Nuestros Ranchos Site

Many thanks to all who have contributed to my project on Chihuahua.

I intend to follow up my study on Chihuahua with one on Aguascalientes along the same broad outlines.

So if you have any books you can part with on Aguascalientes, or old family photos to share, please let me know.

I will need volunteers to translate books from Spanish to English in their own hmes. Any volunteers will be credited in the finished work.

Seguro que leo, escribo y hablo castellano. Mi mama es de Hidalgo del Parral y tengo mucho orgullo de ser parte de una cultura tan alta como la Mexicana.

Pueden mandarme fotos antiguos familiares y libros hisotricos y genealogicos de Chihuahua y Aguascalientes a su gusto.

Por email o a mi domicilio:

Ernie Alderete
2081 Vancouver Ave.
Monterey Park, California 91754 USA

No estoy interesado en dinero. Solo ayudar a los que buscan sus raices y mejorar el imagen de nuestra gente.

I'm not interested in money. Only in helping fellow researchers and improving the image of our people.

I'm writing an English language guide to the genealogy and history of Chihuahua that I think will be of use to everyone tracing their roots to Chihuahua.

I need additional source material. In particular books on Chihuahua's history and genealogy as well as family narratives. There must be several hundred books on the subject, virtualy 99% in Spanish, most out of print, most had small print runs in the first place, many were printed by small concerns in out of the way towns and pueblos.

I can translate and synthesize all the information into one English language source.

If you have a book that might be of help, please let me know. If you donate a book, or pamphlet you will receive a copy of the completed study.

If you rather sell your material, I'm willing to buy.

Used, worn out copies are just fine. I'm not looking for a handsome library, just a lot of information.

You are welcome to donate scans of your family photos of Chihuahua. Pictures of people and places, the landscape, the way life used to be.

I have hundreds of pictrures already, but you never know what might show up.

I don't intend this to be the typical Pancho Villa dominated story. It will tell the story of all of our people, all our families, not just mine.

I think I can paint an exciting and accurate narrative as well as supply the facts and create a guide.

>
> Arturo & Joseph,

I believe that priests (maybe only some?) are still required to submit
genealogical type of information. The reason I say this is that I visited
an Uncle of mine who lives in the Rancho de San Nicolás de los Abundis a few
years ago. He is interested in genealogy and has done some research, so I
brought him a pedigree chart that I printed for him. His comment to me was
that it would've been nice for his son (who is an ordained priest) to have
had that chart when he needed it to present to the Archdiocese. I assume
from this comment that priests still submit their genealogies before being
ordained.

Maria

Today's Topics:
>
> 1. Re: Priests' Genealogies (Joseph Puentes)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 19:41:00 -0500
> From: Joseph Puentes
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Priests' Genealogies
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Message-ID: <44652B1C.8090600@nc.rr.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>
>
> arturoramos wrote:
>
> >I remember reading somewhere that priests were required (prior to Mexican
> independence) to submit a certification of purity of blood (limpieza de
> sangre). These certifications were basically genealogies going back a few
> generations.
> >
> >Does anyone know where the archives of these documents can be found?
> >
> >Has someone in the group seen one and have a sample of what they look
> like?
> >
> do you think they might be in some of these records? I've not looked
> into these records yet and would like to one day order a film to see
> what kind of info there is for them. I've got a Cipriano Puente who was
> a priest in Huejucar during the 1860's-1870's and I'd be interested to
> see if he is related. But this is after Independence so would'nt fit in
> with purity of blood idea:
>
> Title
> Documentos eclesi?sticos, 1604-1898
>
> Authors
> Iglesia Cat?lica. Di?cesis de Guadalajara (M?xico) (Main Author)
>
> Notes
> Microfilme de manuscritos en el Archivo de la Sagrada Mitra en
> Guadalajara.
> Ordenes de los ingresos al sacerdocio.
> Documents regarding ordinations to the priesthood within the Roman
> Catholic Diocese of Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico.
>
> Subjects
> M?xico, Jalisco - Church records
> M?xico, Jalisco, Guadalajara - Church records
>
> Format
> Manuscript (On Film)
>
> Language
> Spanish
>
> Publication
> Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmados por la Sociedad Geneal?gica de Utah,
> 1957-1958
>
> Physical
> 131 carretes de microfilme ; 35 mm.
>
> Film Notes
> Note - Location [Film]
> Ordenes 1648-1881 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168673 ]
>

Hello All! long time no posting! Anyway, when someone posts a new "genealogical" file, or edit's one...how does everyone/anyone find out? The reason I ask is that I added to new files to my tree and wondered how anyone would know to go there and look at it?

If there is something else that I'm not doing, then I guess this is my notification.....here it goes...

I'm very excited to tell you all that I've been moving forward in my research and have found two more "limbs" in my family tree that landed in Zacatecas! Please view my "Baez Family" file and my "Oviedo Family". This is my maternal line - one that I didn't think would interest this group because my researched centered in Coahuila...it turns out this road led me to Noria de Angeles, Zacatecas, Fresnillo Zacatecas and Zacatecas Zacatecas.

Hope all the Mother's out there had a great day - I know I did....

Peggy

Hi All,

Charles asked me this question and since my research is not around
Nochistlan I thought I'd forward this on to the group. If any of you all
have this information maybe it would be good to make a file in the
reference area of the group for the Estancias.

thanks,

joseph

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Nochistlan/La Estancias
Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 09:12:02 -0700
From: Charles Clark
To: Joseph Puentes

Joseph:

Do you have a list of the La Estancias ... in and around Nochistlan?

I have been looking for the complete name of the birth place of my
grandfather, Pedro Rodriguez born in 1883 in "La Estancia." He was
married to Maria Ulloa and they had many many common ancestors with many
of them listed in Jose Luis Vasquez y Rodriguez de Frias' book. That is
how the place was described by my mother and her sisters but I know
that that was only part of the name. I thought that the birth
certificate would give the full name except that it is too hard to read.
I recently saw pictures of it and it seemed a bit larger than I
expected. I also saw pictures of his house which I am told is over 300
years old.

As always, I appreciate any help you can give me.

Sincerely,

Charles Clark

Nathan,

Is this the same Diego ROMO DE VIVAR that was born 12 Mar 1589 in Relves,
Toledo, Espana? If so, he is my 8th GGrandfather.

Ken Alva
Southern California

Gracias to all member that responded favorable.
My project has taken me from prehispanic time to the present(1968-71). I have tried to incorporate several short stories "cuentos" and novels that has a "Fiesta" or celebration of somewhere within the drama/dialog. Some have a political overtone, but I feel strongly that the message must continue and that more mexicanos/hispanics/chicanos must be aware. I hope I don't offend or shock anyone. Thanks, Francisco.

Gracias a todos los miembros que respondieron favorable.
El proyecto me ha llevado desde los tiempos precortecinos al presente (1968-71). He tratado de incorporar algunos cuentos y novelas que se refieren a una "fiesta o a una celebracion dentro de la drama/dialogo. Algunos de los cuentos tienen un tono politico, pero creo que el mensaje tiene que continuar y espero que mas mexicanos/as/hispanos/chicanos/ tienen que darse cuenta. Espero no ofender o alarmar a nadie. Gracias Francisco

PS/PD Lo siento pero el trabajo esta en Espanol..I'm sorry but the project was done in Spanish.

Ok I have created a file in NUESTROS RANCHOS web page, the file name is fiestas mexicanas project or proyecto a ranchos.doc

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Okay I finally got around to stripping the living people out of my
gedcom and uploading it to the Gedcom section of the group: have a look
at it when you have some time.

Here is how I was told by a member of the Family Tree Maker lysis group
to Strip the living individuals from a FTM gedcom:

Make a backup of your file just in case Murphy's law strikes!

go to File, preference, privatize
or
File, privatize, depending on which version you have

file, copy/export the privatized file - name it something that you will
recognize as being a COPY of your file - like temp-privatized-file

Un-privatize & then close your regular file
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now this part is very very very important:

Open the privatized COPY!!! of your file

Make sure you are working with the privatized COPY!!! of your file

make a custom report that includes everyone with the word "Private" in
Birth, Death, Marriage, etc. field

people, delete individuals in Report

file, copy/export the file into a gedcom. . .since this is from the
privatized copy that has now just had all the individuals that were
marked private DELETED from the file you can create a gedcom that will
be free of any living individuals.

joseph

Por favor comparte tu trabajo con nosotros. A mi me gustari mucho leerlo. Si quieres, puedes crear una carpeta de archivos y montar el trabajo ahi y luego nos puedes avisar donde pusiste el trabajo.

Please share your work with us. I for one would love to read it. If you like, you can create a file folder and upload it there and then advise the group where the work is located.

-Arturo
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Estimados miembros de nuestros ranchos:
Recientemente he terminado un trabajo sobre las fiestas mexicanas y la ideosincrasia de los mexicanos. Me gustaria compartir con el grupo y de esta manera tal vez inquietarles a que otros compartieran algo de sus trabajos, memorias, anecdotas, etc... claro si ustedes estan de acuerdo.

Members of nuestros ranchos;
I recently finished a project regarding Mexican fiestas and the way mexican people act and react in such fiestas, and maybe other would like to share their own works, memeories, anecdotes, etc. of course if you agree I can send this work.
Sincerely Francisco

Estimados miembros de nuestros ranchos:
Recientemente he terminado un trabajo sobre las fiestas mexicanas y la ideosincrasia de los mexicanos. Me gustaria compartir con el grupo y de esta manera tal vez inquietarles a que otros compartieran algo de sus trabajos, memorias, anecdotas, etc... claro si ustedes estan de acuerdo.

Members of nuestros ranchos;
I recently finished a project regarding Mexican fiestas and the way mexican people act and react in such fiestas, and maybe other would like to share their own works, memeories, anecdotes, etc. of course if you agree I can send this work.
Sincerely Francisco

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check this site out:

http://class.csueastbay.edu/anthropologymuseum/2006IMMIGRANTS/immigrant…

and then this link:

http://class.csueastbay.edu/anthropologymuseum/2006IMMIGRANTS/VIDEOS/in…
(the one from Mexico is from Jalisco)

I need help with a first name. I've always had trouble with getting a
grasp on this name and am probably butchering it badly.

Can you all figure out what the name is suppose to be: Yldefora or Yldefoura

hmmm, can anyone help?

joseph

ps: I can put a scan up in the albums if need be.

Arturo,
I got this when an article about me was in somos primos. I think it is
the work of Salvador Cabral Valdes. I have attached it.
George

My Paternal Family Tree is now uploaded and ready for you to view.

It is entitled FROM MOCTEZUMA to ALDERETE and is very extensive. I hope it can be of use to you in your research. Considering our field of research I suspect I'm related to a whole lot of you.
I, of course, hope to expand the tree and verifying it more completely. That may well be my life's work.

I have taken a three pronged approach to my ancestry. Oral tradition told me I was descended from Emperor Moctezuma. The paper trail confirmed family tradition. Now I am working to confirm that ancestry thru DNA testing.

http://www.genealogy.com/users/a/l/d/Ernie-Alderete/

http://www.familytreedna.com/(hcojjivgekjvu155hef2gy55)/public/alderete

http://www.familytreedna.com/public/moctezuma

Thank you for finding that.

I'll bet he's the other General Trini Rodriguez. If he died in 1914 it makes sense that Pancho Villa adopted his son as his own.

I saw the original baptismal announcement at the Villa Museum in Parral. The child's name was Samuel Rodriguez and the godparents were Francisco Villa and Luz Corral.

Although the date of birth works. My great grandpa Jose Rodriguez Montoya was born in Parral in 1867. He had an older brother born in 1859, and a younger brother born in 1871. There could have been an even yonger brother born around 1880.

My grandfather, Nicolas Rodriguez Contreras was born in 1890, son of Grandpa Jose Rodriguez Montoya and Maria Leonor Anizeta Contreras, his first wife.

Nicolas was mayor of Parral and principal of the school during the Pershing Incursion. He rallied his students to stop the gringos. He told them the gringos would not pass Parral, if they did the road would be wide open to Mexico City. My mamacita tells me the American soldiers cried for their mothers when my grandpa's students attacked them with farm implements and sticks and stones.

They rode straight for the border and never violated Mexican soil again.

I got a monthly email from Genealogia del Norte de Mexico, so that site is not quite dead.

I took another look at it, and couldn’t find anything more than a single word, “password,” in English. My Spanish is pretty strong, but I’m sure I miss some subtle nuances, especially in technical passages. So I still hope to find an English-language genealogical website for Northern Mexico.

The webmaster at Genealogia also sent me a personal email saying he has two, or three more generations on my ancestor DIEGO ROMO de VIVAR. But he hasn’t come across with the data yet.

Is there anyone here working on the Mexican Revolution that can answer a question for me? My mother always told me her uncle was General Trinidad Rodriguez. My mother is still with me, but at 87, and with Alzheimer’s she’s not a reliable source anymore.

I remember her taking me as a teenager to meet Pancho Villa’s widow, Luz Corral de Villa, in Chihuahua. I believe I remember General Trinidad Rodriguez’s tomb was right in front of Luz’s house. My mother told me at the time that his headless corpse was interred there.

Last year, my sister and I went to Chihuahua to investigate our maternal heritage. We visited the Pancho Villa Museums in Chihuahua and Hidalgo del Parral. The museum in Parral is housed in my grandmother’s (Maria de las Nieves Porras) birth home. Villa was assassinated right outside her window. His Dodge crashed into a tree right in front of the stately house.

But, I found out there are TWO Generals Trinidad Rodrigues!
A moreno General Trinidad Rodriguez Quintanilla, who is not my relation, and a white General Trinidad Rodriguez, perhaps Rodriguez Montoya. Neither museum could shed any light on my question. They sell pictures of both generals, and say one Trinidad was an intimate friend of Pancho Villa’s, and in fact adopted Villa’s son after Pancho died. I suspect that is the Quintanilla general.

I haven’t found any birth record on either Rodriguez general, nor bio data more than a line, or two. Virtually nothing in encyclopedias. But there is a town in suburban Chihuahua, Chihuahua named after, I believe, my General Trini.

I have birth records on my mother’s grandfather, Jose Rodriguez Montoya, and his three sons. I suspect Trinidad is his fourth son, or brother. Jose struck it rich in the gold rush in the last part of the 19th century in Chihuahua, and had a ranch called Rancho Los Tres Hermanos.

Arturo and group:

In George Ryskamp's book, Tracing Your Hispanic Heritage, Chapter 12 is
dedicated to notarial records.

He says, on p. 437, "The most difficult problem confronting the researcher
using notarial records can be locating them." They can be kept on the
provincial (state) level, the district level, in local archives, and in
private, ecclesiastical or other government archives.

He also says (pp. 443-444), "All of the major historical archives will have
a list of the notaries whose records appear in their collections. In many
archives...these lists will be arranged in two separate sections. The first
will be an alphabetical listing of the notaries by surname, containing all
of the notaries whose protocolos appear in the archives...years such
protocolos cover, and...locality in which the notario...served. The
second...listing will be a geographical listing of all...towns from which
protocolos have been assembled in a particular archives. Under...each town
will appear the name of the notary or notaries from that town whose records
appear in the archives...with an indication as to the years...."

You have an abstract of a document at the Archivo General de la Nacion
regarding two notarios, but it is very possible that their protocolos, if
they survived, were kept on a different level than the Archivo Historico de
Jalisco.

This book is a great resource.

--Sheila P.

arturoramos wrote:

>I just found this going through the Archivo General de la Nacion index.
There was a discussion last week about finding out who were the escribanos
and how they worked. I am pretty sure that each escribano was given a
jurisdiccion where he was responsible, so this confirms that in the early
1700s there was an escribano assigned to Jerez y el Valle de Tlaltenango,
which at that time, I believe was considered a single municipal entity,
split in half by Colotlan which was under a military government under the
direct jurisdiccion of the Viceroy of New Spain, i.e. not Nueva Galicia:
>
>The escribano until 1741 was Manuel Antonio Suarez and after 1741 was
Nicolas Pardo y Figueroa. Neither of these names appears in the Archivo
Historico de Jalisco's list of escribanos.
>
>Clave de Registro 107653
>No. Grupo 45
>Grupo Documental Escribanos
>Fecha ABRIL 18 - NOVIEMBRE 16 DE 1741
>Volumen 12
>Expediente 13
>Fojas 301-312v
>Descripci?n RENUNCIA. AUTOS HECHOS SOBRE LA RENUNCIA DE DON MANUEL ANTONIO
SUAREZ, AL OFICIO DE ESCRIBANO PUBLICO Y DE CABILDO DE LA VILLA DE JEREZ Y
VALLE DE TLALTENANGO EN LA PROVINCIA DE LA NUEVA GALICIA, A FAVOR DE DON
NICOLAS PARDO Y FIGUEROA, EL CUAL SE LE REMATA EN 500 PESOS, CUYA TERCIA
PARTE PAGARA A LA REAL CAJA. VILLA DE JEREZ (Y) VALLE DE TLALTENANGO.
>

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Somos Primos May 2006 Link and Table of Contents
Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 16:49:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: MIMILOZANO@aol.com
To: MIMILOZANO@aol.com

Click here: Somos Primos: Dedicated to Hispanic Heritage and Diversity
Issues
http://www.somosprimos.com/sp2006/spmay06/spmay06.htm

Dear Readers. . .

Surely May 1, 2006 will be considered a pivotal day in the history of
the United States. We can thank the leadership, with great satisfaction
for the very orderly way the marches and boycotts were conducted.

Just received this gripping cartoon by Sergio Hernandez. Hopefully the
energetic, but peaceful voices will change the perspective of many
concerned with the increasing numbers of Hispanic/Latinos in the U.S..

Reference to the historical contributions past as well as present were
frequent in the interviews in both the English and Spanish language on
the radio and TV stations.

For you interest and support is a copy of the Senate Bill pertaining to
the feasibility of a National Museum of the American Latino Community is
the first item under U.S.

Hope you enjoy the Cinco de Mayo photo taken by Somos Primos reader
Robert Gonzalez serving in the Navy in Japan. Please feel invited to
send photos demonstrating that the Hispanic presence is, and was, all
over the world in the past, as in the present.

Warm regards, Mimi

UNITED STATES
National issues
National Latino Museum, introduced in the Senate, March 29, 2006
Cinco de Mayo *Special Edition* April 5, 2006 Census Bureau Facts

Immigration Data: With thanks to John P. Schmal
In 2005 . . 16 Million enter on Visa Waver Program
Leading Countries of Visa Overstays
Leading Countries of Nationality of Alien Removals: 2004
Legal Immigration to US Still Declining: 2003
Mexican Immigration (1936-2003)
June 30, 1921: Mexican Agricultural Laborers
Urban Institute Immigration Policy
U.S. urged to apologize for 1930s deportations
Documentary: Betrayal & Violations: Mexican Repatriation of the 1930's
California and the American Dream, PBS 4-part documentary series

Education
Wrangling over Mexican textbooks
The Value Question in the Education of Latinos

Culture
Preparing to Celebrate Hispanic Heritage Month 2006
"Hispanic Americans: Our Rich Culture Contributing to America's Future."
Latintronica: Mix and match of beats
Where does Mole come from?
Tortillas find a growing place at the table
How To Turn 15: "Quince Girl"and "Celebrate".

Business
Marketing to U.s. Hispanics & Latin America
Gloria Molina: A Day in the Life of the Woman of the Year
4th Annual Hispanic Business: Woman of the Year Awards, Caesars
Banks Accommodating Hispanics
Making American Money at Home in Mexico
N.Y. Leads Boom in Hispanic Business
Study Shows Increase in Hispanic Entrepreneurship

ANTI-SPANISH LEGENDS
The Anti-Spanish Black Legend by Luis Brandtner
Teachers Exploring Adverse Effects of California's Missions on Indians
Students at Locke High School Working Together to Learn Their History
Spanish Impact on Forging of The US. What History Failed to Tell Us

MILITARY AND LAW ENFORCEMENT HEROES
Camp Pendleton Marine, Cpl. Carlos Gomez-Perez receives Silver Star
Latin Death Rate in Viet War Cited
Jack Gomez, Orange County's first Hispanic mayor, Placentia Veteran
Army Reserve Sgt. Regina Reali, 25, Fresno; Killed in Explosion in Iraq
Sgt. Marcelino Ronald Corniel Wedding Plans Replaced by Funeral
Robert M. Martinez Sr. Austin's most decorated Police Officer
A Tale of Six Boys

SPANISH SONS OF THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION
Texas Connection to the American Revolution, TCARA
Mexicans, Indians and the Sons of the American Revolution by Paul Trejo
Patriot Ancestors Form Cuba (Part 5, continued, N-R) by Granville Hough
What became of the Gálvez Family?

Have a look in the files area under members genealogies for the new
addition of Ulla-Britt Morris' genealogy file
(http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/14470). It covers this area of
research:

Surnames Researching: Campos, Luna, Llamas, Miramontes, Munos, Mota, Torres

Areas Researching: Monte Escobedo, Fresnillo, Momax, Cuculiten, Puesto
de San Buenaventura, Tlaltenango, Achimeque, Achimec, Tepetongo,
Zacatecas; Huejucar, Colotlan, Jalisco

Is there an English language website for those of us interested in the genealogy of Northern Mexico?
I checked out Genealogica de Norte Mexico, but it is exclusively in Spanish.

My research takes me from Aguascalientes up into Cuatrocienegas/Monclova(colonial capital of Nuevo Santander)/Rio Nuevo/La Madrid/Nadadores in Coahuila de Zaragoza.

As well as to Hidalgo del Parral (San Jose del Parral in the colonial era, the colonial capital of that state) and Santa Barbara, Chihuahua.

For those of you interested in Northern Mexico, or Tortilla de Harina country as we fondly call it, I just read a wonderful book:

LOS PAISANOS.

About the early settledment of Nueva Biscaya/Chihuahua/Durango/Sonora/Sinaloa, Nuevo Leon, New Mexico, what became Arizona,Texas and the Calfironias.

I had no idea Tlaxcallans settled in Coahuila in the post conqust era with royal approval and support.

Also, that there were black slaves in Parral. Chihuahua is so white today, its hard to believe that substantial African blood was absorbed into the mainstream population.

Those of you facing an imminent closure of your local Family HIstory Center might consider petitioning Salt Lake City for an extension.

I don't remember who said they live on an island, but you could address that issue in a letter to Salt Lake.
Make them aware of the hardship it would be for you if they closed your FHC with such short notice, how your particular FHC is serving a vital sevice to the Hispanic community, and the community overall.

You might get an extra month, maybe 90 days.

I'm trying to get permission from "Here On Earth" to let the Nuestra
Familia Unida podcast link to this presentation. . .very very interesting:

http://wpr.org/HereOnEarth/archive_050501j.cfm

Medieval Spain's Golden Age of Enlightenment
May 1, 2005 Sunday 2PM CT ( listen)
Between 711 and 1492, Christians, Jews, and Muslims lived side by side
in medieval Spain and forged a golden age for each faith, making Spain
the continent's commercial and cultural center while Europeans elsewhere
were mired in the Dark Age. This hour on Here on Earth, Jean Feraca and
her guest talk about the wisdom, hope, and lessons that the medieval
Spain offers to our modern age troubled by religious strife and division.

Guest

* Chris Lowney, author of "A Vanished World: Medieval Spain's Golden
Age of Enlightenment"

Related Links

* Chris Lowney
* Book: A Vanished World: Medieval Spain's Golden Age of Enlightenment

Soundbites and Music Used in the Program

* Strunz & Farah - "Laleh" - From the album Stringweave - Selva Records
* Yair Dalal & The ALOL Ensemble - "Adon Haslichot" - From the album
Silan - Amiata Records
* Yair Dalal & The ALOL Ensemble - "Acco Malca" - From the album
Silan - Amiata Records
* Strunz & Farah - "Shamsa" - From the album Stringweave - Selva Records

I was quite surprised to find that a Google search could turn up so much information on an ancestor.

Just for the hell of it I entered DIEGO ROMO DE VIVAR. I knew he was born in Spain in 1608, married Maria Rnagel who was also born somewhere in Spain in 1612, and that they started a large family in Aguascalientes, New Spain.

The Google search revealed that he created the town of Rincon de Romos in 1658 when he bought a hacienda owned by Pedro Rincon de Ortega that had long been named “Chora.” I thought Rincon de Romos meant the Corner of the Romos, but it actually is a combination of the former owner’s surname, Rincon, with that of the purchaser, Romo.

Rincon de Romos is 41 kilometers north of the City of Aguascalientes, in the state of Aguascalientes.
Rincon de Romos is a handsome town, from the pictures I’ve seen online it looks like a little chunk of Spain.

Has anyone been there? I will have to visit. I’ll bet there’s even a portrait of my ancestor in city hall.

I haven't been able to find anything before Diego Romo de Vivar and Maria Rangel, no parents, city or province of birth. There is a record of their crossing to the New World together.

Am I missing a source for their lineage in Spain?

I found this article today regarding the hotel situation in SLC. Note in
paragraph 4 that they mention the Plaza Hotel which is now owned by the LDS
Church. It was previously known as the "Best Western Plaza at Temple
Square" and is right next door to the library.

Josie

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"Genealogists traveling to the Family History Library in Salt Lake City will
now have one less hotel to choose from. The lowest-priced hotel in the area,
the Travelodge Salt Lake City Temple Square, apparently will close.

An article in a recent issue of the Salt Lake Tribune describes recent
statements by LDS Church Presiding Bishop H. David Burton concerning the
Church's efforts at changing the area around the Church's headquarters.

The article states that "the church may add more student housing at a motel
it owns west of its Conference Center." This apparently is a reference to
the Travelodge Salt Lake City Temple Square at 144 West North Temple St.
That hotel has been well-known amongst genealogists as being the
lowest-priced hotel in the area, although readers of this newsletter gave it
a "thumbs down" in a recent survey. See my article on "Where to Stay in Salt
Lake City" at

http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2005/10/where_to_stay_i…

An announcement some months ago stated that the LDS Business College will
relocate to the church-owned Triad Center in September with up to 1,500
students. (See

http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2006/01/changes_in_the_…
for details.) Female students will be housed in one-third of the church's
Plaza Hotel at Temple Square, 122 W. South Temple. That location is next
door to the Family History Library and is very popular with out-of-town
genealogists. Although one-third of the hotel is being converted to student
housing, the rest of the rooms will remain a hotel.

Bishop H. David Burton also stated that the church remains committed to
building condos or apartments in the area.

You can read the entire article at

http://www.sltrib.com/search/ci_3701021 "

I'm talking with Arturo and at the end of May I am going to delete the
members that never made the transition over to the new group. Right now
that number seems to be right in the area of 33 people who were on the
Yahoo group. Mostly these are people that never or seldom participated.

It's a while before the end of May and here is what I plan to do:

1) email each of these people privately and let them know I'm going to
remove their information from the new site

2) send out one message on the Yahoo Group letting folks know that I'm
going to remove those 33 people from the Nuestros Ranchos Logs.

Now I'm not going to be unsubscribing them as they have previously
indicated that they were interested and many have submitted their
genealogies to the Yahoo group. But I am going to put the weight of
participation on their shoulders. When and if they are ever ready to
make the transition over to the new site they will need to contact one
of the Moderators or just go in and create a new account. As it's set up
now all they needed to do was request a password. It won't be difficult
to get them reinstated, but the responsibility will be theirs to pursue.

joseph