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Today is the first time I've opened the dispensations from la Sagrada Mitra.. what a gold mine has been shared with us! I can't even begin to thank you for the time and effort to do this and share it with us..
my gratitude..
Linda in Everett

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From: "lbouett@yahoo.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 3:40 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Dionisio Maldonado—I'm stuck!

I have been helping a friend with her Jalisco genealogy for about seven months, making use of the fabulous image collection of Registros Parroquiales that is online at FamilySearch.org, as well as the invaluable Dispensas that are online at GuadalajaraDispensas.com; however, there is the occasional frustration, and this is one:  the IGI lists a Dionisio Maldonado, baptised 18 February 1868 in Poncitlán, FHL Film 224655.

Dates are rather mixed and chaotic on this film; but I have searched between images 125 and 150 and have not been able to locate this baptism.  This situation has happened before, and it is highly frustrating.

Does anyone have Dionisio Maldonado in his or her database?  Has anyone located this image online?

Any assistance is greatly appreciated.

Lawrence Bouett
Lafayette, California

Are you sure she isn't María Isabel Alvarez? There are a lot of children of
Victoriano Ruiz and María Isabel Alvarez that show up in the search.

Armando

On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 9:17 PM, wrote:

> I can not Find these two Individuals Marriage they are both from
> Nochistlan Zacatecas Mexico any Help!! PLease??>!!

Barbara Andrews

It does appear to be Mesquia.

Pat

I think it is Mesquia (or Mesquias).

When I do a search for children of this couple, several come up in Santa Maria de los Angeles, Jalisco, in the 1820s..

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

This PBS documentary is quite enlightening on the issue of race in Mexico. It focuses on the history of Afro-Mexicans but addresses the issue of the Cosmic race and the political motivations behind having people "forget" their race. This was a deliberate attempt to counter the centuries under Spanish rule where legal rights were granted based on people's castes, which were largely based on race.

http://video.pbs.org/video/1915580662

It is highly unlikely that any Mexican whose family was in Mexico during colonial times does not have African blood somewhere down the line. The number of Africans brought to Mexico was quite large and they intermarried quite early in Mexican colonial history.

You should also take a look at the casta paintings in the Albums section of the site.

aflores: I am wondering why you think "Mexicans" don't have a race, only ethnicity. It has been my experience with Mexican-Americans and newly immigrated Mexicans that they themselves seem to think of "Mexican" as a race. I saw in Mexico that they classify themselves as "gueros" and "morenos", and in the case of a very large African American male tourist there with his family, a little brown-skinned girl said, "Mira los negritos", as if she was viewing something in a zoo.

Now that I have been into genealogy for years and seen the records of my ancestors in Mexico and New Mexico, I see that they were all races: Mulatto, Indio, Espanol, and in New Mexico, the tribe was identified----"Piro, Tigua, Manso, Apache, navajo", etc.

When I am asked to check the boxes, I check off first Hispanic (or Latino) since my folks spoke Spanish, but they did not follow the foods and customs of other Hispanics such as the Puerto Ricans and Cubans. Mexico is next door, many of our current states were once part of Mexico, so culturally that is what we are, no matter our color. As for race, I check Black, white, Native American, and Mixed. How they will eventually address that in their statistics, I don't know and don't care. I am all those.

That article in the New York times is exellent and seems to reflect our thinking as "Mexican-Americans" or "Latinos". Too bad people still make generalizations just from our outer appearance---color, etc.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: aflore2855@gmail.com
> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 00:05:54 -0800
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] WHY DON'T MEXICANS HAVE A RACE??
>
> I was wondering why Mexican people don't have a race only ethnicity?

There was some measure of controversy about this during the 2010 US Census campaign.

Perhaps this New York Times article can help explain a portion of sentiments on the topic:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/14/us/for-many-latinos-race-is-more-cult…

Saludos,
Claudia
www.guadalajaradispensas.com

Hi Alejandro,

Jose Maria Lomeli (mestizo) was babtized August 15, 1804: see the following
links:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18992-32698-98?cc=1874591&wc…

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NR2T-NQH

It looks like his paternal grandparents are: Julio de Lomelin and Marcela
de Xaurigue and maternal Granparents are Juan Jose de Los Reyes and Juana
Feliciana Santibanes.

Saludos,

Juan C. Aguayo

On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 5:51 PM, <7shagzilla7@gmail.com> wrote:

> It seems like I have hit a roadblock in my research and would really
> appreciate help or a pointing to the right direction. I feel like I've
> exhausted every possibility on Familysearch. My first Lomeli is my direct
> paternal line.I cant seem to find anybody beyond Jose Rafael Lomeli
> (married to Maria Olaya Manriquez, late 1700's i would presume) father and
> mother to Jose Maria Lomeli born 1805(married to Maria Vidala Jauregui
> 1808).
> My second Lomeli line comes from Maria Vidala Jauregui's mother
> Maria Paula Lomeli.Her father is Juan Angel Lomeli (1762)and his father was
> Gaspar de Lomeli(married to Marsela Casimira Marin).These lines are from
> Mexticacan Jalisco...possibly Nochistlan.It seems like many of my other
> family lines im tracing seem to blur or totally disappear in the mid or
> late 1700's.Im not an expert so any help would be greatly appreciated.
> thank you, Alejandro Lomeli El Paso,
> Tx

Searching for this couple at Family Search gives

groom's name: Bernabe Solis
bride's name: Maxima Rodriguez
marriage date: 05 Feb 1885
marriage place: Santa Maria Mecatabasco,Villa Del Refugio,Zacatecas,Mexico
indexing project (batch) number: M60121-7
system origin: Mexico-ODM
source film number: 1094877

The record is at image 312, and names their parents.

Searching for them as parents gives several children:

name: Catarina Solis
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 01 May 1899
baptism/christening place: Santa María Mecatabasco, Tabasco, Zacatecas, Mexico
father's name: Bernabe Solis
mother's name: Maxima Rodriguez
indexing project (batch) number: I01770-7
system origin: Mexico-EASy
source film number: 1094633

name: Eusebia De Jesus Solis
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 22 Aug 1895
baptism/christening place: Santa María Mecatabasco, Tabasco, Zacatecas, Mexico
father's name: Bernabe Solis
mother's name: Maximana Rodriguez
indexing project (batch) number: I01770-7
system origin: Mexico-EASy
source film number: 1094633

name: Jose Policarpo Soliz
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 29 Jan 1888
baptism/christening place: Tabasco, Zacatecas, Mexico
father's name: Bernave Soliz
mother's name: Maxima Rodriguez
indexing project (batch) number: I03205-7
system origin: Mexico-EASy
source film number: 1094631

Tabasco, ZAC films are available online at Family Search.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Pauline,

The index isn't always correct. You need to be a real sleuth. My system is give or take 10 pages before or 10 pages after what it states in the index. The birthdate isn't always at the top of the record, the first date on the record is usually the date of the baptism. The birth date will be a few lines below for that same record. Usually states the name of the child, his or her parents and then the birthdate. Each town is slightly different in how they make their entries.

Hope this helps.

________________________________
From: Pauline Avendano
To: "research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org"
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 6:22 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Help: Indice #10- what does that mean?

Hello Everyone,

I am very new to this group.  Help Please!

I think I may have located my grandfather's christening at the Family Search >Mexico>Zacatecas>Momax (Bautizo). I found his name at the front of the book and it stated Delfino Alvarez Pag. 10. I went in to page 10, I searched under his birthdate too and could not find it.
How do I locate the record as stated in the index?
Here is the link:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15206-2660-73?cc=1410092&wc=…

Any advice greatly appreciated. I am so excited. :)

Thanks,
Pauline

The essential facts are:

17 Apr 1825, Nochistlan (baptized)
15 Apr 1825, Etancia (birth)
Maria Hermenegilda Sanchez
h. l. Ramon Sanchez & Maria Carmen Cornejo
paternal grandparents*: Juan Sanchez & Maria Juna Gonzales
maternal grandparents**: Cristoval Cornejo & Maria Damasia Cervantes

Gonzales is abbreviated Gonzs

* abbreviated AbP
** abbreviated AbMts

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Pat,

The paternal grandfather's name is Balentin Mora and the paternal grandmother is Ricarda Amalla. Today it would most likely be spelled Amaya.

Hope this helps,
Alicia

________________________________
From: Pat Corbera
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 11:06 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Need help w/translation - Juana Maria Mora Robles

I would appreciate help with the translation of the AP names.

I have the AM as Rafales Robles y MariaTomasa Mora...but it's the AP that I can't read the grandfather's first name, his last name is Mora, the  grandmother is Ricarda not sure of her last name Amallo?

This record is located on the right side of Image 672 or 778 under the wording for Feb 1825 - it's the second record down for Juana Maria.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15094-3083-7?cc=1410092&wc=6…

Thank you,
Pat Silva Corbera
Tracy CA

I think you're going to family search>Mexico>Zacatecas and then the civil records for Zacatecas, they begin at 1860. What you need to do is go to the following for the church records which are more extensive.

familysearch>Mexico> and at the center of the page, you'll find Mexico Catholic Church Records Browse Images 21 Dec 2010. this is the date when the digitized Zacatecas Church records went on-line, click on it> next is Browse through 16,596,760 Images and all the states appear, then click on Zacatecas and you're in. Here's the link that takes you to Zacatecas.

https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A//api.famil…

Good luck, enjoy,

Alicia

________________________________
From: "leoaguilera@netzero.com"
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 1:22 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] zacatecas information from records only to 1860

Issue: are there more records than those in family search LDS UP TO THE 1860,
DISCUSSION:

You're welcome Austin! And welcome to the group; you'll learn a lot here from the members who are willing to share what they know. I did, and still do every day.

Saludos,
Claudia
www.guadalajaradispensas.com

Abram

Congratulations on finding this record! It is tough to read. The essential part is, I believe:

En nochistlan dos de Enero de setensientos i siete an bapt i puso oleo a Rosa Maria ... nacio a 22 del pasado hija de Marcos Velasco i Dorothea de llamas (??) fueron PP Antto Velasco i Maria Gonzales todos espanoles de este Pheligresia

In Nochistlan, 2 Jan 1707, baptized and annoited with oil Rosa Maria born the 22 of the past [month] daughter of Marcos Velasco and Dorothea de Llamas, the godparents were Antonio Velasco and Maria Gonzales, all Spanish, of this jurisdiction

I am not sure about Dorothea's last name. The Family Search index says "de Mamas," but I've not seen this name before, I have seen "de Llamas". Perhaps what they are seeing as "M" is actually "ll". Does anyone else have another opinion?

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Claudia

Thanks again for your selfless efforts! Your generosity is beyond words!!

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

No es suficiente con decir gracias, por compartirnos el fruto de tan arduo y constante trabajo. pero es lo minimo que debemos hacer.

MIL GRACIAS!!!

Miguel Beltran