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Hi fellow researchers

This past Monday I came across a folder in PARES from 1583. It's about some property of Diego Arias Sotelo to which someone lays claim. My Spanish is not good enough to get much out of it, but there is a statement by Christobal Sotelo Montezuma (he swears by the four Saints and the Holy Cross and others, rather dramatic), and list of some of Diego's property. Diego is referred to as regidor of la Ciudad de Mexico and as "natural" of the villa de San Miguel de Ribera (north of Salamanca and southeast of Zamora). This document is from 1583, and since Diego signed a letter in Febr. 1582, this places his death to between the date of the letter, and the date of this document. The writing is not difficult to read, so I hope someone will take a look at it and see if there is anything new to add to Diego Arias de Sotelo's story.

It never works for me to save a link to a particular image in Pares, so I have made a pdf document with screendumps that show how I found the document, and three screendumps from the document itself, so anyone who is interested should be able to find it in PARES. The pdf document is in the File Folder (Member Genealogy Files) here in NR under the name "Diego Arias Sotelo regidor" - see under "D".

Regards,
Denise

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Dear Friends and Primos:

Thank you for a great year of receiving your cuentos, interesting assortment of articles, tidbits, news items, book reviews, etc. It has been a joy to share your thoughts and life experiences. It appears that Somos Primos, in its 15th year as an online publications, is part of a public history movement across the country which was started by social historians about 50 years ago. Public history studies the experiences of every day people in the past. The importance of gathering Joe and Jane Smith's history has now expanded to include an interest in Joe and Juana Garcia's history. The Internet and World Wide Web is facilitating and expediting public history gathering. You are part of the effort.
I intended Somos Primos to be a easy site for sharing our Latino heritage. You may not feel you have a book to write, but you do have events which shaped you. Please write, share your unique life memories, what you learned along the way. Write, to honor your ancestors. Write,
for your descendents to know you. Write, so Latinos will have a
recognized presence in history. You are special. You are you, and no one else has experienced being you.
I hope you all enjoyed observing Hispanic Heritage Month in some special activity or event. If you attended or organized an event, please send photos and a paragraph or two, who, what, when, where the event took place.
The fall holidays are here. Having just completed Halloween activities, in November we have the opportunity to celebrate our Hispanic culture in Dia de los Muertos and our American culture in Thanksgivings Day activities. We can also look forward to Christmas in December, and if a Jewish line has been discovered, Chanukah too. Perhaps, past celebrations will trigger a memory to share.
Through the yearly observations of these holidays, comes an awareness that physical life is fleeting, there is an Almighty Heavenly Father, and the family unit is precious. Please feel invited to send stories, thoughts and photos for the December issue.
Under Culture, I've included information about a Calaveras Poetry contest that I helped organized 20 years ago. It is not too late to write a 2014 Calaveras, and if you do, please do send it along. I wrote a Calavera for inclusion in the article.
God bless, Mimi
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I am very interested in this information.  I have worked on my Femat tree that brought me to Monica Romo de Vivar.  Going through her line I came across some of this information but I became confused at Diego Romo de Vivar as there are so many with the same name and some brothers married the same woman.  I was very confused.  I am very happy to see some information on that line.  I just hope someone can help me connect the Romo de Vivar line.

Congratulations ! Padre Casimiro Serna Esqueda, best wishes and prayers.

The Bishop of Aguascalientes, Jose Maria de la Torre Martín, announced further changes and castling in parishes of the diocese, which he said are badly needed for better care for the Catholic faithful. As part of changes announced the appointment of priest Casimiro Serna as Canon of the Cathedral, after serving the parish of Sagrada Familia, Ags. Ags. Now also celebrates 75 yrs of age.

El Obispo de Aguascalientes, José María de la Torre Martín, anunció nuevos cambios y enroques en parroquias de la Diócesis, los cuales, dijo, son muy necesarios para una mejor atención a los fieles católicos.
Como parte de los cambios realizados, anunció el nombramiento del presbítero Casimiro Serna como Canónigo de la Catedral, tras haber cumplido los 75 años de edad.

On January 28, 1757, Maria Antonia de Carrion (wife of Vicente Gonzalez de Solis) provided testimony - I believe it is in response to the pending marriage of Lugarda Gonzalez de Solis to Joseph Rodriguez, but I'm not 100% certain of the circumstances regarding her testimony. Statements were also made by Silvestra Munoz (wife of Antonio Gonzalez de Solis). Silvetra is the daughter of Juan Joseph Munoz who is the brother of my 5th great grandfather. Also named are Gertrudis de Alarcon, mother of Juan Joseph Munoz (she is my 6th great grandmother).

The first few pages are pretty tough to read, but subsequent pages are easier to read. The testimony begins here: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15265-4322-34?cc=1804458&wc=…

It includes 11 screen images for a total of 21 pages of testimony. It appears to get very personal when one of the woman is referred to as a "puerca cochina" on image #276 (left hand page). I'm sure these were harsh words for 1757.

I'd plan to add these records to my family file, but would love to understand exactly what started this, how these people were involved, and how it ended.

Any translation assistance would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

Lupita Gonzalez‎Genealogía e Historia de Los Altos de Jalisco
12 h · Guadalajara · Editado ·
Mi más sentido pésame primo Ricardo Rodriguez, que Dios les fortalezca en esta pena tan fuerte, te mando un abrazo a nombre de toda la familia, nuestras oraciones por su eterno descanso y fortaleza para todos ustedes.
Descanse en Paz.
Ya no me gustaYa no me gusta ·
A ti, Sergio Gutiérrez-Rubio y 10 personas más les gusta esto.

Rome Dlt Ricky:
Por lo que leo, perdiste a un ser querido...
Un abrazo solidario desde Compostela, Nayarit.
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Abel Barba perdon no soy el indicado pero quiero decirles que murio su papa de ricardo
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Raul Aguinaga Esqueda Mi mas. Centido pésame
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Tomas Alejandro Villegas Gomez Ricardo, mi mas sentido pesame por la muerte de tu amado padre, es un golpe muy duro, deseo sinceramente que dios nuestro señor te de la fortaleza necesaria para soportar esta terrible perdida y que tambien te de la pronta resignacion para aceptar lo que es inevitable, un fuerte abrazo, estamos orando por tu padre.
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Ruben Casillas Ricky,mi mas sentido p[esame,ya sabes que estoy contigo.
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Alberto Dominguez Guerra Mi más sincero pésame Ricardo Rodriguez, te deseo pronta recuperación y recuerda que aunque física mente el ya no esté con ustedes, en el corazón y tu mente estará para siempre!!! Un fuerte abrazo amigo desde tonala jal,
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Roberto De la Paz Ricky mi mas sentido pesame, estoy contigo
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Oswaldo Sevilla Un fuerte abrazo mi estimado a ti y toda tu familia. Y que la familia no sepa de mas penas....
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Adrián Márquez Padilla Mi mas sentido pesame Ricardo Rodriguez, por la sensible perdida, tu padre ha cumplido su misión en este lugar e inicia una nueva espiritual. Su recuerdo lo mantendra vivo por siempre. Recibe un fuerte abrazo.

Barbara my Castanon line came from Valparaiso, Zac to Jerez, Zac in abt 1750 but I haven't found any records for them before that. I do not have the Gertrudis Castanon you ask abt in my records. I will let you know if I ever find the records for the earlier years in Valparaiso.
Linda Castanon-Long

I've been reading through some of the wonderful posts in regards to struggling with speaking Spanish and the challenges of living in two cultures , just some thoughts ;

I grew up in the U.S. in a small mining town located in southeastern Arizona . When my father's family left the villa in Los Altos , they settled in Miami and Jerome Arizona. He came to the states when he was just 2 years old. All of the men in my fathers family were miners, as was my father when he returned to AZ after a stint in the military. My father's first language at home was Spanish, he said he really didn't start speaking English until after he began elementary school. He knew first hand the challenges of not being able to speak english well so he always stressed to my sister and I how important it was to know BOTH languages, it was he said , to our benefit to know more than one language and he was right.

The trouble was, growing up in the Southwest the early 70's, we were not allowed to speak Spanish at school. If you did, you got a trip to the principle's office, or sent home...sad but all too true. We still spoke it at home, but as we continued in school and made non Spanish speaking friends, we used it less and less. That was my first brush with the idea that there was an US and a THEM. Many of you can relate to this I'm sure. Growing up in the States I was just like any other American kid, I listened to Rock and Roll, not corridas , had long hair and loved hot rods. I played football not soccer . Although I loved to hear stories about my family history , I knew nothing of Los Altos...it was another world to me. Many of my friends were in the same boat, some of our familes had been in the US for three or more generations. My mother's people were some of the first settlers in the Tucson area, before Arizona was even a state, who had the right to tell me I didn't belong ? We kidded each other in Spanglish...mixing both languages, a hybrid, just like the culture we were growing up in. Back then there was no lable like Hispanic, or even worse, Latino...if you were a Mexican American , you were a Chicano or, if you came from Spanish stock like we did, you were a Hispano, which is a Southwestern term to denote ties to Spain, not a Spanish version of Hispanic.

My home town is 8 or so miles from the Mexican frontera of Sonora. As my friends and I entered high school, we came into contact with other kids who lived right on the border of Sonora and AZ in a small town called Naco. These kids roots were in Sonora proper, their familes were in the US for maybe a genration at the most, they still had strong ties to Mexico and towns like Agua Prieta , Hermosillo and Nogales. Once again I got a taste of US and THEM. We were told by some, not all, that we were not Mexicans, we were pochos, we were lost people who's parents sold out and wanted to be gringos. It had nothing to do with a difference of appearence,it had everything to do with the side of the border you happened to be born on...you were from Mexico or el otro lado, the motherland or the other side, and there was no way to change it, period.

So not only did we have challenges in the Anglo world , constant reminders that we were different . Things like not being able to go swimming at the local Elk's Club pool, or not being able to date certain non Mexican girls, even though many of us, myself included ,were constantly confused with being anything but Mexican because of our light skin . We also had to deal with what I call reverse racism, from other Mexicans who felt we didn't have the right to call ourselves Mexicans , not all of them of course, I must stess this, but to a good amount of Mexicanos we were just pochos.

That is what put me on the path to learning about my family's roots, I was no longer content with what I learned from text books, none of it fit...and forget about movies or pop culture ! To this day everyone with a Spanish surname in a movie is either the bad guy or the girl that gets bedded by the Anglo hero, it's getting better, but not by much. I came to understand totally why people do family research, why I do research... to find MY ancestors. The group that I belong to and cannot deny me entry by right of blood, WHO EVER and WHAT EVER they were...is what I AM.

HOLA AMIGOS Y AMIGAS

INTERESADOS EN ESTA INVESTIGACION DE LOS PADRES DE PETRONILA DE MOCTEZUMA
ALGUIEN SABE O A ENCONTRADO EL DOCUMENTO DONDE PODRIAMOS COMPROBAR QUE DIEGO ARIAS DE SOTELO Y LEONOR VALDERRAMA Y MOCTEZUMA SON LOS PADRES LEGITIMOS DE PETRONILA DE MOCTEZUMA ESPOSA DE MARTIN GABAY NAVARRO?

ALGUNA NOTICIA O AVANCES DE ESTA INVESTIGACION SOLO NOS FALTA ESTA PIEZA

VAMOS A AYUDARNOS UNOS CON OTROS AMIGOS

ESTE LINK MENCIONA A MARTIN NAVARRO Y PETRONILA DE MOCTEZUMA
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18377-19894-49?cc=1874591&wc…

este documento es el bautismo de una hija de dicha pareja que data de 1553 , el link es el siguiente:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-9758-14785-61?cc=1615259&wc=…

y en este link es el matrimonio de Cristóbal de Sotelo Valderrama con doña Juana Patiño de Heredia en 1594 este es el link
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-17760-104704-6?cc=1615259&wc…

EN ESTE LINK LA TRANSCIPCION DE LA COMFIRMACION DE OFICIO DE DIEGO ARIAS DE SOTELO
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/es/node/21997

este es el link donde puedes descargar la confirmación de oficio de diego arias sotelo
http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas/servlets/Control_servlet?accion=100

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Hi! I never realized this. But my woman partner is from the city of Zacatecas. Her family have a friend named "Tomas Arguelles" who resides in the City of Zacatecas but he is from "Monte Escobedo" near Mezquitic, Jalisco

I remember people in nuestros ranchos telling me about the Arquelles Family of Zacatecas after I had posted that I found a defunto record of Don Fernando Arquelles Natural Del Principal de Asturias 1797 who passed away at our village of Huejuquilla.

Now I am curious about my pareja's family friend "Tomas Arquelles" I know him in person when I have been with my woman's family of Zacatecas. He has a facebook page. The Arquelles of Zacatecas...are the upper class families there. My woman's family of the city of Zacatecas are friends with them.

Since he is from Monte Escobedo....seems his long ago ancestors were in the same area as my GGGGGGG Grandfather Antonio Madera (1660 - 1709) and Maria De La Candelaria (1655 - 1735) at Minillas.

"I need help from someone please in that you can you tell me what it means when this person that I found in Defuntos in our village of Huejuquilla, Jalisco Mexico in the year 1797.

Says "Don Fernando Arquelles Natural Del Prinicipal De Asturias"

What does it say or mean about Asturias? I have no relation to him but just curious.

http://oi62.tinypic.com/2jdjkev.jpg

Source:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18449-54312-19?cc=1874591&wc…

Has anyone been hit with the geneology bug? I am doing lots of research now I got hit with the geneology bug."

My Dearest Nuestro Ranchos Familia,
I am desperate for guidance; does anyone know about these families in
Mexico during the colonial times. They are in our family trees but I cannot
find anything out.

Juan Sanchez Banales married to Catalina De Alcaraz around 1600

Garcia Tagle early 1700's

Joseph Antonio Castellanos married to Mariana Mendoza around 1700.

I have finally reached my witts end. If you know anything please shoot my
way.

Ser Luz,
Elizabeth Acevedo
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i agree interesting information I KNOW esparza is of navarro descent.

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P.S. For more information contact Angel

First of all I want to give so much thankfulness to a good friend Ruben of nuestrosranchos for locating this difunto record of my GGGGGGG Grandmother Maria De La Candelaria (1655 - 1735) who is the wife of my GGGGGGG Grandfather Antonio Madera (1660 - 1709?). They were at Minillas of Mezquitic, Jalisco, Mexico.

This is a copy of the defunto record found on page 43 of "Defunciones (1712 - 1770)" on the LDS Records of San Juan Bautista Church of Mezquitic, Jalisco, Mexico:

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Says she passed away in 1735 at the age of 80 wife of Antonio Madera. Made a testamento before La Justicia De La Jurisdicion at "Monte Escobedo"

Note: Monte Escobedo is a small village way up on the mountain that overlooks the whole valley. When your up there at Monte Escobedo, the panoramic view you have, Mezquitic looks like a tiny cluster of buildings in the open field and the valley.

Says, "tenia la edad de arriba de ochenta anos que fue la mayor accidente y recidia en la lavor de Minillas"

Seems she was older than 80 years since the comment "arriba de ochenta anos" but I don't understand what is meant by "que fue la mayor accident"

Thank you all so much and I have so much gratitude to nuestroranchos members for the invaluable information you have provided me with finding generations farther back.

Hola apreciados primos.. por fin logre subir a la red el censo a que hago mencion en el espacio destinado a Asunto. Esta completo. Si alguien tiene problemas para verlo hagamelo saber y con todo gusto veremso la forma de que lo vea.

Transcripción completa de la "Confirmación de Oficio: Diego Arias de Sotelo" (1559)

Archivo completo también en http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/21996
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CONFIRMACION DE OFICIO: DIEGO ARIAS DE SOTELO
Archivo General de Indias,MEXICO,169,N.34 - 1

Código de Referencia: ES.41091.AGI/22.10.169//MEXICO,169,N.34

> Archivo General de Indias
>> Gobierno
>>> Audiencia de México
>>>> Expedientes de confirmaciones de oficios vendibles
>>>>> CONFIRMACION DE OFICIO: DIEGO ARIAS DE SOTELO
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mill pesos Reales

Francisco de ledesma Secretario de Su magestad dize que en la ciudad de mexico ha Vacado vn regimiento por fin y muerte de bernardino Vazquez de tapia y que en aquella tierra reside diego arias de sotelo su cuñado El qual esta casado en ella con hija de conquistadores suplica a Vuestra alteza haga merced del dicho regimiento al dicho diego arias de Sotelo su cuñado pueda e concurren en su persona las calidades neçesarias para ello . . . Fran.co de ledesma (rúbrica).
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1559 - el Secretario ledesma

Francisco de ledesma

que la Ynformación de la calidad y abilidad y hedad de su persona

Al Señor licenciado Castro

que se le de
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En la muy noble Villa de Valladolid a treinta dias del mes de Junio año del nasçimiento de nuestro Saluador Jesucristo de mill e quinientos e çinquenta e nuebe años ante el señor licenciado tapia de las heras teniente De co-Regidor en la dicha Villa e su tierra e jurisdicción por el muy magnífico señor Lope de almendariz corregidor e Juez de Residençia en ella Por su magestad y en presençia de mi Francisco de herrera escriuano de su magestad e del mi mero de la dicha Villa e de los testigos de yu so escritos pareçio Presente Juan lopez de la Rrinçar estante en esta corte en nombre e como Procurador que se dixo ser de Diego Arias de Sotelo Vezino de la çiudad de mexico de la nueba España que es en las Yndias del mar Océano e dixo Que el Dicho En parte tiene neçesidad de hazer ynformaçión por testigos de su hedad e limpieça e abilidad e su efiçiençia para ser probeído de un ofiçio de Regimiento de la dicha çiudad de mexico e porque en esta corte doy testigos de quien se puede aprobechar para lo suso dicho pidió al señor teniente los mande Recibir e dárselo signado y en pública forma para so presentar ante su magestad lo ante quien con derecho deba e a ello ynterponga su autoridad e decreto judiçial e sobre todo pidió justiçia e para la dicha Ynformaçión nombro y presento por testigo al señor francisco de ledesma Secretario de Su magestad e al licenciado Gerónimo Delgadillo a el de los hijodalgo en esta Real audiençia e chançilleria e a hernando delgadillo criado de Su magestad Real e a bernardino belazquez de arellano estantes en esta corte e para perdon de los testigos fuesen preguntados e hesaminados presentó un ynterrogatorio del tenor siguiente:
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Por las preguntas siguientes sean preguntados los testigos que se presentasen por parte de Diego de Arias de Sotelo, Vezino de la çiudad de méxico que es en las Yndias e probincia de la nueba España. ----
I. Primeramente Sean preguntados si conocen al dicho Diego Arias de Sotelo e si conocieron al capitán Antonio de Sotelo e Uzenda nuñez, su mujer, padre y madre del dicho Diego de Sotelo. ----
II. Yten si sauen [ ] Que el dicho capitán Antonio de Sotelo e la dha Vzenda nuñez fueron casados e velados a ley e bendiçion de la Santa Madre Yglesia y estando casados e haciendo vida maridable de consuno Vbieron por su hijo legítimo y natural al dicho Diego de Sotelo e por tal su hijo es abido e tenido e comúnmente reputado. ----
III. Yten se saben [ ] Que el dicho Diego de Arias de Sotelo es hombre hijodalgo de sangre notoria de solar conocsçido de bengar Quinientos sueldos según fueron de España e por tal abido e tenido e comunmente respetado ----
IIII. Yten si saben [ ] que el dicho Diego Arias de Sotelo es de hedad de treinta y tres o treinta y quatro años y es casado y velado e Vezino en la dicha ciudad de México e allí reside con su mujer e hijos. ----
V. Yten si saben [ ] en el dicho Diego Arias de Sotelo tiene muchos bienes e hazienda en la dicha çiudad de México e sus comarcas e es uno… ----
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De los más honbres honrrados y prinçipales que ay en la dicha çiudad e probinçia a Digan lo que saben. ----

VI. Yten si sauen [ ] que el dicho Diego arias de sotelo es honbre de muy buen entendimiento e abilidad e según la calidad de su persona e su buen entendimento sauen los testigos Que es persona muy sufiçiente para ser Regidor de la dicha çiudad de mexico e que estaría muy bien en el el dicho ofiçio de Regidor. ----
VII. Yten si sauen que todo lo Suso diho se Publica boz e fama ----
E luego el dicho señor teniente dixo que abía e obo por presentados los dichos testigos la reçebçion de los Juramentos dichos e de posiçiones de los quales cometio a mi el dicho escriuano e de otros quales Quienes Que el dicho Juan Lopez de larrincçir en el dicho nonbre presentare los quales mando fuesen preguntados y esaminados por las preguntas contenidas en el dicho Ynterrogatorio e lo Que diciersen e depusiesen se lo mandaba y mando dar Signado en pública forma para el hefeto Que lo Pide e a ello Ynterponia e ynterpuso su autoridad e decreto Judiçial en forma testigos ante Rodriguez e Pedio de medina VII años prin.cos del mimero de la dhicha Villa de Valladolid pasó ante mi Francisco de Herrera. ----

Después de lo qual Yo el dicho escribano tome Reçibiemiento de dichos señor secretario Francisco de Ledesma e licenciado delgadillo e hernando delgadillo testigos presentados por el dicho Juan ...
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...López de larrinçar En el dicho nombre por Dios e por santa María e por vna señal de Cruz en que corporalmente dada vno de ellos toco su mano derecha en forma debida de derecho los quales hizieron el dicho Juramento bien e cumplidamente e a la fuerça e confusion del que les fue tersa por mi el dicho escriuano Respondio cada uno de ellos e dixo "Sí Juro" e "amen" e los Que dixieron e depusieron es lo seguiente ----

El dicho licenciado Gerónimo Delgadillo all.d de los hijos Dalgo en la rreal audiençia e chançilleria De su magestad que rreside en esta Villa de Valladolid testigo suso dicho presentado por parte del dicho Diego Arias de Sotelo abiendo Jurado en forma dixolo seguiente ----
I. A la primera pregunta dixo Que conosçe al Dicho Diego Arias de Sotelo en ella conteido de vista e abla de más de beinte años de esta parte e conosçió al capitán antonio de Sotelo e Uzenda nuñez su muger padre y madre del dicho Diego arias de sotelo Difuntos por tienpo de alguno años antes Que falleçiesen ----
Yten...Preguntado por las preguntas generales dixo que es de hedad de quarenta años poco más o menos e que no es pariente del dicho Diego Arias de Sotelo ni le ba ynterés en este negoçio ni concurren en el ninguna De las otras preguntas generales que le fueron fechas ----

II. A la Segunda pregunta dixo Que lo que saue della es Que algunos años antes que ...
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los dichos antonio de Sotelo e Uzenda nuñez fallesçiesen los conosçió este testigo estar juntos e hazer Vida maridable como marido e muger vibiendo en el lugar de la aldea del Palo tierra de çamora y estando ansi casados e haziendo bida maridable de consuno Vio este testigo que tenian en su casa por su hijo legítimo abido e procreado Durandte el matrimonio entre ellos al dicho Diego Arias de Sotelo y por tales marido e muger e a el por su hijo legítimo los tubo e tiene este testigo e fueron y es abido e tenido e comunmente Reputado e ansi es la berdad e cosa pública e notoria ----

III. A la terçera pregunta dixo en la saue o moen ella se contiene preguntado como la saue dixo que porque todo el tiempo que el testigo conosçió al dicho antonio de Sotelo padre del dicho Diego arias de Sotelo bio este testigo que estubo en posesión de honbre hijodalgo notorio de sangre e que no pechó ni con tribuyó en ninguno de los pecho e derramas en que pechan e contribuien los buenos onbres pecheros del dicho lugar de aldea del Palo e en esta misma posesion ha Visto este testigo que han estado y están el dicho Diego arias de Sotelo e los otros sus hermanos y este testigo por tales onbres hijosdalgo notorios los ha tenido e tiene e son aVidos e tenidos e comunmente Reputados e aUn saue este testigo que podra a Ver diez años poco más o menos que el conçejo e honbres buenos pecheros ---
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... Del dicho lugar del aldea del Palo enpadronaron e prensaron por pechos de pecheros a todos los hidalgos que abía en el dicho lugar e axaron de enpadronar al dicho Diego arias de sotelo e a los otros sus hermanos por tenerlos por hijosdalgo notorios ----

IIII. Ala quarta pregunta dixo que los que del el saue el Que el dicho Diego arias de Sotelo sera presente de hedad de mas de treinta años porque este testigo ha que le començo a conoçer mas de Veinte años y entonces hera ya de hedad el dicho dicho Diego arias de sotelo de mas de diez años e que saue este testigo que el dicho Diego arias De soteo pasó a las Yndias a la nueba España e que despues aca ha bibido e bibe en la çiudad de mexico e alli es casado e tiene su muger e hijos porque a sus hermanos en personas que nah buenido de aquellas partes les ha oido dezir este testigo como el dicho Diego arias es casado en la dicha çiudad de mexico e Reside alli con su muger e hijos e que enbiudó vna Bez e se bolbió a casar y esto es cosa muy pública ----

V. A la quinta pregunta dixo e ha oido dezir que lo contenido en esta pregunta por cosa muy pública e notoria a los hermanos del dicho Diego de Sotelo e e personas que han Venido ----
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...de aquellaas partes e que bale la hazienda que tiene el dicho Diego arias de Sotelo en la dicha çiudad de mexico e sus comarcas mas de çinquenta mill [pesos] ----

VI. A la sesta pregunta dixo que saue que el dicho Diego arias de sotelo es honbre de muy buen entendimiento e aVilidad e sufiçiente e de confiançia e tal que estará muy bien en el ofiçio de Regidor de la dicha çiudad de mexico lo qual sabe porque antes que el dicho Diego arias de Sotelo pasáse a la dicha nueba españa este testigo lo trató e comunicó y hera honbre muy cuerdo e de muy buen entendimiento e como tal a permanesçido en aquellas partes e es honbre muy Rico e muiy honrado e de mucha confiançia e por tal abido e tenido entre todos los que le conosçen ----

VII. A la sétima pregunta dixo que lo Susodicho e depuesto es Verdad e lo que saue para el Juramento que hizo e fizenlo de su nonbre el liçenciado delgadillo . ----

El dicho señor Francisco de ledesma Secretario de Su magestad testigo suso dicho presentado por parte del dicho Diego arias de sotelo aViendo Jurado en forma dixo lo siguiente. ----

I. A la primera pregunta dixo que Conosçe al dicho Diego arias de Sotelo en ella contenido de bista e abla de catorze años parte poco más o menos e no conosçió a sus padres ----
Yten preguntado por las preguntas generales dixo ser de hedad de çinquenta años porco más o menos e que el dicho Diego arias de sotelo es hermano de un cuñado de este testigo e que no le enpeçé ninguna de las preguntas generales que le fueron fechas ... ----
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II. A la Segunda pregunta dixo qe nomo dicho tiene conosçió a los padres del dicho Diego harias de sotelo pero que los oyó dezir e que el pn.co e notorio se el dicho diego arias de sotelo hijo legítimo de los dichos sus padres ----=
III. A la terçera Pregunta dixo que tiene este testigo al dicho Diego harias de sotelo por honbre hijo dalgo de sangre y en tal posesion ha sido aVido e tenido el e los otros sus hermanos ----
IIIII. A la quarta pregunta dixo que no Saue la hedad que tiene el dicho diego arias de sotelo más de que sabe que tiene hedad sufiçiente para ser Regidor por que deue pasar de hedad de más de beinte e çinco años Según a el tienpo que ha que le conosçe ----
V. A la Quinta pregunta dixo que es Público e notorio que el dicho Diego arias de sotelo está en la nueba españa e bibe en la çiudad de mexico y está casado e hazendado en aquella tierra. ----
VI. A la Sesta pregunta dixo que tiene el testigo al dicho Diego arias de sotelo por ábil e sufiçiente para serbir el ofiçio de Regimiento de la dicha çiudad de mexico si su magestad fuere serbido hazerle mio del porle conosçer e aberle tratado antes que pasáse en Yndias e que esta es la Verdad para Juramento Que hizo e fizémolo de su nonbre Francisco de ledesma ----

El dicho hernando delgadillo criado de su magestad Residente en esta corte testigo suso dicho presentado por parte del dicho Diego arias de sotelo aViendo Jurado en forma dixo lo siguiente:
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Hola a todos, primeramente que nada les deseo un feliz año.

Ahora en vacaciones tuve la oportunidad de retomar mis investigaciones genealógicas, extender algunas ramas y obtener pistas para algunas otras.

Una familia que me inquieta por lo que recientemente descubrí es la de los Pérez de Alencastre de Jalisco, concretamente de Tecolotlán de la cual posiblemente alguno de ustedes desciende.

El primero de este apellido por una rama fue Don Diego Pérez de Alencastre, casado con Doña María Ruiz de Contreras, allá por los últimos años del siglo XVII. Este Diego pienso yo que es hijo de Manuel Antonio Enríquez o Pérez de Alencastre, esposo de Juana Beltrán Dorantes, de quien de todos modos desciendo por su hija Angela, esposa de Don Juan Fregoso.

Ahora bien, lo más curioso del asunto es que los portadores del apellido Alencastre, todos descienden de un hijo natural pero reconocido del Rey Juan II de Portugal, que se llamó Jorge de Lencastre, en honor al apellido de su bisabuela Doña Felipa de Lancaster, nieta del Rey Eduardo III de Inglaterra. De este Jorge de Lencastre descienden todos los Lencastre y Alencastre, que es la versión hispanizada. Un ejemplo es el virrey de la Nueva España, Fernando de Alencastre Noroña y Silva.

Para Manuel Antonio Enríquez o Pérez de Alencastre, quien debió nacer por 1600's significa que lo separan unos 120 años del fundador de su apellido ya que Jorge de Lencastre nació en 1471 y falleció en 1550. Al principio me pareció un poco ilógico que siendo perteneciente de dicha familia, seguramente sería hijo o por lo menos nieto de algún duque y las razones por las cuales se encontraba en Jalisco se me harían extrañas, pero debido a que esto ha sucedido también con otros antepasados de origen muy noble, creo que este puede ser otro caso. El linaje de mi antepasado seguramente debe de estar registrado, incluso encontré un Manuel de Alencastre hijo de Don Alvaro de Alencastre y Enríquez y de la IV duquesa de Avero Doña Juliana de Alencastre y Téllez Girón del cual no se tienen más datos sólo figura su nombre entre sus vástagos, pero hasta el momento no he hallado más datos que me sugieran como está conectado a Jorge de Lencastre, lo que sí es que definitivamente lo está.

Espero alguien me pueda dar alguna pista o dato al respecto.

Enrique Agraz

Thank you. I'll start scanning the Teocaltiche records and maybe I'll find
information on Francisco López de Velarde and Juana Marín de Peñalosa.

Paige

Hello,

Is there anyone in the forum that has information on Margarita López de
Velarde that's married to Antonio Alonso de Los Ynojos. I have Antonio
Alonso de Los Ynojos ancestry for several generations but, I can't locate a
marriage or any information on Margarita López de Velarde. I'd like to know
her parents if anyone has that information.

Paige

i agree interesting information I KNOW esparza is of navarro descent.

On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 5:25 PM, wrote:

Hello Paige, I know the feeling. Where from exactly? I could keep an eye
for you.

Elizabeth
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I have two questions. First, does anybody know if the Pasajeros a Indias information that appears in the Pares search engine is complete? I saw a reference to a person as appearing in the Pasajeros books, but when I looked him up on Pares, he wasn't there.

Second, a friend gave me a list of surnames of people investigated by the Inquisition, and the surname Ruiz de Esparza is there. It occurred to me that the surname is there because of the "prueba" that was done on Lope Ruiz de Esparza in Aguascalientes (the one that mentions Petronila de Moctezuma as his wife's ancestor). Whoever put together that list must have a source for the Ruiz de Esparza surname occurring on it. I think it was prepared by John Schmal and was being circulated in the Genealogia de Mexico group (Google groups). Maybe this can help us track down the Limpieza de Sangre for Lope Ruiz de Esparza.

Alice

One of La Senora Research Institute Academic Fellow is an expert on these
Codices. Dr. John Pohl is his name. When Mexico was celebrating its 150th
year John got the Museo to mount a major exhibition at the Getty. It was
phenomenal and John walked around our Patron Members Small Group Tour and
explained everything that was in the exhibit. But it was LACMA's exhibit
on Quatzequatel a few months later that most pertained to the Codices.
There are very, very few copies in existence....John was able to get the
Bodleian Library at Oxford to loan their copy because they said his
exhibit was the very first time the Codices had ever been displayed in the
context of what they meant.
If there's a serious interest in the Codices on the part of enough of you,
I could arrange for Dr. Pohl to come to LA and give a talk on this. Our
theater/auditorium seats 55 people. It would not be until Spring as La
Senora remains 'dark' during the winter months so that we have time to do
additional research. Right now we are hard at work on Jose Mojica re: both
his time in Santa Monica California and after he built his mother Villa
Santa Monica in San Miguel de Allende and founded the orphanage there.

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> Edgar Olguin Diaz
> hola armando
> me haber confundido con los comentarios
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> una pregunta puede ser confiable la informacion donde se mencionan los
> ascendencia de petronila de moctezuma? aunque no tengo la fuente de dicha
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> tienes informacion de los padres de martin navarro gabay?
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> encontrer la publicacion y lo sde diego dicen es son su padres antonio
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Is anyone familiar with the names Antonio de la Paz Tinoco and Ana de Luera from Aguascalientes. Circa 1680 to 1740

I am trying to find out who their parents were.

Their children were:

Maria Gertrudis de la Paz 1727 (married Jose Sipriano Limon)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JZVQ-7BP

Francisco de la Paz Tinoco 1729
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N8P1-SDM

Ana de la Paz Tinoco 1732
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N8PB-Y3P

Eugenio de la Paz 1737 (married Ma Ciriaca Flores)
Ysabel Benedicta de la Paz 1737

Feliciano de la Paz abt 1745 (married Ma Rosalia Navarrete and Ma Gertrudis Catano)

I noticed on two of their children they also have surname "Tinoco" I found a another person in Aguascalientes Joseph Manuel Paz Tinoco and wondered if this is his brother. They mentioned parents Carlos Martin Paz Tinoco and Mathiana Gonzales Cortes. The image on right hand side, second item to this link.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-13029-90008-34?cc=1502404&…

Do any of you know if there is any relation between Antonio Paz Tinoco and Carlos Paz Tinoco??

Thank You
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Hello all,

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