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Welcome Hector!  You could do no better than to join this group.  I've had so
much help from everyone at Nuestros Ranchos.  I made my daughter a promise I
would work on our family tree, with the help of NR staff, and Family Search,
I have found my grandfather and back 5 more to 1712.  Stick with Nuestros
Ranchos they will lead you in the right direction and it will be like going on a
tresure hunt.  Good Luck!

 
Ann M. Gutierrez
Chicago, IL USA

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From: Hector Guerra
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thu, October 25, 2012 6:03:10 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Encarnacion de Diaz

Hello everybody!  My name is Hector Guerra.  My family is originally from
Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco, better known as "La Chona"!!  I spent a lot
of time as a child in that town and its surrounding ranchos.  My curiosity
for the history of the area as well my ancestors started at a young age.  I
remember a time when I made it a goal to visit as many churches as possible
in that area because the architecture fascinated me.  That was when I was
9!  My father being a good father took me to all those places.  Having the
desire to investigate and learn drove me to ask my older relatives where I
came from.  Who where my great grandfathers and Great Grandmothers?  I
started my tree early on by asking first hand.  I went back to the 1800's
and that was amazing!

Now as an adult I find myself wondering if I can go farther back.  I
realize that a lot is out there for me to find, and that the tools are out
there.  I also realize that with a group like this I can help others with
their journey.  My father was a great man and he taught and shared a lot
with me, however he lost a battle with cancer.  I want to research my past
along with anybody that can help to know more about my families roots.  I
already feel more in tuned with my ancestors stories with the little I have
been able to grasp in the short time I have been looking.  So if you can
help, I would love the support and encouragement.  And if I can help any of
you, please do not hesitate to call on me.

My father was born in "Las Pilas" his last name was Guerra and De Santos.
The farthest I have been able to go back in "Guerra" is (Nicolas Guerra)
and i believe he was the son of Ygnacio Guerra. He also married Bernarda
Gallo. This is my emphasis right now.  The farthest I have in De Santos is
"Margarito De Santos" from Las Pilas and he married Ma.Filomena
Macias(Macias from San Felipe, GTO)

My Mother was born in "Bajio de San Jose" her last name is Polina and De
Santos.  The Farthest I have in Polina is Saturnino Polina, and he was
married to Gabriela Lara.  Son Of Juan Polina and Bacilia Velazquez or
Velazco.  In the De Santos I have Severo De Santos, who was married to Ma.
Cleta Estrada.  The Polina is mainly from Bajio, Rangel, and La Chona.  De
Santos is "Las Pilas"

I often make trips to the area, so I am also willing to ask questions for
any of you or reasearch there in el Panteon.  My Family still is
contstantly vacationing there, in fact we live in "Bario Alto"

If anybody can help me with the Guerra line, like I mentioned I would
greatly appreciate it.  This past summer my family walked through the
Hacienda in el Meson, and I wondered how I was connected to that Guerra!

Thank you in advanced!

Hector Guerra Polina

I am trying to put one together. Is there a suggested site? Wikitree? Any
advice is welcomed. Thanks for the email.

Hector Guerra Polina.
On Oct 25, 2012 4:02 PM, "Hector Guerra" wrote:

> Hello everybody! My name is Hector Guerra. My family is originally from
> Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco, better known as "La Chona"!! I spent a lot
> of time as a child in that town and its surrounding ranchos. My curiosity
> for the history of the area as well my ancestors started at a young age. I
> remember a time when I made it a goal to visit as many churches as possible
> in that area because the architecture fascinated me. That was when I was
> 9! My father being a good father took me to all those places. Having the
> desire to investigate and learn drove me to ask my older relatives where I
> came from. Who where my great grandfathers and Great Grandmothers? I
> started my tree early on by asking first hand. I went back to the 1800's
> and that was amazing!
>
> Now as an adult I find myself wondering if I can go farther back. I
> realize that a lot is out there for me to find, and that the tools are out
> there. I also realize that with a group like this I can help others with
> their journey. My father was a great man and he taught and shared a lot
> with me, however he lost a battle with cancer. I want to research my past
> along with anybody that can help to know more about my families roots. I
> already feel more in tuned with my ancestors stories with the little I have
> been able to grasp in the short time I have been looking. So if you can
> help, I would love the support and encouragement. And if I can help any of
> you, please do not hesitate to call on me.
>
> My father was born in "Las Pilas" his last name was Guerra and De Santos.
> The farthest I have been able to go back in "Guerra" is (Nicolas Guerra)
> and i believe he was the son of Ygnacio Guerra. He also married Bernarda
> Gallo. This is my emphasis right now. The farthest I have in De Santos is
> "Margarito De Santos" from Las Pilas and he married Ma.Filomena
> Macias(Macias from San Felipe, GTO)
>
> My Mother was born in "Bajio de San Jose" her last name is Polina and De
> Santos. The Farthest I have in Polina is Saturnino Polina, and he was
> married to Gabriela Lara. Son Of Juan Polina and Bacilia Velazquez or
> Velazco. In the De Santos I have Severo De Santos, who was married to Ma.
> Cleta Estrada. The Polina is mainly from Bajio, Rangel, and La Chona. De
> Santos is "Las Pilas"
>
> I often make trips to the area, so I am also willing to ask questions for
> any of you or reasearch there in el Panteon. My Family still is
> contstantly vacationing there, in fact we live in "Bario Alto"
>
> If anybody can help me with the Guerra line, like I mentioned I would
> greatly appreciate it. This past summer my family walked through the
> Hacienda in el Meson, and I wondered how I was connected to that Guerra!
>
> Thank you in advanced!
>
> Hector Guerra Polina
>

The maintenance window at Family Search seemed to take a long time. I discovered I could get to the site through another computer, but not at home. Which seemed odd.

At my home computer, I tried deleting my browsing history, and then was able to get back to the site right away. I am running Mozilla Firefox on a pc with Vista.

Try deleting your browser history, it may solve the problem.

By the way, Family Search is up and running now (8:13 PM, Pacific time).

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Ann,

R1b1b2a1a2C is also known as SRY2627+ it is found mostly in Spain and
France. It is a descendant of L176.2+. There is a combined FamilyTreeDNA
project for both of those subclades at
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R1b1c6/default.aspx?section=ycolori…

You can transfer your sons 23andme results to FamilyTreeDNA in order to
join the project. That would also give you a chance to join the Mexico DNA
project at http://garyfelix.tripod.com/~GaryFelix/index63.htm (Takes a long
time to load)

There is a map of the frequency of subclade R1b1b2a1a2C SRY2627+ in Spain
at http://www.iberianroots.com/Images/spain%20R-SRY2627%20percent.png

You can see how all of the R1b subclades relate to each other at
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1b_Y-DNA.shtml#R1b-subclades

Armando

On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Ann M. Gutierrez <
agutierrez07@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> Hi Judy, my Mother's family and my in-laws were also from the area of
> Jalostotitlan, Jalisco. In fact, so far I have traced my Mother's father
back
> to 1712. All the Gutierrez clan from around Jalos and Arandas, Jalisco.
My
> oldest son, tested with 23&Me, he test 92% European and 8% Asian. His
Maternal
> Haplogroup is A2. His Paternal Haplogroup is R1b1b2a1a2C. The R1b1b2 is
the
> most common haplogroup in western Europe. How did you trace your
ancestry to
> Andalucia? Please let me know as I'm still searching also. Let's keep in
> touch.
>
> Ann M. Gutierrez
> Chicago, IL
>

Hello Emilie and Daniel:

Yes, I will plan better my time. Genealogy is amazing but it should not be an addiction, well at least not at my age. I can make an space in the day for family's research but after I've done my duties. I've invited some times my family members to participate with me but they don't like it to much. I have always hoped to have a girlfriend that likes Genealogy like me, it would be kind of another world to do research together. I remember that I encouraged a past girlfriend to investigate about her arabic ancestry, since her greatgrandfather was from Lebanon I think, but at the end it wasn't possible. Maybe some of you that are married, share this hobbie with your couple but personally most of the people I know find genealogy boring.

Daniel, is good to hear that you're studying to be a lawyer. Next scholar year i'm entering to university. I think i'm studying Medicine or Dentist since my father is a doctor and my mother a dentist, and I also like it.

Thanks for your advices,
Enrique

Add me to the list of the young on NR. I'm shocked to find so many of us around here! I only started really researching my ancestors a few years ago, having known I always wanted to. The best tip for the young researcher is to talk to grandparents and grand-aunts/uncles or anyone they can and take notes, and more notes! I remember even writing down a name my informant wasn't exactly sure how to pronounce fully because of lack of memory - but it ended up being a huge help in making a decision on which couple (two sets w/ same names) I should further research - I finally located certain 2nd great-grandparents on one branch I could never find before. It really is interesting to learn the history of the area your family is from... And to know, in my case, that ancestors have lived within 50 miles of where your own grandparents were born for at least 200 years. I have to aquire more skills to push into the earlier 1700s and onto the 1600s though. Time for genealogy is tricky with school/work, but it is a great hobby. Michael D. Castro

Hi Everyone,

Sorry if I am not constantly viewing the threads as much, I am doing lots of traveling. I like many in the group am one of those, "young genealogist." I am currently 19 years old. I remember growing up I had always been around genealogy, history, politics etc. It has been a passion and continues to be. Seeing the formation of your lines extend beyone number and creating research reports and taking part in serious investigations. I remember growing up, my grandfather and my mother were always researching and slowly and surely they allowed me to participate as young as age 12. I quickly learned the tricks and shortcuts, if you will. It is nice to know that young people are interested in genealogy.

Daniel Mendez de Torres Camino

Okay, this makes sense. I know lots of people, especially students, I study at Brigham Young University, who started out as "project" until the genealogy bug bit them. Now it is an addiction; I was one of them. I am fourth generation researcher, I have documents relating to the first known researcher in my family who was my ancestor Capt. Joseph de Camino Trasgallo, he traveled to Spain in the late 1700s to find baptismal, marriage records of his parents, grandparents and great-grandparents to prove his nobleza and revalidate a document we call Ejecutoria de Nobleza in 1794, a document of 142 pages that my family conserves till this day. Eventually, the genealogy bug came onto my grandfather, mother and now myself. Together we have done wonders in this world of research. Though they retired from serious research, I still keep up to date.

Daniel

Abram

Several of Nochistlan volumes of baptismal records have indexes, so when you find the person you need in the index, it will give you either a page or folio number. You don't need to look at every page for these records. If it says "Margarita 143" got to page 143 (or front side of folio 143); if it says "Margarita 143v," that means you go to the back side of folio 143.

When page numbers are used, every page (front and back) has a number. When folio numbers are used, the numbers are only on the front, or generally upper right hand corner of the front.

This should make it easy to find the record.

When you get to the point that you are using the Family Search searching feature, it will give you the date of record; you just look for the date. The records are in chronological order; there may be an ocassional record out of order, for these, just look in the preceding or following pages around the date of interest.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Honestly, there is no other way, especially when few extractions are available. I'm a rather young college student, but I can say if you "came from my generation" of researchers, you would have to turn page by page, roll by roll and the process took sometime, steady and surely results came in. I think it's such a blessing that most if not all films that pertain to my areas of research are online now. I would love to see more Spain films, but for Mexico, it has kept me busy. So much information out there just to be found. Just look at the dispensa that was provided you, which took you to 1825 or so. Most people would love to have such a document in their research. I can tell you be prepared for your lines to go into Teocaltiche, Aguascalientes and other parts of Zacatecas, we are talking about Nochistlan after all.

Daniel

Abram----There is no faster way. By searching page by page when you don't find someone in the index you often run into a record that gives you further leads, such as someone with the same parents. At least you can sit at home and search on the internet's Family Search where many, many records from Mexico now appear. When I first started over 12 years ago, we had to go to our local Family History Center at one of the Mormon churches and order the microfilms from their main archives in Salt Lake City (it used to cost six dollars per film for postage only), then wait more than two weeks or a month for the film to arrive, then go back to the center when the film arrived, load it onto microfilm readers, and turn the crank tediously looking at each image.

Now with the microfilm images online, it is easier and cheaper for the churches and the archives and the patrons. Also, the Ancestry.com databases (censuses, military records, border crossing records, etc) are very helpful. However, I no longer find their family trees all that helpful because the trolling robot software they use leads people astray. You will see the same ancestors on various trees with different descendants that can't possibly be, etc---such a mess). You have seen those ads on TV where it shows some guy saying "I clicked on the leaf, and I found that my parents lived next door to the Wright Brothers". It is not that easy----what if it wasn't his parents but someone with a similar name? They just want to hook people into subscribing by making it sound easy. What I usually find when I check the "shaking leaves"----no way could they be related except for a similar name---the location is wrong (California in the 1700s instead of Jalisco), or the birthdate i
s off by several years.

Don't neglect your homework at this stage in your life, however tempting it is to stay on the hunt for ancestors. Most of us here had years of school and long careers before we found the time to just sit for hours browsing the images. Just set apart a day when you can concentrate on the research so you don't feel pressed for time. You did a good thing by joining this group where you have experts on here who can tell you about places, history, do translations, help you read the old handwriting and abbreviations, and how to navigate the Family Search website.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: aflore2855@gmail.com
> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 23:53:00 -0800
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] It's time for some
>
> Abram Flores
> i have a question so what can i do so it can make my searching a little bit faster than just turning page by page?

Juan Manuel de Villanueva caso Isabel Gonzalez-Bermejo el 25 de abril de 1759
en Teocaltiche. Bautizaron por lo menos dos hijos Juana Maria 16 de julio de 1766
y Jose Eusevio el 15 de marzo de 1783 todos en Teocaltiche. Los tengo en mis archivos
pero aun no he estudiado esta linea. Le sugiero que ordene ese registro matrimonial.

Sobre tus Ruiz de Esparza unas de mis lineas Esparza proviene de Teocaltiche, podemos
ser parientes cercanos varios Bermejo de diferentes lineas llegaron a la misma vez
a Teocaltiche es imposible saber la posibilidad que cual de ellas sin estudiarlo profundamente.

Daniel Méndez y Camino

Mendeztorrez,

Hello there,
So im working on my Gonzalez de Bermejo line and i came across this thread so from my interpretation my ancestor Francisco Gonzalez Bermejo parents are Juan De La Cruz Bermejo and Andrea Gonzalez De Besares, and Juan De La Cruz Bermejo's parents are Alonso Martin-Bermejo and Isabel Lopez Gardea.My spanish isn't so great so i hope this is right.

Efectivamente, ellos son mis ancestros....y si quisiera me enviaras esa información.No tengo de donde sacarla, pues no vivo en Zacatecas.Muchas gracias de antemano. Una pregunta.....tienes conexion con ellos????

Saludos Amanda.