Map with detailed description of Lagos De Moreno of Jalisco, Mexico year 1773.
Description where I found it:
http://oi58.tinypic.com/2i1ypuh.jpg
Maps:
http://oi61.tinypic.com/wu1ik5.jpg
http://oi58.tinypic.com/2hwcjtl.jpg
http://oi61.tinypic.com/14tveav.jpg
so far i got one person to volunteer.They are currently working on matrimonios 1812-1879.
here's a few other collections i've only partially indexed
matrimonios 1815
matrimonios 1789 images 6-565
matrimonios 1773-1783
matrimonios 1779- 1795
there's plenty of others i've barely started on but i won't state those
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Dear Friends, Family, and Somos Primos readers:
Somos Primos, beginning its 16 years of monthly online issues is welcoming, along with you, 2015.
December 9, 2014 ended with a huge win: Spanish General Bernardo de Galvez, received Honorary United States citizenship from Congress in recognition of the importance that Spain's contribution was in achieving independence from the British. In addition,a Bernardo de Galvez'
portrait was hung prominently, fulfilling a promise made 231 years ago by the US Congress. It is located in the Senate Foreign Relations Committee room, right next to President Eisenhower's portrait.
There are diverse and varied heritage activities across the country revealing an awakening to the positive historic Hispanic/Latino presence in the United States.
These heritage projects are taking many forms, organized by individuals, groups, schools, churches, museums, special events, displays, non-profits/for profit, and even government agencies promoting the story of the Spanish presence and heritage. This is a history which has been sadly excluded, misinterpreted, or demeaned . . . the stories of our ancestors.
If we each challenged ourselves to share our family history, in some public venue, what a shift of consciousness could be achieved.
Possibilities are endless, in your schools, libraries, oral history
projects, local newspapers, blogs. We can individually and within our
sphere of influence, contribute. Facts are strong witnesses to the truth.
If you hesitate to speak out publicly, share your stories in Somos Primos. Others have shared their stories and you have read them in the pages of Somos Primos.
We have all benefited. Your experiences matter. Your thoughts and
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God bless America and God bless Israel.
Happy New Year.
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Dear Friends, Family, and Somos Primos readers:
Somos Primos, beginning its 16 years of monthly online issues is welcoming, along with you, 2015.
December 9, 2014 ended with a huge win: Spanish General Bernardo de Galvez, received Honorary United States citizenship from Congress in recognition of the importance that Spain's contribution was in achieving independence from the British. In addition,a Bernardo de Galvez'
portrait was hung prominently, fulfilling a promise made 231 years ago by the US Congress. It is located in the Senate Foreign Relations Committee room, right next to President Eisenhower's portrait.
There are diverse and varied heritage activities across the country revealing an awakening to the positive historic Hispanic/Latino presence in the United States.
These heritage projects are taking many forms, organized by individuals, groups, schools, churches, museums, special events, displays, non-profits/for profit, and even government agencies promoting the story of the Spanish presence and heritage. This is a history which has been sadly excluded, misinterpreted, or demeaned . . . the stories of our ancestors.
If we each challenged ourselves to share our family history, in some public venue, what a shift of consciousness could be achieved.
Possibilities are endless, in your schools, libraries, oral history
projects, local newspapers, blogs. We can individually and within our
sphere of influence, contribute. Facts are strong witnesses to the truth.
If you hesitate to speak out publicly, share your stories in Somos Primos. Others have shared their stories and you have read them in the pages of Somos Primos.
We have all benefited. Your experiences matter. Your thoughts and
lives mattered. They shaped you and you shaped others.
God bless America and God bless Israel.
Happy New Year.
Mimi
www.SomosPrimos.com
TABLE OF CONTENTS
UNITED STATES
Sometimes Congress takes a while to keep its promises Across the nation, historians were watching Historical figure Gálvez gets his due — finally by Jose Antonio Lopez Dr. Carolina Crimm, shares the December 9th unveiling of the Galvez portrait A thank you from Teresa Valcarce Graciani all the help in getting the Bernardo Galvez Portrait Hung La Libertad de Los Valientes. Historia de Bernardo de Galvez is on Facebook December 16, 2014, Honorary citizenship conferred on Bernardo de GalvezLatinos in Heritage Conservation: Launching a National Network Reagan-Bush Family Fairness: A Chronological History University of Southern California Alum, Frederick Aguirre, goes on the record for Latino patriots
2015 will Bring the Most Latino Congress in U.S. History How DACA Has Improved the Lives of Undocumented Young People El Lejano oeste espanol olvidado: De Pedro Rivera a Jose Antonio de Rubi
por José Antonio Crespo-Francés
Book: The Spanish Army in North America 1700-1793 (Men-at-Arms) by Rene Chartrand
HERITAGE PROJECT
Art, History & Culture:
Walking the streets of Spain while sketching and listening for voices from the past by Eddie Martinez HISTORIC TIDBITS Hector Perez Garcia, M.D., Historical Marker has been installed at its original site
Youtube: Looking back: In the Land that Made Me . . Me Christmas in Goliad, Tejano Author's photo: December 6, 2014 Latino History: An Interchange on Present Realities and Future Prospects Creating the Past and Its Futures: Historians at Work, Call for Papers Deadline January 15, 2015 Kate Smith and the Story Few Know Today learn more about our Presidents HISPANIC LEADERS Herman Badillo, U.S. Congressman August 21, 1929 - December 3, 2014 Juan Flores, Professor/Author September 29, 1943 – December 2, 2014
AMERICAN PATRIOTS
Great News for Roll Call by Alfredo Lugo Ohio Boy's $20 Gift to Soldier Multiplies Hispanic Generals and Admirals. Barbara A Mitchell USS Kidd marks Veterans Day with first military director by Mark H.
Hunter
New Members to VA Advisory Committee on Minority Veterans includes Latinos Fall 2014 Activities of the 65th Infantry Regiment “Borinqueneers”
On Veterans Day: In Memory of all who fell, Honoring all who Served -
Reflections of an Octogenarian by Felipe de Ortego y Gasca
EARLY LATINO PATRIOTS
Rosters of Tejano Patriots of the American Revolution 1776-1783 Bernardo de Gálvez y la Independencia de los Estados Unidos Por Antonio Sánchez de Mora Fixed Regiment of Spanish Louisiana Love And War The Romance of Bernardo and Marie Felicite By Joe Perez
SURNAMES
The Royal House of Plantagenet and their Descendants of New Spain By John D. Inclan Inside of every human being are our ancestors, Heraldry of the WorldDNA The Basque
FAMILY HISTORY
US Census 1850-1890 and Military Records Chart of Cousins ~ How They Are Related Gleaning information from photos and family members FamilySearch Adds More Than 125.4 Million Indexed Records/Images to the United States How to GET Goals, not SET Goals in 2015 by Juana Bordas The Black Telephone
EDUCATION
True Story of the Kids Who Beat MITs Best Robots
2015 Women of Color in Political Science Workshop Meet Ellen Ochoa,Ph.D., 1st Hispanic Woman in Space Echoes of Incarceration, a documentary project produced by youth with incarcerated parents U.S. encourages students to study in Mexico by Lorena Figueroa Lessons from Arizona: Mas sabe el diablo por viejo que por diablo
CULTURE
Tobin Center Lags In Latino Inclusion, Antonia Castañeda, Arturo Madrid
and Tomás Ybarra-Frausto
I need to hear music IN SPANISH in my life by Margarito J. Garcia III, Ph.D.
What do Ireland and Mexico have in common? Let me count the ways by Gil Sperry
BOOKS AND PRINT MEDIA
Genie's Gifts: "My 15 Grandmothers" by Genie Milgrom Publishers & Authors may now enter the 2015 International Latino Book Awards Spare Parts by Joshua Davis Gabriel García Márquez life work acquired by The Harry Ransom Center Writing through Revelations, Visions and Dreams by Stella Pope Durarte Special Books: Books that Change American History Three Decades of Engendering History: Selected Works of Antonia I.
Castañeda
Timer Warner Signs on as Primary Supporter for NALIP Latino Film Incubation Program
ORANGE COUNTY, CA
January 10th, 2015, SHHAR Monthly meeting: Author, Alex Moreno Areyan SHHAR Report on its 2014 Season Thank you from John Inclan
LOS ANGELES COUNTY
Introduction to The House of Aragon by Michael Brakefort-Grant Ancient Colombia: A Journey through the Cauca Valley
Los Angeles County Museum of Art, January 31, 2015–December 31,
2015
Resurrected Histories: Voices from the Chicano Arts Collectives of Highland Park
January 14 through February 5, 2012
CALIFORNIA
California Robles Family Researcher
View from the Pier by Herman Sillas
San Ysidro: Voices and Visionaries: Rosalinda mendez Gonzalez, Ph.D.
California Association of Bilingual Education, 2015{ 40th Annual Conference and Exhibit ShowNORTHWESTERN, US The New Magdaleno.org is Here!
SOUTHWESTERN, US
They walk into a hole, what they see is mind-blowing by Todd Briscoe Introduction to: Purgatory in Palomas...Marjorie Lilly in Desert Exposure CARE (Caregiver Advise, Record, Enable) Act by Miriam Davidson.
The Kings and Queens of the Duke City Taco Truck Boom Maria Conchita Marquez de Lucero and husband John Lucero Honored Mexican American Studies On Trial Raza de Oro-Vaquero My people are taught by Misael Chico Ramirez?
TEXAS
Alamo Cenotaph: Site of Historic Interest For Texan of the Year, I nominate Ruben Garcia by Robert Moore Spanish Land Grants Not Honored by the United States Rosters of Tejano Patriots of the American Revolution, 1776-1783 by Jesse O. Villarreal Sr.
San Antonio Historical Association to celebrate its seventy-fifth year in January 2015 Going Home by Daisy Wanda Garcia Latin Legacy, Eva Longoria, March 15, 1975 by Christopher Perez The String of Pearls of the Lower Rio Grande by José Antonio López December 5, 1791 -- Karankawa Crossing to Matagorda Island Found November 24th, 1835 -- Republic of Texas authorizes Texas Rangers Navarro Casa Cenotaph - State honor and ongoing major project.
MIDDLE AMERICA
Notas Latinas, a weekly radio program broadcast Migrant farmworkers remain crucial to harvest
EAST COAST
Manhattan's Unknown History: El Barrio Español de Nueva York Plaque of 126 Spanish Citizens martyred as American Revolutionary War patriots Capitulos de la Relacion Suscinta del Descubrimiento de la Floria por los Españoles
AFRICAN-AMERICAN
December 11th, 1886, Black Farmers National Alliance and Cooperative Union Formed Bernardo de Galvez Honorary Citizenship by Michael N. Henderson PEN Oakland Acceptance Speech and Report Nina Serrano
INDIGENOUS
In the Land of the Headhunters: British Columbia's first feature film celebrates 100 years Fiesta in San Miguel de Allende - Dancers, photos by David Bacon Navajo Nation buys ceremonial masks at Paris auction, rescues masks
SEPHARDIC
The de Riberas of Spain, Chapter 2 by Michael S. Perez America’s Hispanic Evangelical Christians Growing and Support the Jewish State Sephardic vogue, Argentine immigrants fueling Jewish revival in Spain Stories By Andy Porras: Gilberto Bosquez Saldivar Aristides de Sousa Mendes The Conquistadores and Crypto-Jews of Monterrey by David T Raphael A Guide to the World's Most Jewish City Outside of Israel: New York
ARCHAEOLOGY
Port Royal, Kingston Harbor, Jamaica
MEXICO
La Capilla de Ojo Zarco
El Historiador Silvio Zavala (1909-2014)
12 de Diciembre, se celebra a Virgen de Guadalupe Maximilian, Emperor of Mexico descendent of King Ferdnand II by John Inclan La Biblioteca Daniel Cosio Villegas
Asunto: La Familia Carvajal y EL Relato visual de lo prodigioso guadalupano LIBRO DE DEFUNCIONES DE PARRAS, COAHUILA. AÑO DE 1846.
Libro de Defunciones de Parras, Coahuila. Año de 1846 Juan Fernandez Posible Descrubridor de Nuava Zelanda por José Antonio Crespo-Francés General Don Vicente Riva Palacio Hacienda de Pozo Hondo, Matrimonio de Casimiento de Indios, Teodoro Garcia y Agapita AlbarezCARIBBEAN Florida International University Libraries acquisition of Cuban genealogy collection Cuba and the US to restore diplomatic relationships, comments by Eddie Calderon, Ph.D.
CENTRAL & SOUTH AMERICA
First Unlooted Royal Tomb of Its Kind Unearthed in Peru
PHILIPPINES
International Beauties From The Philippines; Update by Eddie AAA Calderón, Ph.D.
Boxer Francisco Guilledo Induction in 1994 into the International Boxing Hall of Fame One Million Filipinos and the Booming Outsourcing Business
by Eddie AAA Calderón, Ph.D.
SPAIN
Juan Latino
Magellan Expedition's Voyage the World (1519-1522) Duchess of Alba, the world's most titled aristocrat, dies El Archivo Diocesano digitalizará libros y registros de parroquias de la Isla Tenerife Monumento a Blas de Lezo: Juan Carlos I presidirá el homenaje ciudadano Blas de Lezo y la Defensa Heroica de Cartagena de Indias El Ayuntamiento de Palos por Angel Custodio Rebollo Escubrimiento de America / Nuevo Estudios Timeline Spain thru 1899Fate of Ex-Muslim Critic of Islam Hangs in Balance
INTERNATIONAL
Introduction to Germans Rise Up Against Islamization by Soeren Kern
25 Maps to Help You Understand Your World The Barbados Cricket Buckle- follow-up news!
Found a map of the coast of California dating back to October 30, 1770:
http://oi61.tinypic.com/of6jja.jpg
Gives a lot of description on the map and year.
Wow! I have posted maps of San Francisco Bay areas for year 1772 which is on the previous topic of the ship "San Carlos" that traveled up to San Francisco Bay area in 1775. But the 1772 map was from another expedition by the ship called, "La Goleta Sonora"
I was looking at a map of the Peninsula of California where I found it here:
http://oi60.tinypic.com/zwhrvq.jpg
I marked it in green:
http://oi59.tinypic.com/2rxcscp.jpg
Is that the legendary city of cibola that Fray Marcos De Niza saw?
Found a map of Los Pinos, Zacatecas, Mexico under the name "Nuestra Senora De La Concepcion Sierra De Los Pinos) year 1603:
http://oi62.tinypic.com/otdati.jpg
Source is in mapas/planos of PARS archives:
http://www.archivesportaleurope.net/search/-/s/n;jsessionid=1120A792737…
Made copy of the descipcion:
http://oi61.tinypic.com/242hq11.jpg
http://oi57.tinypic.com/2wn3axy.jpg
Found this new website that is different from PARS. I did a search for Zacatecas and a large document came up that is over 8,000 pages long and it is called, “Descripcion de la Ciudad de Zacatecas” year is 1732:
http://bibliotecadigital.rah.es/dgbrah/i18n/consulta/resultados_busqued…
If Zacatecas doesn’t come up, do a search on the left side in “buscada”
Here are just a few pages I started to look at:
http://oi59.tinypic.com/1zlbz8o.jpg
Look at this one Real Audencia De Guadalajara De Nuevo Galicia, Juan De Olivan Rebolledo Governador electoy Capitan General De La Provincia De Texas:
http://oi58.tinypic.com/2lnir8w.jpg
I found this link where Archive of Indias. There is a list of countries to pick on the left side. I pick "Mexico"
and a submenu of another list comes up. I select one of those to see a different time frame. Then on the right when you scroll down there is an image of a computer which you click on and archivos come up:
http://www.archivesportaleurope.net/ead-display/-/ead/pl/aicode/ES-4109…
Example:
Looking at archives of PARS on California and see many where ships, expeditions traveled from Port San Blas of Nayarit, Mexico up north to San Diego, Monterrey and San Francisco, California, Mexico in 1770's - 1800's.
This one is the year 1775 where the ship "San Carlos" commanded by Capitan Juan De Ayala traveled from Port of San Blas, Nayarit up to Ports of Monterrey and San Francisco of northern province of California. It is title "Bucarely sobre arribo a San Blas del paquebot ''San Carlos'' in the PARS Archives if you want to search and read a 48 page document.
Here he describes entering the San Francisco Bay:
http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas/servlets/ImageServlet?accion=41&txt_…
He describes, "Almejas" which is a name on a patch of clear land on a map on the Pacific Coast side just beforing entering San Francisco Bay. I had found two maps of the San Francisco Bay in Mapas/Planos year 1777 in which that maps has dotted lines on land passing through numbered circles which seem to be "Monterrey," going up north to other numbered cirlces all the way up to cirlce number 5 which is the Presidio of San Francisco. Names of rivers are on that map. I will later post that map I found. I also found another map which I thought was year 1772 but description says "probably 1802" and by the "oficiales of San Blas" as described on the map. That map of San Francisco Bay Area is colorful as it shows lots of trees in green and several clear patchs of land with names such as "San Mateo" "Presidio San Francisco" "Mision San Francisco" "Almejas" Almejas is on the Pacific side just before entering San Fancisco Bay which is described by name by Capitan Juan De Ayala. So that latter map may be older or concided with the map of 1777. This is good because it would then prove that those villages and San Francisco existed back in 1770's. I will also post that map later on.
Dear members interested in DNA
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The BigY test normally costs $575 but is on sale right now for $525 - so with the promo code it would cost $425.
Please contact me if you can use this promo code, it can only be used by one person. I will forward the code by email.
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Hola Members, I am trying to find out who the parents of Fabiana Diaz de Tiscareno married to Luis Padilla-Davila feb. 01 1730 in La Cienega de Mata ,Jalisco.(Matrimonios La Cienega de Mata- 1667-1757 - Page # 248. The record states Nicolas Diaz and Juana de Isassi are the parents of Fabiana. Now there is a Dispensa year 1803 of Rafael Padilla and Antonia Padilla-Film # 168130-page # 1219 that states a Bernabe Diaz and Maria Martin are the parents of Fabiana . I tend to believe marrage info on Fabiana than the dispensa . Any thoughts .
Thank you
Ronnie
Primordialmente yahualica Jalisco jalostotlitlan y tepatitlan apellidos
Toledo limon son separditas existe un rancho cercano a yahualica del cual
son mayoria Gonzalez se llama el durazno y por costumbre se casan entre
ellos mismos costumbre antigua. son blancos ojos azules. Las carnitas son
famosas en esta region por que LA gente presumia comer cerdo para evitar
ser victima en tepatitlan tambien tiene LA gente decendencia separdita
existe una inglesia principal con estrellas de David Como huella que
estubieron ahi.
El dic 8, 2014 5:57 p.m.,
escribió:
I was browsing the archives and did a search, "flota de indias" to see the list and the description on the side:
http://oi58.tinypic.com/20r07l0.jpg
And the painting of the port from the view of the flota de indias:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3TEkacYXUk FlashMob Mexico
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuNl50hUrs0 y otro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAr2WNbB9LU Guadalajara Guadalajara
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tM6vzucp-c Xalapa FlashMob
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ew68O4bSGc Japonesa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIvGGEvjjZ4 Mariachi Samurai
joseph
Joseph Puentes
Thank you Ray
Subject: US Air Force Band Christmas Concert
________________________
"Starting with a single cellist on the floor of the National Air and Space Museum's "Milestones of Flight" gallery, and swelling to 120 musicians, The U.S. Air Force Band exhilarated museum visitors with its first-ever flash mob.The four-minute performance featured an original arrangement of "Jesus, Joy of Man's Desiring/Joy to the World," led by the band's commander and conductor, Col. Larry H. Lang. Unsuspecting museum visitors including tourists and school groups were astonished as instrumentalists streamed into the gallery from behind airplanes and space capsules,and vocalists burst into song from the Museum's second floor balcony."
https://www.youtube.com/embed/-cKE8pyfcZc
MERRY CHRISTMAS.....
Found this plano on page 48 of sevilla archives of the layout of Veracruz, Castillo Ulua and several ships with their names such as:
Concepcion
Soledad
Paquebot
Castilla
Arrogante
Flora
Tridente
Vencendor
Aguila
Villarra
http://oi62.tinypic.com/2zyvjbm.jpg
http://oi60.tinypic.com/ooeq1.jpg
I have this link to look up navios of Spain:
Interrsante mis padres tienen Como apellido nungaray son apellidos Vasco Al
igual q esparza estube en Pamplona y fue intwresante collaborar
El dic 23, 2014 6:06 p.m.,
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> Otra cosa, me gustar?a saber m?s de ti. ?Me relatas tu historia? Yo soy de
> Nochistl?n, Zacatecas ? la Primera Guadalajara. He estado viviendo en los
> EEUU desde los 14 a?os de edad. Curse licenciatura en Biolog?a y termine
> maestr?a en Microbiolog?a ? aunque no me gradu? al no terminar mi tesis. He
> estado en el mundo de los negociosos como due?o de una empresa que se
> dedica a la compra y administraci?n de plazas comerciales, tipo ?mall?. Ya
> llevamos diez a?os con una reuni?n familiar en Nochistl?n donde atraemos
> gente de todo Mexico, EEUU, Europa, y hasta de Asia. Mi inter?s geneal?gico
> ha sido sobre mis ancestros. Ha sido un trabajo arduo. Hemos encontrado que
> los Legaspi (Legazpi, Legaspe, de Legaspe, de Legazpi) han estado en
> Nochistl?n desde a principios o mediados del siglo XVII. Ha existido el
> apellido en Mexico desde 1528 cuando varios espa?oles influyentes
> comenzaron a visitar Nochistl?n y otras partes de la Nueva Galicia. En el
> Tuiche ? tierra ancestral de los Legaspi fue donde muri? Pedro de Alvarado
> y donde la batalla del Mixt?n sucedi? dando presencia a nativos que se
> rebelaron contra la invasi?n espa?ola. Estoy por tomarme mas tiempo en
> estos asuntos de historia y genealogicos que espero detallar y precisar de
> un modo cientifico.
>
>
> Saludos.
>
>
>
> *me quedo a tu disposicion,*
>
> *Jos? de Jes?s Legaspi*
> *www.thelegaspi.com *
>
> *Montebello, CA. *
>
>
> 2014-12-17 13:14 GMT-08:00 :
>
> > Alfonso Reynoso Rabago
> >
> > Hola, Jos? de Jes?s:
> >
> > Quisiera comentar tu frase que dice: "En mi trabajo he encontrado por
> > varias fuentes que las gentes de la Nueva Galicia fueron espa?oles,
> > principalmente de la region Vasca". Yo he encontrado resultados un poco
> > diferentes: Estudiando un conjunto de familias con numerosos
> descendientes
> > en Los Altos de Jalisco, he encontrado al ubicarlos en el mapa de Espa?a
> > que todos ellos tuvieron su origen en la parte occidental de Espa?a desde
> > el norte (incluyendo los pa?ses vascos) hasta el sur. Ni uno solo de
> ellos
> > proviene del oriente de Espa?a, ni tampoco se concentran en un solo lugar
> > sino que se distribuyen de manera uniforme por todo el occidente de
> Espa?a.
> > Entiendo que esa parte de Espa?a era m?s pobre que la parte oriental y
> que
> > los que vinieron a los Altos de Jalisco lo hicieron por buscar una vida
> > mejor en el Nuevo Mundo.
> >
> > Con ello no quiero decirte que tus resultados est?n mal, sino que estos
> > son mis resultados y exclusivamente se refieren a lo que hoy en d?a
> > llamamos Los Altos de Jalisco.
> > Un saludo.
> > Alfonso Reynoso R?bago
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> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] ?Ojos rubios o pelirrojos?
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> Roux frances para el color rojo. Aunque la traduccion formal de rojo es
> rouge. Puede que sea una descripcion del cabello.
>
> *Very sincerely yours,*
>
> *Jos? de Jes?s Legaspi*
>
>
> 2014-12-06 6:07 GMT-08:00 :
>
> > Alfonso Reynoso Rabago
> >
> > Totalmente de acuerdo contigo, Julieta. En mis aportes, emple? mal el
> > t?rmino "rubio", deb? haber empleado la voz "pelirrojo". En efecto, El
> > Diccionario de Real Academia define al rubio como "Dicho especialmente
> del
> > pelo: De color amarillento, parecido al del oro." Agradezco mucho la
> > correcci?n de mi error. Y totalmente de acuerdo contigo de que la
> expresi?n
> > francesa para rubio es "blond" o "blonde" en femenino.
> >
> > Sin embargo el problema en el documento comentado es que se diga que el
> > soldado descrito tiene los ojos "roux". ?Ojos pelirrojos? Hasta donde s?,
> > esa expresi?n no existe en franc?s como color de ojos. Investigar? mejor
> > con personas de habla francesa.
> >
> > Un saludo y mil gracias por la aclaraci?n.
> > Alfonso Reynoso R?bago
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> From: Jose Legaspi
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> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] ?Ojos rubios o pelirrojos?
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> Roux frances para el color rojo. Aunque la traduccion formal de rojo es
> rouge. Puede que sea una descripcion del cabello.
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> *Very sincerely yours,*
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> *Jos? de Jes?s Legaspi*
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> 2014-12-06 6:07 GMT-08:00 :
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> > Alfonso Reynoso Rabago
> >
> > Totalmente de acuerdo contigo, Julieta. En mis aportes, emple? mal el
> > t?rmino "rubio", deb? haber empleado la voz "pelirrojo". En efecto, El
> > Diccionario de Real Academia define al rubio como "Dicho especialmente
> del
> > pelo: De color amarillento, parecido al del oro." Agradezco mucho la
> > correcci?n de mi error. Y totalmente de acuerdo contigo de que la
> expresi?n
> > francesa para rubio es "blond" o "blonde" en femenino.
> >
> > Sin embargo el problema en el documento comentado es que se diga que el
> > soldado descrito tiene los ojos "roux". ?Ojos pelirrojos? Hasta donde s?,
> > esa expresi?n no existe en franc?s como color de ojos. Investigar? mejor
> > con personas de habla francesa.
> >
> > Un saludo y mil gracias por la aclaraci?n.
> > Alfonso Reynoso R?bago
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> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 10:42:23 -0800
> From: Jose Legaspi
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> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] ?Espa?oles de la regi?n vasca?
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> Hola. Mis respetos en tu trabajo. Mi trabajo apenas ha comenzado. Me he
> basado en los estudios historicos que he visto sobre la Nueva Espa?a y
> Nueva Galicia, incluyendo libros de historia que pueden tener algo relativo
> pero no preciso ya que han salido mas puntos relevantes con las nuevas
> investigaciones, ergo, los de ADN. Me ha interesado mucho los vascos, por
> razones de familia y he seguido varios libros que relatan su influencia en
> el crecimiento del imperio Espa?ol. Me interesa mantener estrecho contacto
> contigo ya que a seguir yo las investigaciones, me late que tendr?s mucho
> que ofrecer. Gracias por tu trabajo.
>
> *Very sincerely yours,*
>
> *Jos? de Jes?s Legaspi*
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> 2014-12-17 13:14 GMT-08:00 :
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> > Alfonso Reynoso Rabago
> >
> > Hola, Jos? de Jes?s:
> >
> > Quisiera comentar tu frase que dice: "En mi trabajo he encontrado por
> > varias fuentes que las gentes de la Nueva Galicia fueron espa?oles,
> > principalmente de la region Vasca". Yo he encontrado resultados un poco
> > diferentes: Estudiando un conjunto de familias con numerosos
> descendientes
> > en Los Altos de Jalisco, he encontrado al ubicarlos en el mapa de Espa?a
> > que todos ellos tuvieron su origen en la parte occidental de Espa?a desde
> > el norte (incluyendo los pa?ses vascos) hasta el sur. Ni uno solo de
> ellos
> > proviene del oriente de Espa?a, ni tampoco se concentran en un solo lugar
> > sino que se distribuyen de manera uniforme por todo el occidente de
> Espa?a.
> > Entiendo que esa parte de Espa?a era m?s pobre que la parte oriental y
> que
> > los que vinieron a los Altos de Jalisco lo hicieron por buscar una vida
> > mejor en el Nuevo Mundo.
> >
> > Con ello no quiero decirte que tus resultados est?n mal, sino que estos
> > son mis resultados y exclusivamente se refieren a lo que hoy en d?a
> > llamamos Los Altos de Jalisco.
> > Un saludo.
> > Alfonso Reynoso R?bago
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I have been going through the mapas/planos of Mexico in the Sevilla, Spain archives and have found so many interesting things.
I saw planos of buildings in Mexico where they produced Cigars. Also there is a map of the location of the cigar factories. The tobaco business in Mexico during colonial times?
Mi familia viene de Los Altos de Jalisco entre mis hermanos hay pelirojos,
rubios y morenos claros, yo soy moreno claro, ojos cafes, la prueba de mi
ADN dice que el 80% de mis antepasados eran Sueco-Alemanes, o sea mucho
Visigodo, tambien mi ADN indica 4% Celtico(de los Celti-Iberos?). Lo de lo
Frances en Mexico si existe pero es menos que lo Sefardito o lo Africano.
El promedio de ADN Sueco-Aleman entre los Mexicanos es el 48%, lo de lo
Nativo es el 32%, quien se lo imaginaba? Yo no! Raul
2014-12-04 16:57 GMT-08:00 :
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> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 18:53:21 -0800
> From: Emilie Garcia
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> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Origen franc?s de los alte?os
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> I don't think it was just Altenos who looked "French". My father was from
> Jerez, Zacatecas, and people with his surname Olague (a Basque name) first
> settled in Pinos, Zacatecas in the 1500s. My father said that his
> grandfather was called "el Frances" because he had blue eyes. When I did
> my research on the Olagues in Zacatecas, there were no French at all, only
> "espanol" going back to the 1600s in Zacatecas. When I went with my father
> to Zacatecas in the 1960s, we passed through some villages where the people
> were morenos with blue eyes. I asked why they had blue eyes (must to the
> consternation of my father), and they said that the French had been there.
> "Los Franceses estubieron agqui" they said, and they smiled.
>
> Emilie
> Port Orchard, WA
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> > Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 11:49:05 -0600
> > From: fandemma@gmail.com
> > To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Origen franc?s de los alte?os
> >
> > Estoy totalmente de acuerdo contigo Alfonso. Los alte?os, y otra gente de
> > M?xico, tenia ojos azules desde antes de la Segunda Intervenci?n
> Francesa.
> > Mis t?os abuelos, de Lagos de Moreno, no hubieran podido haber tenido
> ojos
> > azules solo por medio de mi bisabuelo que era un vasco espa?ol con ojos
> > azules y sin sangre francesa comprobado por sus documentos que tengo
> hasta
> > el siglo XVI. Su matrimonio con una alte?a de Lagos de Moreno, de
> > ascendencia espa?ola y mestiza sin sangre francesa, fue la raz?n que dos
> de
> > sus hijos tuvieron ojos azules como otros alte?os sin ascendencia
> francesa.
> > Varios parientes lejanos de mi bisabuela tienen ojos azules y no tienen
> > ascendencia francesa en sus ?rboles geneal?gicos.
> >
> > Hace falta que mas personas que tienen parientes o ancestros con ojos
> > claros platique de su gente y de sus ?rboles y que escriben libros.
> Todav?a
> > hay gente en Los Altos que creen que son g?eros con ojos claros por tener
> > sangre francesa sin tener documentaci?n que lo comprueba y eso aunque
> saben
> > sobre el contenido de los tomos de Reto?os de La Nueva Espa?a y de los
> > muchos ?rboles de la gente de la regi?n. Ponen mas fe en un libro con
> > mentiras porque les dice lo que quieren creer y optan por ignorar Reto?os
> > de La Nueva Espa?a y dem?s documentaci?n que existe.
> >
> > De este matrimonio de Mateo Norinat o Naudinat y Leonarda Olivares no he
> > encontrado descendencia en Lagos de Moreno ni en el resto de Jalisco y
> > jam?s he escuchado mencionar ese apellido ni uno parecido. Han de haber
> ido
> > a vivir a otra parte de M?xico o afuera de M?xico. As? que los documentos
> > de ese matrimonio comprueban que si hubo algunos franceses en Los Altos
> de
> > Jalisco pero todav?a no hay comprobantes que hayan dejado descendencia en
> > Jalisco aparte del caso tuyo que mencionaste. Sigue siendo mito y no
> > historia ver?dica que los soldados franceses hayan sido causa de la piel
> > blanca, los ojos claros, y el pelo g?ero en Los Altos de Jalisco.
> >
> > Saludos,
> > Armando
> >
> >
> > 2014-12-01 12:31 GMT-06:00 :
> >
> > > Alfonso Reynoso R?bago
> > >
> > > Durante largo tiempo he estado investigando el origen racial de los
> > > Alte?os. Hay muchos mitos sobre ello. Se dice que son blancos, rubios,
> de
> > > ojos claros porque los soldados franceses de la Segunda Intervenci?n
> > > dejaron su descendencia en Los Altos. En realidad despu?s de muchas
> > > b?squedas s?lo hab?amos encontrado la descendencia de un soldado del
> > > ej?rcito franc?s de origen africano, de raza negra, en Los Altos. Este
> > > descubrimiento reportado aqu? es extraordinariamente interesante porque
> > > fundamente el matrimonio de un soldado franc?s con una mujer mexicana
> (tal
> > > vez alte?a). ?Felicitaciones a su descubridor!
> > >
> > > En realidad algunos de los alte?os (no tanto como se dice) son blancos,
> > > rubios y de ojos claros no por la Segunda Intervenci?n Francesa sino
> porque
> > > desde muy antiguo algunos de los primeros labradores espa?oles
> presentaban
> > > esas caracter?sticas. Hay un obispo que habla en su visita pastoral
> all? a
> > > principios del siglo XVII de esas caracter?sticas de los antepasados
> de los
> > > que ahora nos llamamos alte?os. (He perdido la cita, si alguien la
> sabe, le
> > > agradecer?a si me la da a conocer).
> > >
> > > Adem?s, si vinieron soldados franceses con ojos azules, esa
> caracter?stica
> > > no la pod?an heredar a sus descendientes si la madre no ten?a ella o
> alguno
> > > de sus antepasados esa caracter?stica. Eso nos lo dice la biolog?a. Es
> > > decir que para tener ojos azules se necesita que tanto el padre como la
> > > madre aporten informaci?n gen?tica de ojos azules.
> > > Mil gracias por el aporte documental que es de primera.
> > >
> > > Un saludo cordial.
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Hola Raza, I am trying to find out if Francisco Gutierrez de Hermosillo who married Maria Dolores Gomez de Mendoza on Nov.19, 1730 in Tepatitlan and Tomasa Garcia on Dec.03. 1714 in San Juan de Los lagos is the same Francisco Gutierrez de Hermosillo. I couldn't find the marriage in Tepatitlan to see if it state that Francisco was a widower of Tomasa Garcia but couldn't find it nor the record of the one in San Juan de Los lagos. Either I am blind or some body made an error.
Thank you for time and thank you Joseph.
Found an 848 pg document of Miguel Del Berrio Y Zaldivar:
http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas/servlets/ImageServlet?accion=41&txt_…
Some example pages and it shows his geneology lineage:
I am looking through PARS websites in the mapas and planos section. I have a friend who is a historian in Zacatecas and is interested in any maps or planos of Valparaiso, Zacatecas, Mexico or the Hacienda San Mateo. If any of you out there are searching maps in the PARS or other websites, can you help? Thank you.
I found several villages of Jalisco and also found another one the plano of Bolanos, Jalisco, Mexico
Hola Linda , I understand that the Espanoles kept to themselves but by looking at the records ,there are tons of Mulatos to the point( I think) there could of been some Mulato Groups/colonies/Individuals still around, It looks like they were magicians and went poof,gone . For in example :I was told by a distant relative who lived in El Rancho del Refugio (between San Miguel el Alto, San Jose de Los Reynoso and San Julian area(Jalisco),that a Rancho named La Puerta del Sauz(de Ramirez) that there 200 Slaves housed/lived there. I believe it was probably around 1800 give or take a few years. Well I still ponder where did these guys go or what happened to them. I don' t know ,maybe they just inter married I guess.
Ronnie
Just venting.
I found another entry of the marriage of Cristobal Manuel Castañeda Cobarrubias and Nicolasa Romero Godina. This one says Castañeda was a español. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18453-8557-31?cc=1874591&wc=…
But the marriage dispensation I have says he's mulato. I downloaded a copy of the dispensation (I think their grandmothers were sisters), but I didn't copy the url! Where do I find this again?
BTW, I did come up with a bit of African DNA, so I figured his being a mulato must be true.
Thanks,
Laura
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18426-25517-16?cc=1874591&wc…
i thought it was illegal for someone to marry their niece.
