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The Lastname Escatel is Not a very Common Lastname, I Know That this Lastname Is From the town of Chimaltitan, jalisco, I am related to the Quirino Escatel Who Was Married Bonifacia Lujan Lopes... They were born around 1830 to 1850
If anyone has Escatel as a Lastname please do send me a message to see if we have any common ancestry.
and I am also looking for Ancestry from Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas
My Grandmas Mom was Soledad magallanes who was born in 1909 her parents where Timoteo Magallanes and His Wife was Calendaria teposte..

Thanks I hope I can help anyone finding common Ancestors..

To: Rick Rodriguez

This is the information that I have, I hope it helps to answer your question about the Gonzalez de Hermosillo and the Gonzalez Rubio.

Diego Gonzalez de Hermosillo was married to Maria Rubio
Their son: Francisco Gutierrez de La Vega Y Rubio B:1551 married Ana Gonzalez Florida in 1576 , Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco. Source: LDS Batch F868025 Film 1396255.

Their children:
Ana Gonzalez Florida II (1594-1672)
Capt. Miguel Gutierrez Rubio
Maria Gonzalez (abt. 1577)
Diego Gonzalez Rubio (abt. 1597)
Francisco Gutierrez Rubio II (abt.1595)
Catalina Gutierrez Rubio (abt.1597-1667)

Notice their last names: Capt. Miguel, Francisco, and Catalina used "Gutierrez Rubio"
Diego used "Gonzalez Rubio". Maria used "Gonzalez". Ana used "Gonzalez Florida, like her mother.

Diego Gonzalez Rubio married Polonia de Torres.

I guess the answer to your question about the relation between the Gonzalez de Hermosillo and the Gonzalez Rubio, is that, Diego Gonzalez Rubio was the son of Diego Gonzalez de Hermosillo.

John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA.

Hola a todos: Deseo tambien saber si alguien tiene algo de informacion de la familia VITELA del Estado de Zacatecas, especialmente de Jalpa, Miguel Auza ( Mezquital del Oro) o areas cercanas a Jerez. He visto que hay muchas personas que investigan en los archivos de Jerez y creo sea posible que alguien haya visto a algun miembro de la familia Vitela en esa zona. Lamentablemente no he logrado mucha informacion sobre mis antepasados pues he encontrado que muchos de los archivos de Zacatecas fueron quemados por los cristeros. Tengo conocimiento de mi bisabuelo Francisco Vitela nacido supuestamente en Jalpa, Zac. en el año 1868, quien fue hijo de Gorgonio Vitela (b. abt 1840) y de Fermina Lopez (b. abt 1840), pero no tengo idea de que lugar exactamente sean originarios. Lo que si encontre fueron muchos Vitelas en Miguel Auza, pero ninguno pude conectarlo con mi linea directa. Agradeceria mucho si alguien tiene algo de informacion que me pueda ayudar. Gracias de antemano.

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Hello everyone: I would like to know if anyone has information about VITELA family from Zacatecas, specially from Jalpa, Miguel Auza (Mezquital del Oro) or surounding areas to Jerez. I have seen there are many NR members that research in Jerez records and I think there is a possibility you have seen Vitela family members there. Unfortunately I have not gotten many information about my ancestors caused by the cristeros who burned many records for Zacatecas. I know about my ggfather Francisco Vitela borned in Jalpa, Zac., in 1868, whos' parents were Gorgonio Vitela and Fermina Lopez (b. abt 1840), but I do not have any idea where they were from. What I found, were many Vitelas in Miguel Auza, but I have not been able to connect them with my direct line. I would appreciate very much if someone has information that can help me out.

Sincerely

Alesandro Vitela

Amigos del foro, tengo este problema.El papa de mi abuela se caso con una hermana de mi abuelo o sea su cunada, tiene medios hermanos que son a la vez sobrinos de mi abuelo, es algo confuso y no se si debo duplicar los datos o como se documenta para que el programa no los tome como otros individuos.Agradezco de antemano su ayuda.Sin mas por el momento, espero su respuesta.

J.Guadalupe Jaime Chavez

p.d. Alguien investiga Jalpa,Zac y alrededores y Asientos,Ags?

Usually all posts from this website are safe and free of Spam, however, as I went to open this attachment from Vicente De San Miguel, it takes you to a drug company selling Cialis and Viagra.

BEWARE and stay away from this, it could be that someone invaded San Miguels inbox?

Can anyone help me find an out of print family history book " Arbol Genealogico de la Familia Martin del Campo 1870-1970" by Enrique Martin del Campo Macias published by Compprime Impresiones Laser J. Ibarra Ingieneros 124 Himno Nacional San Luis Potosi, SLP

I want to say thank you to all members here in this website. Because with your research that all of you have done and sharing of information, it has helped me to locate where our ancestors came from.

As for instance, I was curious into finding out where the Madera's originally came from. And some of you shared your family trees with me and it is Asturias, Spain.

The Madera's of the Huejuquilla/Mezquitic, Jalisco, Mexico, region. I have been doing my family tree also.

This helps a lot and also to show this website to people in our pueblo so they get a first glimpse of where are ancestors originally came from.

Thank you to all for sharing information and keep up the good work.

Alicia,

That is such a touching story! I have been asked numerous times why I was so interested in genealogy. As a matter of fact, my husband was not convinced that it was of much importance and felt that I was just "spinning my wheels", until just this year. My husband's father passed away, and with him went his entire family's history. Unfortunately, his mother died many years ago and he did not have a good relationship with his father. Initially, I tried to speak to his father about his family, but my husband discouraged it. Instead, I focused on my side of my family and have been able to trace my roots back to the 1780's. With the loss of his father, he is now beginning to understand.....

Thanks for that wonderful story, Alicia. I feel inspired to pursue my husband's genealogy - someday it may be my own son who might be wondering about his history!

-Esther Reynoso Valencia

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Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 10:28:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: Alicia Carrillo
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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Why we do Genealogical Research
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Dear Nuestros Ranchos Members,

I just had to share this feel good story with those who would understand.

This morning after coming back from the Gym, I was making breakfast and the phone rang. My Grandson answered the phone and it was someone speaking in Spanish to him, which is not all that unusual but he immediately passed it to me.

I answer and the man's voice says in spanish, eres Alicia and I say yes, he says, me llamo Rigoberto Ruiz y hablo de Jalpa Zacatecas. My mind is trying to register who is Rigoberto Ruiz. He then says, soy Primo hermano de tu mama y hablo para darte las Gracias. Translation is I'm your mother's first cousin and I'm calling from Jalpa Zacatecas and I'm calling to thank you.

My mind is still not registering as I've never met a Rigoberto Ruiz from Jalpa Zacatecas. I begin to ask him questions such as how are we related, how did you know who I am and how to reach me etc etc. He gave a good answer!!

Two years ago I met a young man, his wife and family from Fresno Calif. Turns out he's my third cousin and he had recently gone to Jalpa to visit his family.

When I met them, they came to the house, I gave them copies of all my research of the Ruiz family. Most people don't really get it,(Genealogy) nor do they care, but he did. We talked a great deal about the Ruiz genealogy and he seemed to treasure the Genealogy charts. He shared details about the Ruiz family that I treasured

When this cousin Ruben went to Jalpa this spring, he shared the Genealogy charts with his uncle Rigoberto. His uncle said he'd been wondering for years about his ancestors, he said with his voice cracking a bit that he just had to call and thank me for doing all this research and for providing it to him and the family.
I told him that I look forward to meeting him and all my aunts, cousins and uncles some day soon.

Thought it was worth sharing, especially for those who are beginning their research and at times may feel that it's sooo time consuming and not worth the trouble. It's moments like this that makes it so worthwhile.

Alicia,
San Jose, Calif

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Date: Sat, 08 May 2010 13:47:41 -0400
From: Joseph Puentes
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What a great and inspiring story. We just never know the impact we are
making on those we share our roots with.

thanks Alicia for what you are doing for your family and what you are
doing for the nuestrosranchos.org group as our premiere volunteer
fighting spam from reaching our inboxes.

thanks,

joseph

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NoMeat@h2opodcast.com
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

Alicia Carrillo wrote:
> Dear Nuestros Ranchos Members,
>
> I just had to share this feel good story with those who would understand.
>
> This morning after coming back from the Gym, I was making breakfast and the phone rang. My Grandson answered the phone and it was someone speaking in Spanish to him, which is not all that unusual but he immediately passed it to me.
>
> I answer and the man's voice says in spanish, eres Alicia and I say yes, he says, me llamo Rigoberto Ruiz y hablo de Jalpa Zacatecas. My mind is trying to register who is Rigoberto Ruiz. He then says, soy Primo hermano de tu mama y hablo para darte las Gracias. Translation is I'm your mother's first cousin and I'm calling from Jalpa Zacatecas and I'm calling to thank you.
>
> My mind is still not registering as I've never met a Rigoberto Ruiz from Jalpa Zacatecas. I begin to ask him questions such as how are we related, how did you know who I am and how to reach me etc etc. He gave a good answer!!
>
> Two years ago I met a young man, his wife and family from Fresno Calif. Turns out he's my third cousin and he had recently gone to Jalpa to visit his family.
>
> When I met them, they came to the house, I gave them copies of all my research of the Ruiz family. Most people don't really get it,(Genealogy) nor do they care, but he did. We talked a great deal about the Ruiz genealogy and he seemed to treasure the Genealogy charts. He shared details about the Ruiz family that I treasured
>
> When this cousin Ruben went to Jalpa this spring, he shared the Genealogy charts with his uncle Rigoberto. His uncle said he'd been wondering for years about his ancestors, he said with his voice cracking a bit that he just had to call and thank me for doing all this research and for providing it to him and the family.
> I told him that I look forward to meeting him and all my aunts, cousins and uncles some day soon.
>
> Thought it was worth sharing, especially for those who are beginning their research and at times may feel that it's sooo time consuming and not worth the trouble. It's moments like this that makes it so worthwhile.
>
> Alicia,
> San Jose, Calif

Espero que hables espanol. bueno creo que si , me encanto tu historia y como alguien te dijo , tambien a mi me conmovio tu historia . muchas gracias por compartirla , a mi tambien me encanta visitar a parientes en Mexico y compartirles mi arbol genealogico. me super encanta la historia familiar.

Martha Gomez

Hola, Juan Ramon,

pues gracias , yo escribo de Utah , y tu?

Does anyone know what is going on with the Family Search web site, i.e. IGI? It seems that this problem began yesterday evening. Isn't maintenance of this sort normally performed later in the day. Just wondering.

Does anyone have any genealogical information on Leobardo Reynoso Estrada? He was the governor of Zacatecas between 1944-1950.

Or does anyone have any of the films for Mexico City death records? He died May 2, 1993 at the age of 91 in Mexico city.

I would greatly appreciate any help I can get!

-Esther Reynoso Valencia

The Family History library catalog does not list church records for Juchipila, Zacatecas prior to 1814. I'm looking for the record of Ygnacio Ocampo baptized in Moyahua or Contitlan abt. 1764 (married to Eugenia Carrillo).

How would I locate these records?
Thanks for any information, Roxanne Ocampo

Now that you mention the reynoso family, you have reminded me That I have a semi brickwall. Santiago reynoso married to maria jimenez de castro. Santiago and maria were married most likely before 1795 in jalos or san juan de los lagos area. He lived in jalos where he was one of the towns administrators. My cousin descends from his son fernando.
I said semi brickwall because I do have a solid lead that I have not had a chance to follow up on that most likely will give me more info. I will not be able to visit the library soon. The LA library is still closed due to renovations.
Does anyone know Santiago/Diego Reynoso and maria jimenez de castro's parents?
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Randy McNeal

Thank you for this web site I was able to find a baptism record for my grandfather’s brother, Jose Jesus Reynoso on 25 Jul 1886, taking place at San Juan Bautista, San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, Mexico. Unfortunately, I was not able to locate my grandfather Cayetano Jose Reynoso born in 1888.

Has anyone seen – or is anyone in possession of – a copy of the book by
Ricardo Lancaster-Jones called “Haciendas de Jalisco y aledaños, 1506-1821?
I found it listed as being in the Mormon library, but I cannot seem to find
any place that sells the book. It was published 1974 in Guadalajara. It is
said to narrate the history of the haciendas in Jalisco from their origins
in New Galicia. I’m wondering if it names specific haciendas and their
owners…..

Susan

Reno/Nevada

Hello, I would like to get information on my g-g-grandfather's baptismal record. I found him under the name of Pablo Hernandez Sustaita. The date of his baptism shows as Feb. 6, 1851. His parents were Pedro Hernandez and Clara Sustaita. I would like to know if this record is avaliable online and if so, how do I view it? I have a source film # 710727. Will I need to request this film from an LDS center? Any information would be most appreciated. I apologize, but I am still a genealogy novice.
Maria

Hello, I would like to introduce myself as a new member of Nuestros Ranchos. I have been researching my family history for a few years and have recently begun to dedicate more time to research. Much of my fathers’ family comes from Momax, Zacatecas, including the Rancho San Jose de Los Motas. My father was born in Momax and came to the United States in his teens. He is the youngest of twelve. I have been blessed to discover a lot about my Mota roots; however, hope to find out more about my Campos side of the family, but have run into many walls. Below are a few of the names I have/am researching. Thank you.
 
Carolina Sanders (maiden: Campos)
 
 
 
Ignacio Campos (grandfather)
Juana Mota (grandmother)
Eufroceno Campos
Cadelaria Reyes
Rafael Mota Cornejo
Maria del Refugio Herrera
Jose Pedro Donaciano Mota
Maria Triniad Mota
Jose Luys Nicolas de la Mota
Ma. Jesus Serrano
Josseph Agustine de la Mota
Ana Maria De Santiago Carlos de Godoy

Does anyone have any of the following films available?

Batch # M602507
Serial # 0640139 Marriage record 1878

Batch # M602505
Serial # 640137 Marriage record 1822

Batch # M608934
Serial # 644414 Marriage record 1840

Thanks

I am trying to find information on the above couple. I have no information other than they were married in the vicinity of Tepatitlan, Jalisco. Either (or both) were born about 1900. They had the following children: Josefina, Salvador, Isidro, Josito, Bonifacio, Micaela, and Ramon.

I'm stuck.....I have had no luck and am beginning to think that I am just not looking correctly.

Any information or suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

Members:
I have not been able to find more information after Jose Maria Escatel. Any help would be appreciated.

grandparents: Jesus Escatel Ramirez married to Calota Ramirez Rodriguez
great grandparents: Felix Escatel married to Veneranda Ramirez
g.g grandparents: Roque Escatel married to Maria Silbestra Munos
g.g.g grandparents: Jose Maria Escatel married to Marcela/Marcelina Losano

No he podido encontrar más información después de Jose Maria Escatel . Cualquier ayuda sería apreciada.

abuelos: Jesús Ramírez Escatel casado con Calota Ramírez Rodríguez
bisabuelos: Félix Escatel casado con Veneranda Ramírez
tarabuelos: Roque Escatel casado con María Muñoz Silbestra
antepasados: José María Escatel casado con Marcela/Marcelina Losano

Thanks/Gracias
Martin Escatel

What is the best way to obtain a Death Certicate from Mexico? My father, Enedino Gomez Lizarrga, died 14 Sep 1992 in Octlan,Jalisco,Mexico.

Thank you.

Paul Gomez

I hope none of you are taking the information in the IGI as being 100% credible. Although the information that was extracted and placed in the IGI is mostly correct there are often errors that were made by the extractors. Common mistakes are in the spelling of the names and surnames. Occasionally, the surname of the mother is used instead of that of the father; even though the original record has the father listed. On one occasion I found that the names of the paternal grandparents were put as the name of the parents, skipping the parents altogether. What I am trying to say is, you need to look at the original record to be sure that the information that was extracted is correct. Another good reason to look at the original is because it could yield additional information.

Espero que ninguno de ustedes está tomando la información en el IGI como 100% correcta. Aunque la información que se extrae y se coloca en el IGI es correcta en su mayoría, a menudo hay errores que fueron hechos por los extractores. Errores comunes en la ortografía de los nombres y apellidos. En ocasiones, el apellido de la madre se utiliza en lugar de la del padre, a pesar de que en el registro original el padre esta listado. En una ocasión me encontré con que los nombres de los abuelos paternos fueron puestos como los nombred de los padres, los padres se pasaron por completo. Bueno, lo que estoy tratando de decir es que, se tiene que ver el registro original para asegurarse de que la información que se extrajo es correcta. Otra buena razón para mirar el original se debe a que podría proporcionar información adicional.

Saludos desde Lago Salado (Salt Lake City, Utah)
Eduardo H Seoane
EduardoHSeoane@gmail.com

Hello there , My name Is Gerry casillas from Downey Ca. i am researching my mothers side of the the Family. Her maiden name is Enriquez. Her parents are Jesus Enriquez and Mother Maria Luisa Gutierrez. Her Grand Parents are Felipe Enriquez & Maria Antonia Romo the other Grand Parents areJuan Gutierrez and Ignacia Romo.

I am new to this site, and am so excited to become a part of it! I have been researching my family history since December 2008. I have completed alot on my side of the family, but have come to a brick wall in researching my husbands family.

Jose R Rodriguez was born September 2, 1888. my research up to now states that he was born in Calvillo, Aguascalientes, Mexico. I do not know who his parents were. In 1912, he married Maria Luna b. May 10, 1891 in Mexico. They immigrated to the US between 1912 and 1920, as they are on the 1920 Census in Kansas. Jose died on September 17, 1979 in Deerfield, Kansas. Maria died November 17, 1956 in Lakin, Kansas.

This is all the info i have at the moment. Can't wait to dig deeper into the research and hopefully one day i can visit these beautiful places!

Don't take this the wrong way, but maybe the indians weren't "uprising"
when they killed your great-grandfathers. Maybe the indians were just
defending themselves against an uprising and they were killed as a
result of it.

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3. Re: Apaches in Zacatecas in 1854? (Erlinda Castanon-Long)
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I came across the term "Gracinas" in the LDS records today. It was
placed in lieu of a birth date under the "Events" section of a marriage
record (the marriage details were all there).

Not being entirely conversant in Spanish, I looked the word up in my
dictionary and found nothing. I know there are more experienced minds
at work on this list and so hope to prevail upon your expertise for an
answer/definition/history/explanation, etc. of this terminology and its
application in this record.

You're all the best, and your help greatly appreciated!

Annette

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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 20:34:17 -0700 (PDT)
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I was reading information about the Haciendas of the Zacatecas region.
And I was reading this link about the Hacienda of San Mateo, Valparaiso,
Zacatecas, Mexico:

http://www.lasviboras.com/cronica.html

It describes about several Haciendas - San Mateo of Valparaiso,
Zacatecas, Mexico, Hacienda de las Viboras - does not say location of
that Hacienda....but years ago one time I scrolled through microfilm of
Xerez, Zacatecas the year 1620, defuntos and saw that name "Hacienda De
Las Viboras" in Xerez, Zacatecas. So when I was reading the link
recently and again saw the name Hacienda De Las Viboras, I already knew
it's location.

Now, in the link it mentions Benito Del Hoyo and that he was killed by
Apaches from the (North). So that would mean that the Apaches of the
USA were fleeing the USA cavalary, crossed into Mexico and even got as
far to Zacatecas?

Also, by coincidence, when I was scrolling through defunto records of
Huejuquilla El Alto, from the 1800's, I saw a defunto of the Del Hoyo's.
Benito Del Hoyo and his sons were killed by "Ladrones" as it was recored
in the defunto records. It stuck to my mind because of how a father and
his sons were killed by Ladrones.

Now when I read the link and it says that Benito Del Hoyo and his sons
were killed by Apaches in 1854, I began to wonder if that is the same
person that I saw in the archives years ago?

Here is the link that you can read:

http://www.lasviboras.com/cronica.html

And I made a picture of the paragraph where I found a reference to the
Apaches:

http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/9528/82300966.jpg

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 06:01:32 -0700 (PDT)
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My family was from the district of Jerez and in a recording made by my
grandfathers sister she mentions that her grandparents Juan Jose
Castanon and Zeferina Mejia were killed by Indians in Recodo, district
of Jerez. This occured between 1850 and 1860 so apparently there were
still Indian uprisings in the area during that time period. No mention
was made of what tribe or band the Indians were.

thanks for sharing your story.
Linda Castanon-Long

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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Apaches in Zacatecas in 1854?

I was reading information about the Haciendas of the Zacatecas region.?
And I was reading this link about the Hacienda of San Mateo, Valparaiso,
Zacatecas, Mexico:

http://www.lasviboras.com/cronica.html

It describes about several Haciendas - San Mateo of Valparaiso,
Zacatecas, Mexico,? Hacienda de las Viboras - does not say location of
that Hacienda....but years ago one time I scrolled through microfilm of
Xerez, Zacatecas the year 1620, defuntos and saw that name "Hacienda De
Las Viboras"? in Xerez, Zacatecas. So when I was reading the link
recently and again saw the name Hacienda De Las Viboras, I already knew
it's location.

Now, in the link it mentions Benito Del Hoyo and that he was killed by
Apaches from the (North).? So that would mean that the Apaches of the
USA were fleeing the USA cavalary, crossed into Mexico and even got as
far to Zacatecas??
Also, by coincidence, when I was scrolling through defunto records of
Huejuquilla El Alto, from the 1800's, I saw a defunto of the Del
Hoyo's.? Benito Del Hoyo and his sons were killed by "Ladrones" as it
was recored in the defunto records.? It stuck to my mind because of how
a father and his sons were killed by Ladrones.

Now when I read the link and it says that Benito Del Hoyo and his sons
were killed by Apaches in 1854, I began to wonder if that is the same
person that I saw in the archives years ago?

Here is the link that you can read:

http://www.lasviboras.com/cronica.html

And I made a picture of the paragraph where I found a reference to the
Apaches:

http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/9528/82300966.jpg