Migrants Reshape Villages with ideas del Norte

This happens to be my native town in Zacatecas and yes you too can belong to one of these clubs. Great place to get hometown stories, meet family and yes maybe even make a contribution.

Alicia Avelar de Carrillo
San Jose, Ca

Migrants Reshape Villages With Ideas del Norte
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By Sam Enriquez
Times Staff Writer

April 16 2006

Workers in the United States helped pay for the grand boulevard leading
into town, a four-lane thoroughfare whose center divider is planted
with palm trees and roses. A large sign declares in Spanish: Migrants,
this is your home.

The complete article can be viewed at:
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/remit/la-fg-straddle16apr…

Visit latimes.com at http://www.latimes.com

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/remit/la-fg-straddle16apr…

Book Search: Sotelo

I'm trying to find out who knows anything about this book. Please
contact me directly: makas@nc.rr.com

"Sotelo, Fundador del Apellido en Nueva España"

This book is supposed to be used as a source by Salvador Cabral Valdez.
I'm wondering if anyone on the list is in contact with him? If so I
would like to find the name of the author and double check on the
correctness of the title. It seems I can't find it anywhere on WorldCat
or Amazon.com and that is very unusual.

joseph

[Fwd: FW: Pilgrimage and Meeting of Los Bexarenos]

>From: "larry kirkpatrick"
>To: elindio2@hotmail.com
>Subject: FW: Pilgrimage
>Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 18:12:37 -0500
>
>Notice of Regular Meeting of Los Bexarenos
>
>The next meeting of Los Bexarenos Genealogical Society will be on Saturday,
>May 6, 2006 at the Central Library at 600 Soledad in San Antonio. The
>meeting will begin at 9:30am in the first floor auditorium. Refreshments
>will be served. Admission is free and everyone is invited.
>
> The speaker will be Dr. Alonso M. Perales, an educational
>support
> and research consultant. He spoke to the group about a
>year
> and half ago on a genealogical family. His subject will
>be on
> Native Americans of South Texas. Dr. Perales will
>present his
> paper on The Indigenous Cultures of South Texas and
>Northern
> Mexico (A Review of the Literature). The paper was
>delivered
> before the Alliance for the Advancement of Indigenous
>Cultures
> of Corpus Christi.
>
> A Fulbright Scholar in Applied Linguistics, Dr. Perales
>was
> assigned to the Universidad Central in Quito, Ecuador and
>to
> Universidad de Guayaquil, Ecuador.
>
>******************************************************************
>If you would rather not receive these notices from Los Bexarenos, please
>send a message to elindio2@hotmail.com
>******************************************************************
>
>
>
>>From: "robert and sylvia garcia"
>>To: "'Larry & Yolanda Kirkpatrick'"
>>Subject: Pilgrimage
>>Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:47:36 -0500
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Subject: Laying of Wreath in front of Alamo
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Larry,
>>
>>
>>
>>At the April 1 monthly meeting of the Los Bexarenos Genealogy Society,
>>the
>>President of the Society encouraged the membership to participate in the
>>annual pilgrimage to the Alamo scheduled for April 24, 2006. He stated
>>that
>>we should make "a statement" by our participation in this event.
>>
>>
>>
>>Please forward the attachment to our membership as a reminder of the date
>>and time of the pilgrimage.
>>
>>
>>
>>Let's all attend...we need to participate and be a part of this symbolic
>>ceremony.
>>
>>
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>

Nucmc: Manuscript Search Lib Congress

http://www.loc.gov/coll/nucmc/

Have a look at this search engine for one of a kind Manuscripts. Also
look at a search database called Archives USA.

Just as an example i did the OCLC simple search and got the following
entrie amoug many many for the words: "Zacatecas" and "Jalisco."

don't know where this one is but looks very very interesting:

Author: Magallanes, José Yrineo.
Title: Family papers, 1776-1901.
Description: 57 folders.
Notes: Papers of José Yrineo Magallanes and his sons,
Mariano, Francisco and Juan, relating to the sale,
inheritance, or transfer of lands and estates mainly in
Tlaltenango and Jérez, province of Zacatecas, Mexico.
In Spanish.
Subjects: Land tenure -- Mexico -- Zacutecas (Province)
Control No.: ocm25865776

and

Author: Sánchez, Prisciliano, 1783-1826.
Title: Prisciliano Sánchez collection, 1822-1851 (bulk
1825-1827).
Description: 330 leaves.
Found In: Genaro García Collection.
Notes: Forms part of: Genaro García Collection.
Lawyer, businessman, political leader, legislator
and governor. Born 1783 in Ahuacatlán, Nueva Galicia
(present state of Nayarit), died 1826 in Guadalajara,
Jalisco, Mexico. Prisciliano Sánchez received a law degree
in 1810. As a businessman in Compostela, he gained popularity
as a local political leader. In 1822 he was elected deputy to
the first national congress, in 1823 to the first constituent
congress, and in 1824 to the first legislature of the state
of Jalisco. In 1825 Sánchez became the first constitutional
governor of Jalisco. In 1826, while still governor, Sánchez
died of an illness resulting from an injury to his hand.
Printed material, correspondence, financial and
legal documents, reports, notes, and assorted materials
relating to Prisciliano Sánchez' political career, his
death, and his last will and testament. García manuscripts
G422 and G422-1 through G422-6 consist of materials
concerning Sánchez' career in government, including
broadsides, nine booklets and pamphlets, proclamations, notes
about legislative sessions and other matters, a letter book,
and a communication to the provincial military concerning
law, politics, and government in the Mexican state of Jalisco
from 1822 to 1826. G422-7 contains reports on an Indian
rebellion in 1825. G426 comprises Sanchez' will, an inventory
of his belongings, financial documents pertaining to the
disposal of his possessions and payment of expenses, decrees
relating to the mourning of his death, funeral prayers and
eulogies, official letters of condolence, and other official
and legal documents pertaining to his death and will.
García, Genaro, Heirs of; purchase; 1921.
Castañeda, Carlos E. and Jack Autrey Dabbs,
eds., Guide to the Latin American manuscripts in the
University of Texas Library. Cambridge, Mass., Harvard
University Press, 1939.
Also available on microfilm, Benson Latin
American Collection.
Prisciliano Sánchez Collection, 1822-1851,
Benson Latin American Collection, General Libraries,
University of Texas at Austin.
Subjects: Sánchez, Prisciliano, 1783-1826 -- Archives.
Jalisco (Mexico : State) -- History --
1821-1861.
Jalisco (Mexico : State) -- Politics and
government -- 1821-1861.
Other authors: García, Genaro, 1867-1920, collector.
Control No.: ocm31795819

and

Good Cause Book Sale: Microfilming Project

here is a message from Susanna that she wanted me to approve first. I
wholeheartedly support this kind of fund raising:

Primo:

I just talked on the phone with Samuel Sanchez Garcia. He told me that his
group (Sociedad Genealogica del Norte de Mexico) is trying to collect funds
for a microfilming project for the North of Mexico. For that reason, they
reached an agreement with PORRUA EDITORES to sell previously out-of-print
books, or limited edition history books on their website. The books appear
in their website:
http://www.genealogia.org.mx/home/default.asp

All of them are very interesting for a genealogist. They are history
books for all Mexico. The prices are 20 dollars each book. They are
selling several items on their website, but he told me that if you really
want to help to buy books because a 100% of the money collected from the
sale of these history books goes to the microfilming project. They will
let us know when their goal has been met. Some of the books are for
example:

1. Historia de las divisiones territoriales de Mexico
2. Historia de los Indios de la Nueva Espana
3. Historia Antigua de Mexico

Their website again is:
http://www.genealogia.org.mx/home/default.asp

He told me that they were having some technical problems with some of the
links but by tomorrow everyone can buy books. You can look at the catalog
today.

I thought you were the ideal person to formally invite all the members of
our group to look at their website. If these books are of interest then a
double benefit of historical information and making more information
available in the future is served.

Thank-you

Tu prima Susana Leniski

New boyon the block. Nuevo chavo en este sitio.

I wanted to say hello to all my fellow geneaologists on this fine website.

My name is Ernie Alderete and I live in Monterey Park in suburban Los Angeles, California.

My GEDCOM will be uploaded shortly. I am working to corroborate it as far as possible, and to expand my knowledge of my ancestry and ancestors.

I have already learned many new things in just half an hour on this site. That I have Basque ancestry, for instance, through my ancestor Lope Ruiz de Esparza in Aguascalientes, Mexico and his family in Pamplona, Navarra.

I am equally proud of my Spanish and Mexica heritage.

My late father always told me we were descended from Emperor Moctezuma himself. I remember laughing at my father. I thought it was a fairytale. I wish he was alive today so I could apologize to him and share with him the incredible discoveries I've made over the last year, or two.

When my genealogical backtracking lead me to PETRONILA MOCTEZUMA who was born in 1550 in Aguascalientes I just about fell out of my chair. My father was right!

I have started a Moctezuma DNA Project to try and verify all of our Montezuma background genetically, as well as by the paper trail.

I also have an Alderete DNA Project with similar goals. To corroborate and expand my research in that field.

I am the administartor of the Alderete and Moctezuma surname lists on RootsWeb.

I look forward to hearing from many of you, and meeting someday.

I arrive in Chihuahua, Chihuahua in October to work on my family tree and collect DNA samples as well as visit family and friends.

I hope to visit Aguascalientes in person sometime after that.

Hablo castellano, pero mi primera lengua es ingles.

http://www.familytreedna.com/public/moctezuma

http://www.familytreedna.com/(hcojjivgekjvu155hef2gy55)/public/alderete

Las Primeras mujeres que pasaron a Nueva España

I came across this link that lists the first Spanish women to come to Mexico (Nueva España) during the first quarter of the XVI century. It was written by Juan Francisco Maura, Associate Professor in Spanish at the University of Vermont.

http://parnaseo.uv.es/Editorial/Maura/ConclusionYapendices.pdf

I wasn't able to add it to the links section.

Maria

SCGS Genealogical Jamboree, May 6 2006

I received this from one of the groups I subscribe to. I thought it might
be of interest to those Ranchos members who reside in California.......

Josie

From: Donie Nelson
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 15:59:32 -0700

On Saturday, May 6, 2006 at 2pm at the SCGS Genealogical Jamboree in
Burbank, CA at the Burbank Airport Hilton Hotel Donie Nelson will be making
the following presentation:

Nuestras Raices (Our Roots): Finding Your Ancestors in the Hispanic
Southwest

If you have Hispanic ancestry and believe your roots are buried in the
American Southwest, this presentation offers your specific trailmarkers,
maps, and waystations to ease your journey. Whether you are a tenderfoot or
already blazing trails, her presentation offers you helpful tools for
digging up your family¹s past or discovering new paths to reach your
destination.

Donnie has been compiling information for Hispanic genealogists for years,
but Ms nelson knows there is much more out there. In order to provide as
much information as possible, she need your assistance. If you have any
information you can send me via email or fax or snail mail on the following
topics, please do
so:

Websites or pages

Historical groups

Genealogical societies

Books

Periodicals

Libraries

Special collections

Do not assume that she already know about any of this material. She would
rather have duplicates than omit a valuable reference.
Everyone who
makes a
contribution will be sent a copy of the full list of Resources that will be
a handout during her presentation.

She look forward to your assistance,

Donie A. Nelson
10736 Jefferson Blvd., #690
Culver City, CA 90230-4969
310/839-3140
310/839-3985 (fax)

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History of Hacienda Santiago de El Cuidado (Tepetongo, Zacatecas)

I have just posted in the files section a document by Leonardo de la Torre Berumen that is basically a compilation of the microhistory (people and events) surrounding the foundation of the Hacienda de El Cuidado in what came to be Tepetongo, Zacatecas.

It includes a name index of early settlers of the area from Jerez parrish registers.

Copying Equipment

Joseph:

The equipemt being used at the Murrieta, Ca. Family History Center is:
Canon Microfilm Scanner 300, coupled to an HP compaq computer with an HP Laser Jet 1320 Printer.
Almost any PC can be used, including laptops. A memmory stick or a CD can be used to take the records home and viewing them at your leisure on your own PC.

I was told that the same equipment is available at quite a few of the FHC's

John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA.

FW: Salt Lake Plaza Hotel At Temple Square

I received this today from the director of sales and marketing at the Plaza
Best Western in SLC. We have been allowed ONLY 6 rooms, Mickey and I will
be sharing a room so that leaves 5 rooms for the Ranchos members. Keep in
mind that I previously sent you info on the Howard Johnson Express Inn where
the rates are a lot better. The Plaza Hotel is next door to the FHC Library
so we are paying for the convenience.

Please let me know if anyone is interested in staying at the Plaza Hotel.
Mr. Williams has attached a contract as well as a "free" offer of a
seminar.......for a minimum of 10 persons attending....

Thanks!

Josie

_____

From: Rich Williams [mailto:sales@plaza-hotel.com]
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 11:39 AM
To: josiett3@satx.rr.com
Subject: Salt Lake Plaza Hotel At Temple Square

Dear Josie,

I hope you are doing well.
I have attached for your review your contract for October,
If you have any questions feel free to call me.

Best Regards,

Richard Williams
Director of Sales & Marketing

Salt Lake Plaza Hotel At Temple Square
122 West South Temple
Salt Lake City, UT 84101

Direct: 801-606-2410
Toll Free: 800-366-3684 ext. 3007
Fax: 801-322-5057
e-mail: sales@plaza-hotel.com
www.plaza-hotel.com

Notario Films Project

Dear Nuestros Ranchos researchers,

I just went to the Guadalajara section of the FHL catalog and counted
how many films are in the Notario Section ( México, Jalisco, Guadalajara
- Notarial records
)
There are 1,241 films. As far as I know they are just listed by date and
some give the name of Notario and no information is given as to what
locations they cover. I've understand that these films are a wealth of
information for us, but almost impossible to access since we'd have to
be ordering films and guessing as to which might cover our specific area
or research.

1) Does anyone know if there is a better catalog description for these
films anywhere?

2) Look at the example given below. See the notario named: José María
Anguiano Does anyone know how to research this specific notario? See if
we knew that he only covered Lagos de Moreno and San Juan de los Lagos
then any films by him should identified to those places.

3) I'm thinking of making some of these films into a project. Imagine if
everyone in the group ordered one film. And if all they did was scroll
from beginning to end giving the Area the film covered. Yes I think it
would be nicer if they could pull out the main surname of the person the
record was about, but at least the area being covered. If we got 62
volunteers to do one film each then that would be a whopping 5% of the
films in this Notario Collection. What if a few of us dug into this and
did 3 per year for the next 10 years and we got a few people both inside
and outside the group rolling on this, hey maybe we could have 10-20% of
these films described a little better within our lifetimes so future
generations would be more likely to look at them. Just imagine the 5th
generation of the Nuestros Ranchos group members thinking way way back
to the group as we know it now and thanking us for being willing to
start a work that we might not be able to benefit from. What do you guys
think? I for sure don't want to start something that someone else has
already done, but how do we find if this information is already
available? And if it is already available how do we get the FHL to
associate this info with these specific films?

Joseph Puentes
http://nuestrosranchos.org
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Title
Registros notariales, 1892-1900

Authors
Guadalajara (Jalisco). Notaría (Main Author)

Notes
Microfilm de manuscritos en el Archivo de Instrumentos Públicos en
Guadalajara.
El escribano de estos protocolos es José María Anguiano.

Subjects
México, Jalisco, Guadalajara - Notarial records

Format
Manuscript (On Film)

Language
Spanish

Publication
Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmado por la Sociedad Genealógica de Utah, 1959

Physical
2 rollos de microfilm ; 35 mm.

Film Notes
Note - Location [Film]
Protocolos 1892-1893,1896 - VAULT INTL Film [ 269810 Items 3-6 ]
Protocolos 1892-1900 (documentos) - VAULT INTL Film [ 269756 ]

© 2002 Intellectual Reserve, Inc. All rights reserved.

Lost Pictures/Albums???

if you go to the Albums and your Album is suddenly missing well its not.
I've created general Albums (Root Albums). Now when you see a catagory
of what your pictures will fit under you click on the Root Album and
then click on "Add an Album" under that root album and then add your
pictures to the Album (sub-album) you are creating under that Main Root
Album. Have a look as I hope it will kind of be self explanatory.

thanks,

joseph

Creating an album

Linda,

I did the same thing earlier. The problem is that you first have to
open up an existing album. Then you'll get the option to "Add an
album". You'll see a drop down control below, select the Root folder
and then you can add an album of your own.

Maria

> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 16:19:25 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Erlinda Castanon-Long
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] creating an album.. HELP!
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Message-ID: <20060415231925.86730.qmail@web31406.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> I thought I had created an album entitled 'Revolution in Zacatecas, Zacatecas 1913" but all I did was submit 4 photo's that are not in an album... help!!!
> Can someone send me the correct instructions since left to my own devices I'm dangerous...
>
> Linda in Everett...
>

Tlaltenango Marriages in GEDCOM Database

I have begun transcribing all of the paleography I have been doing on
the Tlaltenango marriages film into the GEDCOM database. I have also
been supplementing it from the IGI entries from the contemporary
baptisms film and some information I have from the Jerez parrish
registers also from the same time. It appears that many of these
families would marry back and forth between the two towns. as would be
expected given that they are so close. There are actually a few
Colotlan marriages that I have run across as well, where the local
priest in Tlaltenango would record a marriage that took place in
Colotlan when one of the spouses was from his jurisdiction.

Click on GEDCOM from the top menu to view. You can either search the
database or list by surname. If anybody is interested in helping me get
through the film, please let me know.

INEGI digital map

The Mexican government has an agency called the Instituto Nacional de
Estadistica, Geografia e Informatica (INEGI). They have incredibly
valuable inofmration on the Mexican census, central bank statistics and
most importantly geography.

I have places a link in the Digital Maps section of the links to the
site. The site is interactive so you can add or subtract layers, zoom
in or out, etc.

Basically you can make custom maps, showing roads, relief, bodies of
water, climate, etc. It is pretty cool:

http://galileo.inegi.gob.mx/website/mexico/default.htm?sistema=1&c=423&s
=geo&md=d

References: A Must!

Imagine one day you DIE and five generations pass before a researcher
comes along in your family and finds a copy of your work. Think how
elated this person is to realize that you have dug so deeply into your
roots and have given her/him such a good foundation to continue the
work. BUT, BUT, BUT then imagine how that researcher would feel if while
searching through your work they found absolutely no references to where
you found your work. No film numbers, no dates, no nothing.

I would like to say that everyone in this group needs to take a serious
look at their work and ask the question, "If I die right now will
someone be able to understand where I found what I've found and be able
to carry on the work?"

It makes no sense to keep going with your work if you are not putting
references together with your findings.

Now I'm not saying I'm perfect but with each record I find this is the
information I include and I would suggest you do at least the same:

1) Film Number
2) Volume Number
3) Page Number (where available)
4) Records Number (where available)
5) Date of Record

here is what it looks like:

AntonioDeNicolasLopezAlbinaPerez1158200v20p256_1355.JPG

something to think about,

joseph

ps: Also with Oral History sometimes we just collect the names of
relatives. It would be great to list as a reference: 1) the name of the
relative that gave you the information 2) the date of the interview

pps: What other references do you all add to your records? I'm sure I
haven't included all that is possible.

1: Mazapil Map

I just uploaded a map to the albums-->maps area of the group

have a look if you are researching Mazapil (actually I should have put
this map in the Historical Maps section) if you get to looking for it
and its not in Maps it means I moved it to Historical Maps.

joseph

Alt 255 FTM

For me right now I'm going to pass on the backSlashes and go with the
ASCII code ALT 255 which puts an invisible space between the names you
want to appears as one name.

here are the answers I received that included suggestions on using the
AKA field:

Subject: BackSlash--New question
From: Joseph Puentes
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:48:56 -0500
X-Message-Number: 8

okay now that you all have solved that problem here's another.

In Hispanic Genealogy almost everyone is a Jose or Maria, but the real
given name is the next name as in Jose Julio or Maria Eligia

so when I make a genealogy report I have to Underscore the first name as
in Jose_Julio in order for FTM to NOT drop the Julio and just constantly
refer to my relative as Jose so and so or Maria so and so.

is there a backSlash trick to maintain the first names without the
Underscore?

I just tried using backslashes around the double first name AND the
double surnames and it seemed to invert and use the first or give names
as the surname

So since this doesn't work what all would you suggest? Am I stuck using
the underscores?

joseph
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com

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Subject: Re: BackSlash--New question
From: "John Okerson"
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:09:29 -0500
X-Message-Number: 9

>> okay now that you all have solved that problem here's another.
>>
>> In Hispanic Genealogy almost everyone is a Jose or Maria, but the real
>> given name is the next name as in Jose Julio or Maria Eligia
>
>

I believe you mean that the name that folks are known by are often other
than their full given name. Many folks have this situation, regardless of
their heritage. One way to solve this is to enter the name which the person
is known by as their aka, and then in the reports, rather than using their
given name, you use their aka. You would need to make your file consistent
throughout, of course.

Example:

Jose Julio Gonzalez in the Name box.
Julio Gonzalez in the aka box.

As you would read from yesterday's discussion, you can also add a New Fact,
such as Alternate Name, and then include that within a report or even a
graphical chart. I urge you to place the IMPORTANT name in the aka though
as you can do more with it while searching the Index of Individuals - you
can have the aka appears as the SOLE name for the individual or as a second
entry for the same individual. Pick your poison!

>> so when I make a genealogy report I have to Underscore the first name as
>> in Jose_Julio in order for FTM to NOT drop the Julio and just constantly
>> refer to my relative as Jose so and so or Maria so and so.
>>
>> is there a backSlash trick to maintain the first names without the
>> Underscore?
>
>

No but there is a TRICK if you wish to refer to

Anna Maria Preciat as Anna Maria rather than merely Anna. I do not use it,
but the Alt-255 key (when done both at once with numbers entered from the
numeric keypad) combination generates a blank space that changes the name to
do what might be used. I think it is used more for Southern names where
many folks are commonly called something like Billy Bob as if it were one
name.

Digital Cameras Instead of Copies

I just wanted to share a recent experience in my research with the group.

Until recently when I wanted a copy of a document, I would take the film off the viewing machine, sometimes wait to use one of the copiers and then usually get mediocre results from the printer. Some films will not print at all at my FHC because they don't have enough contrast and the printer does not like that.

So a couple of weeks ago I saw a couple taking photos of the projection of their film. I decided to try it out with the Tlaltenango marriages film that I am going through (which is a negative so it makes it somewhat trickier) and other than having to hold the camera really steady, it works great. I am posting a couple of the images that I have from that film in the Albums section so people can see.

If anybody would like additional instructions or tips, let me know.