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Hello,

I also have de Anda in my family. I have Rafael de Anda who was married to Josefa Ortega. They had Maria Alvina de la Merced de Anda Ortega on March 31, 1794.

She married Jose Rafael Muñoz Romo on the 5th of May, 1813. They had Jose Narcisco Muñoz de Anda the 29 of October, 1831.

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Hola, yo temgo algunos nombres en mi genealogia  y son Navarro y Barba tal vez te sirvan toda  mi familia es de tepatitlan jalisco bueno la mayor parte/ Martha Gomez
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From: "Raul De Anda"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 5:05:17 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] De Anda family Tepatitlan, Jalisco

I am searching for information regarding my family tree back to my great grandfather Pedro De Anda circa 1884 in Tepatitlan, Jalisco.  Also Navarro or Barba from same community.  I have some names, photos and a newspaper dated 1884.

Raul,

I don't have De Anda in my family tree, but I often travel to Tepatitlan to visit my in-laws.? There are many De Anda families still living in Tepa who are very?important to the community.? I hope you are able to connect with them as you research.

Eloise?Reyes?

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From: Raul De Anda
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thu, Sep 10, 2009 4:05 pm
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] De Anda family Tepatitlan, Jalisco

I am searching for information regarding my family tree back to my great
grandfather Pedro De Anda circa 1884 in Tepatitlan, Jalisco.? Also Navarro or
Barba from same community.? I have some names, photos and a newspaper dated
1884.

Hi Joseph:

There is a website called: Actaexpress.com in El Paso. They can get birth
certificates, marriage certificates and other legal documents from most
places in Mexico, for a fee, of course. The better alternative is to
contact the Registro Civil in Jerez, Zacatecas. I am sure Jerez has a
website with a directory where you can find a way to contact their office of
the Registro Civil.

Good luck.

John Gonzalez

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Puentes"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 19:25
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] 1968 ot 1969 ???

>
> Are there any online sources of information or portals where records can
> be requested for the 1968 and 1969 time period for Altas Palmas, Jerez,
> Zacatecas? I have a person who is trying to confirm their own date of
> birth and I don't know where he would write to request documents.
> Information that can be requested Online or via the Postal system is what
> I'm trying to obtain for this person.
>
> thanks for your help,
>
> joseph
>
>

Jaime,

I have compiled some information about Diego de Aguayo and Francisca Javiera
Becerra Contreras. However, I must warn you that I have not verified this
information, and that it should be verified using other sources.

I have Diego's parents as Nicolás de Aguayo and Juana de la Cruz González,
who married 19 Sep 1672 in Nochistlán, Zac. (LDS Film 0226724 Marriages
1627-1686 Nochistlán, Zac.) Juana was a native of Santa María de los Lagos,
Jalisco. Parents of Nicolás de Aguayo were Diego de Aguayo and Isabel de
Arisaga. Parents of Juana de la Cruz González were Juan de la Cruz and
María Andrea González.

Diego de Aguayo (m. to Francisca Becerra) had a brother named Nicolás de
Aguayo, who was baptized 6 Sep 1683 in Nochistlán, Zac. (LDS Film 0226646
Baptisms 1627-1686 Nochistlán, Zac.).

The parents of Francisca Javiera Becerra Contreras were Miguel Becerra and
Nicolasa de Contreras. Parents of Nicolasa de Contreras were Juan de
Contreras and Josepha de Saavedra, both from Lagos.

Diego de Aguayo and Francisca Becerra had a son named Macario de Aguayo y
Contreras who married 1) Mónica Durán Cuevas 22 Dec 1746 and 2) Thomasa de
Luna (I'm not sure which marriage was first).

I also have a second marriage for Francisca Javiera Becerra Contreras. She
married Santiago de Contreras Macías from Nochistlán, Zac., son of Lucas
Contreras Lomelín and Juana Macías Valadez. Their daughter Ana María
Contreras Macías married Raphael Ferrer Millero 20 Jun 1742 in Nochistlán
(LDS Film 0226726 Marriages 1736-1762 Nochistlán, Zac.)

Notice that the approximate dob 1730 and 1735 for Diego de Aguayo and
Francisca Becerra do not match the above information. Seems to be a
difference of one or two generations. Coult there be another couple with
the same names? I have nothing on Cándido de Aguayo, who married María
Gómez de Mendoza.

Hope this info. is helpful to you.

BILL FIGUEROA

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To:
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 3:03 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Aguayo and Becerra

> Trying to find information on Diego De Aguayo (birth abt. 1730) married
> Francisca De Becerra (birth abt. 1735) parents to Candido De Aguayo (Wife
> Maria Gomez De Mendoza). They had a son named Agapito De Aguayo married to
> Narciza De Loza, married 21 May 1827. In information is appreciated.
> Thanks in Adavance, Jaime Gonzalez

Hi Rose, you info is confusing to me.. 

My files are on Rootsweb.com  complete with whatever source record I have and Jose Bentura Gutierrez is my direct ancestor on my Mothers side, she was Gutierrez.  I have this Gutierrez line back to abt 1660 in Michoacan.

Some of the dates and names you have do not match my records though..

I'd be glad to help make corrections to my files or yours if I can..

Linda in B.C.

--- On Mon, 9/14/09, rosehardy@hotmail.com wrote:

From: rosehardy@hotmail.com
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Gutierrez, Valencia, Padilla, Vega, Placencia from Tamazula and Reyes, Vasquez, Ochoa, Manriquez, Montano and Gomez from Tuxpan
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Monday, September 14, 2009, 5:02 PM

Hello cousins

I'm helping out a gentleman in Mexico who is starting his genealogy....I've found quite a bit on his lines and was wondering if anyone in the group is familiar with these families? All the info I've found is in the LDS Pilot site and/or the IGI. This is just a sample of what I've got so far....

JOSE BENTURA GUTIERRES MENDOSA Male Christening:04 AUG 1811 San Francisco, Tamazula De Gordiano, Jalisco
Father:  YGNACIO GUTIERRES  Mother:  MARIA PETRA MENDOSA 
Groom's name: Migel Padilla
Bride's name: Maria Sesilia Palencia
Marriage date: 11 Sep 1817
Residence: Tamazula de Gordiano, Jalisco, Mexico
Marriage place: San Francisco, Tamazula De Gordiano, Jalisco, Mexico
Batch number: M60376-4
Date range: 1788 - 1826
Record group: Mexico-VR
Film number: 226027
Collection: Mexico Marriages 1700-1900

Name: Saturnina Gutierrez Vega
Gender: Female
Christening date: 03 Dec 1863
Christening place: SAN FRANCISCO, TAMAZULA DE GORDIANO, JALISCO, MEXICO
Residence: Tamazula de Gordiano, Jalisco, Mexico
Birthplace: Santa Rosa
Father's name: Ventura Gutierrez
Mother’s name: Petra Vega
Paternal grandfather's name: Ygnacio Gutierrez
Paternal grandmother's name: Petra Mendoza
Maternal grandfather's name: Feliciano Vega
Maternal grandmother's name: Rafaela Flores
Batch number: C60375-9
Date range: 1860 - 1866
Record group: Mexico-VR
Film number: 225991
Collection: Mexico Baptisms 1700-1900

Name: Andres Reyes
Gender: Male
Christening date: 21 Nov 1884
Christening place: Tuxpan, Jalisco, Mexico
Residence: Tuxpan, Jalisco, Mexico
Father's name: Onofre Reyes
Mother's name: Policarpia Vasquez
Batch number: I06913-1
Record group: Mexico-EASy
Film number: 282122
Collection: Mexico Baptisms 1700-190
Name: José Aniceto Manriquez
Gender: Male
Christening date: 18 Apr 1883
Christening place: Tuxpan, Jalisco, Mexico
Residence: Tuxpan, Jalisco, Mexico
Father's name: Jesus Manriquez
Mother's name: Cipriana Montano
Batch number: I06913-1
Record group: Mexico-EASy
Film number: 282122
Collection: Mexico Baptisms 1700-1900

Name: Jose Guadalupe Ochoa
Gender: Male
Christening date: 19 Dec 1894
Christening place: Tuxpan, Jalisco, Mexico
Residence: Tuxpan, Jalisco, Mexico
Father's name: Cesareo Ochoa
Mother's name: Apolonia Gomez
Batch number: I02513-4
Record group: Mexico-EASy
Film number: 282123
Collection: Mexico Baptisms 1700-1900

Thanks
Rose

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> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 15:20:15 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Antonio Nungaray
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> Te voy a agradecer mucho si me facilitas la imagen de esa acta de nacimiento.
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> Seguimos en contacto.
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> Suerte es lo que pasa cuando la preparaciòn encuentra a la oportunidad. Sèneca.
> Enrique Nungaray LUTCF
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Michael D. Castro

Yo naci en San Cristobal de la Barranca Jal. en Dic. de 1955

y conosco muchas personas de apellido Castro, ya sea en San Cristobal o en el Mezquital del Oro Zac. y aunque no conosco Huitzila se que esta muy serca de San Cristobal.En el Family History Center de Riverside California Tengo Varios Rollos a mi disposicion, Ya sea de San Cristobal de la Barranca, Jal.O del Mezquital del Oro, Zac.de donde Heran mis Padres.

Si tienes interes,yo te puedo hayudar dame los mas datos que tengas

Jose Luis Felix

Perris California.

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: hrhmichaeldc@yahoo.com
> Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 00:32:04 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Greetings from a Newbie
>
> Hello! I'm glad to have found a site dedicated to the exact area that my ancestors are from... I have been bitten, recently, by the geneology bug - but have always wondered about the lives of my ancestors and have felt the desire to know their names and key dates in their lives.
>
> My paternal grandparents were born in (or around) Huitzila, Zac. My grandfather (Apolonio Castro Bañuelos, b. circa 1921) came to the US in the 40's (settled in California later) and then brought my grandmother (Maria de Jesus Correa Uribe) and some children, with the rest being born here in the U.S.
>
> I have had some trouble digging up names from some databases - mostly of my grandparents themselves and their parents generation, which I attribute (correctly or not), to a possible fire in the town church/record hall, possibly during the Cristero war? (The idea of the fire comes from my grandmother). They have never known their real birthdays.
>
> My grandfather's parents: *Damaso/Damas (*or some other form) Castro Tejeda and Petra Bañuelos Herrera.
>
> My grandmother's parents: Leopoldo Correa *Vasquez (b. 1898, El Teul, Zac.) and Maria Altagracia Uribe Campos (absolutely nothing on her).
>
> Just recently I have found two marriage dates for my grandfather's grandparents!
>
> Nicolás Castro
> m. Simona *Tejeda (*or Tegeda, as it was written in the digital entry)
> 11th Feb. 1874
> Mezquital Del Oro, Zac.
>
> and also,
>
> Genaro Bañuelos
> m. Epigmenia Herrera
> 12th Oct. 1884
> San Cristóbal de la Barranca, Jal. (Just over the border from Zac.)
>
> I am lucky enough to have a grandmother who recounted not only all of her grandparents' names, but also the names of my grandfather's grandparents (!) - so I'm quite sure they're correct (As the dates/places seem right).
>
> But have no idea where to go from there! Have any advice?
>
> Thanks so much,
> Michael D. Castro

Bienvenido Michael, I too descend from the Correas of El Teul De gonzales Zacatecas, I have records of most of them dating back to 1800's starting with Jose Maria Correa and Isabel Sandoval, I don't see a connection yet of your ancestors to mine yet but i will keep on trying. You might want to check my file in the ranchos, under Anna Arellano Smith.
Saludos, Anna Arellano Smith

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From: "hrhmichaeldc@yahoo.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2009 12:32:04 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Greetings from a Newbie

Hello! I'm glad to have found a site dedicated to the exact area that my ancestors are from... I have been bitten, recently, by the geneology bug - but have always wondered about the lives of my ancestors and have felt the desire to know their names and key dates in their lives.
My paternal grandparents were born in (or around) Huitzila, Zac. My grandfather (Apolonio Castro Bañuelos, b. circa 1921) came to the US in the 40's (settled in California later) and then brought my grandmother (Maria de Jesus Correa Uribe) and some children, with the rest being born here in the U.S.
I have had some trouble digging up names from some databases - mostly of my grandparents themselves and their parents generation, which I attribute (correctly or not), to a possible fire in the town church/record hall, possibly during the Cristero war? (The idea of the fire comes from my grandmother). They have never known their real birthdays.

My grandfather's parents: *Damaso/Damas (*or some other form) Castro Tejeda and Petra Bañuelos Herrera.

My grandmother's parents: Leopoldo Correa *Vasquez (b. 1898, El Teul, Zac.) and Maria Altagracia Uribe Campos (absolutely nothing on her).

Just recently I have found two marriage dates for my grandfather's grandparents!

Nicolás Castro m. Simona *Tejeda (*or Tegeda, as it was written in the digital entry)
11th Feb. 1874
Mezquital Del Oro, Zac.

and also,

Genaro Bañuelos
m. Epigmenia Herrera
12th Oct. 1884
San Cristóbal de la Barranca, Jal. (Just over the border from Zac.)

I am lucky enough to have a grandmother who recounted not only all of her grandparents' names, but also the names of my grandfather's grandparents (!) - so I'm quite sure they're correct (As the dates/places seem right).

But have no idea where to go from there! Have any advice?
Thanks so much,
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I'm excited to find out! Do you have any idea, off the top of your head, where Bernarda was born? (I'm under the impression they're all from Zac.) Also, I'd like to see her parent's names, as that would possibly be the farthest back I've been thus far(!) I'm not sure what we need to know to make certain, but if you have any questions feel free to ask.

One thing I thought was interesting was her name spelled Nicolaza Vasquez (or Varquez in the entires, which must be a typo), which I always imagined to be Nicolasa with an 's'. Of course, in those days there probably weren't strong standards (?) not that its too important right now!

So Bernarda is your great or great-great grandmother?, you listed both =)

I'm also a coin collector (mostly US coins). I have a few thousand coins that I collected in the 1950s and 1960s. Most are AU or XF condition. Some are very rare and very valuable.

My prize coin was given to me a few years ago. It's a silver peso from Mexico. It is almost uncirculated. It was minted in 1944, the year of my birth in Mexico.

Jose Carlos de Leon

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> Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 21:27:56 -0400
> From: makas@nc.rr.com
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] 8 Real Coins
>
>
> I have some significant happenings in my family in 1793 with my GGGG
> grandparents Justo Puente and Josefa Sanchez being married in Sombrerete
> and also my twin GGG grandfathers both named Jose Tadeo Diaz being born
> in Sauz de Los Marquez. So awhile back I went to the local Coin store
> and had the guy go to the next coin show and purchase me a 1/2 real very
> small silver coin dating 1793 for $30. Unfortunately the date is so worn
> that you can just tell that it is 1793. So I have had him hunting for a
> better coin from that date but his report to me is that that particular
> date is hard to come by BUT there are plenty of excellent condition
> coins in the period from 1794-1799 in the 8 Real denomination minted in
> Mexico.
>
> I have no financial interest in this just though I'd let folks know that
> for between $80-$125 range you can get an 8 Real Coin in good shape in
> the 1794-1799 time period minted in Mexico. If you have a local coin
> dealer you trust have him/her look into it or let me know and I'll put
> you in touch with my coin dealer who says he can get them.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_dollar
>
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Coins from Colonial Mexico circulated widely in the English colonies in North America, and in fact were common in the early days of the United States. In fact, they circulated widely throughout the world.

The 8 reales silver coin is the size of the old silver dollars, and when in one of the better grades is quite striking! This coin is also called the Spanish Milled Dollar, or a Piece of Eight. Thomas Jefferson recommended to the Continental Congress in 1776 that it be adopted as the official currency of the new United States.

The 8 reales coin was divided into 8 parts or bits. Two bits was equal to to 25 cents in the US (remember the old rhyme ... 2 bits, 4 bits, 6 bits, a dollar?).

The Mexico city mint mark is an M with a little circle over it. These same coins were also minted in Bolivia, Chile, Colombia, Guatemala and Peru; these will be identified by different mint marks.

Earlier coins exist from the 1500s; these are irregular in shape and are referred to as "cobs." These are more expensive, and especially so when in good condition, and when they have a date on them.

There are also gold coins from the colonial period; these are quite expensive.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

This is just to expand on previous comments.

According to DICCIONARIO PANHISPÁNICO DE DUDAS - Primera edición (octubre 2005) from the Real Academia Española that during the Middle Ages the X was pronounced similar the current way of sh in English and the ch in French.
http://buscon.rae.es/dpdI/SrvltGUIBusDPD?lema=x

Although Antonio de Nebrija, the author of la primera gramática española (1492), wrote "La x, ya dijimos qué son tiene en el latín, y que no es otra cosa sino breviatura de cs; nosotros dámosle tal pronunciación, cual suena en las primeras letras de estas dicciones: xenabe, xabón, o en las últimas de aquestas: relox, balax; mucho contra su naturaleza, porque esta pronunciación, como dijimos, es propia de la lengua arábiga, de donde parece que vino a nuestro lenguaje."
http://www.antoniodenebrija.org/libro1.html#5

The Real Academia Española also asks for the world to respect México and to spell it's name and other similar names to be spelled in this way.
http://buscon.rae.es/dpdI/SrvltGUIBusDPD?lema=M%E9xico

However many refuse to respect the spelling of México.
http://forum.wordreference.com/showthread.php?t=211016

The use of x as /sh/ still exists in Spain with the Basque names and words such as Xavier and Etxeverría. Xavi from FC Barcelona is Catalan but the etymological origin of his name is Basque and is pronounced by the whole country of Spain as Shavi.

Armando

To Arturo:

The use of the letter "x" in Spanish is one of the strongest indicators of an Arabic influence in the language. At some point the Academia Real decided that the sound represented by the "x" wasn't acceptable anymore. I no longer remember which edition of their dictionary enunciates the change. The decision to keep the "x" in the Spanish of the Americas was made at the time the nations of the western hemisphere broke away from Spanish political control.

The sound in Arabic is made by bending back the tongue and vibrating the back part of the velum in the buccal cavity at the same time forcing air into the pharyngeal area. What actually occurred is that the sounds of Spanish have become more oral and less guttural. When the christians arrived in the western hemisphere the almost 100% phonetic ability of 6th century Spanish came in handy. Spanish succeeded in graphically representing virtually every sound they heard in the languages of the newly discovered indigenes. The sound is somewhat complicated to use. The sound has been replaced in Spanish without the feature of doubling the tongue back. Reading the church records will show you that it took awhile to settle on whether to use a "j, g, h, or x" in standard orthography. The languages of the western hemisphere did not create the need for the letter "x". Sixteenth century Spanish already had been using that letter for centuries before 1492. Linguists have decided on using "j" with the vowels "a, o, u" and "g" with vowels "e, I". The reason is a somewhat Germanic one- in German the vowels "a, o, u" are considered "strong" and need the "j". The others are weak and the letter "g" will do. My German instructor used this terminology but it's possible that it is no longer described in that fashion.

Many years ago (class of '61) my language professors stated that the rejection of the "j" in the name of Mexico was deliberately done. It was a conscious act of rejecting the past of Spanish oppressive rule. I personally consider it an attempt to affront those whose nation is no longer under the domination of Spain.

I hope I answered at least some of your question and didn't just "muddy the waters."

-----Original Message-----
>From: arturo.ramos2@gmail.com
>Sent: Sep 6, 2009 3:39 AM
>To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Méjico vs. Mexico
>
>I have noticed that some members of the group spell México with a J, ie. Méjico.
>
>For exmaple in Daniel's message from about a year ago he wrote:
>
>Once you reach Manuel's grandfather who ever he may have been you will connecto to all of us in someway, youll go back so far in your genealogy 1500-1600, and given the right line back to the Kings of Spain and princes of Europe, I connect to royalty thanks to my Spanish, Portuguese and German ancestry. Its a good feeling knowing where you come from but the best is for the perservation for future generations. Since you have alteño ancestors, you're full spanish i suppose, until we can get further possibly italian, portugues, french and others who arrived in Méjico. -Daniel
>
>I was just wondering about the politics/tradition/meaning behind the use of such a spelling and would appreciate any comments.

I was raised spelling Mexico as Méjico. I asked this along time ago. Maybe its because

my parents are alteños. According to my grandfather (I try to paraphrase as best as I remember!)

I guess in Old Castilian the X was used for J, since the letter didnt exist but the sound did.

So the X made the J sound. When the conquistadores came they learned the people were

Mexica (Mesheeca) so they gave it a more Europeanized name, Mexico (except the X stood for sounds that didnt exist in Castilian, ie. SH. During the colony it was actually still pronounced Meshico, except it had the Castilian Whistle not actually SH like in English. When more Europeans were deciding where to go in America, thye would prob ask "Por que no vamos a Mexico (Mesico) (whistle). But at the same Mexico was really used. Mexico being Spain's principal colony usually was just reffered as New Spain, it was common usage. Then or eventually in the early colony the X slowly changed to the J and K sound. I guess there were rules on the J and K giving birth to modern Castilian. In NEw spain the J would be pronounced the same in Spain, the gargal (sounds like German?). During the last years of the colony Mexico was spelt as Mejico, eventually the MExican Criollos changed back to Mexico because for them the J sound was X. I am getting confused as I type! Its a difficult subject. Eventually down the line (today) parts of Mejico and Spain spell it as Méjico. Because its 'proper' usage by the Real Academia Española. Parts like Los Altos its very popular to spell it MEjico, I would think all alteños would spell it like that? Mariano Gonzalez Leal does as well. I know I get a bunch of comments why do you spell it like that? I tell people, its how my ancestors spelt it and how I learned. Since Los Altos is so high, we might have kept colonial stuff from Spain? I know my parents have a little tiny whistle when they talk. How I speak is how my parents speak, its the same basic concept, imagine since all alteños intermarried were the same family by blood just different last names. Im pretty sure we have our own little dialect going on. I do feel like an alteño eventhough botn in the US, i have learned the culture, raised in it, look like the typical alteño, lived there for a year, eat the food, speech, genealogy has helped me a lot feel proud of who my ancestors were a very proud and hard working people. Well not sure if this helps or at least sheds light! -Daniel Camino

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> Parents: Father: JUAN DE LA CONCEPCION Family Mother: LORENZA DE LA
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> M602985 1771 - 1834 0445146 Film NONE
>

Sandra I've never used this film series but just putting the information
out in case you want to have a look at one of there films and report
back to the group about the type of information found within:

Title
Documentos eclesiásticos, 1604-1898

Authors
Iglesia Católica. Diócesis de Guadalajara (México) (Main Author)

Notes
Microfilme de manuscritos en el Archivo de la Sagrada Mitra en Guadalajara.
Ordenes de los ingresos al sacerdocio.
Documents regarding ordinations to the priesthood within the Roman
Catholic Diocese of Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico.

Subjects
México, Jalisco - Church records
México, Jalisco, Guadalajara - Church records

Format
Manuscript (On Film)

Language
Spanish

Publication
Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmados por la Sociedad Genealógica de Utah,
1957-1958

Physical
131 carretes de microfilme ; 35 mm.

Film Notes
Note - Location [Film]
Ordenes 1648-1881 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168673 ]
Ordenes 1600-1699 - FHL INTL Film [ 168674 ]
Ordenes 1600-1628, 1714 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168675 ]
Ordenes 1620-1659 - FHL INTL Film [ 168676 ]
Ordenes 1604-1691 - FHL INTL Film [ 168677 ]
Ordenes 1614-1668 - FHL INTL Film [ 168678 ]
Ordenes 1668-1684 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168679 ]
Ordenes 1684-1699, 1703, 1708 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168680 ]
Ordenes 1662-1692 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168681 ]
Ordenes 1689-1694 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168682 ]
Ordenes 1679-1694 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168683 ]
Ordenes 1698-1803 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168684 ]
Ordenes 1700-1758 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168685 ]
Ordenes 1758-1775 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168686 ]
Ordenes 1767-1772 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168687 ]
Ordenes 1771-1772 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168688 ]
Ordenes 1771-1774 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168689 ]
Ordenes 1772-1787 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168690 ]
Ordenes 1700-1717 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168691 ]
Ordenes 1715-1754 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168692 ]
Ordenes 1754-1794 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168693 ]
Ordenes 1702-1735 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168694 ]
Ordenes 1734-1794 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168695 ]
Ordenes 1700-1707 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168696 ]
Ordenes 1707-1736 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168697 ]
Ordenes 1736-1765 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168698 ]
Ordenes 1772-1779 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168699 ]
Ordenes 1772-1779 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168700 ]
Ordenes 1779-1799 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168701 ]
Ordenes 1787-1799 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168702 ]
Ordenes 1798-1799 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168703 ]
Ordenes 1701-1787 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168704 ]
Ordenes 1701-1746 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168705 ]
Ordenes 1746-1747 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168706 ]
Ordenes 1747-1798 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168707 ]
Ordenes 1702-1748 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168708 ]
Ordenes 1747-1778 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168709 ]
Ordenes 1777-1794 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168710 ]
Ordenes 1780-1796 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168711 ]
Ordenes 1796 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168712 ]
Ordenes 1790-1796 (años fuera de orden) - VAULT INTL Film [ 168713 ]
Ordenes 1796-1799 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168714 ]
Ordenes 1707-1791 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168715 ]
Ordenes 1716-1794 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168716 ]
Ordenes 1703-1792 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168717 ]
Ordenes 1703-1793 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168718 ]
Ordenes 1703-1752 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168719 ]
Ordenes 1748-1752 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168720 ]
Ordenes 1751-1772 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168721 ]
Ordenes 1761-1784 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168722 ]
Ordenes 1724-1733 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168723 ]
Ordenes 1730-1741 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168724 ]
Ordenes 1722-1741 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168725 ]
Ordenes 1732-1733 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168726 ]
Ordenes 1760-1776 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168727 ]
Ordenes 1765-1777 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168728 ]
Ordenes 1774-1783 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168729 ]
Ordenes 1770-1798 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168731 ]
Ordenes 1786, 1791, 1796-1798 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168732 ]
Ordenes 1714-1753 (faltan años) - VAULT INTL Film [ 168733 ]
Ordenes 1742-1785 (faltan años) - VAULT INTL Film [ 168734 ]
Ordenes 1756-1799 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168735 ]
Ordenes 1787-1800 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168736 ]
Ordenes 1714-1737 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168737 ]
Ordenes 1737-1738 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168738 ]
Ordenes 1734-1741 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168739 ]
Ordenes 1741-1748 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168740 ]
Ordenes 1748-1797 (faltan años) - VAULT INTL Film [ 168741 ]
Ordenes 1756-1762 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168742 ]
Ordenes 1753-1763 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168743 ]
Ordenes 1761-1763 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168744 ]
Ordenes 1762-1765 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168745 ]
Ordenes 1771-1803 (faltan años) - VAULT INTL Film [ 168746 ]
Ordenes 1651-1829 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168747 ]
Ordenes 1757-1789 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168748 ]
Ordenes 1784-1805 (faltan años) - VAULT INTL Film [ 168749 ]
Ordenes 1757-1799 (faltan años) - VAULT INTL Film [ 168750 ]
Ordenes 1797-1808 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168751 ]
Ordenes 1807-1819 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168752 ]
Ordenes 1819-1824 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168753 ]
Ordenes 1824-1831 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168754 ]
Ordenes 1830-1855 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168755 ]
Ordenes 1853-1855 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168756 ]
Ordenes 1855, 1861-1862 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168757 ]
Ordenes 1800-1814 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168758 ]
Ordenes 1814-1837 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168759 ]
Ordenes 1836-1839 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168760 ]
Ordenes 1839-1841 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168761 ]
Ordenes 1840-1844 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168762 ]
Ordenes 1844-1850 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168763 ]
Ordenes 1850-1865 - FHL INTL Film [ 168764 ]
Ordenes 1864-1865 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168765 ]
Ordenes 1800-1893 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168766 ]
Ordenes 1889-1891 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168767 ]
Ordenes 1800-1805 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168768 ]
Ordenes 1805-1815 (años fuera de orden) - VAULT INTL Film [ 168769 ]
Ordenes 1805-1808 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168770 ]
Ordenes 1805-1818 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168771 ]
Ordenes 1817-1845 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168772 ]
Ordenes 1845-1857 - VAULT INTL Film [ 168773 ]

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sandragomezmendoza wrote:
>
> Hello to all!
>
> I just got back from Guadalajara. I was not able to attend the Valle
> de Guadalupe meeting because my uncle was very ill so I went straight
> to Guadalajara. Not all was lost. He told me that my GGGG
> Grandfather, Calisto Samaniego born around 1820, probably in
> Juchipila, was a priest that left the priesthood to marry/be with Lina
> Salazar, my GGGG Grandmother. I descend from his son Jesus Samaniego
> and Cayetana Castaneda. Any idea on how I can get started solving
> this mystery? I can't find any other info on him/Lina.
>
> Thanks!
>
> ***************************
>
> Hola a todos!
>
> Acabo de llegar de Guadalajara. No pude atender la reunion en Valle
> de Gpe porque mi Tio estaba muy enfermo y tuve que irme directo a
> Guadalajara... pero no todo esta perdido. El me dijo que mi 4o
> bisabuelo Calisto Samaniego, nacido alrededor del 1820, probablemente
> en Juchipila, fue un sacerdote que abandono la iglesia para
> casarse/estar con Lina Salazar, mi 4a bisabuela. Yo desciendo de su
> hijo Jesus Samaniego y Cayetana Castaneda. Alguien tiene una idea de
> como puedo confirmar este misterio? No he podido encontrar mas
> informacion acerca de el o de Lina.
>
> Gracias de antemano!
>
> Sandra Gómez Mendoza
> San Antonio, TX

Hi Esther,
Can you check for the PAULINO SEVILLA married to HEXIQUIA MORGUTIA. Both are my grandparents.  I don't know where exactly they were born. To my understanding they may have been born in Santa Catarina Jalisco (AKA General Andres Figueroa) or Zacoalco de Torres, but they could have born anywhere.

I known that many SEVILLA'S were born in Zacoalco and the sorrounding localities, but I have not been able to trace further back than my grandfather Paulino Sevilla.

I know that his name appears in the 1930 census. That's all I know.
Thanks Francisco

--- On Fri, 9/4/09, Esther wrote:

From: Esther
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] FW: 1930 Census for Jalisco
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Friday, September 4, 2009, 4:01 PM

 Hi everyone,

We have started indexing for the State of Jalisco, starting with Acatlan de Juarez, specifically Los Pozos.  If anyone would like me to look out for names from this location please get back to me.  I can only download 5 badges at a time, as I am sure there will be many others doing Jalisco.

-Esther Jordan Lopez

Hi Rose,

An explanation is in the first few pages of the Record Book of Informaciones Matrimoniales (No. 54/55). The title on pg. 1 (Image 2 of 432) reads as follows:

"Año de 1739
Autos sobre la dotación de las huérfanas que fundó para esta Villa de Aguas Calientes, la de Lagos, y Real de los Asientos, Don Ylario González.
Superintendente de ellas y demás Dotaciones Piadosas el Dr. D. Manuel Colón de Larreategui, Cura Beneficiado y Vicario Juez Eclesiástico de dicha Villa"

The freelance translation of this title is as follows:

"Year of 1739
"Proceedings about the endowment for orphans founded for the town of Aguas Calientes, and those of Lagos and the Real de los Asientos by Mr. Ylario González.
The Superintendent of these and other pious causes Dr. Don Manuel Colón de Larreategui, Clergyman and Vicar, Judge of Ecclesiastical Affairs of said village."

The introduction explains that Mr. Ylario González, obviously a wealthy man, left a substantial amount of money for charity and other pious causes, which were written in his final will and testament. He left R. 2,000 (reales oro) for a "capellanía" or fund for the Church administered by Miguel Ylario González as Chaplain; R. 2,000 for another "capellanía" administered by the sons of D. Joseph Palacios; R. 2,000 for the festivities of Ntra. Sra. de los Dolores in the Parish of Asientos; R. 1,000 for an ornament for the Virgin Mary; and the remaining 16,000 reales for the orphan found. Mr. González stipulated that the orphan fund was for the legitimate daughters of the poorest families of the area. They had to be of Spanish descent, i.e. "españolas" and that the winner(s) would be selected by a draw method (sorteo). Obviously the intention was that the selected girl(s) would become nuns.

Hope this gives you a better idea of these few pages in the book. I've found similar unrelated items in other books, usually the founding of "capellanías" or chaplainships, church visits by higher Church authorities, inspections, decrees and various other religious matters.

Rgds,

BILL FIGUEROA

Hi Rose,

I took a peek at these records and I think they might be referring to young
women that entered a religious order -

"para ser admitida al (Sorteo)..." means to be admitted to something
"las pobres guerfanas se sorten en la Parrochial deste Real, siendo una
pobre guerfana con las calidadades que dicha obra pia pide...." here it goes
on to say that poor orphan girls with the necessary qualities can sign up
(sorten) at the church.

These frases were repeated in almost all the records I looked at. These are
definitely not baptimal or marriage records - the only thing I can think of
is that these women were to become nuns.

I'll keep reading - maybe there are more clues

-Angelina-