e4c948d2c1a39cf39d058a05e189f159@www.nuestrosranchos.org
> >
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
>
> Maria:
>
> I am not sure, but I don't believe there were legal sailings from Genova
> to Mexico in the 1500s. Spain maintained a strict trade monopoly with its
> colonies and I would imagine that would imply that non-Spanish ships could
> not sail to her colonies... I will investigate. That does not necessarily
> mean they did not. I know there were lots of illegal sailings especially to
> smuggle out goods and smuggle in people who could not get licensias (Jews).
>
> Here is a Lomeli from AER. It is the woman with the name Lomeli but
> taking maternal last names was common in the 1500s.
>
> Archivo Archivo General de Indias
> C?digo de referencia ES.41091.AGI/16419//PASAJEROS,L.1,E.2939
> T?tulo JUAN BAPTISTA VACO
> Alcance y Contenido JUAN BAPTISTA VACO [sic], hijo de Gonzalo Vasto
> [sic] y de Mar?a Esp?ndola, marido de Isabel Lomeli, natural de G?nova.
> Nivel de Descripci?n Unidad Documental Simple
> Fecha(s) [c] 1526-08-30
> Signatura(s) PASAJEROS,L.1,E.2939
> Volumen
> Productor(es) Informaci?n de Contexto
> Unidades Relacionadas
> Por Procedencia CONTRATACION,5536,L.2,F.33
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 04:18:07 -0700 (PDT)
> From: arturoramos
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] More Lomellins from AER
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Message-ID:
> www.nuestrosranchos.org&nid=14734&pid=10007&cid=10008&uid=9&tid=2&amp;7dff67f7fe288833ee72a18a14fd4065@www.nuestrosranchos.org
> >
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
>
> Enter "LOMELIN" in the first search field and then add another search
> field and enter "PASAJERO" These are just the listings for passengers to
> Mexico. There are many more mostly to Cartagena de Indias (Colombia).
>
> C?digo de referencia ES.41091.AGI/16419//PASAJEROS,L.5,E.3166
> T?tulo BRIGIDA LOMELIN
> Alcance y Contenido BRIGIDA LOMELIN, natural de Tudela, hija de Juan
> Mart?nez y de Catalina Lomelin, a Nueva Espa?a, como criada de don Antonio
> Vel?zquez de Baz?n.
> Nivel de Descripci?n Unidad Documental Simple
> Fecha(s) [c] 1571-07-06
> Signatura(s) PASAJEROS,L.5,E.3166
>
> C?digo de referencia ES.41091.AGI/16419//PASAJEROS,L.11,E.353
> T?tulo LICENCIADO PEDRO DE BARRIENTOS LOMELIN
> Alcance y Contenido LICENCIADO PEDRO DE BARRIENTOS LOMELIN, Racionero
> de la Catedral de M?xico, a Nueva Espa?a. Informaci?n y licencia en
> CONTRATACION,5395,N.59
> Nivel de Descripci?n Unidad Documental Simple
> Fecha(s) [c] 1626-07-06
> Signatura(s) PASAJEROS,L.11,E.353
>
> C?digo de referencia ES.41091.AGI/16404.42.3.188//CONTRATACION,5395,
> N.59
> T?tulo PEDRO DE BARRIENTOS LOMELIN
> Alcance y Contenido Expediente de informaci?n y licencia de pasajero
> a indias del licenciado Pedro de Barrientos Lomel?n, racionero de la
> catedral de M?xico, con sus criados Juan de la Cruz y Pedro Rodr?guez, ?ste
> natural y vecino de Sevilla, hijo de Antonio Rodr?guez y de Mariana Cid, a
> Nueva Espa?a. Fecha de la licencia
> Nivel de Descripci?n Unidad Documental Compuesta
> Fecha(s) [f] 1626-07-03
> Signatura(s) CONTRATACION,5395,N.59
>
> C?digo de referencia ES.41091.AGI/16419//PASAJEROS,L.4,E.1726
> T?tulo JOSE LOMELIN
> Alcance y Contenido JOSE LOMELIN, natural de G?nova, vecino de
> M?xico, hijo de Domingo Lomel?n y de Margarita, a Nueva Espa?a, de donde es
> vecino.
> Nivel de Descripci?n Unidad Documental Simple
> Fecha(s) [c] 1562-01-26
> Signatura(s) PASAJEROS,L.4,E.1726
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
>

Everyone with roots in Nochistlan, Cueva Grande and Monte Escobedo,
Zacatecas have a look at Hope's Rojas, Cabral file in the files area of
the group. Actually it is the file of a relative of her but nonetheless
of her family:

go to "Files" and "Members Genealogies" and to "Hope Carmona Wilson" or

you can go here: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/14771

thanks hope,

joseph

Joseph

My cousin Dave is related to you thru Roman Maldonado and Maria Tranquilina Rios. His direct line is Maria Salome Rafaela Maldonado the sister to your Antonia Maldonado. I was viewing your tree, do you have Maria Higinia Rios? I traced Dave's Maldonado's to Sevastian Maldonado and Maria Ygnacia Delfin.

MRA. HIGINIA RIOS
Female
Christening: 11 MAY 1851 Nuestra Senora De Guadalupe, Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico
Parents:
Mother: TRANQUILINA RIOS Family
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
K600525 1848 - 1857 0162706 Film NONE

Dave is also a Los Altos cousin. He and I are related about 11 times about 11-12 generations back in Aguascalientes; Nochistlan, Zacatecas; Teocaltiche and Santa Maria de Los Lagos, Jalisco. He also has Banuelos in Colotlan which may be another connection to you or to your cousin Andy.

Rose