En varias ocasiones leí que un obispo de la Nueva Galicia, tal vez Alonso de la Mota y Escobar, visitó la región que ahora conforman los Altos de Jalisco y describió a su población española como muchos de ellos rubios o de pelo castaño, algunos de ojos claros y muchos de piel blanca. Si alguien conoce este texto, le agradecería mucho que me proporcionara la referencia.
Mil gracias.
Alfonso Reynoso Rábago
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From: mimilozano@somosprimos.com [mailto:mimilozano@somosprimos.com]
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 8:17 PM
To: mimilozano@aol.com
Subject: December 2014 Issue of Somos Primos
http://www.somosprimos.com/sp2014/spdec14/spdec14.htm
Dear Primos and Friends:
It is hard to believe that this December issue completes 15 years of monthly Somos Primos issues online. It has been a challenge, an education, and a joy. My historical understanding of U.S. history and the Spanish global presence has grown bit by bit, primarily through the varied submissions and family histories that readers have sent.
The wide diversity of information reflects the countless range of individual histories with a Latino connection. Every individual's story is unique, each different, a piece to the puzzle of humanity.
I have taken a simple approach: if you have a Spanish surname, you have a heritage connection to Spain, where the surname originated, and that makes you happily, a possible primo. . .
Since the heritage diversity among the Spanish language speakers in the Americas is based on the 500-year colonization period of the America, I am hopeful that as we learn our history back to the colonization period, we will find many primo connections.
I am hopeful too that as we find our historical and DNA roots connections to other groups, such as the Indigenous, African, European, Asian, and Jewish communities, it will increase understanding and respect for the cultures of others.
As we embrace diversity in the United States, we will be helping to spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ. His message of love will be easier to emulate as we reinforce ourselves with historic facts and apply them to our activities in the present.
May you, your family, friends, and community rejoice, honor, and adore the Lord who brought the message of love and peace for all mankind.
MERRY CHIRSTMAS and warm hugs. . . Mimi
TABLE OF CONTENTS
UNITED STATES
Congress tried to fix immigration back in 1986. Why did it fail? by
Brad Plumer
During 1986 Amnesty Implementation Process, Over-stayed VISA Holders
Went First by Mimi Lozano
Information on the New 2014 Amnesty Laws
First Annual George Washington Patriot Prayer Breakfast, November 29,
2014, in San Antonio, TX
An Idea for Your Christmas Tree
Youtubes to enhance Christmas:
Mary Did You Know? and Our Father by Andre Bochele
Hispanics in the American Revolution - 1775-1783
The Most Latino Congress Ever Is Coming in 2015 by Roque Planas,
Huffington Post
The Land is Spanish by Pablo Ricardo Quintana
Spanish Heirs win access to Energy wealth in Texas Legislature
Were Native Americans Victims of Genocide? by David Olson
Epidemics in U.S 1657-1918 Compiled by Sandy Russell
This Is a New Story We Are Writing Together By Guy Bailey
Vaquero Reflects Heritage of South Texas By Dr. Lino García, Jr.
Vaquero – A Proud Tradition By José Antonio López
Maria Elena Durazo leaving top post at L.A. County Federation of Labor
Marta Lourdes Tellado as Consumer Reports New President & CEO
A Legacy of Smoke: a documentary film by Luis Argeo and James D.
Fernández
U.S. History Trivia . . . And Did You Know . . .
HERITAGE PROJECTS
Latinos in Heritage Conservation: Launching a National Network
DNA Proves Horses Unlike Any Others on Earth
The Colonial Spanish Wilbur-Cruce Mission Horses
Honoring Col. Juan N. Seguin Burial Site, October 25, 2014
The Reenactment of the Battle of Medina
La Belle and the Alamo Connection by Dan Arellano Author/Historian
Fojas Perdidas Project
A Tour of Tijuana’s Maquiladoras in Mexico by Barbara Zaragoza
The Importance of Promoting Hispanic History by Mimi Lozano
HISTORY TIDBITS
Remembering Pearl Harbor, December 7, 1941
The History Blog
Colorization of Civil War era and early 1900’s photos
Book: When Mexicans Could Play Ball by Ignacio M. Garcia
November 2, 1779 -- Spanish diplomat dies of head injury
November 6, 1528 Castaways begin amazing journey
November 8, 1852 - The Circus come to town!
HISPANIC LEADERS
Maestro Juan Estevan Arellano, 1947-2014
Ricard Duardo, LA Master printmaker and artist, - November 12, 2014
Lorenzo Santos Luera, California State Past LULAC President
In Memoriam Tulio Halperín Dongi (1926-2014)
AMERICAN PATRIOTS
Video Mansions, Giving Thanks to those who Gave Their Lives for our
Freedom
Hero Street, book, video and documentary
Chicano POW Of Nazi Slave Camp Speaks Out
How to Trace Your U.S. Military Ancestors
Medal of honor Chaplains
2014 Las Estrellas de Tejas Reception
History of the Marine Corps by Kelsey Driscoll
EARLY LATINO PATRIOTS
Bernardo de Galvez Plaque Natchez
Galvez Program on Tenerife TV
Video on Los Galvez de Macharaviaya
Galvez Projects of Edward F. Butler, Sr.
Call to write your senators in support of Galvez
Example of letter written by José Antonio López
Your State Senators
Granaderos y Damas de Galvez, San Antonio at the Founder's Day Event
Dorothy Perez Honored by SAR
DNA
Genetically, There's No Such Thing as a Mexican by Maggie Fox
Vast Genetic Diversity among Mexicans Found in Large-scale Study by
Krista Conger
My suspicions have been confirmed by Refugio Fernandez
Genetic Evidence Says Easter Island Had Visitors 100s Of Years Before
Previously Thought
New Mexico DNA Project Database celebrates it's 10 year anniversary
Researching Your Family Health History with the application of genetic
information.
Ambitious Google drive to put human genome online gathers steam
FAMILY HISTORY
Dec. 3, 2014 Latino Education & Advocacy Days (LEAD) Educational
Advocate of the Year
FamilySearch introduces MyHeritage's institutional service at Family
History Centers and Libraries
More Family Search Records Indexed Records and Images
What every genealogist needs to know about digital content and
preservation (100+ resources)
EDUCATION
Gates Millennium Scholarship Program
Teacher expectations produce a Pygmalian effect that influences student
achievement.
The Old Deluder Act passed in 1647
Missing Minority Ph.D.s by Scott Jaschik
Stolen Education: Screen documentary on systematic discrimination in
Texas schools
CULTURE
Down Town Noche of Altares
José de la Isla’s latest book, Day Night Life Death online
Casa Navarro Dia de Los Muertos, October 28, 2014
The 7,000-Year Story of Maiz on Tortillas
Dear Readers Who Are Not Chicana/o
Before Television, there was the radio
BOOKS AND PRINT MEDIA
Painless Spanish by Carlos B. Vega breaks record selling
Vaqueros in Blue and Gray by Jerry D.ThompsonJuana Bordas commenced a
Wisdom Newsletter and invites readership.
Aztlan Libre Press
How America’s Most Dynamic Population Is Poised to Transform the
Politics of the Nation
The World War I Diary of José de la Luz Sáenz by Emilio Zamora (Editor),
J. Luz Sáenz, Ben Maya (Translator)
John Phillip Santos' list of the greatest Texas books ever written.
ORANGE COUNTY, CA
SHHAR Sephardic Workshop, November 8, 2014, Opened doors of
Understanding
Westminster, CA Latinos in WWII and Korean War
Heritage Museum of Orange County, November 20th, 2010 and November 15th,
2014
LOS ANGELES COUNTY
Guy Gabaldon Clay Bust Unveiled at the Opening of the Guy Gabaldon
Apartments
Guy Gabaldon Apartments for Veterans in Boyle Heights
The Los Angeles Shrine Auditorium
Los Angeles and the Anglos' "Indian Problem" of the Transitional era,
1848-1870
CALIFORNIA
Maria Josefa Grijalva de Yorba 1766-1830
Josefa's Story
California's Day of the Teacher by Galal Kernahan
Who Owned Tia Juana by Galal Kernahan
A Long Scar by Galal Kernahan
Sand Diego State University Receives Feminist Gracia Molina de Pick
Life's
NORTHWESTERN, US
Joseph Mendez Parr & Family of Arvada, Colorado
10th Annual Hispanic Film Festival
SOUTHWESTERN, US
My Days as a Colonist/ Soldier with Don Jun de Onate - Part 10 by Louis
F. Serna
Youtube: episode in the history of Don Juan de Onate in New Mexico
Veteran's Memorial in Arizona
TEXAS
Statue of Col. José de Escandón
The Box Bravo Family in Zapata County by Gilberto Quezada
The View Through the Lens: Capturing cultural Shifts Within the Latino
Barrios of Dallas
López: Believer, learner, or skeptic? Which are you? By José Antonio
López
Lopez: First Texas First Lady (Maria Josefa Uribe Gutiérrez de Lara) By
José Antonio López
Phil Collins Gives Vast Alamo Collection to Texas
University of Texas, El Paso Borderlands History Conference Nov 6-7,
2015
What is Storycorps?
Texas Day by Day website
Canary Islanders and Texas
Given Name Booklet Online by Crispen Rendon
MIDDLE AMERICA
Chicago Mexican Street Vendor of steamed corn, send his children to med
and law school.
Spanish roots in New Iberia give birth to El Festival Espanol de Nueva
Iberia
La Asociacion Espanola de Nueva Iberia, Louisiana
Isidro Fabela Foundation, chapter Illinois
Los Islenos Heritage and Cultural Society, November 2014 Newsletter
Alabama Banned Sharia Law
EAST COAST
December 20, 2014: Navidad en el Viejo San Agustin/ Christmas in Old
St.Augustine,
A Room of Her Own: My Mother's Altar, an installation by Sandra Cisneros
From Slum to Center by Joe Sanchez
AFRICAN-AMERICAN
Buffalo Soldiers
Negro? Prieto? Moreno? A Question of Identity for Black Mexicans by
Randal C. Archibold
Confederate officer James Malbone's Civil War diary
Race Mixture in the History of Latin America
INDIGENOUS
Sunset Hills, Missouri and its Prehistoric Past
U.S. Census Bureau: American Indian and Alaska Native Heritage Month
SEPHARDIC
The de Riberas by Michael Perez, Chapter 1
Can Sephardic Judaism be Reconstructed?
The Sephardic History: The Jewish Theological Seminary, Part I
Fire and Song: The story of Luis de Carvajal and the Mexican Inquisition
The Conquistadores and Crypto-Jews of Monterrey
Consolidated Jewish Surname Index
Sephardim.Com
Witchcraft & Judaism by Rabbi Ahron Lopiansk
ARCHAEOLOGY
Mexico archaeologists explore Teotihuacan tunnel by E. Eduardo Castillo
2,200-year-old altar found on Italo-Greek shipwreck
What do you think? Aztecs Helped by Space Travelers
Sobre Natural y Asi
MEXICO
Luna sobre Ayotzinapa/Moon Over Ayotzinapa by Rafael Jesús González
Mexico Missing Case: Students March in Solidarity
Guerra de Intervención Norteamericana 1846-1848
Mexico: Esporter of Its Population
Familias descendientes de Don Carlos Gomez Villarreal y de
Don Guillermo García Welsh, de Montemorelos, N.L.
2000 Tesis en Formato Digital
Ceremonia del XX Aniversario de la Sociedad de Genealogía de Nuevo León
El bautismo de Don José María Roa y Bárcena, Político, Historiador,
Novelista, Periodista,
Defunción del General de División Francisco Murguía López de Lara
Información Matrimonial de Don Angel García Peña y de Doña Guadalupe
Armendariz García
CENTRAL & SOUTH AMERICA
Facts stranger than fiction: the story of Don Blas de Lezo
The repairing of the Christ the Redeemer Statue in Rio (Video)
Recreating the San Salvador: A Fighting Top Goes Up and Cannon Gets
Fired
CUBA, PUERTO RICO & CARIBBEAN
The ARMY Magazine endorsed the Borinqueneers CGM initiative.
Méritos y servicios:Antonio Carvajal de y otros
PHILIPPINES
Finally it is Autumn Again by Poppo Olag
SPAIN
Sociedad de Estudios Genealógicos y Heráldicos de Canarias
UNESCO sinks claim Haiti wreck was Christopher Columbus's ship
Remains of French ship being reassembled in Texas
Boletín de Genealogías Colombianas
INTERNATIONAL
Seasons' Greetings to Everybody by Eddie AAA Calderón, Ph.D.
Human Kindness in 4 minutes flat
List of Governors of the Duchy of Milan
Pope Francis Declares Evolution and Big Bang Theory Are Right by Adam
Withnall
A German's View on Islam
Sharia controlled zone' in Germany: Group of young Muslims patrolling
city streets
The United Arab Emirates and Saudi War on the Muslim Brotherhood Could
Be Trouble for the U.S.
Hola Members ,I am trying to see how many Francisco de Orozcos there are cause I am getting confused.
I have a Francisco de Orozco born to a Francisco de Orozco and Magdalena Gomez de Portugal around 1645.
A Francisco de Orozco married to a Catalina de Arriola who had an Angela de Orozco marries to Juan Perez Gallo.
A Francisco de Orozco married to Ines de Villegas.
What am understanding (I think ) that Francisco was married 3 times. Magadalena Gomez de Portugal,Ines de Villegas and Catalina de Arriola. If so I don't know where Catalina de Arriola fits in. Any thoughts ?
Thank you for your time
Ronnie
I found this reference where it mentions "De La Hacienda De Minillas"
I've advanced my Ruiz line to Diego Ruiz-Nunes, md to Luisa or Catalina
Delgadillo, by way of their son, also Diego Ruz-Nunes and his wife, Anna
Gonzalez de Hermosillo, natural daughter of Pedro Gutierrez de Hermosillo.
Two of Diego and Anna's four children that I have identified where
baptized in Cuquio, Jalisco: Blas b. 6 Feb, 1676, md to 23 Jan 1718 in
Cuquio to Catharina de Lisarde; Diego b 15 Sep 1691. Their other two
children are Cayatano who md Juana Rovalcaba Estrada in Cuquio 4 Feb 1712,
and Paula, who md Melchor Rubalcaba y Rodriguez de Frias.
My sources are my research on familysearch.com and Retonos de la Nueva
Galicia, Tomo VII, p 179.
I have no idea where Diego Ruiz-Nunes and Luisa or Catalina Delgadillo
live. They probably were born mid1600s. Anyone else researching this
family?
I would appreciate any assistance or suggestions anyone might have.
Thank you.
Raquel Ruiz
Hola a todos,
Me ha interesado mucho uno de los temas que se han tocado últimamente en el foro y es el de las pruebas de ADN para conocer con mejor precisión el origen étnico de nuestros antepasados. Ya que estudio Medicina conozco bien el fundamento de estas pruebas por lo que mis dudas van en relación a lo siguiente:
Estuve leyendo que las principales compañías que realizan estas pruebas son FamilyTreeDNA y National Geographic a través de The Genographic Project, y por lo que ví me convence más la segunda opción. Sin embargo, me gustaría saber, ¿Cuál ha sido su experiencia con las dos organizaciones en caso de que ya se hayan realizado estas pruebas?
Segundo, si vivo en México es posible realizar todo el procedimiento de envío y reenvío del kit con las muestras? Alguien de ustedes que viva en México ha podido hacerlo?
De antemano les agradezco sus respuestas.
Enrique Agraz
I just watched the show (I'm on the East Coast). It was excellent! I am
wondering if Maria Cortez or anyone else can share how/where one goes about
testing Native American DNA at the level described in this episode by
Carlos Bustamante of Stanford University. Also, does anyone know how much
African DNA one needs to have to be able to obtain more specific
information re areas of origin in Africa than the larger regional areas
provided by FTDNA? And where one would get it done? I looked at the
23andMe website but it didn't really offer much information.
Hopefully this gets posted in time to encourage more member to watch the
program!
I have a partial transcription of Libro 80 from marriages in Jalpa
covering 1685-1712.
I'm hoping that you can identify some of the names listed below. For
instance, I was able to ascertain that "Domingo Seballos i Castañeda"
is the same person that had been married to "Maria Garcia de la Vera"
in Nochistlan (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15187-51580-36?cc=1804458&wc…)
I'm listing only the entries with last names as those would be
identifiable. Apologies in advance for the lack of formatting, but I
tried separating the entries using an "|":
Año | Contrayente | Comentario | Padres del contrayente | Contrayenta
| Comentario | Padres de la contrayenta
1712 | Eugenio de Figueroa | Viudo de Ana Maria | | Juana Micaela | |
Juan Miguel y Maria Magdalena
1712 | Juan de la Cruz | | Juan de la Cruz y Catarina Basques |
Antonia Rodriguez | | Antonio de la Baltasar y Laila de la Cruz
1712 | Marcos de la Cruz | Viudo de Maria de la Consepsion | | Maria
Casilda | | Bernabe de Castro y Antonia de Vega
1712 | Domingo Seballos i Castañeda | Viudo de Maria Garcia | | Petra
Flores | | Pedro Flores y Maria Galdauna
1712 | Pedro Hernandez | | Francisco Lazaro y Maria | Maria Magdalena
| | Juan Sebastian y Cathalina Isabel
1712 | Juan Alonco | | Diego Zacarias y Maria de Naba | Maria
Magdalena | | Juan Martin y Ana
1712 | Joseph Antonio (Horelas) | | Nicolas y Juana Garcia | Maria
Magdalena | | Antonio de Abila y Dorotea
1712 | | Bautismo de Francisco hijo de Pedro Sánchez y Nicolasa de
Villaseñor | | | |
1684 | Gaspar de los Reyes | | | | Lusia Clara Hernandez |
1686 | Martin Sebastian | | Diego Jacobo y Ana Sebastiana | | Ysabel
Sanchez | Martin de Espinola y Beatriz Nuñez
1686 | Antonio de la Torre | | Joseph de la Torre y Francisca
Michaela | | Chatalina Lucia |
1686 | Francisco Hernandez | | (Falta nombre del padre) y Cathalina |
| Maria Lucia | Fabian Sebastian y Ana Marta
1686 | Andrés de Espinosa | | Martin de Espinosa y Beatriz Nuñez | |
Maria Lucia | Andrés Martin y Juana Clara
1686 | Lazaro de Albarado | | Nicolas de Albarado y Catalina | | Maria
Viral | Pedro Esteban y Maria Angela
1686 | Nicolas de la Cruz | | Melchor de los Reyes y Chatalina Agueda
| | Petrona de Abila | Francisco Lazaro y Ana Maria
1687 | Nicolas Hernandez | | | | Ana |
1687 | Pablo | Sirviente de Sebastian Flores | | | Petrona Beatriz |
1687 | Gregorio de Abila | Feliphe de Abila y Ana de Vera | | | Juana
Arias de Baldez | Bernardo Arias y Petronila de Sandoval
1685 | Gaspar Perez | | | | Catalina Lucia |
1685 | Gaspar de los Reyes | | Gabriel Hernandez y Pasquala Elbira | |
Juana | Juan Diego y Clara Maria
The Nuestros Ranchos website will be taken down the morning of Saturday November 29 for approximately three hours. If there are no technical difficulties, the site should be back up and running by noon Eastern time.
El sitio Nuestros Ranchos quedara suspendido por la mañana el sábado 29 de noviembre por aproximadamente tres horas. Si no hay problemas técnicos, el sitio estará funcionando de nuevo para mediodía tiempo del este.
For the past two weeks I have been putting names in the search field in an attempt to retrieve old postings that I want to update with my latest research. What pops up is "ERROR". Is this happening to other members?
RA Ricci
Hello,
Question, I noticed that when I post a new topic never comes up with the Tag "New" or "Nuevo". How do you make your post to come up with this tag?
Happy Thanksgiving!
Susana
Hola,
Estoy buscando la fuente documental para asegurar que Bernarda Chavez y Banuelos (casada con Tomas de Vela en Tlaltenango aprox. 1660) fue hija de el Capitán Juan de Chavez y Banuelos y de Isabel Ruiz de Soto y Almeida. Dicha información la he encontrado en varias genealogías publicadas en linea; pero desafortunadamente sin listar la fuente documental para unir a Bernarda con su "padre" Juan. Cualquier información se agradecería.
Gracias de antemano
Susana
hi,
I'm looking for the documental source to ensure that Bernarda Chavez y Banuelos (married to Thomas de Vela in Tlaltenango approx. 1660) was the daughter of Captain Juan de Chavez y Banuelos and Isabel de Soto y Ruiz Almeida. I found this information on several online genealogies published on-line; but unfortunately they don't list the source to link Bernarda to her father Juan. Any information is appreciated.
Thanks in advance
Susana
Hola Members ,I need help reading the parents names of Joseph Cristobal de Chavez and Maria Catarina de Tejada
matrimonios-Teocaltiche-1768-1782 image # 39.
It reads Pedro de Chavez and ????? the rest.
Thank you for your time
Ronnie
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Just wanted to remind everyone that Maria Cortez and several others from the
nuestrosranchos.org group helped with the research in the "Finding Your
Roots" PBS show that examines Jessica Alba's family history on Tuesday,
November 25th. Please spread the word.
Thanks,
Joseph
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Joseph Puentes
Clean@h2opodcast.com
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html
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Hola a todos, mi nombre es Mario Gonzalez Gomez vivo en la cd de mexico, soy
nuevo en este foro al igual que ustedes estoy interesado en conocer mis
origenes, mi familia materna es originaria de lagos de moreno, antes Santa
Maria de los lagos. Si alguien puede decirme algunos datos que incrementen
ramas de mi arbol genealogico le agradecere profundamente, los apellidos
relacionados con mi famlia son; Gomez, Ramirez, Tavares, Ortiz, Collazo,
Gonzalez. Les presento el avance que tengo.
1.- EligioTavares se caso con Juliana Ortiz en Santa Maria de los Lagos
Jalisco. En el año de 1862
su hijos:
a) Plasida Tavares Ortiz ( 1865 Santa Maria de los lagos)
b) Sostenes Tavares Ortiz (1874 Santa Maria de los lagos)
c) Cayetana Tavares Ortiz (1878 Santa Maria de los lagos)
d) Andres Tavares Ortiz (1880 Santa Maria de Los lagos
2.- Andres Tavares Ortiz se caso con Julia Gomez Collazo
sus hijos
a) Felipa Tavares Gomez (1917 Encarnación de Diaz Jalisco)
b) Marcos Tavares Gomez
c) Pedro Tavares Gomez
d) Guadalupe Tavares Gomez
e) inocencia Tavares Gomez
3.- Felipa Tavarez Gomez se caso con Refugio Gomez Ramírez en 1935 en Lagos
de Moreno Jalisco
sus hijos
a) Esther Gomez Tavares
b) Juan Gomez Tavares
c) Pascuala Gomez Tavares
d) Beatriz Gomez Tavares
e) Angel Gomez Tavares
f) Cristina Gomez Tavares
g) Martha Gomez Tavares
h) Antonia Gomez Tavares
i) Raul Gomez Tavares
4.- Beatriz Gomez se caso con Leopoldo Gonzalez Ramirez en 1964 Naucalpan
Mexico
sus Hijos
a) Mario Gonzalez Gomez
b) Alfonso Gonzalez Gomez
c) Leopoldo Gonzalez Gomez
d) Angel Gonzalez Gomez
e) Ricardo Gonzalez Gomez
f) Beatriz Adriana Gonzalez Gomez
Espero contribuir a alguien mas que busca ver creser su arbol genealogico.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18412-14267-72?cc=1874591&wc…
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18412-13289-90?cc=1874591&wc…
i know i haven't been update guadalajaradispensas that often but i haven't given up on indexing yet. right now i'm making progress indexing the third part of the 1834 marriage records part 3, and the link above are two different ones i just came about a bit ago and decided to share since they were a bit off and for the first link, i'm not sure why the couple needed the dispensation.
I have recently joined the group and want to take this opportunity to
introduce myself. My name is Sheila Prader and I have several ancestors
from Jalisco, including Los Altos de Jalisco. Some of my locations are
Venustiano Carranza (San Gabriel), Sayula, Etzatlan, Arandas, Ayo el Chico,
Tepatitlan, La Barca and Ocotlan.
Some of my Jalisco surnames are Mojica, Guerrero, Ramos, Cano, Romero y
Chaves, Hernandez Gamino, Martin del Campo, Plasencia, Ochoa Garibai,
Vasquez, Salcedo and Acebes as well as many others.
I have done a lot of parish/diocesan record research and have some knowlege
of other record groups. I'm familiar with the compound surname system often
used in Los Altos as well as the surname fluidity I have seen others
mentioning in the archived posts. This practice of alternative surnames
used by both males and females during their lives (and in records after
their deaths, as when they are named as grandparents) also occurs in
Portuguese records and in some Spanish records as well. I am a proponent of
systematically reading entire rolls of microfilm, alternating between
baptisms, marriages and deaths in 10-year time spans, and extracting records
of anyone with the same surnames in the same time periods in order to
reconstruct related families. I learned this from George Ryskamp, for whom
I used to work as a research assistant. I don't pretend to be more than a
very lucky of student of his. The phenomenon of surname fluidity is also
something George was researching and writing about several years ago.
I also have early California ancestry and I have spent more years
reconstructing the early California lines and descendencies of others than
my own in Jalisco. I am looking forward to getting back into my own lines
and hopefully extending some into parishes in Spain and the Basque
provinces.
My work schedule will not allow me to be a constant contributor to the
mailing lists, but I will participate as I can and I look forward to
connecting con mis primos y primas.
--Sheila P.
I am posting a copy of a Baptism record on Photobucket and testing the link.
http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae280/PappyRod/DOCUMENTS/SandobalBea…
If you can successfully copy and paste, can someone please translate what follows Juana Ponze?
....nazio abeynte, etc.
This is the original link to FamilySearch:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-16087-72629-39?cc=1804458&wc…
Thanks,
Roy
Hola this is a test run to see if my e-mail to Nuestros Ranchos works
Ronnie
me pueden enviar mi nombre de usuario para poder entrar gracias
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> I would like to invite you to attend a lecture on the Colony of La Nueva M?xico, 1598-1848. If you would like to learn more about the history of New Mexico and how it helps in the research of family history then this presentation is for you. There will be a presentation on the subject on November 21, at 3:30 PM, through the University of New Mexico Continuing Education program.
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From: Angel R. Cervantes [mailto:angelrcervantes@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2014 11:27 PM
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Subject: The Colony of La Nueva México, 1598-1848
Hello,
I would like to invite you to attend a lecture on the Colony of La Nueva México, 1598-1848. If you would like to learn more about the history of New Mexico and how it helps in the research of family history then this presentation is for you. There will be a presentation on the subject on November 21, at 3:30 PM, through the University of New Mexico Continuing Education program.
Here is a link to sign up for the presentation:
http://newmexico.augusoft.net/index.cfm?method=ClassInfo.ClassInformati… &int_class_id=64876
Best Regards,
Ángel de Cervantes
Project Administrator
New Mexico DNA Project
Iberian Peninsula DNA Project
P.S. For more information contact Angel
I’ve been looking at this information about Teodoro de Alba for quite a while and it remains a puzzle to me. Perhaps because we had so little information to start with, it is difficult to trust the evidence once it appears.
One of my great grandfathers, Theodore “Dad” Alby was from Mexico. His birth name was Teodoro de Alba. The family story has it that he was born in San Juan de los Lagos, in the state of Jalisco, Mexico and crossed into the USA when he was still a teenager. His mother’s last name was Gonzales and his father’s was Alba. We don’t have their first names. He had two brothers, Francisco and Miguel. He disliked his father who he said was Spanish and abandoned the family. His mother then took the children to live with her parents. We have no family letters, photos or other documents to verify any of this information. He died several years before I was born and his children have long since passed as well.
When Teodoro applied for citizenship in the 1930s, he stated that he was born on Nov. 9, 1856 and crossed the border at Laredo, Texas in July 1876. For the next 15 years we he is said to have been a cowboy on various ranches in Texas. In 1891, he married my g-grandmother in Bonham, Texas, and the remainder of his life is pretty well documented.
With guidance from Joseph, Armando and other on NR, I searched through microfilm of Catholic parish records from Mexico and found two documents of interest. The first records a christening dated 28 Nov. 1858 for Teodora, a daughter born twenty days earlier to Anastacio de Alba and Mariana Gonzales. The second is a marriage record dated June 17, 1876 for Teodoro de Alba, 18 years of age, whose parents are also Anastacio de Alba and Mariana Gonzales. This was long before sex change operations, so it seems most likely to me that the priest made a mistake and these two documents refer to the same person. Also, if you compute Teodora's birth date to 20 days before Nov 28 it would be Nov. 8, just one day off from Nov. 9, the day my g-grandfather listed as his birthday on his immigration papers.
Anastacio de Alba and Mariana Gonzales also appear in other church records indicating they had two other sons, Jose Miguel de Alba and Francisco de Alba. This aligns with our family story of Teodoro having two brothers named Francisco and Miguel.
It is possible that I'm grasping at straws here, and this Teodoro/a is unrelated to my ancestor. However, I have found no other record of his existence in Mexico. And, I have seen enough errors in census and other official records to know that pretty much any mistake is possible. So what do you think? Did the priest make a mistake? Do enough facts line up to constitute a "preponderance of evidence". How likely is this to be my Mexican family?
Please excuse my lousy translations (and feel free to correct). And thanks for looking,
Steve Compton
Christening Record for Teodora de Alva
Ledesema, Jalisco, Mexico
En la Iglesia de Ledesema, en la parroquia de Ojuelos, en veinte ocho de Noviembre, de mil ocho ciento ciencuenta y ocho, yo el Presbitero Don Sebastian Merondo, con licencia parroco, bautise solemnemente a Teodora de veinte dias a las tres de la tarde en Palo-alto, hija legitima de Anatascio de Alva y de Mariana Gonsales. Abuelos paternos Antonio de Alva y Feliciana Jaime. Abuelos maternos Relles Gonsales y Sanjuana Guzman fueron sus Padrinos Dario de Alva y Isabel Jamie a quienes adverti su obligacion y para que conste lo firme,
Sebastian Merondo
Translation:
In the Church of Ledesma, parish of Ojuelos, on the 28th of November, 1858, I the priest Don Sebastian Merondo, with parish license, solemnly baptize Teodora, born 20 days ago at three in the afternoon in Palo Alto, legitimate daughter of Anastasio Alva and of Mariana Gonsales. Paternal grandparents Antonio de Alva and Feliciana Jaime. Maternal grandparents Relles (Reyes) Gonsales and Sanjuana Guzman. The godparents Dario de Alva and Isabel Jamie who were advised of their obligations and witnessed by my signature,
Sebastian Merondo
Marriage record for Teodoro de Alva
San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, Mexico
En las ciudad de San Juan a siete de Junio de mil ochociento setenta y seis, yo el Presbitero Don Tebronio Ponce, Teniente de Cura de esta parroquia, con licencia del San Cural, habiendose practicado la correspondente informacion matrimonial, precedida que fueron tres amonestaciones en los dias veinticinco, veintiseis de Marzo, y dos de Abril de presente ano, de que no result impedimiento alguno, habiendo confesado y comulgado e instruidos en los doctrinas cristianas, case y vele infaccie ecclecial al Teodoro de Alva, originario y vecino de esta feligresia en el rancho de Frujillos, soltero de diesyocho anos de edad; hijo legitimo de Anastasio de Alva, difunto y de Mariana Gonzales que vive. Con Ysabel Guerrero, originaria de la feligr’ de Jalos en el rancho de Labor de Abalsa y vecina de esta Fruqillos hace cuatro anos, celibe de dies y nueve anos de edad hija natural de Maria Jorge Placencia que vive, fueron sus padrinos Francisco de Alva y Proniacia Peones; y testigos Don Elieco Gallardo e Yldefonzo Gutierres, lo que para constancia firme con el San Cural,
Sr. Jacinto Reynosa
Translation:
In the city of San Juan (de los Lagos) on June 7, 1876, I the priest Don Febronio Ponce, deputy (or interim) priest of this parish, with license of holy church, three admonitions that were preceded on the 25th of March and 2nd of April of this year that resulted in no impediment whatsoever, having confessed and received communion and instructed in Christian doctrines, marry and ensure in the presence of the congregation Teodoro de Alba, native and resident of this parish in the Frujillos ranch, a single man 18 years of age, legitimate son of Anastasio de Alva, deceased and Mariana Gonzales, living, with Isabel Guerrero, native of the parish of Jalos in the Labor of Abalsa ranch and resident of this parish for four years, virgin 19 years of age, natural daughter of Maria Jorge Placencia, living. The marriage godparents are Francisco de Alva and Proniacia Peones; and witnesses Don Elieco Gallardo and Idelfonzo Gutierres. Witnessed by the signature of the holy church,
Sr. Jacinto Reynosa
I have been studying the Macias Valades family, and have found this family which is causing some confusion.
Juan Valades (1st) m. Maria Rebollo (or Lopez Rebollo) and had at least two children:
--Juan Valades (2nd), no baptism found, but I estimate his birth as 1646/51, most likely in Aguascalientes
--Nicolas Valades, baptized 24 Jul 1652 in Aguascalientes
Juan Valades (2nd) married twice (1) Nicolasa de Castaneda, 23 Feb 1671, Aguascalientes and (2) Maria Romo de Vivar, 4 Feb 1690, in Aguascalientes.
By (1) Nicolasa, he had
--Juana Valades, buried 11 Jun 1743, in Aguascalientes, wife of Miguel Altuna
By (2) Maria, he had
--(i) Joseph Manuel Valades, bapt. 20 Apr 1694,
--(ii) Isidro Valades, bapt. 9 Jun 1700,
--(iii) Juan Valades (3rd), bapt. 16 Dec 1702, and
--(iv) Joseph Joaquin Valades, b. abt 1620, and who married Maria del Carmen Jimenez, 29 Dec 1744. All baptisms and marriages are in Aguascalientes.
(iv) Joseph Joaquin Valades and Maria del Carmen Jimeenez had a daughter, Maria Antonia Valades, who married Jose Antonio Zermeno on 13 Jul 1768, in Aguascalientes.
The baptismal and marriage records consistently use only the surname "Valades," but there are some posted genealogies that use the surname "Macias Valades," but provide no explanation. They also do not go further back than Juan (1st) Valades.
I cannot yet place Juan Valades (who m. Maria Rebollo) anywhere as a descendant of Blas Macias (or Macias Valades).
Can anyone offer any insight?
George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA
Thanks Maria for your work on this program. My wife and I have been
enjoying this series. I recently saw Aaron Sanchez's family story on this
program and enjoyed it very much. It was good to see some Mexican ancestry
featured on television. Looking forward to more of your work.
Juan Manuel Carrillo
