Nuestros Ranchos Site

Arturo,
I got this when an article about me was in somos primos. I think it is
the work of Salvador Cabral Valdes. I have attached it.
George

My Paternal Family Tree is now uploaded and ready for you to view.

It is entitled FROM MOCTEZUMA to ALDERETE and is very extensive. I hope it can be of use to you in your research. Considering our field of research I suspect I'm related to a whole lot of you.
I, of course, hope to expand the tree and verifying it more completely. That may well be my life's work.

I have taken a three pronged approach to my ancestry. Oral tradition told me I was descended from Emperor Moctezuma. The paper trail confirmed family tradition. Now I am working to confirm that ancestry thru DNA testing.

http://www.genealogy.com/users/a/l/d/Ernie-Alderete/

http://www.familytreedna.com/(hcojjivgekjvu155hef2gy55)/public/alderete

http://www.familytreedna.com/public/moctezuma

Thank you for finding that.

I'll bet he's the other General Trini Rodriguez. If he died in 1914 it makes sense that Pancho Villa adopted his son as his own.

I saw the original baptismal announcement at the Villa Museum in Parral. The child's name was Samuel Rodriguez and the godparents were Francisco Villa and Luz Corral.

Although the date of birth works. My great grandpa Jose Rodriguez Montoya was born in Parral in 1867. He had an older brother born in 1859, and a younger brother born in 1871. There could have been an even yonger brother born around 1880.

My grandfather, Nicolas Rodriguez Contreras was born in 1890, son of Grandpa Jose Rodriguez Montoya and Maria Leonor Anizeta Contreras, his first wife.

Nicolas was mayor of Parral and principal of the school during the Pershing Incursion. He rallied his students to stop the gringos. He told them the gringos would not pass Parral, if they did the road would be wide open to Mexico City. My mamacita tells me the American soldiers cried for their mothers when my grandpa's students attacked them with farm implements and sticks and stones.

They rode straight for the border and never violated Mexican soil again.

I got a monthly email from Genealogia del Norte de Mexico, so that site is not quite dead.

I took another look at it, and couldn’t find anything more than a single word, “password,” in English. My Spanish is pretty strong, but I’m sure I miss some subtle nuances, especially in technical passages. So I still hope to find an English-language genealogical website for Northern Mexico.

The webmaster at Genealogia also sent me a personal email saying he has two, or three more generations on my ancestor DIEGO ROMO de VIVAR. But he hasn’t come across with the data yet.

Is there anyone here working on the Mexican Revolution that can answer a question for me? My mother always told me her uncle was General Trinidad Rodriguez. My mother is still with me, but at 87, and with Alzheimer’s she’s not a reliable source anymore.

I remember her taking me as a teenager to meet Pancho Villa’s widow, Luz Corral de Villa, in Chihuahua. I believe I remember General Trinidad Rodriguez’s tomb was right in front of Luz’s house. My mother told me at the time that his headless corpse was interred there.

Last year, my sister and I went to Chihuahua to investigate our maternal heritage. We visited the Pancho Villa Museums in Chihuahua and Hidalgo del Parral. The museum in Parral is housed in my grandmother’s (Maria de las Nieves Porras) birth home. Villa was assassinated right outside her window. His Dodge crashed into a tree right in front of the stately house.

But, I found out there are TWO Generals Trinidad Rodrigues!
A moreno General Trinidad Rodriguez Quintanilla, who is not my relation, and a white General Trinidad Rodriguez, perhaps Rodriguez Montoya. Neither museum could shed any light on my question. They sell pictures of both generals, and say one Trinidad was an intimate friend of Pancho Villa’s, and in fact adopted Villa’s son after Pancho died. I suspect that is the Quintanilla general.

I haven’t found any birth record on either Rodriguez general, nor bio data more than a line, or two. Virtually nothing in encyclopedias. But there is a town in suburban Chihuahua, Chihuahua named after, I believe, my General Trini.

I have birth records on my mother’s grandfather, Jose Rodriguez Montoya, and his three sons. I suspect Trinidad is his fourth son, or brother. Jose struck it rich in the gold rush in the last part of the 19th century in Chihuahua, and had a ranch called Rancho Los Tres Hermanos.

Arturo and group:

In George Ryskamp's book, Tracing Your Hispanic Heritage, Chapter 12 is
dedicated to notarial records.

He says, on p. 437, "The most difficult problem confronting the researcher
using notarial records can be locating them." They can be kept on the
provincial (state) level, the district level, in local archives, and in
private, ecclesiastical or other government archives.

He also says (pp. 443-444), "All of the major historical archives will have
a list of the notaries whose records appear in their collections. In many
archives...these lists will be arranged in two separate sections. The first
will be an alphabetical listing of the notaries by surname, containing all
of the notaries whose protocolos appear in the archives...years such
protocolos cover, and...locality in which the notario...served. The
second...listing will be a geographical listing of all...towns from which
protocolos have been assembled in a particular archives. Under...each town
will appear the name of the notary or notaries from that town whose records
appear in the archives...with an indication as to the years...."

You have an abstract of a document at the Archivo General de la Nacion
regarding two notarios, but it is very possible that their protocolos, if
they survived, were kept on a different level than the Archivo Historico de
Jalisco.

This book is a great resource.

--Sheila P.

arturoramos wrote:

>I just found this going through the Archivo General de la Nacion index.
There was a discussion last week about finding out who were the escribanos
and how they worked. I am pretty sure that each escribano was given a
jurisdiccion where he was responsible, so this confirms that in the early
1700s there was an escribano assigned to Jerez y el Valle de Tlaltenango,
which at that time, I believe was considered a single municipal entity,
split in half by Colotlan which was under a military government under the
direct jurisdiccion of the Viceroy of New Spain, i.e. not Nueva Galicia:
>
>The escribano until 1741 was Manuel Antonio Suarez and after 1741 was
Nicolas Pardo y Figueroa. Neither of these names appears in the Archivo
Historico de Jalisco's list of escribanos.
>
>Clave de Registro 107653
>No. Grupo 45
>Grupo Documental Escribanos
>Fecha ABRIL 18 - NOVIEMBRE 16 DE 1741
>Volumen 12
>Expediente 13
>Fojas 301-312v
>Descripci?n RENUNCIA. AUTOS HECHOS SOBRE LA RENUNCIA DE DON MANUEL ANTONIO
SUAREZ, AL OFICIO DE ESCRIBANO PUBLICO Y DE CABILDO DE LA VILLA DE JEREZ Y
VALLE DE TLALTENANGO EN LA PROVINCIA DE LA NUEVA GALICIA, A FAVOR DE DON
NICOLAS PARDO Y FIGUEROA, EL CUAL SE LE REMATA EN 500 PESOS, CUYA TERCIA
PARTE PAGARA A LA REAL CAJA. VILLA DE JEREZ (Y) VALLE DE TLALTENANGO.
>

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Somos Primos May 2006 Link and Table of Contents
Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 16:49:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: MIMILOZANO@aol.com
To: MIMILOZANO@aol.com

Click here: Somos Primos: Dedicated to Hispanic Heritage and Diversity
Issues
http://www.somosprimos.com/sp2006/spmay06/spmay06.htm

Dear Readers. . .

Surely May 1, 2006 will be considered a pivotal day in the history of
the United States. We can thank the leadership, with great satisfaction
for the very orderly way the marches and boycotts were conducted.

Just received this gripping cartoon by Sergio Hernandez. Hopefully the
energetic, but peaceful voices will change the perspective of many
concerned with the increasing numbers of Hispanic/Latinos in the U.S..

Reference to the historical contributions past as well as present were
frequent in the interviews in both the English and Spanish language on
the radio and TV stations.

For you interest and support is a copy of the Senate Bill pertaining to
the feasibility of a National Museum of the American Latino Community is
the first item under U.S.

Hope you enjoy the Cinco de Mayo photo taken by Somos Primos reader
Robert Gonzalez serving in the Navy in Japan. Please feel invited to
send photos demonstrating that the Hispanic presence is, and was, all
over the world in the past, as in the present.

Warm regards, Mimi

UNITED STATES
National issues
National Latino Museum, introduced in the Senate, March 29, 2006
Cinco de Mayo *Special Edition* April 5, 2006 Census Bureau Facts

Immigration Data: With thanks to John P. Schmal
In 2005 . . 16 Million enter on Visa Waver Program
Leading Countries of Visa Overstays
Leading Countries of Nationality of Alien Removals: 2004
Legal Immigration to US Still Declining: 2003
Mexican Immigration (1936-2003)
June 30, 1921: Mexican Agricultural Laborers
Urban Institute Immigration Policy
U.S. urged to apologize for 1930s deportations
Documentary: Betrayal & Violations: Mexican Repatriation of the 1930's
California and the American Dream, PBS 4-part documentary series

Education
Wrangling over Mexican textbooks
The Value Question in the Education of Latinos

Culture
Preparing to Celebrate Hispanic Heritage Month 2006
"Hispanic Americans: Our Rich Culture Contributing to America's Future."
Latintronica: Mix and match of beats
Where does Mole come from?
Tortillas find a growing place at the table
How To Turn 15: "Quince Girl"and "Celebrate".

Business
Marketing to U.s. Hispanics & Latin America
Gloria Molina: A Day in the Life of the Woman of the Year
4th Annual Hispanic Business: Woman of the Year Awards, Caesars
Banks Accommodating Hispanics
Making American Money at Home in Mexico
N.Y. Leads Boom in Hispanic Business
Study Shows Increase in Hispanic Entrepreneurship

ANTI-SPANISH LEGENDS
The Anti-Spanish Black Legend by Luis Brandtner
Teachers Exploring Adverse Effects of California's Missions on Indians
Students at Locke High School Working Together to Learn Their History
Spanish Impact on Forging of The US. What History Failed to Tell Us

MILITARY AND LAW ENFORCEMENT HEROES
Camp Pendleton Marine, Cpl. Carlos Gomez-Perez receives Silver Star
Latin Death Rate in Viet War Cited
Jack Gomez, Orange County's first Hispanic mayor, Placentia Veteran
Army Reserve Sgt. Regina Reali, 25, Fresno; Killed in Explosion in Iraq
Sgt. Marcelino Ronald Corniel Wedding Plans Replaced by Funeral
Robert M. Martinez Sr. Austin's most decorated Police Officer
A Tale of Six Boys

SPANISH SONS OF THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION
Texas Connection to the American Revolution, TCARA
Mexicans, Indians and the Sons of the American Revolution by Paul Trejo
Patriot Ancestors Form Cuba (Part 5, continued, N-R) by Granville Hough
What became of the Gálvez Family?

Have a look in the files area under members genealogies for the new
addition of Ulla-Britt Morris' genealogy file
(http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/14470). It covers this area of
research:

Surnames Researching: Campos, Luna, Llamas, Miramontes, Munos, Mota, Torres

Areas Researching: Monte Escobedo, Fresnillo, Momax, Cuculiten, Puesto
de San Buenaventura, Tlaltenango, Achimeque, Achimec, Tepetongo,
Zacatecas; Huejucar, Colotlan, Jalisco

Is there an English language website for those of us interested in the genealogy of Northern Mexico?
I checked out Genealogica de Norte Mexico, but it is exclusively in Spanish.

My research takes me from Aguascalientes up into Cuatrocienegas/Monclova(colonial capital of Nuevo Santander)/Rio Nuevo/La Madrid/Nadadores in Coahuila de Zaragoza.

As well as to Hidalgo del Parral (San Jose del Parral in the colonial era, the colonial capital of that state) and Santa Barbara, Chihuahua.

For those of you interested in Northern Mexico, or Tortilla de Harina country as we fondly call it, I just read a wonderful book:

LOS PAISANOS.

About the early settledment of Nueva Biscaya/Chihuahua/Durango/Sonora/Sinaloa, Nuevo Leon, New Mexico, what became Arizona,Texas and the Calfironias.

I had no idea Tlaxcallans settled in Coahuila in the post conqust era with royal approval and support.

Also, that there were black slaves in Parral. Chihuahua is so white today, its hard to believe that substantial African blood was absorbed into the mainstream population.

Those of you facing an imminent closure of your local Family HIstory Center might consider petitioning Salt Lake City for an extension.

I don't remember who said they live on an island, but you could address that issue in a letter to Salt Lake.
Make them aware of the hardship it would be for you if they closed your FHC with such short notice, how your particular FHC is serving a vital sevice to the Hispanic community, and the community overall.

You might get an extra month, maybe 90 days.

I'm trying to get permission from "Here On Earth" to let the Nuestra
Familia Unida podcast link to this presentation. . .very very interesting:

http://wpr.org/HereOnEarth/archive_050501j.cfm

Medieval Spain's Golden Age of Enlightenment
May 1, 2005 Sunday 2PM CT ( listen)
Between 711 and 1492, Christians, Jews, and Muslims lived side by side
in medieval Spain and forged a golden age for each faith, making Spain
the continent's commercial and cultural center while Europeans elsewhere
were mired in the Dark Age. This hour on Here on Earth, Jean Feraca and
her guest talk about the wisdom, hope, and lessons that the medieval
Spain offers to our modern age troubled by religious strife and division.

Guest

* Chris Lowney, author of "A Vanished World: Medieval Spain's Golden
Age of Enlightenment"

Related Links

* Chris Lowney
* Book: A Vanished World: Medieval Spain's Golden Age of Enlightenment

Soundbites and Music Used in the Program

* Strunz & Farah - "Laleh" - From the album Stringweave - Selva Records
* Yair Dalal & The ALOL Ensemble - "Adon Haslichot" - From the album
Silan - Amiata Records
* Yair Dalal & The ALOL Ensemble - "Acco Malca" - From the album
Silan - Amiata Records
* Strunz & Farah - "Shamsa" - From the album Stringweave - Selva Records

I was quite surprised to find that a Google search could turn up so much information on an ancestor.

Just for the hell of it I entered DIEGO ROMO DE VIVAR. I knew he was born in Spain in 1608, married Maria Rnagel who was also born somewhere in Spain in 1612, and that they started a large family in Aguascalientes, New Spain.

The Google search revealed that he created the town of Rincon de Romos in 1658 when he bought a hacienda owned by Pedro Rincon de Ortega that had long been named “Chora.” I thought Rincon de Romos meant the Corner of the Romos, but it actually is a combination of the former owner’s surname, Rincon, with that of the purchaser, Romo.

Rincon de Romos is 41 kilometers north of the City of Aguascalientes, in the state of Aguascalientes.
Rincon de Romos is a handsome town, from the pictures I’ve seen online it looks like a little chunk of Spain.

Has anyone been there? I will have to visit. I’ll bet there’s even a portrait of my ancestor in city hall.

I haven't been able to find anything before Diego Romo de Vivar and Maria Rangel, no parents, city or province of birth. There is a record of their crossing to the New World together.

Am I missing a source for their lineage in Spain?

I found this article today regarding the hotel situation in SLC. Note in
paragraph 4 that they mention the Plaza Hotel which is now owned by the LDS
Church. It was previously known as the "Best Western Plaza at Temple
Square" and is right next door to the library.

Josie

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"Genealogists traveling to the Family History Library in Salt Lake City will
now have one less hotel to choose from. The lowest-priced hotel in the area,
the Travelodge Salt Lake City Temple Square, apparently will close.

An article in a recent issue of the Salt Lake Tribune describes recent
statements by LDS Church Presiding Bishop H. David Burton concerning the
Church's efforts at changing the area around the Church's headquarters.

The article states that "the church may add more student housing at a motel
it owns west of its Conference Center." This apparently is a reference to
the Travelodge Salt Lake City Temple Square at 144 West North Temple St.
That hotel has been well-known amongst genealogists as being the
lowest-priced hotel in the area, although readers of this newsletter gave it
a "thumbs down" in a recent survey. See my article on "Where to Stay in Salt
Lake City" at

http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2005/10/where_to_stay_i…

An announcement some months ago stated that the LDS Business College will
relocate to the church-owned Triad Center in September with up to 1,500
students. (See

http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2006/01/changes_in_the_…
for details.) Female students will be housed in one-third of the church's
Plaza Hotel at Temple Square, 122 W. South Temple. That location is next
door to the Family History Library and is very popular with out-of-town
genealogists. Although one-third of the hotel is being converted to student
housing, the rest of the rooms will remain a hotel.

Bishop H. David Burton also stated that the church remains committed to
building condos or apartments in the area.

You can read the entire article at

http://www.sltrib.com/search/ci_3701021 "

I'm talking with Arturo and at the end of May I am going to delete the
members that never made the transition over to the new group. Right now
that number seems to be right in the area of 33 people who were on the
Yahoo group. Mostly these are people that never or seldom participated.

It's a while before the end of May and here is what I plan to do:

1) email each of these people privately and let them know I'm going to
remove their information from the new site

2) send out one message on the Yahoo Group letting folks know that I'm
going to remove those 33 people from the Nuestros Ranchos Logs.

Now I'm not going to be unsubscribing them as they have previously
indicated that they were interested and many have submitted their
genealogies to the Yahoo group. But I am going to put the weight of
participation on their shoulders. When and if they are ever ready to
make the transition over to the new site they will need to contact one
of the Moderators or just go in and create a new account. As it's set up
now all they needed to do was request a password. It won't be difficult
to get them reinstated, but the responsibility will be theirs to pursue.

joseph

Alicia,

I too have recently traced some of my husband's ancestors (some Esparzas too) to Rincon de Romos:

Maria Francisca Reyes Roman, baptized 06 APR 1782, San Jose de Gracia, Rincon de Romos
Maria Maxima Duron Reyes, baptized 1792 Puerto Del Marquez, Aguascalientes
Maria Olaya Duron Reyes, baptized 1787 Pabellon, Rincon de Romos
Maria Vicenta Duron Reyes, baptized 13 APR 1785 San Jose De Gracia, Rincon de Romos
Petra Paula Reyes Roman, baptized 1784, San Jose de Gracia, Rincon de Romos
Maria Josepha Duron Reyes, baptized 04 MAY 1775, San Jose de Gracia, Rincon de Romos
Felis Antonio Duron Esparsa, baptized 27 FEB 1748, El Sagrario, Aguascalientes
Joseph Jasinto Duron Esparsa, baptized 25 SEP 1746, El Sagrario, Aguascalientes
Augustina Duron Abalos, baptized 25 NOV 1715, El Sagrario, Aguascalientes
Patricio Martin/Maria Maxima Duron Reyes, married 12 FEB 1814, Pabellon, Rincon de Romos
Felis Duron/Maria Josepha Reyes Roman, married 17 JAN 1773, San Jose de Gracia, Rincon de Romos
Franco. Duron/Maria Secilia Esparza, married 04 OCT 1745, El Sagrario, Aguascalientes

I had ordered the films for Aguascalientes (for $5.95 each) and was waiting for them when they told me that my FHC here in town would be closing up at the end of this month, and orders cancelled and films being held on loan will have to be sent back. I checked out another FHC in a nearby town which will charge me $6.00 each and told me they don't have room to keep films longer than four weeks. I too was anxious to start my research in Aguascalientes, but I will have to wait. There is also now the matter of the cost of gas to drive out of town.

I think I have seen that Aguascalientes website that Ernie Alderete (NathanJones) was talking about. There is also another that has pictures of the Colonial buildings including Pabellon

See: http://www.aguascalientes.gob.mx/Estado/Rincon.aspx

http://www.aguascalientes.gob.mx/idiomas/ingles/history/exhaciendas/hac…

When I went with my parents to Mexico in the early 1960s, I remember passing through Aquascalientes on the way to Jerez, and I remember thinking it was a pretty town with several colonial buildings.

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---

There are a number of books written by a local historian in Tlaltanango,
Zacatecas by the name of Bernardo Carlos Casas:

Tlaltenango : una ciudad amurallada (1986)

Semblanza historica de la parroquia de Tlaltenango : 1544-1991 (1991)

Historia de Colotlán (1991)

Has anyone ever seen or read these books? Does anyone know of any other
microhistories of the towns in the “three-fingers” region of Jalisco or
of Southern Zacatecas?

Is anyone researching ancestry in Zapotlan el Grande (near Ciudad Guzman)? If so, please contact me directly. I made contact with someone who works for the Municipio who is willing to help us with our research. Please be very specific with your requests.

Maria

I just found this going through the Archivo General de la Nacion index. There was a discussion last week about finding out who were the escribanos and how they worked. I am pretty sure that each escribano was given a jurisdiccion where he was responsible, so this confirms that in the early 1700s there was an escribano assigned to Jerez y el Valle de Tlaltenango, which at that time, I believe was considered a single municipal entity, split in half by Colotlan which was under a military government under the direct jurisdiccion of the Viceroy of New Spain, i.e. not Nueva Galicia:

The escribano until 1741 was Manuel Antonio Suarez and after 1741 was Nicolas Pardo y Figueroa. Neither of these names appears in the Archivo Historico de Jalisco's list of escribanos.

Clave de Registro 107653
No. Grupo 45
Grupo Documental Escribanos
Fecha ABRIL 18 - NOVIEMBRE 16 DE 1741
Volumen 12
Expediente 13
Fojas 301-312v
Descripción RENUNCIA. AUTOS HECHOS SOBRE LA RENUNCIA DE DON MANUEL ANTONIO SUAREZ, AL OFICIO DE ESCRIBANO PUBLICO Y DE CABILDO DE LA VILLA DE JEREZ Y VALLE DE TLALTENANGO EN LA PROVINCIA DE LA NUEVA GALICIA, A FAVOR DE DON NICOLAS PARDO Y FIGUEROA, EL CUAL SE LE REMATA EN 500 PESOS, CUYA TERCIA PARTE PAGARA A LA REAL CAJA. VILLA DE JEREZ (Y) VALLE DE TLALTENANGO.

I was absent for the last month due to personal issues, but after a while i'back!

Last week I'd gone to the Family History Center here in Montpellier but unfortunately it isn't ready yet, they are trying to install all the programs and told me to come back in two or three more months, this is so sad because now I have time and I cannot search anything :(

In the other hand I have a question, the woman there told me that I have to request the film and it would take 1 month or so in arrive to France, then I have 3 months for consulting it, of course only the days they can (3 days a week), perhaps I got something wrong, but I tought that I'd have the film here for longer...how does it work?

Thank you and greetings from France!!

Monica

I was confused. I thought that Family History Archive search engine was
the Digitizing projects first efforts. The reply from that project below
seems to set the record straight:

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: Family History Archive/NFU Podcast
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:46:39 -0600
From: Cali O'Connell
To: Joseph Puentes

Joseph:

There are two separate projects. The Family History Archive (hosted
through the Lee Library website) is an archive of digitized family
histories. We are cooperating with the Family History Library in Salt
Lake City and most of the books you see there are actually from their
collection. But the scope of this project is intended to include only
family histories.

It sounds like the project you are talking about is the one sponsored by
the Family History Library in Salt Lake City which will include
digitizing of lots of microfilm, etc. You can probably find more
details on www.lds.org.

Sorry for the confusion!

Cali O'Connell

Library Donor Relations

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From: Joseph Puentes [mailto:makas@nc.rr.com]
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 2:01 PM
To: Cali O'Connell
Subject: Family History Archive/NFU Podcast

I have a question about the Family History Archive. Is this the search
engine for the "early" results of your Mammoth Digitizing effort for the
Family History Library? I understood that it will take 6 years to
complete, excluding new material that will come in during that time. Am
I correct or is this a totally different project?

I am hoping that you will be including much more material on Mexico
soon. I was hoping for the archives to hold material on the church
records for the states of Jalisco, Zacatecas, Aguascalientes, and
Chihuahua. Is there any idea at all when they will start digitizing the
Mexico Church films?

thanks,

Joseph Puentes
makas@nc.rr.com
http://nuestrosranchos.org
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com

ps: would you be interested in being interviewed on this topic for my
podcast on Latin American History and Genealogy?
(http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com)

Here are some sites of possible general interest:
http://www.latino.si.edu
(not all information is current)
http://www.folkways.si.edu/projects_initiatives/latino_english/home.html
http://www.folklife.si.edu/index.html
(of interest if you plan to be in Washington, DC June 30-July4, and July 7-11; updated details to be posted in May)
www.mfacmchicago.org (read about exhibit of African presence in Mexico from Yango to present)

Have a good week.
Natalie in VA

I'm trying to get the hang of Using WildCards in doing searches on
www.familysearch.org

I'm very thankful to Victor Villarreal for the great tutorial on
WildCards to be found in the "Files" under "Reference Material" under
"Searching the IGI"

. . .but there is one thing I'm just not getting, which probably means
I'm missing some main point in this WildCard search scenario.

when I do a parent search for my GGG grandparents I put in the father's
first name: "Cipriano" and then his last name "Puente" then under the
mother I put in only the first name "Eduarda" and I get these all these
relatives:

You searched for:
Father: Cipriano Puente, Mother: Eduarda

1. JOSE MARIA PUENTE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 03 NOV 1847 Santa Maria De Los Angeles, Jalisco,
Mexico
2. GENARA DE LA TRINIDAD PUENTE TORRES - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 20 JUL 1817 Santa Maria De Los Angeles,
Jalisco, Mexico
3. MARIA DEL REFUGIA PUENTE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Marriage: 26 FEB 1835 Santa Maria De Los Angeles,
Jalisco, Mexico
4. CECILIO PUENTE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 17 MAY 1843 Santa Maria De Los Angeles, Jalisco,
Mexico

Okay now I decided to substitute a WildCard for the father's first name
"Cipriano" and I entered this WildCard % instead. I was expecting to
get the above results AND some others or at the very least just the
above results repeated, but instead i got:

You searched for:
Father: % Puente, Mother: Eduarda
International Genealogical Index / Mexico (No Matches)

I would like to understand what I'm missing. Shouldn't this WildCard
search have returned at least the same results as above with maybe a
"few" more additions?

thanks,

joseph

I was told this morning by a Mormon Elder that the digitizing of the films in the Salt Lake City Repository is proceeding well. A process begun two years ago.

He told me that the first digitized films will be online shortly, and that they will be closing many Family History Centers, consolidating them since everything will be online soon. The remaining consolidated FHC's will be mostly for people without Internet access.

I was informed that the second Beta testing of the new software to view the films is nearing a successful conclusion.

I was told volunteers are needed who read Spanish to help index the digitized films. If you volunteer you can work from your home.

He said it took twenty years to index the 1880 census, so the indexing of the huge LDS film collection will take longer than the actual digital filiming.

I could not pin him down on how soon is soon, but I would not be surprised to see original documents online later this year.

This will of course, be an incredible leap forward for our purposes, and genealogy in general.

See the following link for sources to Moctezuma's descendants.

Alicia Carrillo,
San Jose, Ca

http://groups.google.com.mx/group/Genealogia-Mexico/msg/62b3788a4ebcaebb

Is there a possibility of adding a live "chat" service to exchange thoughts among the members? Francisco

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Who in CA has access to WorldCat? Please look up this ISBN number
(below) and send me the list of California Libraries that carry the
book. My access to WorldCat for some reason only gives a partial list of
the libraries that carry books and then it only gives the locations here
in NC and moves out. Most times when a book is located in several
hundred libraries i only get East Coast results.

if so can you do a search of this ISBN: 0292706286 for this book:

Moctezuma's Children-Aztec Royalty Under Spanish Rule, 1520-1700.
Author Donald E. Chipman ISBN 0-292-70628-6
Donald E. Chipman is Professor Emeritus of History at the University of
North texas in Denton.

I'm interested in what CA libraries carry it

joseph