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Test of Research Questions Forum 02-23-2006

Arturo! It worked! It worked! I posted three messages and they seem to have posted and I got notified by email!!

Ok, now I'll move on to the GEDCOM, FILES and ALBUMS....I already have pictures uploaded and some files of the family trees.....

Thanks again for all your hard work!

Peggy Delgado

Arturo! It worked! It worked! I posted three messages and they seem to have posted and I got notified by email!!

Ok, now I'll move on to the GEDCOM, FILES and ALBUMS....I already have pictures uploaded and some files of the family trees.....

Thanks again for all your hard work!

Peggy Delgado

I am over at the National Archives looking up border crossing records and am having no luck finding El Paso crossings from 1916. Does anybody know if these crossings are available on microfilm anywhere? The college student staff member who is working here tonight told me that those years for El Paso are not filmed... but I want to make sure.

On a brighter note, Chris Pineda, I have found the border crossing records for your great-grandparents Nicanor Pineda and Emilia Gonzalez. I will scan them and send them to you.

First of all I want to thank all of you brave and patient souls who have
gone on the new website. I know that changes are generally hard to
swallow and that there are glitches in the site still that make it
somewhat cumbersome to use. but perhaps some of you will be enticed by
some of the new features we will have.

- Much much much more storage space for your files. So if you
were relegated to Ranchos2, or even if you were not but wanted to look
up someone's files who was relegated in Ranchos2. you will have to do so
no longer. All of the files should fit in the site and the description
of the file folders is searchable so you can simply type a surname or a
location and find the file folder with the relevant information

- The user database is searchable. We have already imported
the who's who database from YahooGroups and once we get the remainder of
members to fill in their profiles, you can simply search for a surname
in the user database and find who is researching that surname. Same
goes for locations.

- GEDCOM files. You will be able to upload GEDCOM files.
These will be viewable only by members, just like any other file but
viewers can navigate interactively through the trees. Furthermore, the
GEDCOM files are not downloadable by anyone other than the owner of the
file. A very useful feature is that members can use the online GEDCOM
database to cooperate with other members on building up a family line.

Please go on and try out the site. Let me or Joseph know If you have
any questions or suggestions.

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Needed: Actors, Readers, Interested
Individuals.



the Author Historian Rubén Sálaz Márquez has given me permission to produce his play Dialog of the Dead. I'm been given limited permission to produce the play only for the Nuestra Familia Unida podcast. I'm looking for volunteers to read each part. If you have a good voice and can read well I would encourage you to read over the part you are interested in and lets start recording.



http://www.historynothype.com/deaddialog.htm



Parts available: 

Narrator (female),
Chicano, Above-It-All, María (female), Latino, Immigrant (female),
Hispano.

Heckler, Policeman, Immigration Officer
(female)



Joseph Puentes

http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com



ps: please forward this to anyone you know in the community that might
have a good picoso voice and good reading skills.

Message from rosa9972 lareina2@...

This is the last call for this Saturday's Southern California Ranchos
meeting. Some people will not be able to attend after all, so there
is still room. If you can make it, please email me ASAP at
rosalindamruiz@... .

The location is Rowland Heights, CA.

I would also like to thank Olivia Jaurequi-Reyes for her generosity.

Thanks,

Rosalinda
Ranchos Moderator

Hi, Joseph,
 
I forwarded your message about the Dialog of the Dead play to Al
Sosa.  His group is called Hispanic Genealogy Forum at
Delphiforums.com.
 
Emilie

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Test of Research Questions Forum 02-23-2006

Message from Joseph Puentes makas@...

As we make the transition to the
new group it is understood that there will be a bit of a learning curve
as we all get used to the new system. There has been a little confusion
about how to sign up for a new password. Well here are the instructions
that were on the other end of the URL link that was in the previous
email instructions that Arturo wrote up [Note: it is important not
to sign up for a new account but "Request
New Password" using your YahooGroups
Username---read below:

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/13819

Message from Arturo Ramos arturo.ramos2@...

I don't really know why, but PAF is available in Spanish in only Version 4.0.4, whereas the latest version is 5.2.18. I have not used the 4.0.4 so I am not sure what charting and reporting capabilities there are, but I know that there are a few members that use both the English and Spanish language version much in the way that you are envisioning.

As far as conversion, I don't think you really need to worry about it. You can just open up the PAF file that you have created in the English Version of the software in the Spanish Version.

-Arturo

Message from lareina2@... lareina2@...

Arturo--
 
You can count me in for a contribution.  Just let me know the details. 
 
Rosalinda


-----Original Message-----
From: arturoramos2
Sent: Feb 20, 2006 1:19 PM
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [ranchos] [Nuestros Ranchos] Solicitation for Assistance for Totatiche Historian/Genealogist


Last month I mentioned that I met with Esteban Valdes Salazar, "cronista" from Totatiche, Jalisco and genealogist who has published a number of very valuable books.  He is in the midst of trying to publish a second edition of the now sold out Historia de Totatiche as well as a new book on the genealogy of the Pinedos and Ortegas of Totatiche.

He has transcribed a whole series of early land titles and is the only historian who has seen the old Fransican convent records from Colotlan from the 1600s.  He is helping Samuel Sanchez get those filmed as we speak.

He is very strapped for money and is trying to raise money to publish these works and I promised him I would try to get some donations.  I have already received some from a couple of generous Ranchos members.  My parents are headed back down to Mexico in a couple of weeks and I would like to send the donation down with them.  Please let me know if you would be willing to contribute, however small an amount.  I will make the donation on behalf of the group and will list the names of the contributors in my letter to him.

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Message from arturoramos2 arturo.ramos2@...

Last month I mentioned that I met with Esteban Valdes Salazar, "cronista" from Totatiche, Jalisco and genealogist who has published a number of very valuable books. He is in the midst of trying to publish a second edition of the now sold out Historia de Totatiche as well as a new book on the genealogy of the Pinedos and Ortegas of Totatiche.

He has transcribed a whole series of early land titles and is the only historian who has seen the old Fransican convent records from Colotlan from the 1600s. He is helping Samuel Sanchez get those filmed as we speak.

He is very strapped for money and is trying to raise money to publish these works and I promised him I would try to get some donations. I have already received some from a couple of generous Ranchos members. My parents are headed back down to Mexico in a couple of weeks and I would like to send the donation down with them. Please let me know if you would be willing to contribute, however small an amount. I will make the donation on behalf of the group and will list the names of the contributors in my letter to him.

Message from Erlinda Castanon-Long longsjourney@...

Welcome to the wonderful world of genealogy! What I'm sharing may
sound very trying but I must tell you the longer you do genealogy
the more satisfaction you get when you work long and hard and your
family is reclaimed after going through many records. I found a
record I'd had for 3 years the key to taking my Gutierrez family
from 1750 in Jalisco to 1650 in Michoacan! At other times I can
thank another person who's shared their information and records that
opened a door for me. My husband had done the records for his family
back to 1854 and found someone else online through Familysearch.com
who'd done that line back to mid 1500's and was more than willing to
share including documentation.

When I started reading records I would discard all names that were
spelled differently... WRONG!!! I now know the families seldom even
saw the records and the people giving the information were not
always the people the records were about. There were many times
where the scribe put the grandparents as parents and the birth dates
were very wrong. I have a marriage record for an ancestor that says
he was 50 but he was really 72 when he married a second time!

You may find the people using different names during their lifetime,
I have an ancestor who appears as Antonio Carmen, Jose Carmel,
Antonio del Carmen but they are all the same person. I've found
times when the men all used the fathers surname and the women used
their mothers and grandmothers surnames, they have been very
challenging to put together as siblings.

I've found the spelling of their surnames change from record to
record with the scribe and local customs being in control. De la
Cueva becomes Cuevas, De Los Rios became Del Rio and then Rios...
De Avila became Davila and Avila. De la Torre sometimes stayed that
way or changed to Torres. And then their are the families who got to
chose which one of the hyphenated surname to use.. Villasenor y Jaso
became Villa or Villasenor with other siblings using just Jaso!

It sounds confusing but once you get familiar with the names and
style of the records for that area it all comes together.. The parts
of the puzzle finally fall into place and you understand why we do
this... to honor our families and to reclaim a history many of us
never knew existed.
Best wishes in your search
Linda in Everett

Message from Kim Raine kimesl@...

Hello,
I am new to the ranchos group. My potential link to the
target areas is my ancestor Jose(f) Manuel BORONDA. It
has been said that he was born in Jerez, in Guadalajara,
and in Spain. So far there is no proof of any of this.
He would have been born about 1750. It is documented that
he came to California in 1769. He married Maria Gertrudis
HIGUERA at Mission San Carlos in Monterey, California on
23 January 1790. He was 40 at that time.
I have learned that BORONDA is likely a Basque name and
that it has *numerous* spellings! There are very few,
under any spelling, that I can find in Aer or Argena III.
Those that I find on LDS are in Basque Country.
It is my understanding that vital records in Zacatecas
were burned in the revolution, but what about the Catholic
church records -- does anyone know if they were kept?
Muchas gracias.
Kim Raine
Vermont

Message from arturoramos2 arturo.ramos2@...

Yolanda:

I guess the answer to your question depends on the software that you are using. I use an online database called The Next Generation that allows you to enter the "DE" or "DE LOS" or "DE LA" in a seperate field from the main surname such that when you search or sort by surname these are not taken into account.

When I import the GEDCOM from this software into PAF, I get the same problem that you do... a bunch of people end up under the letter "D" and I forget to look for them there.

I definitely like entering the name as it appears... for example a lot of contemporary names were once "DE" names such as Rios was "DE LOS RIOS" or "DEL RIO" and Torres was "DE LA TORRE", etc. so I would not enter such names simply as "TORRE".

What software are you using? Other than ROBALCALVA, do you have any "DE" names such as those I mention above?

Message from v.h.villarreal raices_regias@...

Follow the links in this page:

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/aalives/index.html

Message from Erlinda Castanon-Long longsjourney@...

The public service chanel here in Everett, Chanel 9 has a show on the
genealogy search for Blacks to find thier genetic makeup. Since I have
traced 3 Mulato lines in 3 different states, Jalisco, Zacatecas and
Michoacan I was very interested in what they had to say. They shared
the fact that the Portuguese controlled the slave trade and that in
the time frame I'm looking at, mid 1600's the odds are the slaves were
from Angola. They shared the major advancments they are making daily
in genetic testing now being able to isolate genes to find what
percentages we are of different ethnic backgrounds. I find this all
very exciting and hope if you get the chance that you will get to
watch this very informative show. Even if you have no black ancestors
the sharing of genetic information and genealogy research methods is
great and well worth watching.
Linda in Everett

Message from Emilie Garcia auntyemfaustus@...

Joseph,

Here is another ancestor of mine.  I had trouble finding him because
by the 1700s they were spelling it Marcelino Suriano and his
descendants had turned into mulatos in Salitrillo.   
 
I remember that when I tried to get some records from Seville, they would
only send it to me if I had a fax machine.  I don't have one, but that
would have been neat to get them that way and not wait so long for the
snail-mail.
 
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ----

Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s Record
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about
Marchion Soriano

Message from Emilie Garcia auntyemfaustus@...

Joseph,

Below is a copy of what I found today on one of my ancestors in
Ancestry.com.  The original entry in Ancestry.com that I printed out back
in August 2004 said "Extracted from documents in the Archivo General de Indias
in Seville, copies of which are among the holdings of the Family History Library
in Salt Lake City".  Now I notice that this entry has that sentence
truncated after "copies of".  I wonder why they did that?  Did they
not want the public to know that the FHC has those records, or did the FHC make
them eliminate that part?  They only give some book as a resource. 

 
That time that I tried to navigate the AER online, I got as far as getting
a password and I pulled up any old record, and it was amazing!  The actual
photo of the document from the 1500s appeared on the screen and it had all kinds
of info, but the destination was also "Nuevo Espana" (like in the one below) not
any particular state in Mexico because there probably weren't any states yet.
When I tried to find my particular surnames, I had no luck in navigating to
that point (too mensa).  Only Ancestry.com gets me to my surnames, but
alas, they don't have the actual scans of the AER documents.
 
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA --

Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s Record
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about
Sebastian De Olague

Message from Linda R Romero romero89@...

How does one sign up if one doesn't speak Spanish? Just walk me
through the words so I can sign up. In case you're wondering how I
can research in the Spanish language when I can't read it, I search
using my family names. When I get a hit, I make a copy and translate
it later. Simple, time consuming, and not very accurate. But it is
all I can do.

Linda

Message from Alicia Carrillo alliecar@...

Dear Ranchos Members,   I thought I would share some of my musings and findings. Yesterday I called my sister-in law to share some information regarding one of our common ancestors going back 4 generations in Tlachichila, Zac. and also to ask a question about some Mexican History regarding this region. Last week while reading film # 0226731, Matrimonios de Nochistlan, years 1842-1847. Our ancestor, Mateo Ruiz de Esparza's first marriage to Maria, Florencia Gonzales in January 1845 states that he is from Jalpa Zac. but I noticed that within that time span there were many other marriages which showed that either the bride or the groom were from Jalpa and were new arrivals to Tlachichila, some for a few months and some a few years. It made me wonder why so many new arrivals from Jalpa. What made these people leave Jalpa Zac which is a larger town and come to Tlachichila which is so remote and isolated? and only has subsistence
farming, no other industry? I thought to ask her since she was educated in Mexico at UDG and lived in Guadalajara up until the time she and my brother married in 1996. Well she majored in philosophy and not Mexican History but she did provide a few possible clues but not enough so I ask anyone in the group who might have or know a little history on this region if you might know what was going on in the area of Jalpa Zac that made people flee from this region?   Now instead of asking  question I am providing one of my new findings, this I learned from my sister-in-law yesterday. I shared with her what I thought was a new or unusual surname. I had seen the surname Idem on a few documents but could not trace it back to anyone. I asked her about this since she studied latin and she set me straight. Idem is not a surname as I previously thought. I had seen it many times and it was
always used in the context as follows,  Jose Martinez y Magdalena Idem.   It is probable that everyone else already knew this but just in case there is one person who does not know this l thought I would share this with all of you.   Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo   Here is the definition per the dictionary. Therefore this would mean Jose Martinez and Magdalena of the same surname as Jose Martinez

SYLLABICATION:	i·dem
PRONUNCIATION:	dm
PRONOUN:	abbr. id. Something that has been mentioned previously; the same.
ETYMOLOGY:	Latin, from id, it. See i- in Appendix I.

Message from lareina2@... lareina2@...

Alicia--
 
I'm sorry for the deaths in your family, and I'm also sorry that you will not be able to attend.  If this meeting is a success, I'll try to arrange another one.  We'll keep you in mind.
 
Rosalinda


-----Original Message-----
From: Alicia Carrillo
Sent: Feb 3, 2006 7:49 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Unable to attend Southern California Meeting


Oh boy, now I am really sorry I cannot attend the southern Cal meeting. We had two deaths in the family in January, one to Baja Calif and the other one this week to LA and next week a wedding in LA. Please eat some pan dulce on my behalf. Maybe at the next meeting i can make it. Best of everything to everyone.
 
Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo
San Jose, CA

zendean <usa20@...> wrote:

This is to confirm my intent to come to the Feb. 25th Ranchos meeting @ 11:30. All I need now is where to come on that day.
 
Jose Luis Macias
"Zendean"


-----Original Message-----
From: lareina2@...
Sent: Feb 1, 2006 10:52 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] UPDATE ON THE SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA RANCHOS MEETING

Hi group!     Here is an update on the upcoming Southern California Ranchos   Meeting.  A kind member of the Ranchos group, Olivia Jaurequi-Reyes,   has offered the use of her home as a meeting place.  The advantage of   this is that we can have a calm, comfortable atmosphere to share our   genealogies and ideas.  I'd like to thank Olivia for her generosity.    The location was originally set for the Covina area, but Olivia's home   is in Rowland Heights, not too far away from the 60 freeway, and just   west of the 57 interchange.    We are planning a menu of carne asada, rice, beans, sodas, water,   coffee, and pan dulce, and expect the cost to be in the range of $10   per person.  I ask that you please let me know whether you definitely   plan to attend, and inform me no later than FEBRUARY 15, so we can 
  order the food and purchase any necessary items.  PLEASE TELL ME HOW   MANY PEOPLE ARE COMING.  This is crucial for planning purposes, and I   will also respond with Olivia's address and phone number, which I do   not want to post on the public forum.  Email me at    lareina2@... . I will then forward any other pertinent   information for those who express an interest.  Even if you did not respond  

before this, feel free to add your name to the list!    Location: Rowland Heights, CA  Date: February 25, 2006  Time: 11:30 a.m.     If you have any other questions or suggestions, feel free to email me   at lareina2@... .    Thanks,    Rosalinda

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