Nuestros Ranchos Site

Has anyone else tried facial recognition technology?

I just gave it a try, and was very impressed. I uploaded one of my best, most youthful pictures, and the program instantly scanned the image, broke it down and compared it to its celebrity data bank. Within two seconds my match came up. Cat Stevens! I have always thought I looked like him, on a VERY GOOD day! Finally, someone agreed with me.

But, then I uploaded another picture, and my match came out to be Katharine Hepburn!

The concept is superb. The program compares your old family photos against their member database, and sees if anyone else has your ancestor in their family tree. Or, if you have a picture of an ancestor who is not identified, theoretically this software could match the picture with one that is verified.

But, I think the software is too influenced by the position or angle of your face, and head. Facial hair causes problems, too. I don’t want to search for someone with the same moustache, I’m looking for the face underneath.

The problems with MyHeritage, as I see them, are the limited data base. The forums are virtually all blank at this point. The focus is too much on celebrities. The software is incompatible with my Safari email program, and with my Mac Family genealogy program.

But, I think facial recognition has big potential. Especially when the database holds a broader collection of faces. And the software is refined.

Another good feature is when you search for a name, Romo for instance, it gives you the option of searching alternate spellings that it lists for you.

Of course, there are no Romos, nor Moctezumas in their database:(

Maybe one day….

Jose, Ernie and anyone else interested in Pancho Villa,

Here is a link to a website regarding the last surviving son of Pancho
Villa. He lives in Northern CA. http://www.navavilla.com/

Maria Cortez

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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 16:32:13 -0600
> From: "Jose Aguayo"
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Ceniceros
> To:
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> Hola Nathan:
> I read with great interest your mention of General Trinidad Rodriguez. I,
> too, am a student of the Mexican Revolution and especially General
> Francisco
> Villa and the Division Del Norte. When I read your message, I immediately
> consulted the index of The Life & Times of Pancho Villa by Friedrich Katz.
> There is indeed a reference to one General Trinidad Rodriguez, but no
> listing of his maternal surname in the index. The narrative this 800 plus
> page tome lists your possible ancestor four times. He was associated with
> Villa from his bandit days before the Revolution. Villa considered him
> one
> of his favorite generals -- as evidence, he adopted Trinidad's son Samuel
> after the general was killed late in the Revolution. There is mention in
> the book of Manuel Chao and Trinidad Rodriguez's troops being defeated by
> General Pascual Orozco at the battle of Santa Rosalia in 1913. Trinidad
> Rodriguez was the uncle of Rogelio Rodriguez Saenz whose father owned the
> hacienda of El Pichague. The father, for obvious reasons, wanted nothing
> to
> do with the revolution, but Rogelio also joined one of Villa's brigades.
> The final mention in the book of General Trinidad Rodriguez is when he
> heard
> that Villa threatened to resign command of the Division del Norte during
> his
> dispute with General Carranza in 1914. When Carranza accepted Villa's
> resignation and appointed him Governor of Chihuahua, a disgruntled General
> Rodriguez was overheard to say, "I will go into the mountains and live off
> roots!" I would bet that this General Rodriguez Saenz was in fact your
> "tio
> abuelo" because Villa would have only allowed the erection of a statue in
> his beloved Chihuahua of one of his favorite commanders and trusted
> friend.
> Jose Aguayo
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "NathanJones"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 7:24 AM
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Ceniceros
>
>
> >
> > Ceniceros is a name in our family that is virtually interchangeable with
> > Lucifer himself. El diablo.
> >
> > My mother turned 88 last week, on July 10. She's bedridden. She's always
> > had flat feet, and has diabetic neuropathy, so her tiny feet can't
> support
> > her weight anymore. And she has alzheimer's, so her memory is very weak.
> >
> > But when she hears that name her green eyes still glow red with fire.
> >
> > Ceniceros was the man who killed her father, my grandfather in 1923 in
> > Jimenez, Chihuahua.
> > He was the principal of the school in Hidalgo del Parral, Chihuahua at
> the
> > time.
> >
> > And a member of the brand new PRI Party. Perhaps, the first PRI
> candidate
> > to be assasinated.
> >
> > Grandpa Nicolas found Pancho VIlla's buried treasure, so the story goes.
> > And Ceniceros killed him for it.
> >
> > I don't have all the facts right. But family tradition says Ceniceros
> was
> > released following a general amnesty that freed all prisoners following
> > the revolution.
> >
> > Naturally, the revolutionary period in Chihuahua is of interest to my
> > family. I've tried to find sources without much luck.
> >
> > I cannot corroborate whether General Trinidad Rodriguez was actually my
> > mother's uncle as she has always told me. She took me to his mounted
> > statue when she showed me Chihuahua as a boy, and told me that was her
> > uncle.
> >
> > As I've mentioned before, there are TWO Generals Trindidad Rodriguez in
> > this period, and area.
> > General Trinidad Rodriguez Quintanilla is defnitely NOT my relation. The
> > other Trini Rodriguez is the one we believe is part of our familia. But
> I
> > can find no direct evidence:(
> >
> > I would like to piece the puzzle together for my madrecita querida
> before
> > she dies. Tie the Rodriguez family together at last.
> >
> > Mama lost her father when she was only five years old. Yet she remembers
> > him as if she saw him yesterday. Nothing has been able to erase that
> > memory from her mind, or that love in her heart.
> >
> > I recently heard from a cousin that family friends came to my uncle
> Guerro
> > about forty years ago. My mother's older brother by 11 months. They told
> > him Ceniceros was in town, there in Chihuahua, Chihuahua. They gave my
> > uncle a loaded gun and told him they would go with him to kill him.
> >
> > But my uncle uncharacteristically said his first responsibility now was
> > his own children, not avenging his father.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
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> >
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> >
>
>
>

MARIA LUJAN wrote: Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 13:08:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: MARIA LUJAN
Subject: Fwd: Research
To: general-@lists.nuestrosranchos.org

MARIA LUJAN wrote: Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 21:38:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: MARIA LUJAN
Subject: Fwd: Research
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org

MARIA LUJAN wrote: Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 22:26:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: MARIA LUJAN
Subject: Research
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org

Looking for Lujan surname in Sain del Alto Zacatecas. My grandfather Jose Lujan born May 11, 1896 was illegitamite born to Leonarda Lujan fathered by Eduardo Martinez. Would like to find out more about his mother's family I know there was several sisters. Would like to find out what year Leonarda Lujan was born and where her family came from.

I live in Northern California. I am an artist and I teach young children. I have three grown children.

I have always had an interest in finding out where my roots lie and what I am all about. That is all I'll share for now. Hope you can help me because I also want to know about my grandmother's family surname Castaneda from Sain del Alto, Zacatecas she was born there as Maria Mendoza Castaneda May 29, 1903.

-------- Original Message --------

Hi,
I was not sure now to send in my introduction, so I
am sending it to you in a word doc.
Yvonne

 Family Genealogist

Yvonne sent me her introduction so here it
is. . .welcome to the group Yvonne. . .lots of nice people in the
group, feel free to post any questions you might have and ideas and
teach us some things you have learned. This group is for you as the
individual member. No one is better than anyone here. we're all equals.



welcome,



joseph



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Hi Everyone,

I am new to the Ranchos Group and I am excited to
be a
“Rancho” member. I live in Sacramento,
Ca. and have assisted my sister with genealogy since the late 70’s but
really
stared digging into our family history for about 7 years now. We have
been
collecting documents such as obituaries, death, marriage, birth
certificates,
photos and more. We have been using the FHC, public libraries, web
sites,
cemeteries, mortuaries, vitals and family to obtain any documents and
information to build on our tree. We have traveled to Texas
to meet and record our Grand Aunt (98 this April) to get family
history. She is
sharp as a whip and has a lot of family information. We have also gone
to
Jalpa, Zac. to meet our distant cousins and get information from them
and go to
the old cemetery. And we have gone to several family reunions, which
are our
distant cousins but didn’t know us until we showed them how we are
connected
through use of our family tree. We are very dedicated in our research
and enjoy
exploring the past.

The surnames of my family that is in the three
areas for
this site are, Sandoval, Macias, Cuellar, Hernandez, Calvillo, Herrera,
Viramontes, Guerrero, Luevano and Rodriguez.

I am also searching in Jalisco, Guanajuato and
Michocan, for
Villegas, Soto, Rodriguez, Guillen, Estrada, Chavarria, Ramirez and
Montes, and
in Sonora; Fimbres,
Villanueva,
Guerrero and Carranza.

My husband Anthony (who works along side me in all
my
research and travels) and I are also researching his family in Zacatecas,
Chihuahua and Guanajuato those
surnames are
Beltran, Banda, Valverde, Mosqueda, Jaime, Lopez and Martinez.

New Rancho Member

Yvonne Hernandez Beltran

Anthony Mosqueda Beltran

Hello,

I just wanted to let everyone know, that I will be teaching a class at the Northern Utah Family History Conference & Symposium, in Ogden, Utah on Oct. 7th, the Saturday before the Legado Latino Conference. And I also been asked to be a speaker at the St. George, Ut 2007 Genealogy & Family Heritage Jamboree, in St. George, Utah on Feb 9-10. Both conferences are being sponsored by www.myancestorsfound.com . Both classes with be on Mexican Research. So if anyone will be in the area, please come and enjoy the conferences.

Jonathan

The index ends at the names that start with "P!"
Just before we get to my Rangels, and Romos:(
As if they intentionally wanted to tease me.

Letty, et all

First, I want to thank you for taking time to do this for me. Here are a
few names regarding the Robles connection from Tlatelenango. Any help in
breaking my current barrier regarding any of these names would greatly be
appreciated (their parents). I am also including other surnames from the same village
where I have had difficulties breaking through the barrier.

MANUELA ESTRADA ROBLES was married to PRUDENCIO HERRERA in Tlaltenango (date
approximately late 1700's). Prudencio may have been earlier, as his name
appears as PRUDENCIO MARIN DE HERRERA married to NICOLASA PAULA DE ESTRADA SAN
MARTIN in 1757.......

Both couples had a child who used the following names: Luis de la Cruz
Errera San Martin (born in 1774) or Luis Herrera Estrada --- I am trying to
figure out which Luis Herrera is related to me.

Their child LUIS HERRERA ESTRADA married MARIA RUFINA DE ROBLES RIOS in 1816.

Records indicate that the parents of Maria Rufina de Robles Rios
were:RODUCINDO DE ROBLES and PAULINA CABALLERO.
----------------------------------------
JOSE TOMAS TREJO married in 1827 MARIA TERESA DE JESUS ESPINOZA
Their daughter Maria de los Angeles (Aug 5, 1829) married in 1851 FELIX
LUNA.

1. Cayetano CORCHADO married Isabel HERNANDEZ
1. Leonardo Corchado (nov 8, 1843) marries? In 1864 Luisa de CENA
2. Yldefonsa Corchado married Jose Maria DE HERRERA ROBLES (parents:
Prudencio Herrera and Manuela Estrada Robles)

Also, I can't find anything on Ysidra Yñiguez (1863) family.

Esperanza

-----Original Message-----
>From: Jose Aguayo

>I read with great interest your mention of General Trinidad Rodriguez. I,
>too, am a student of the Mexican Revolution and especially General Francisco
>Villa and the Division Del Norte. When I read your message, I immediately
>consulted the index of The Life & Times of Pancho Villa by Friedrich Katz.

Jose, would your book include any information on the "Tigre de Tijuana"
Lt. Miguel Guerrero, who died Feb 14, 1914 while fighting the Villistas in San
Miguel el Alto? I'm curious as to his date and place of birth, and ancestry, to
prove or disprove a possible family connection. There was a corrido written
about him, and his remains are buried in Tijuana. I've seen only a brief reference
to Guerrero on someone's blog, and have part of a faded newspaper article from
1936 that my grandmother saved. Guerrero murdered my grandfather in 1912.

Thank you for your help and time.

Gloria Delgado

Hi Letty - are any of your Robles family members connected with Tlaltenango,
Zacatecas?

Esperanza

Ceniceros is a name in our family that is virtually interchangeable with Lucifer himself. El diablo.

My mother turned 88 last week, on July 10. She's bedridden. She's always had flat feet, and has diabetic neuropathy, so her tiny feet can't support her weight anymore. And she has alzheimer's, so her memory is very weak.

But when she hears that name her green eyes still glow red with fire.

Ceniceros was the man who killed her father, my grandfather in 1923 in Jimenez, Chihuahua.
He was the principal of the school in Hidalgo del Parral, Chihuahua at the time.

And a member of the brand new PRI Party. Perhaps, the first PRI candidate to be assasinated.

Grandpa Nicolas found Pancho VIlla's buried treasure, so the story goes. And Ceniceros killed him for it.

I don't have all the facts right. But family tradition says Ceniceros was released following a general amnesty that freed all prisoners following the revolution.

Naturally, the revolutionary period in Chihuahua is of interest to my family. I've tried to find sources without much luck.

I cannot corroborate whether General Trinidad Rodriguez was actually my mother's uncle as she has always told me. She took me to his mounted statue when she showed me Chihuahua as a boy, and told me that was her uncle.

As I've mentioned before, there are TWO Generals Trindidad Rodriguez in this period, and area.
General Trinidad Rodriguez Quintanilla is defnitely NOT my relation. The other Trini Rodriguez is the one we believe is part of our familia. But I can find no direct evidence:(

I would like to piece the puzzle together for my madrecita querida before she dies. Tie the Rodriguez family together at last.

Mama lost her father when she was only five years old. Yet she remembers him as if she saw him yesterday. Nothing has been able to erase that memory from her mind, or that love in her heart.

I recently heard from a cousin that family friends came to my uncle Guerro about forty years ago. My mother's older brother by 11 months. They told him Ceniceros was in town, there in Chihuahua, Chihuahua. They gave my uncle a loaded gun and told him they would go with him to kill him.

But my uncle uncharacteristically said his first responsibility now was his own children, not avenging his father.

I have Bergara's in my line from around 1754 to 1789....(Maria Olaya Bergara born in 1789 to Salvador Bergara and Maria Salvadora Godoy)....

Thanks...

For the past 20 years my hobby has been making and designing jewelry in all phases. Recently checking a few web sites such as www.heraldaria.com and www.myhistories.com/searchpage.htm I have been able to locate the coat of arms for many of my friends and my own last name and have personally created rings, pendants, tie tack and cuff links all with the family crest.

If ever have inquired in magazines or jewelry stores, their prices are out of this world. Because I have many connections in the jewelry making and sales I can save you plenty of money if you're interested in such jewelry.

The initial carving is not cheap because it requires the art work to be scanned and the duplicated with the use of a computer that actually carves the wax mold.
The price for such a job cost $20 per hour (and that is my wholesale price) each product varies in time but the finished product is well worth it. After the initial wax carving is made then is casted in gold any karat that you desire, or silver. If you want several rings made a rubber mold (vulcanization) is created for about $35 and then you can cast as many rings as you would like and cut the cost.

I can recycle your gold or you can pay for the gold at current world price. Since you may not trust me with you money or gold maybe I can show some of my work at the get together in Salk Lake city. Francisco

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Do you Yahoo!?
Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta.

If your Ana de Haro died in 1716 she cannot be the same Ana de Haro that I have nor can she be the daughter of Juan de Miramonte since he was born circa 1550 and all of his children appeared marrie by 1629 so your Ana de Haro would have to have been over 100 years old when she died to be Juan de Miramonte's daughter. She is probably a granddaughter or great-granddaughter of Juan de Miramonte and Maria de Haro y Saucedo, not their daughter.

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From: George Luna
Date: 2006/07/17 Mon PM 01:20:50 CDT
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Haro Ancestors

Hi Arturo,
This is very interesting but confusing. I have the death document (1716,
Jerez) for Ana de Aro which has her married to Diego de la Torre. What
are the dates on your records and are these really two Ana de Aros?
George

arturoramos wrote:
> I have recently found a document in Archivos Espanoles en Red for Nicolas de Haro, who was son of Hernando de Haro and grandson of Juan de Miramonte and Maria de Haro y Saucedo. He states that his great-grandparents were Francisco Bobadilla and Maria Saucedo, which matches this claim:
>
> The parents of Anna Francisca de Haro were Juan de Miramontes and Maria Rodriguez de Haro Y Saucedo. Juan's parents are Francisco de Miramontes and Maria de Rivera. Maria Rodriguez's parents are Francisco de Bobadilla and Maria O Haro de Saucedo de Llavo.
>
> I do not have Ana Francisca de Haro down as a child of Juan de Miramonte and Maria de Haro y Saucedo, but I do have her down married to a Juan Ortiz de San Pedro, who was the brother of Cecilia Lopez (the second wife of Hernando de Haro and stepmother of Nicolas de Haro)... two pairs of siblings married to each other. It makes sense, particularly since I believe that the Ortiz de San Pedro and Haro Miramontes were the only Spanish families in Tlaltenango in the early 1600s.

Hello Esther, Any help locating inforamtion on Onates or Santelices from Aguascalientes or Zacatecas would be appreciated. Thanks, ABB

Linda,

I saw this in your gedcom. Please do tell me that we are cousins and
that this person is in your direct line of decendancy? Are you, could
you shall we start celebrating that we as long lost cousins have found
each other? Matias Banuelos and Estefana Sanchez were my (5)
ggggg-grandparents.

Prima???

joseph

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Leonarda (Maria Ysidra) BANUELOS
1799 - 1879

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Birth May 1799 Tepetongo Zacatecas Mexico
Sex Female
Died 19 Feb 1879 Los Cuevas Zacatecas Mexico
Buried 20 Feb 1879 District Of Jerez Zacatecas Mexico [1]
Person ID I11780 Linda Castanon-Long
Last Modified 29 Feb 2004

Father Matias (Jose) BANUELOS, b. Abt 1770, Tepetongo
Zacatecas Mexico
Mother Estefana (Maria) SANCHEZ, b. Abt 1775, Tepetongo
Zacatecas Mexico
Family ID F0746 Group Sheet

Family Pedro CASTANON, b. Abt 1795, District Of Jerez
Zacatecas Mexico
Children
1. Perfecta (Maria) CASTANON, b. Abt 1832, El Durazno, Jerez
Zacatecas Mexico
2. Dominga CASTANON, b. Abt 1833, El Durazno Zacatecas Mexico
3. Ygnacia (Maria) CASTANON, b. 1834, El Durazno Zacatecas Mexico
4. Sotera CASTANON, b. Abt 1835, El Durazno, Jerez Zacatecas
Mexico
5. Jose De Jesus CASTANON, b. Abt 1838, District Of Jerez
Zacatecas Mexico
Family ID F0600 Group Sheet

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Christening: 19 MAY 1799 Tepetongo, Zacatecas, Mexico
MARIA YSIDRA LEONARDA BANUELOS SANCHES
Female
Father: JOSE MATIAS BANUELOS Family
Mother: MARIA ESTEFANA SANCHES
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C600832 1797 - 1817 0445157 Film NONE

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sorry, i'm so new to this, but i was wondering how and where i can order films? i'm a little confused, sorry... any tips on how to start my research? thank you!

I thought some of you California members might be interested in this
meeting.
Linda

Begin forwarded message:

> 4. Notice of DNA Meeting July 29, 2006 at SCGS Library in Burbank,CA
> Posted by: "Doug Miller" djmill@earthlink.net dnadoug
> Date: Sun Jul 16, 2006 8:47 pm (PDT)
>
> July 29, 2006, 10am - 2pm
> Southern California Genealogical Society
> 417 Irving Dr., Burbank, CA 91504
> 818-843-7247
>
> Guest speaker: Colleen Fitzpatrick, Ph.D., (who WOWed everyone at
> Jamboree!) will discuss
> how you can use DNA to go beyond the "Are you my cousin?" stage of
> genetic genealogy to
> learn more about the geographical and historical context of your
> family. She will discuss
> the basics of cladograms, and show how they can be used as a
> convenient tool for
> interpreting your group's DNA results. She will draw on her six
> years experience as the
> group administrator of the Fitzpatrick DNA study to demonstrate
> general features of
> cladograms and how they indicate the history and development of a
> surname. The talk will
> be geared to all levels of interest. She is the author of Forensic
> Genealogy and co-author
> with Andrew Yeiser of DNA & Genealogy. The morning session will be
> the speaker; the
> afternoon session will have split groups for newcomers and
> experienced participants. Lunch
> options: bring your own or order pizza as a group. For more
> information contact Alice
> Fairhurst (626) 331-4791 or afairhurst@earthlink.net
>
> Alice M. Fairhurst
>
>

It appears that Enrique Legaspi Frias and Florentino (Tino) Corbera share common ancestry, via Diego Delgadillo married to Petrona de Isla. This is the same line that linked with Maria Cortes, another NuestrosRanchos member. Tino's line continues from Diego and Petrona via their daughter Mariana Delgadilo bapt. 23 March 1655, Nochistlan, Zacatecas, Mexico, and married to Francisco Flores de Medrano.
Pat Silva Corbera
Tracy CA.

I'm afraid there is no match.... my direct ancestor comes through their daughter Leonarda, who's daughter, Perfecta Castanon who married Severiano Perez who's parent's Victoriano Perez and Felipa Zamora are my direct ancestors. I've tried to find Perfecta's father Pedro Castanon connection to my line of Castanon's but haven't so far... so our kinship makes us kissing cousins I'm afraid..

Linda in b.c.

ps.. I'm having to cut and paste all my (b) and (n) since I spilled a cup of coffee on my keyboard.. live and learn

I have become very frustrated lately, I have spent hours and hours online
searching various web sites in search of some sort of links to my family. with
no luck. about the microfilms can anyone tell me, do you order them through
the mail or do you or can you look at them online I am not sure how to do this?
I have also been trying to ask family members about my great grand parents
again with no luck. is it common that Hispanic people didn't care about such
records or is it because of some other reason. it seems important to me to
pass your heritage down to your children but it is difficult when you cant find
it to pass down. jovana

I want to share some of the letter from Gary Felix at our findings of Haplogroup-N for my Gutierrez ancestor.. Ernie, you're looking for genetic proof of lineage so I thought this was a interesting fact Gary Felix shared, the fact that Moctezuma's lineage shares Haplogroup N3, a offshoot of Haplogroup-N.. just food for thought...

Erlinda Castanon-Long
wrote:
Hi Gary, thank you for the explanation, I was totally confused and still am to a point.. Are you saying that it's more likely that our Gutierrez line in Mexico is Native American Haplogroup N? I haven't seen any other Mexican Natives with that Haplogroup and that's whats confusing me.
thanks for your patience, Linda Castanon-Long

From: Gary Felix
To: Erlinda Castanon-Long
Subject: Re: Gutierrez Haplogroup N
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 12:55:42 -0700 (PDT)

Hi LInda,

yes it is more likely that your family line is Native American than Chinese and you are right there is no proof yet of Haplogroup N in Native Americans. The proof would come in finding N in pre columbian bones. The fact that your results match native siberians (Native Americans came from Siberia at least 15K years ago) means your haplotype (in this case your 12 markers) is likely one of the originals or founder haplotypes.

The interesting thing is that N3 is found only in a Seville sample in Spain. Seville was the gateway to the new world and Native Americans were brought to Spain early on. The grandson of Moctezuma married a Spanish woman. These lines are part of the house of Moctezuma.
http://book-smith.tripod.com/montezuma.html

The fact that your numbers come close to eastern european leaves this as a possibility.
There are people that would be eager to help determine if this is a Native American sample.

Email me anytime.
Gary

My family is very large, my father is the youngest of 11 siblings. his father was born in zacatecas mexico, his name was benjamin. he had a brother named ramerio. I am researching our family but no one seems to know what my grandfathers, fathers name was. I have heard that he was very tall light skined and very strict. it is exciting to find out new information on my heritage. about the people and the many stories I have read. I am very happy to be a member of this group. I have been stuck for a while now on my research, and this gives me a new hope of learning more about my family history.

As I understand the article we are all the children of Moctezuma in the broadest possible interpretation of the term because he has living descendants. Because he is a link in the human chain.

He was descendent from the sole human survivor, as well. It is not necessarily a direct linear descent, but an interconnected relatedness in which every living person on earth shares DNA with each other, and with persons such as Moctezuma, Cortez, the Hapsburgs...

The article went on to describe Brooke Shileds royal descent as an example. As if we really care about her personal lineage!

The author might have had a political agenda. He said every Arab has Jewish relatives, and vice versa. Words close to that, I don't have the article anymore. The analogy could equally be applied to conquistadores, and conquered.

I agree with you about the exceptions regarding the aboriginal people of Austraila, and others. I believe the entire premise is flawed. Yet it is presented as a mathematical certainty without addressing major issues.

It is hard to find. I located a library in Texas with a copy. but they were not willing to let it out of their state on an inter library loan.

But they were kind enough to copy the ten pages of chapter 58, capitulo 58.
The descent of Petronila Moctezuma and Martin Navarro down through both of their daughters.

The chapter corroborates Petronila's descent from the emperor of the Aztecs. Something I've been looking for for years.

I also have Petronila's marriage record as compiled by Jaime Holcombe. Further proof of her imperial descent.

I would be gald to email my scans to you so everyone can view this valuable material.

And, in hopes that others will contribute what they have and know about Petronila Moctezuma.
My cause celebre!

I discovered the El Paso library was set to open this July, but
it's mid-July and nothing yet. Can't seem to contact anyone
either. Will keep you informed.

Connie

Connie Dominguez
El Paso, TX, USA