Nuestros Ranchos Site

Yes, there is problem with FamilySearch. I have had problems in doing searches. And I just saw a message that was sent to the Admins of the Facebook pages for FamilySearch. Which said the following:

"Heads up-- there is a problem with FamilySearch today- a search is not possible in the collections after a big change was made in the collections- be patient is the answer- they will be up again soon the engineers are aware"

Jonathan

my problem is I can't get more than 10 pages and then the link breaks and it tell me to try again later.. I have to admit this has been a problem since I started using the feature but it still beats going to a history center, ordering film and waiting for it..
Linda in Everett

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From: "gpf13@aol.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 8:33 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Problems with Family Search

Is anyone having problems with the search feature of Family Search? Some changes appear to have been made between yesterday and today, and searches that produced many records yesterday provide nothing today.

I wonder if we are in the midst of an uncompleted upgrade?

George Fulton

By problems, do you mean that everything you search for comes out zilch? That is what I am getting this evening.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: gpf13@aol.com
> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 20:33:18 -0800
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Problems with Family Search
>
> Is anyone having problems with the search feature of Family Search? Some changes appear to have been made between yesterday and today, and searches that produced many records yesterday provide nothing today.
>
> I wonder if we are in the midst of an uncompleted upgrade?
>
> George Fulton

Hola Verónica, yo también desciendo de Nicolás Barajas y Catalina Galindo, su hijo Cristóbal es mi ancestro. Pero al igual que tu solo tengo esos datos y nada mas atrás lamentablemente. Cualquier dato que encuentre en el futuro estaré al pendiente para enviarte los datos.

Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
Tepatitlán de Morelos, Jalisco, México.

Yo uso www.myheritage.com espero te sirva

2012/1/21

> SALUDOS A TODOS
>
> CUAL SERIA EL MEJOR PROGRAMA PARA GUARDAR NUESTRA BASE DE DATOS DE
> NUESTROS ARBOLES, YA QUE YO TENGO COMO TRES AÑOS UTILIZANDO EL PROGRAMA DEL
> PAF DEL FAMILY, Y CON ESTO DE LA DISCUSION DE LA PIRATERIA NO SE SI ES
> CONFIABLE.
>
> VICTOR MANUEL GOMEZ

Hola Víctor:

Yo llevo un tiempo utilizando Legacy, y me ha resultado muy bueno. Tengo la versión gratuita por lo que algunas aplicaciones no vienen incluidas pero puedes utilizar las básicas. Es a color a diferencia del PAF, lo que antes volvía mi trabajo a veces aburrido, el ver aquella pantalla toda gris. También te viene un programa adjunto para crear árboles genealógicos impresos, aunque si quieres que te queden a la perfección tienes que pagar por ellos. La transición de tus datos del PAF al Legacy es sumamente fácil, ya que ambos son de Familysearch.

Espero pueda serte útil este programa, te lo recomiendo mucho.

Enrique Agraz

Some brief information about Joel Poinsett (from Wikipedia):

First Minister to Mexico
Statue of Poinsett in Greenville, South Carolina in 2010.

He simultaneously served as a special envoy to Mexico from 1822 to 1823 and was appointed the first American minister to Mexico in 1825, and became embroiled in the country’s political turmoil until his recall in 1830. It was during this time that he visited the area of south of Mexico City around Taxco del Alarcon where he found what was later to become known in the United States as the poinsettia, in Mexico is called "Flor de Noche Buena" (Christmas Eve flower). (The Aztecs referred to the winter-blooming plant as cuetlaxochitl; its Latin name is Euphorbia pulcherrima or "the most beautiful Euphorbia.") Poinsett, an avid amateur botanist, sent samples of the plant home to the States and by 1836 the plant was most widely known as the "poinsettia."

From other sources: Because of his meddling in internal affairs in Mexico, the Mexican government forced the United States to recall him from Mexico.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

I found a variation of Maria de *Yslaba* vs. Ysalba. Also Joseph Feliz de *
Arravide* aka *Arravide married to Maria de Yslaba with the marriage date
of 20 Feb 1724*. These two children are listed: Maria Josepha Eusebia
Arravide Yslaba b. 5 Nov 1722, ch. 15 Nov 1722, Asuncion, Sagrario
Metropolitano, Centro, Mexico, Distrito Federal,, C04128-5, Mexico-EASy
35179; and Polonia Josepha Ygnacia de Arranvide de Yslaba, b. 8 Feb. 1725,
ch. 16 Feb 1725, C61959-4, Mex.-VR 35180

-Esther Jordan Lopez

On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 10:24 PM, Alice Blake wrote:

> Dear Group,
> Since there appears to be members with the surname of de Alba, I thought
> I'd pose the question again.
> Has anyone seen these surnames used interchangably in their research? Or
> are they distinctly different?
> Any help or opinions would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Alice
>
> --- On Mon, 1/23/12, Alice Blake wrote:
>
>
> From: Alice Blake
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] De Ysalba
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Monday, January 23, 2012, 1:08 AM
>
>
> Does anyone know if the surname de Ysalba or de Esalba is a variation of
> de Alba?
> I've got marriage entries for Maria de Ysalba with Joseph Feliz de
> Arrambide 02/20/1724 and 03/19/1720 in Mexico, DF. Yet I can't find any de
> Ysalba's anywhere. Both entries from two different churches in DF couldn't
> be wrong? Your help would be greatly appreciated. Alice Blake

The Antonio SANTANA found by Marta Haro as baptized 24 May 1723 (I couldn't find this record in the entries for March or May 1723) must be from another year, or possibly from another family. Antonio SANTANA and Feliciana GOMES-GARSIA's son, Cayetano, was baptized 21 Sep 1723 (Tecolotlan, Image 388); this would leave only four months between these two birth dates. Cayetano later married Juana URIVE Ramires on 27 May 1750 (info from IGI).

There is an older brother, Antonio SANTANA Gomes-Garsia, who married Mariana DE LA PENA Castillo on 11 Feb 1730 in Tecolotlan, so this first Antonio would have to be born at least by 1710 or 1712. I made a unsuccessful quick search through Tecolotlan marriages to locate these records, but they are badly out of order.

Gloria Delgado

Hello Deedra:

All of Antonio de Santa Ana and Feliciana Gómez were born in the Ranch "San José de los Guajes", that was of their property, it's know located in the municipality of Juchitlán.
It's correct Antonio's baptism date and they had another son named Miguel, he was born aprox. in 1708 but he's baptismal record wasn't in the church according to my uncle Gabriel. Miguel married twice, the first with Juana García de Alba and the second with Agustina del Castillo.

Enrique

Have you searched the Información Matrimonial volume in Jalos for the same
time period?
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18448-3102-9?cc=1874591&wc=1…
Have you looked at all of the dispensas that have been posted by Claudia at
www.guadalajaradispensas.com that involve surnames of children,
grandchildren, and great grand children of Melchor Reynoso and María de San
Juan Gonsales Rubio?

The following won't provide proof but can provide evidence of the
connection that has been assumed. These are things that are normally
associated with close family members. What are the names of the padrinos of
the baptisms and marriages? Are the children of Melchor born in the same
ranch or hacienda as Sebastián Reynoso y Renteria and María Francisca
Ramires de Hermosillo? Is Melchor mentioned in the baptisms of
grandchildren of Sebastián Reynoso y Renteria and María Francisca Ramires
de Hermosillo? This could mean he is an uncle or a cousin.

Regards
Armando

On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 10:39 PM, wrote:

> Melchor Reynoso (b. ca. 1695) is the earliest documented Reynoso in the
> line I am researching in Jalostotitlán. I know it is widely assumed that he
> is the son of Sebastián Reynoso y Renteria and María Francisca Ramires de
> Hermosillo, who are documented many times over through the baptisms
> ((Mariana, Manuel, Francisco, and Juan Toribio) and marriages (Mariana,
> Miguel Geronimo, and Juan Toribio) of several of their children.
>
> Melchor Reynoso married María de San Juan Gonsales Rubio ca. 1724. I have
> searched, frame-by-frame, the marriages from Jalostotitlán (FHL Film
> 279295) between 1720 and 1725, but have been unable to locate the marriage.
> The marriage is proved by statements in the subsequent marriage records of
> several of their children (Vicente Ceferino, Joseph Antonio, María Manuela,
> and Anna Francisca), but I have been unable to locate the 1724 marriage of
> Melchor.
>
> If anyone has proof of either the marriage of Melchor Reynoso and María de
> San Juan Gonsales Rubio or the birth of Melchor (which should provide the
> names of his parents), I should be most grateful.
>
> I have been deeply involved in the online Jalisco records at
> FamilySearch.org for about seven months and have made spectacular progress
> on many lines. I hope eventually to be able to provide assistance to
> others whose lines may cross the ones I am researching; but, in the
> meantime, I am deeply impressed by the level of research and documentation
> that is being done by members of this forum (to which, I am new).
>
> Thank you, and good hunting,
> Lawrence Bouett

Based on your description of your research you may have done this already, but if not ...

Sometimes the matrimonial investigations will exist for a couple that you know were married, because all their children are "hijos legitimos", but for which you cannot find the marriage record. A check the matrimonial investigations will sometimes be successful. I have seen this in Aguascalientes.

Good luck!

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Emily,

I learned something from your post too because I don't use Ancestry. I
wasn't aware of the trolling robots used there. The only place I've posted
any of my work is on NR. I did so because I want to collaborate with others
who are researching the same families I am. The person who took the liberty
of posting my info is not related to my family and I know that because the
tree ends after x number of generations. I am also certain that they copied
my tree because they included an error I had in my original file, which I
later corrected. I don't know who it is because I didn't bother trying to
contact that individual. All I know is that they published it under the
name Daniel the Actor. Ironic, isn't it?

What I did to "protect" my file is publish it as a PDF and password protect
the print, copy and paste functions. I figured this way only someone who is
really researching the same families I am will take the time to contact me
and not merely copy my work to append it to theirs. I realize the
individual documents are public domain, but the compilation of the tree is
not. You've worked on your family tree for years, the old-fashioned way
like I did, and know how much time and effort it takes to put it together.
It's a real labor of love. I do believe in sharing, but I also believe in
respect for others. Let's not discourage other researchers from sharing
their work by taking what took years to put together without their
permission or at least a "thank you". These people are not hoarders or they
wouldn't be on NR.

Emily, thanks for sharing your expertise about how Ancestry works. It's
much appreciated.

Maria Cortez

> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 14:07:31 -0800
> From: Emilie Garcia
> To:
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Pirateria en datos genealogicos.
> Message-ID:
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>
>
> Maria---I read your post with interest because even though I can't
> understand all the Spanish, the word "Rootsweb" jumped out at me. I had
> the unfortunate experience with my husband's Garcia tree (Garcia from
> Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco)
> appearing on Rootsweb's World Connect in a new file created by someone I
> did not know. Her e-mail address appeared in italics in light print (you
> can hardly read it) so I e-mailed her and asked her if she was related.
> She was not in any way. She is a Mormon who has been looking for her
> father whose surname is Garcia. She never knew him.
>

totalmente de acuerdo

2012/1/18 Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez :
>
> Hace días leí en un mensaje del señor Guillermo Tovar de Teresa que se detenía en publicar algunos datos genealógicos en nuestro foro porque existen varias personas que se "piratean" los datos obtenidos por los demás con mucho trabajo y esfuerzo. Estoy totalmente de acuerdo con el señor Tovar porque a mi me pasó en una ocasión, la verdad es que yo no tengo mucho tiempo para dedicar a mi hobbie que es la genealogía y por tanto a lo mejor no aporto muchos datos de interés para el grupo, pero recuerdo una ocasión haber dado a conocer los datos de que el genearca de los Vázquez de Lara y Vázquez Zermeño de los Altos de Jalisco se hacía llamar Juan Vázquez de Perea y hasta les di la fuente de mi hallazgo y me ha tocado ver en algunas páginas y genealogías de algunos que ya tienen ese dato que yo di y además tienen hasta mi genealogía en sus páginas y no me dan el reconocimiento debido ni a mi, ni mucho menos citan la fuente de donde se tomó el dato. Creo que si es un poco desanimador el ver estos casos para poder ayudarnos unos a otros. Debemos dar el mérito a quien se merece darle el reconocimiento.
>
> Debemos "educarnos" para así poder aportar los datos que creemos puedan servir a los demás, pero eso si, recibiendo el mérito debido. Espero no caer mal con este mensaje, pero estoy en total acuerdo con el señor Tovar. Apoyémonos unos a otros, dando a cada quien lo que se merece.
>
> Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
> Tepatitlán de Morelos, Jalisco, México.
>
>
>
>
>

Hace algunos años comencé a crear mi árbol genealógico en línea. Gran parte de los datos los obtuve de la magnífica investigación que Guillermo Tovar De Teresa ha hecho, respaldada en fuentes originales que él mismo ha urgado en archivos de diversas partes de México, España y Alemania.
Desde el principio, cualquier dato genealógico tomado de fuentes investigadas por Guillermo he puesto el crédito correspondiente.
Cuando encuentro yo mismo algún documento, respaldo los datos que consigno con la transcripción del mismo o cito la fuente, ya sea bibliográfica o cibernética.
Cuando algún pariente me proporciona datos, cito la fuente.
Lamentablemente, como comenta Guillermo, hay piratas que toman mis datos y no dan crédito alguno y cometen errores.
La genealogía es un asunto serio y como tal debe respetarse.

Luis Núñez Gornés

Jorge Luis,

De ninguna manera cae mal tu mensaje. A mi me ha pasado lo mismo con mi
linea de los de la Mora Hurtado de Mendoza. La trabajé por mucho tiempo y
lo publiqué aquí en Nuestros Ranchos con todas mis fuentes para luego
encontrarla publicada en Rootsweb sin mi permiso o mención a mi trabajo. Yo
por mi parte cuando alguien comparte datos conmigo, primeramente anoto a la
persona como fuente de esa información. Asi no se me olvida de donde la
recibí. Si la voy a compartir con alguien mas, primero le pregunto a la
persona que la compartió permiso para hacerlo y le doy el credito a la
persona. Hay que tenernos respeto y no abusar de la generosidad de la
persona que comparte su trabajo. Despues de encontrar mis datos publicados
en Rootsweb, protegí mi archivo para que no tan facilmente puedan copiar
los datos y recorté varias generaciones de mi arbol. Tambien decidí no
incluir mis fuentes.

Existen varios genealogistas en este foro que son de los mas destacados en
esta materia que me han dicho que ya no publican nada en el foro por este
motivo. Como tu lo dices, se pierde el animo al ver su trabajo pirateado
por otras personas sin darles el credito que se merecen.

Maria Cortez
Sacramento, CA

> ------------------------------
> From: Jorge Luis Ram?rez G?mez
> To: Nuestros Ranchos
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Pirater?a en datos geneal?gicos.
> Message-ID:
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>
> Hace d?as le? en un mensaje del se?or Guillermo Tovar de Teresa que se
> deten?a en publicar algunos datos geneal?gicos en nuestro foro porque
> existen varias personas que se "piratean" los datos obtenidos por los dem?s
> con mucho trabajo y esfuerzo. Estoy totalmente de acuerdo con el se?or
> Tovar porque a mi me pas? en una ocasi?n, la verdad es que yo no tengo
> mucho tiempo para dedicar a mi hobbie que es la genealog?a y por tanto a lo
> mejor no aporto muchos datos de inter?s para el grupo, pero recuerdo una
> ocasi?n haber dado a conocer los datos de que el genearca de los V?zquez de
> Lara y V?zquez Zerme?o de los Altos de Jalisco se hac?a llamar Juan V?zquez
> de Perea y hasta les di la fuente de mi hallazgo y me ha tocado ver en
> algunas p?ginas y genealog?as de algunos que ya tienen ese dato que yo di y
> adem?s tienen hasta mi genealog?a en sus p?ginas y no me dan el
> reconocimiento debido ni a mi, ni mucho menos citan la fuente de donde se
> tom? el dato. Creo que si es un poco desanima
> dor el ver estos casos para poder ayudarnos unos a otros. Debemos dar el
> m?rito a quien se merece darle el reconocimiento.
>
> Debemos "educarnos" para as? poder aportar los datos que creemos puedan
> servir a los dem?s, pero eso si, recibiendo el m?rito debido. Espero no
> caer mal con este mensaje, pero estoy en total acuerdo con el se?or Tovar.
> Apoy?monos unos a otros, dando a cada quien lo que se merece.
>
> Jorge Luis Ram?rez G?mez.
> Tepatitl?n de Morelos, Jalisco, M?xico.
>
>
>
>

Estoy totalmente de acuerdo con todo lo dicho y no lo repetire, y los felicito por tocar el tema, pero como se resuelve? Como lograr que los dos caballeros que necesitan educarse lo hagan? Algunos sabemos quienes son. En general los miembros de NR somos personas respetuosas, educadas, bien intencionadas, y quienes con gusto daremos el credito y agradecimiento a quien corresponda por la ayuda recibida.
El problema es la ambicion de reconocimiento que tienen y obtienen estos dos, que no toman en cuenta a los demas. Aunque la informacion ya sea del dominio publico mientras Family Search quiera, es mucho el tiempo y esfuerzo que se ocupa localizando datos. El tiempo es lo mas valioso que tenemos. Nunca podremos recuperarlo.
Aunque expongamos sus nombres, no veo forma de impedir su acceso al resultado de nuestros esfuerzos. Posiblemente compartiendo informacion de manera privada por email, pero entonces se desvirtua el proposito del foro. Ideas?

Absolutely agree with what's been said, won't repeat, congratulate you on bringing up the subject, but how can it be solved? How do you get the two gentlemen who need to educate themselves to do it? Some of us know who they are. Generally speaking, NR members are respectful, educated, well-meaning people, who will gladly appreciate and give credit to whom it is due.
The problem is these two thrive on adulation and acknowledgment, and have no regard for others. While Family Search information is now and for as long as they want in public domain, there is a lot of time and effort involved in finding it. Time is our most valuable asset. We can never get it back.
Even if we expose their names, I don't see how to prevent their access to the outcome of our efforts. Perhaps sharing information privately by email, but that would defeat the whole purpose of this forum. Any ideas?

Angelina Casillas

Apoyo cien por ciento con lo que dice Jorge Luis Ramírez, quien ha
demostrado ser un investigador serio y trabajador, con grandes cualidades
como son la modestia y la honestidad.

Existen muchas clases de genealogistas. Una de ellas son quienes hacen
trabajo de "maquila", es decir, que sin un propósito individual realizan
trabajos que son de utilidad general. Realizan índices, compilaciones,
extractos, etcétera. Su labor es muy meritoria y merece el agradecimiento de
la comunidad. Son los altruistas, súbditos de la dictadura moral de los
desdichados, que luchan para desterrar la ignorancia de los miembros de una
comunidad. Su trabajo tiene mérito pero no gracia. ¡Un aplauso para ellos!

Existen genealogistas que intentan realizar investigaciones de historia
familiar, con fines personales. Esas personas trabajan intensamente,
consultando fuentes que resultan casi desconocidas para la mayoría de los
investigadores, con el objeto de identificar a un ancestro que para ellos
tiene un interés especial. Ni son egoístas ni individualistas, simplemente,
buscan lo propio. Tienen todo el derecho de hacerlo y de cómo hacerlo. Eso
sí que tiene mucha gracia y no menor mérito.

Existen genealogistas "sabios" que viven a costillas de los dos primeros
grupos. Consultan internet y resuelven sus genealogías valiéndose de los
trabajos de los demás. Por ejemplo, me tardé muchos años en identificar a
una antepasada de nombre Francisca de Zambrana Fajardo. Nadie sabía una
palabra de ella, sin embargo, ahora hay varios expertos en su identidad. He
llegado muy lejos en su historia familiar. Pero resulta que estos "sabios"
ya "sabían" quién era y felicitan al autor original de la investigación por
haber investigado a nuevos ancestros de ésta. No conformes con plagiar el
trabajo del otro, se dan el lujo de erigirse en jueces que conceden
reconocimientos y premios, cuando no han hecho absolutamente nada, más que
engañar a la gente con su "sabiduría", justificados en su juventud. Son unos
sinvergüenzas con grandes pretensiones.

Existe, por ejemplo, un genealogista que tiene a cientos de miles de
personas en su página. Las ha reunido plagiando y pirateando los árboles
genealógicos de otros, ingenuos que se los proporcionan. El problema con su
página es que es una fuente inagotable de errores. He comprobado que en su
página, mi genealogía está totalmente equivocada y me pone tatarabuelas que
no existieron. Pero goza de prestigio de sabio, cuando no es más que un
simple pretensioso y un falsario. Comparte con Santo Tomás de Aquino aquella
máxima que dice: "cum ipse est insipiens, omnes stultos aestimat"

Para ellos es muy fácil hacer genealogía. Encienden internet y consultan el
Google y PARES. Antiguamente, hace veinte o treinta años, era necesario
consultar personalmente los archivos públicos y privados, o revisar los
microfilmes en los Centros de Historia Familiar en línea, entre otras
decenas de acervos y repositorios. Ya no hay esfuerzo ni placer de
investigador. Ahora realizan un trabajo mecánico y no valorativo y por eso,
a veces, dicen tantas tonterías y equívocos, justificados en nombre del
interés común y el altruismo mal entendido concebido como un falso ideal.

Esas personas confunden las reglas con su aplicación.

Atentamente

Guillermo Tovar de Teresa

-----Mensaje original-----
De: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Jorge Luis
Ramírez Gómez
Enviado el: Miércoles, 18 de Enero de 2012 01:05 p.m.
Para: Nuestros Ranchos
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] Piratería en datos genealógicos.

Hace días leí en un mensaje del señor Guillermo Tovar de Teresa que se
detenía en publicar algunos datos genealógicos en nuestro foro porque
existen varias personas que se "piratean" los datos obtenidos por los demás
con mucho trabajo y esfuerzo. Estoy totalmente de acuerdo con el señor Tovar
porque a mi me pasó en una ocasión, la verdad es que yo no tengo mucho
tiempo para dedicar a mi hobbie que es la genealogía y por tanto a lo mejor
no aporto muchos datos de interés para el grupo, pero recuerdo una ocasión
haber dado a conocer los datos de que el genearca de los Vázquez de Lara y
Vázquez Zermeño de los Altos de Jalisco se hacía llamar Juan Vázquez de
Perea y hasta les di la fuente de mi hallazgo y me ha tocado ver en algunas
páginas y genealogías de algunos que ya tienen ese dato que yo di y además
tienen hasta mi genealogía en sus páginas y no me dan el reconocimiento
debido ni a mi, ni mucho menos citan la fuente de donde se tomó el dato.
Creo que si es un poco desanimador el ver estos casos para poder ayudarnos
unos a otros. Debemos dar el mérito a quien se merece darle el
reconocimiento.

Debemos "educarnos" para así poder aportar los datos que creemos puedan
servir a los demás, pero eso si, recibiendo el mérito debido. Espero no caer
mal con este mensaje, pero estoy en total acuerdo con el señor Tovar.
Apoyémonos unos a otros, dando a cada quien lo que se merece.

Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
Tepatitlán de Morelos, Jalisco, México.

We are living in the information age. All of us researchers must face the fact that any information we uncover does not belong to us (the researcher). While we may currently have documents or information no one else has--that same information will soon be made available to the masses one way or another. I wholeheartedly agree that we should give credit where credit is due; if someone took the time and effort to uncover something that has helped your search--THANK AND ACKNOWLEDGE THEM. But I also think that the "hoarding" mentality is counterproductive to our research and legacy.

Think about how many "ahas" happen here when someone shares a bit of the puzzle...and then someone else shares their own little bit of the puzzle...then (and we've seen this), a whole landscape has been painted by our collective work. We should face it, we don't own anything individually--we own it collectively because it is our heritage. Not "mine," but "ours."

How high would your documented family tree look right now if the LDS hoarded the microfilms? Yes, they charged in the past to cover operating costs (I suppose), but now they are FREE to all of us. How would you feel if they shut down FamilySearch and decide only "certain people" can have access? Let's work together for the greater good and leave a real and lasting legacy for generations to come.

My two cents.

Saludos,
Claudia
www.guadalajaradispensas.com
www.sagradamitra.com

Hi Alice:

I have no information about Martín Arrambide, but feel free to ask me if you need about any other family from Salinas Victoria, my great great grandfather Leandro Villarreal Garza was from there and I have many info about those families.

Enrique

Where can we get information on Haciendas of Zacatecas? Heavens, I've
tried and there's some but it's as easy as finding hen's teeth.
Marge:)
On Jun 29, 2006, at 11:38 AM, Joseph Puentes wrote:

>
> I've put links in the links area of the group from the links area of
> the
> old Yahoo Ranchos group. Please have a look and send me new links to
> include in this area. I especially need links for Aguascalientes.
>
> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/13934
>
>
> Geografic and Locality Information
>
> # Pueblos de Jalisco
> # Pueblos de Zacatecas
> # Pueblos de Aguascalientes
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> # Haciendas de Aguascalientes
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> # Obispados y Diocesis
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Hola Paty:

Muchas gracias, toda mi línea de mi abuelo paterno es de ahí. Alguna vez me topé con ese índice, pero la verdad es que no lo utilicé mucho porque casi todos o todos los matrimonios vienen indexados, la cuestión es la ortografía, que a veces no encuentro la base de datos y ya cuando checo bien resulta que lo escribieron de otra manera.

Te agradezco de nuevo por el link, ya había olvidado que existía.

Saludos

Hola! Yo vivo cerca de Tlajomulco y antes de aventurarte a hacer el viaje te recomiendo sepas exactamente hacia donde dirigirte, pues el municipio de Tlajomulco es bastante grande y no se cual sea el area de tu interes. En cuanto el peligro del narcotrafico, no creo sea el mayor problema, pues en cualquier parte del mundo habita el peligro y aquí en Guadalajara es bastante tranquilo, pese a lo que se dice en los noticieros. Si gustas nos comunicamos por e-mail cualquier duda que tengas y con mucho gusto puedo ayudar a guiarte, recomendarte o aconsejarte y puedas sacar el mejor provecho a tu viaje, sobre todo por ser solo 5 dias.
Todo lo mejor!

Hello! I live near Tlajomulco and before venturing to make the trip I recommend you know exactly where to go, as the town of Tlajomulco is quite large and no matter the area of your interest. As the danger of drug trafficking, I do not think is the biggest problem, as anywhere in the world lives in danger and here in Guadalajara is fairly quiet, despite what is said in the news. If you like we communicate by e-mail any questions you have and I can gladly help guide you, recommend or advise you and you get the most out of your trip, especially for being only 5 days.
All the best!

Veronica Rodriguez

Hello,

I went to Guadalajara in 2009 and felt perfectly safe. My sister flew in
from Washington state and I flew in from California - I took a taxi to Hotel
Fenix near the Cathedral where my sister was waiting. I don't recall the
pricing, other than it was reasonable. From there we went to Colima met up
with family and had the time of our lives. Since you are on limited time
schedule, I would suggest taking taxis instead of buses, just make sure you
agree to a price upfront. As for safety, it is no different than other big
cities, travel during the day and don't flash too much money or valuables.
Mexico has had more than its share of violence recently, but as a general
rule Jalisco and Colima seem to be safer than the northern states,
especially for tourists.

I'm excited for you.

-Angelina-

-----Original Message-----
From: nbperez@att.net
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 2:46 PM
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Tlajomulco? & Guadalajara trip

Happy New Year to all Nuestros Ranchos Researchers.
I am excited that I will be traveling to Mexico in March
and was hoping to do some research on the family of
Dr. Jesus Sanchez Guerrero, born in Guadalajara in 1874 and his son,
Dr. Francisco Sanchez Flores, who was born in Tlajomulco in 1910.

Unfortunately, my traveling companion now thinks it would
be too dangerous for two women to go to Tlajomulco alone, so I hope
NR members can let me know if this would be unsafe for us to do. Here
in the US we hear much about the drug cartel violence but I haven't
heard of problems in this particular area. If we stay in Guadalajara,
can anyone suggest which resources would be best to seek out in my
limited time of 5 days in Guadalajara. Also, Can you tell me what the
best way would be to travel from Guadalajara and how long it would take
to get to Tlajomulco?

I would appreciate any advice and/or guidance you can give me.

just my experience.  I went to Mexico in 2003 with a relative and her husband who spoke Spanish.. We landed in Guadalajara and took the taxi ($20) to the Hotel Mendoza since it had been recommended as safe to us, it was abt $105 a night for 3 people in 1 room.  It was close to the main Cathedral and is next door to a small church also close to markets.  The man at the desk told us to always get a quote on cab fare before getting in and to let them call the cab for us.  We traveled to Jerez, Zacatecas by bus abt 4 hours and cost abt $22. Very clean and comfortable.  We did all our traveling by bus with no problems.  When we got a cab and wanted to drive around we agreed on a price for his time. 2 hours cost us $10 in Ciudad Zacatecas.  We stayed close to our hotels at night and didn't carry lots of luggage, an overnight bag for 18 days actually and got photocopies of our documents and never kept money in our wallets.. we took out what we thought
we would need each day, never flashing it when buying things. If you know anyone there get hold of them before arriving..
I am very glad I went and hope you enjoy your journey too.. by the way, as far as research went I got more on Family search than in Mexico but I got to walk the land, breath the air and get to know the land of my ancestors
Linda in Everett

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From: "nbperez@att.net"
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 2:46 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Tlajomulco? & Guadalajara trip

Happy New Year to all Nuestros Ranchos Researchers.
I am excited that I will be traveling to Mexico in March
and was hoping to do some research on the family of Dr. Jesus Sanchez Guerrero, born in Guadalajara in 1874 and his son, Dr. Francisco Sanchez Flores, who was born in Tlajomulco in 1910.

Unfortunately, my traveling companion now thinks it would
be too dangerous for two women to go to Tlajomulco alone, so I hope
NR members can let me know if this would be unsafe for us to do. Here in the US we hear much about the drug cartel violence but I haven't heard of problems in this particular area.  If we stay in Guadalajara, can anyone suggest which resources would be best to seek out in my
limited time of 5 days in Guadalajara. Also, Can you tell me what the best way would be to travel from Guadalajara and how long it would take to get to Tlajomulco?
I would appreciate any advice and/or guidance you can give me.

aqui esta, no se si esten completas todas la parroquias

https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Fapi.famil…

On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 2:15 PM, wrote:

> Los molesto con la liga de el estado de Aguascalientes.
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Do you by any chance know the parents, paternal and maternal grandparents of Francisco Sanchez Flores? Thanks.....

----- Original Message -----
From: nbperez@att.net
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 7:40:14 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Tlajomulco, Guadalajara trip

Thank you so much to: Linda, Mickey, Angelina, Alicia, Raquel
 & Veronica for your advice and recommendations for hotels
in the Guadalajara area. I am especially grateful to
Veronica who lives near Tlajomulco and volunteered guidance
in my search.
Dr. Francisco Sanchez Flores, born in Tlajomulco in 1910, was
known as "Pancho Panelas" in the mariachi & folkloric dance world.
He was also a noted painter of indigenous art and I believe has artwork
in exhibition in the Regional Museum in Guadalajara. I would love to
visit a cultural center named after him in Tlajomulco, as well as a
school. Maybe Veronica could find their locations for me as it would
 be very exciting to see them. As mentioned, just walking the same
streets as did our ancestors is a very spiritual, special feeling, which
 I experienced when I went to El Paso in search of my cousin. With the
help of this wonderful group, my trip should be very productive.
Thanks to you all - Nancy

Efectivamente, varias instituciones en Tlajomulco llevan el nombre de Francisco sanchez, como escultor hizo obras en otras ciudades. Estare encantada de ayudarte en el reencuentro de tu ancestro. Aproximadamente en una semana aprovechare a vicitar el municipio y te contare que encontre referente a las instituciones que llevan su nombre.
Aqui hay un enlace de un lugareño que muestra Tlajomulco de una forma mas natural y puedes apreciar el monumento a Francisco sanchez Flores

Indeed, several institutions are named Tlajomulco Francisco Sanchez, as a sculptor he works in other cities. I'll be happy to help in reuniting your ancestor. About a week to take advantage vicit the town and tell you that I found regarding the institutions that bear his name.
Here is a link that shows a local Tlajomulco in a more natural and you can see the monument to Francisco Sanchez Flores:

http://www.taringa.net/posts/info/2800807/conozcan-mi-pueblo-tlajomulco…

Biography: http://www.museocjv.com/panchopanelasbiografia.htm

Todo lo mejor!
Veronica

I too am grateful for Veronica,

It's people helping other people in need that makes this group so wonderful.

Nancy, good luck in your travels to Mexico. Tell us all about it upon your return.

Suerte!
Alicia

________________________________
From: "nbperez@att.net"
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 7:40 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Tlajomulco, Guadalajara trip

Thank you so much to: Linda, Mickey, Angelina, Alicia, Raquel
& Veronica for your advice and recommendations for hotels
in the Guadalajara area. I am especially grateful to
Veronica who lives near Tlajomulco and volunteered guidance
in my search.
Dr. Francisco Sanchez Flores, born in Tlajomulco in 1910, was
known as "Pancho Panelas" in the mariachi & folkloric dance world.
He was also a noted painter of indigenous art and I believe has artwork
in exhibition in the Regional Museum in Guadalajara. I would love to
visit a cultural center named after him in Tlajomulco, as well as a school. Maybe Veronica could find their locations for me as it would
be very exciting to see them. As mentioned, just walking the same
streets as did our ancestors is a very spiritual, special feeling, which
I experienced when I went to El Paso in search of my cousin. With the
help of this wonderful group, my trip should be very productive.
Thanks to you all - Nancy