Nuestros Ranchos Site

For your parents and probably grandparents birth records of Matanzas you probably need to go to Ojuelos de Jalisco, or find someone that will go for you, to request a copy of the birth certificate. Or you can wait until records show up on pilot.familysearch.org

If you have a relative or friend in Mexico that has Telmex they should be able to access the white pages online for Tamaulipas using their account. I don't know how else you would find a phone book for those towns unless you went there yourself.

Armando

I'm not sure I'm understanding your question but it sounds like you are
looking for living relatives and or their children. One way is to get a
phone book from that area of Mexico and specifically that city and then
call all the Cortez Alvarado's first then if you have a good calling
plan for inexpensive calls to Mexico (try http://stiphonecard.com/ I
have found them very cheap) try calling every Cortez in that city giving
much information about you and finally asking if their Cortez might be
the same Cortez.

just an idea for searching for living relatives.

joseph

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NoMeat@h2opodcast.com
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http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

maria.cortes@trin.net wrote:
> Ok I need help from the group. Can anyone help me find my grandfather
> Antonio Cortez Hernandez....born in Matansas Jalisco the year 1909.
> His parents were Jose Refugio Cortez and Alejandra Hernandez.
> I am also looking for my grandmother Ma Manuela Alvarado Ortiz born in
> 1913 also in Matansas Jalisco. Her parents were Lorenso Alvarado and
> Francisca Ortiz.
>
> Antonio Cortez Hernandez was married to Ma Manuela Alvardo Ortiz.
>
> I also have one more question. Can anyone give me advice on how to
> look for my uncle Eusebio Cortez Alvarado born in Matansas Jalisco.
> He was my fathers only brother and last I heard he lived in Gonzales
> Tamaulipas or Manuel Tamaulipas. I just need advice on how I can
> search for him. I have been looking for him for the past 3 years and
> have had not luck.
>
> Cortes

To Evelyn,

In addition to what Arturo said you should consider the following. Cabillo may also be "Calvillo, Calbillo, Cavillo" and probably other ways of phonetically spelling that surname. Good luck!

David from Albany, CA

-----Original Message-----
>From: ej1357@gmail.com
>Sent: Sep 3, 2009 10:13 AM
>To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Carlos C. Gutierrez 1902-1959
>
>I am so excited to find this group. Reading the other posts gives me hope. I've run into a dead end at the border for Carlos...
>
>I'm looking for Carlos C. GUTIERREZ from the time he crossed into the USA and earlier. He stated in his naturalization papers (1954) that he immigrated and stayed in the USA continuously from 2 Jul 1926 and crossed at El Paso, Texas "on the El Paso Electric Co." He also stated that he was born 4 Nov 1902 in Union, Jalisco, Mexico.
>
>On the death records for Carlos, it states his parents were Lorenzo GUTIERREZ and Emilia CABILLO.
>
>I would be grateful for suggestions on where to look for Carlos or his parents and family.
>
>Carlos C. GUTIERREZ
>Lorenzo GUTIERREZ
>Emilia CABILLO

Evelyn:

Welcome to the group. To begin with, the name CABILLO seems a bit awry. You have to take into account people's lack of literacy and often confusion of record keepers... so given the strange name I would consider other similar names such as CARRILLO or CABELLO in your searches. Also, there is no single "Union" in Jalisco, but rather a number of different Uniones:

Union de Guadalupe (Atoyac)
Union de San Antonio
Union de Tula

Now, there are a number of sources worth looking into to try to get more information:

Mexico Border Crossing Records, searchable on Ancestry.com
(His border crossing might have more information or more correct information than his naturalization record)

Mexico 1930 Census available on pilot.familysearch.org
(He may not be there but his parents and siblings might still be. This is not searchable for Jalisco yet, but you can browse the images for the three Uniones in question, though that may be too time consuming without having more information about which particular Union and what village in that Union, etc. he was from).

Mexico Baptism records available on microfilm through the Church of Latter Day Saints through their family history centers. Again you would need to either order the relevant films for all three Uniones or try to figure out which Union he was from.

Links to all of these sources are available on the website in the Links section.

Good luck!

Joseph,

Can anyone go on this trip? or do you need to be a member of SAR? I am definitely interested but don't want to get too excited. Please advise if this is for information only, or if it's information for those who might have an interest in this trip.

Saludos desde San Jose, Calif

Alicia

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From: Joseph Puentes
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org; Ciudad_Juarez@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:06:10 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Spain and the American Revolution Travel Tour to Spain and . . .

from Judge58@aol.com

Dear TCARA members,

The SAR cordially invites you to participate in our trip to Spain to honor Spain's assistance during the American Revolutionary War. We're meeting the King of Spain and conducting a Charter celebration for the new SAR Society in Spain. We're paying homage to Gen. Bernardo Galvez in his home town, and at the Malaga Cathedral, where he was successful in obtaining the money they had saved up to build the south tower of the cathedral.

Please forward this message to the Bexar County Hispanic Genealogy Society, the Canary Island Assn, and the Granaderos de Galvez, as I don't have their respective e-mail addresses.

Details of the trip are as follows:

Please join us for the SAR trip to Spain from May 10 - 20, 2010. Group airline rates from Washington, DC are available. Stay in outstanding hotels, and enjoy delicious Spanish food. In Madrid, we are scheduled to have an audience with King Juan Carlos, who is an SAR member. The tour includes visits to the Royal Palace, Royal Armory, Army Museum, Navy Museum, Plaza Mayor, and the incomparable Prado Museum. While in Madrid we will visit El Escorial, burial site of ancient Spanish Royalty, and scenic Toledo, where the finest steel swords in the world are made. In Madrid there will be a reception at the US Embassy, where hopefully we will visit with the US Ambassador to Spain.

By train and bus we travel to Macharaviaya, the home town of General Bernardo Galvez for a celebration, followed by a ceremony at the Malaga Cathedral, where the church donated their fund for the construction of the South Tower to Gen Galvez. These funds were used for arms and ammunition to protect the Mississippi River and Gulf Coast from the British during the Revolutionary War. In Malaga visits are also planned to Gibralfaro Castle and the Old Quarter.

In Granada we will visit the incomparable Alhambra Palace, where we will gain insight into the lives of the Moors, who conquered most of Spain and occupied it for 700 years. On the Costa Del Sol, there will be time for swimming, shopping, or leisure strolls along the boardwalk. Also included is a visit to scenic Rhonda. En route we stop to view the construction of the brig Galveztown.

Consider an extra few days on the post trip extension which will allow time for visits to historic Gibraltar, and exotic Tangier, Morocco. To register and insure a place on the tour, send $200.00 per person to David Eld, Magic Meetings and Incentives, 3901 North Stevens St., Alexandria, Virginia, 22133. For additional information contact him at 703-379-8071 or e-mail him at deld@magicglobal.com Final payment due NLT Feb. 10, 2010.

A $200 deposit per person is required by 9/30/09 for the main trip and an additional $100 per person for the extension.

We hope that you will join us on this historic event.

Fraternally,

Ed Butler
President General 2009-2010

The Sons of the American Revolution is the leading male lineage society that perpetuates the ideals, principles and liberties established by the founding fathers during the American Revolution. As a patriotic, historical, and educational organization, we seek to maintain and expand the knowledge and meaning of patriotism, promote respect for our national symbols, and the value of our American citizenship. Through these efforts we hope all Americans come to have a better understanding of their rights and duties as expressed in the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights. God bless the SAR!

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The National Society of the Sons of the American Revolution
Madrid—Malaga
May 10—20 , 2010

Compatriots,

Please join us for a wonderful 10 day trip to Spain, May 10-20, 2010. We will visit the Cathedral in Malaga, where the church members donated the money for the second tower of the church to Gen Bernardo Galvez, for guns, ammunition, and supplies to fight the English up the Mississippi and along the Gulf Coast. There will be time for lounging on the beach along the Costa Del Sol. Savor the scenic side trips in the south of Spain to the exotic Alhambra Palace near Granada; enjoy a celebration in the small home town of Gen. Galvez; delight in the magnificent vista from Rhonda, historic Gibraltar, and an optional day trip to explore Tangier, Morocco.

In Madrid tour the Royal Palace and Armory, and hopefully have an audience with SAR member King Juan Carlos. In Madrid we will visit the incomparable Prado Museum, see El Cid’s huge sword at the Army Museum and marvel at the ship models in the Naval Museum. There will be time for a casual stroll through the magnificent Plaza Major, where you can savor some tapas. Side trips include visits to historic Toledo and stately Escorial, burial place of many Spanish kings.

An optional tour to Costa del Sol is offered.

Consult your tax advisor about the deductibility of this trip for members of the SAR and members of the SAR Ladies Auxiliary.

Judge Ed Butler
SAR Spain Trip Coordinator

The itinerary planned for the Spain program is shown below. Please note changes are possible until the official visits are confirmed.

ITINERARY
Monday, May 10—Depart U.S.A. for Spain.

Tuesday, May 11—Arrive Madrid. Transfer from airport to hotel. Check in at the InterContinental Hotel. Afternoon at leisure followed by Welcome Reception in evening.

Wednesday, May 12—City tour of Madrid including Royal Palace, the Armory and Old Quarter. Lunch at local restaurant. Afternoon tour of Army & Navy Museum. View trophies, flags, uniforms, weapons and scale-models describing the history of Spain’s armed forces. Reception hosted by Navy League followed by dinner on your own.

Thursday, May 13—Morning visit to the U.S. Embassy followed by excursion to El Escorial. Explore the most magnificent Monastery of Spain from where King Philip II ruled the world. Lunch is included. Tour concludes with wreath ceremony at El Escorial. Audience with Royal Family. Evening at leisure.

Friday, May 14—Full day tour to Toledo, one of the most delightful cities of Spain. The wealth of its impressive artistic and cultural legacy makes it one of the most unique cities in Europe. Visit the Cathedral, Jewish Quarter and Santo Tome Church. Lunch included. Evening at leisure.

Saturday, May 15—Day at leisure. Special Dinner at a private club.

Sunday, May 16—Transfer from hotel to train station. Depart Madrid for Antequera by high-speed train. Transfer to Granada. Enjoy lunch before tour to the Alhambra. This unique building is a fortress, residence and royal city all in one. Transfer to Malaga. Check in at the Malaga Palacio Hotel. Evening at leisure.

Monday, May 17—Full day excursion to Macharaviaya. Visit this old farming village where in 1786 the villagers dedicated a monument to the Galvez family to express their gratitude. Ceremony with plaque to honor General Bernardo Galvez followed by official lunch. Evening at leisure.

Tuesday, May 18—Morning reception with Malaga Town Council followed by tour of Malaga. Visit Gibralfaro Castle and Old Quarter. Lunch at local restaurant. Public ceremony at the Cathedral and presentation of a Plaque of Honor. Dinner hosted by the Convention Bureau of Costa del Sol.

Wednesday, May 19—Full day excursion to Ronda.
En route stop at shipyard to view the brig Galveztown under construction to be completed in May 2011.
Explore the historic quarter reminiscent of the Arab age and more “modern” Ronda built after the 16th century. Lunch at local restaurant. Farewell Dinner.

Thursday, May 20—Transfer to Malaga airport for your return flight to the U.S. via Madrid or continue by coach to Costa Del Sol on Post Program Tour.

LAND COST Per Person: $3,850.00
(Sharing a double occupancy room)

INTERNATIONAL AIR FARE per person from Washington, DC to Madrid and return Malaga/Madrid/Washington, DC for 2010 is estimated at: $1,000.00

Note: The cost is subject to change if the number of attendees falls below 40. The price is based on the exchange rate valid in February 2009 and is subject to change.

INCLUSIONS:
Hotel accommodations in Madrid for five nights and in Malaga for four nights including breakfast, service and taxes.
Airport transfers and transfer to train station.
High-speed train from Madrid to Antequera.
Sightseeing as indicated in itinerary including English-speaking guides.
Official visits and receptions as listed in itinerary.
Welcome reception.
Meals as shown in itinerary.

SPLENDOR OF SPAIN

When you think of Spain you'll most likely picture bullfights, beaches and flamenco dancing, but although these do capture the very essence of Spain, this vibrant country has a whole lot more to offer.

Madrid, the capital of Spain since 1562, is a city of great monuments. Among its highlights are the medieval center, dating back to the Habsburg Empire, and the Prado Museum. But Madrid is not just a cultural destination. It is also a lively metropolis with many pubs, cafes, discotheques and nightclubs open late into the night.

Malaga, inhabited for more than 2,000 years by different Mediterranean civilizations, combines today its traditions with modernity. Stretching below the watchful eye of the Castle of Gibralfaro is a lively and bustling city with neighborhoods of rich Andalusian flavor.

OPTIONAL POST TOUR TO MARBELLA
(3 nights)

Thursday, May 20—Transfer by coach to Marbella. Check in at the Hotel El Fuerte Marbella. Rest of day at leisure.

Friday, May 21—Full day excursion to Gibraltar. Visit the city center, Punta de Europa and the Trinity Lighthouse. Lunch at local restaurant. Evening at leisure.

Saturday, May 22—Day at leisure. Optional tour to Tangier, Morocco. Farewell Dinner.

Monday, May 23—Transfer to Malaga airport for your return flight back to the U.S via Madrid.

COST Per Person: $992.00
(Sharing a double occupancy room)

Note: The cost is subject to change if the number of attendees falls below 20. The price is based on the exchange rate valid in February 2009 and is subject to change.

INCLUSIONS:
Hotel accommodations in Marbella for three nights including breakfast, service and taxes.
Airport transfers.
Sightseeing as indicated in the itinerary including English-speaking guides.
Lunch in Gibraltar.
Farewell dinner.

COSTA DEL SOL

The most all year round tourist destination in Europe, Costa del Sol has numerous magnificent well-kept beaches. The average water temperature is 65º F ( and 75º F in August).

There is also much to see away from the beach. Miles of unspoiled and protected countryside peppered with white villages. The mountains back the coast: Montes de Malaga, Serania de Ronda, Sierra Blanca, Sierra Bermeja, Concha Mountain. They are covered with a diverse range of flora. Here you can enjoy nature and the hospitality of the White villages.

RESERVATION REQUIREMENT:
SAR Honoring Spain: Mail the enclosed reservation form with your deposit to MAGIC Meetings at the address below. A deposit of $200 per person is required to reserve space on the Program visiting Madrid and Malaga.

Post Tour to Marbella: An additional deposit of $100 per person is required to reserve space on Post Tour. Include your deposit in the check for the Main Program.

FULL PAYMENT DUE NO LATER THAN
FEBRUARY 10, 2010

CANCELLATION POLICY
Deposit is refundable in full up to July 15, 2009 for SAR Honoring Spain program and the Post Tour to Costa del Sol. Any cancellations received between July 16, 2009 and February 10, 2010 are charged $100 per person cancellation fee. Cancellations received between February 11 and March 10, 2010 will be charged $450 per person cancellation fee. Between March 11 and April 10, 2010 the fee is 75% the full cost of trip. No refunds are made after April 11, 2010.

CANCELLATION INSURANCE
If you wish to receive information on cancellation insurance, please check here ___.

We recommend you send in your reservations early to ensure your attendance on the tour.

Contact:

David Eld
Magic Meetings and Incentives
3901 North Stevens Street
Alexandria, Virginia 22133
Tel.: 703.379.8071
Fax: 703.671.1937
Email: deld@magicglobal.com

Arturo

I noticed the listing on the side for books at Amazon....I have several...under Rosanne Gonzales-Hardy. Was that something that just popped up?

Thanks
Rose

Linda en esas fechas tengo ancestros perdidos
me puedes facilitar una copia
SALVADOR CABRAL VALDES

Linda,
I don't have any research to do in Jerez, but I wanted to say that your offer is very generous.? That was a lot of work and I am grateful that there are many who will benefit from it.?
Eloise Reyes

-----Original Message-----
From: longsjourney@yahoo.com
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sat, 16 May 2009 4:16 pm
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jerez Zacatecas research

I've completed transcribing 0439852 Jerez baptism records for the years 1867-1869. If you would like an attachment please let me know. I'm happy to share.?
Linda in Everett?

Hi Linda:

Could you please include me in your mailing list for the baptism records of
Jerez?
Thank you

John Gonzalez
1gnzlz@verizon.net

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From:
To:
Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 16:16
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jerez Zacatecas research

>
> I've completed transcribing 0439852 Jerez baptism records for the years
> 1867-1869. If you would like an attachment please let me know. I'm happy
> to share.
> Linda in Everett

Hi Linda ,

My name is Welester G. Alvarado if there are any Alvarados´ or Lunas´ in those records and if you don´t mind I would like an attachement as well .

Thank you ,

Welester

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: longsjourney@yahoo.com
> Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 16:16:42 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jerez Zacatecas research
>
>
> I've completed transcribing 0439852 Jerez baptism records for the years 1867-1869. If you would like an attachment please let me know. I'm happy to share.
> Linda in Everett

Linda..can you send a copy to me? RaulV1@Prodigy.net

--- On Sat, 5/16/09, longsjourney@yahoo.com wrote:

From: longsjourney@yahoo.com
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jerez Zacatecas research
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 4:16 PM

I've completed transcribing 0439852 Jerez baptism records for the years
1867-1869. If you would like an attachment please let me know. I'm happy
to share.
Linda in Everett

Hola yo tengo algunas personas que se apellidan de la torre en Tepatitlan Jose Gutierrez de la Torre. hijo de calixto Gutierrez y Feliciana de la Torre.

casado con Virginia Gutierrez Gonzalez en 26 nov 1897 en Tepatitlan . por si te sirve y algunos otros de Apellido De la Torre.
----- Original Message -----
From: "ENRIQUE DE LA TORRE"
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 5:19:46 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] acentros

apellidos de la torre, en jalisco, tepa, guadalajara. y poncitlan

Joseph, did you also get an urgent message saying it was from Patricia?

-----Mensaje original-----
De: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Joseph
Puentes
Enviado el: martes, 01 de septiembre de 2009 05:27 AM
Para: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] Contacting Patricia Burton

I am trying to contact Patricia Burton. Does anyone know of a way to
contact Patrica Burton other than her group subscription address:
canprin@yahoo.com

if so please email me directly at joseph@nuestrosranchos.org with this
information. It is very important that I contact Patricia Burton right away.

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
NoMeat@h2opodcast.com
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

Joseph, I have several ways of contacting her. I am her friend and companion at the FHC in Bonita, so let me try calling her since I am closer. I will then get back to you. Since it is 5:30 a.m. here in Chula Vista, I think it is wise I wait for a couple of hours before I call her.

-Esther

I am trying to contact Patricia Burton. Does anyone know of a way to
contact Patrica Burton other than her group subscription address:
canprin@yahoo.com

if so please email me directly at joseph@nuestrosranchos.org with this
information. It is very important that I contact Patricia Burton right away.

joseph

======================

Joseph Puentes
NoMeat@h2opodcast.com
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

Please excuse the Spanish, I am using an online translator.

What year was Clemente born? Did he have a daughter or sister named Juliana De La Torre? Juliana had a son in Tepatitlan 1852 and named him Clemente.

Por favor, disculpe los españoles, estoy utilizando un traductor en línea. ¿Qué año nació Clemente? ¿Él tiene una hija o hermana denominado Juliana De La Torre? Juliana tuvo un hijo en 1852 Tepatitlan y lo nombró Clemente.

Maureen Bejar

HOLA YO TAMBIEN SOY DECENDIENTE DE CLEMENTE Y CATALINA TENGO ALGO DE INFORMACION, TIENES EL INFORMACION  DE TU ABUELO COMO PADRES O ALGUNA FECHA, LUGAR DE NACIMIENTO?
SI EN ALGO TE PUEDO AYUDAR CON GUSTO,
UN SALUDO, PRIMO.
LUIS M GONZALEZ.

________________________________
From: "gallerodlt@yahoo.com"
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 7:33:45 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] acentros

mis abuelos eran decendientes de Clemente de la torre y Catalina Franco de la cueva
de tepatitlan jalisco, hermano de mi abuelo,ese llamaba cleofas de la torre navarro

I would like to know if anyone had seen the program also. I participated in the project.

Rose
Fresno

Eric,
Thank you so much for your kind offer to help. Yes, you're absolutely right about the miss-spellings. It's a minor miracle I found my mother Enedina Onate, as she was entered as Pardina! I have Onate crossings at Laredo, TX from 1917 to 1944 en route to San Antonio, and they rendered some good information. I was hoping to search two other border crossing towns Del Rio, TX and Eagle Pass, TX within the time frame of 1910-1940. Unfortunately, all I can give you are the first names of my Onates: Rosalio, Petra, Adolfo, Leonarda, Luis, and Maria Angela. I will totally understand if the information I'm giving you is to too vague. Thanks again for your generous offer and have a good evening.
Alice Blake

--- noblanktree@gmail.com wrote:

From: eric edgar
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Border Crossings
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 21:38:37 -0700

Alice,

Outside of a trip to a NARA archives and browsing miles of Microfilm,
Ancestry is the only way. I have a subscription and much success searching
these. I've collected almost a hundred with my families on them. There is a
wide variety of forms, some with minimal information, some with extensive.
The quality is fair to poor. Misspellings seem to be the rule rather than
the exception.

If you give me the facts I'll look it up for you. Please include full
names, birth dates, approximate dates of crossing, destination, place of
origin, and other family members if you have them.

Eric Robledo Edgar
On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 9:27 PM, AliceBB wrote:

> Dear Group,
> Is Ancestry.com the only way to access US/MX Border Crossing information?
> I've never subscribed to or had a trial subscription to Ancestry.com, but a
> couple of years ago my local FHC had access. They have now dropped the
> subscription. Thanks so much for your help. Alice Blake
>

Dear Group,
Is Ancestry.com the only way to access US/MX Border Crossing information? I've never subscribed to or had a trial subscription to Ancestry.com, but a couple of years ago my local FHC had access. They have now dropped the subscription. Thanks so much for your help. Alice Blake

Enrique:

Puedes buscar archivos a traves de los numeros de batch en la base de datos genealogica de la Iglesia Mormona en http://www.familysearch.org.

Si quieres ver la partida original a traves de su microfilmacion, puedes pedir el rollo a traves de un centro de historia familiar de la Iglesia Mormona. Las direcciones de esos centros las puedes encontrar en el mismo sitio. Las mas cercana a ti en Culiacan serian:

Culiacán México
Blvd. Lucernilla #1064
Fracc. Nuevo Culiacan
Culiacan, Sinaloa, Mexico
Phone: 52-667-761-0253

Culiacán México Humaya
Rio Mocorito #225 Ote.
Colonia Guadalupe, Fracc. Canacoe
Culiacan, Sinaloa, Mexico

Culiacán México Tamazula
El Dorado #1646
Col. Las Quintas
Culiacan, Sinaloa, Mexico
Phone: 52-667-715-3032

Enrique:

Esta pareja parece haber bautizado por lo menos uno de sus hijos en Yahualica, que no queda muy lejos de Cuquio:

Jose Cayetano Gonzalez b. 9 Agosto 1827, Batch J602352, Rollo 1152476

En esa partida debe dar los nombres de los abuelos del nino, quienes serian los padres de la pareja en cuestion.

Parece haber otras partidas en la misma parroquia de ninos cuyo padre se llamaba Pasqual Perez y cuya madre era Petra Gonzalez. Estos son probablemente los mismos padres, pero viendo la partida y los nombres de los abuelos sabras inmediatamente.

JOSE FAUSTINO PERES GONZALES b. 28 Enero 1831

JOSE JULIAN PERES GONZALES b. 17 Febrero 1839

I found a Jose Manuel Romo de Vivar in Aguas. at:

http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#start

Jose Carlos de Leon

----- Original Message ----
From: "sceleste_m@hotmail.com"
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 7:11:37 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Ayuda....Help.......Ojuelos de Jalisco

Hola a Todos,

Estoy intentando encontrar antepasados de Ojuelos de Jalisco. No encuentro nada de la gente aquí abajo acepto unos casamientos. Aurelio es mi linaje directo. Si hay alguien que me puede ayudar lo agradecería mucho.

Gracias.
Sofía

Hello Everyone,

I am trying to find these ancestors from Ojuelos de Jalisco. I can’t find more info then a couple of marriages of the people here below. Aurelio is my direct line. If someone can please help me I would really appreciate it.

Thank you.
Sofia

José Guadalupe Martínez Dávila : Dec. 18, 1864
        married April 20, 1885 to: Gregoria Rodríguez

Maria Andrea Martínez Dávila: Nov. 19, 1868

*Aurelio Martínez Dávila* : Nov. 11, 1870
        he was a widower, but I don’t know the woman’s name
        era vuido pero no connosco el nombre de la mujer
        he had two sons, one was Genaro and the other is unknown
        tenia dos hijos, Genaro y el otro no connosco su nombre

Concepción Martínez Dávila: Jan. 25, 1874

Petra Martínez Dávila: ¿?
        married  Jan. 9, 1894 to Daniel Contreras

Hijos de/ All children to Eugenio Martínez Aguilar and María de la Luz Dávila Macias

> José Guadalupe Martínez Dávila : Dec. 18, 1864
> married April 20, 1885 to: Gregoria Rodrígue
> Maria Andrea Martínez Dávila: Nov. 19, 1868

y su hermana Maria del Refugio 11 jul 1886 también hija de Eugenio y Maria de la Luz
>
Eugenio Martínez Aguilar quien bautiza el 27 mar 1842, San jose Ojuelos jalisco se casa con and María de la Luz Dávila el 17 nov 1870,

Eugenio hijo de Pedro Martinez y Maria Paula Aguilar tienen además de Eugenio a:

Jose Cosme Martinez Aguilar 03 oct 1840

Dario martinez 02 nov 1846

Pánfila 09 jun 1844

Maria Andrea Martinez 08 dec 1832 quien se casa con Viviano gomes el 24 feb 1848 hijo de Pedro Gomez e Ysidra Reyes todos de Ojuelos, Jalisco

hay en Ojuelos un Pedro Jose Martinez Gonzalez quien pudiera ser el papá de Eugenio nace el 31 may 1812 hijo de José Maria Martinez y Candelaria Gonzalez

También hay 3 matrimonios Dávila Macias de:

José Eligio Dávila y Juana Maria Macias tienen a:

Josefa 01 dec 1839

Maria Onofre 21 jun 1841

Jose Cruz 24 sep 1843

Dorotea de la Luz 19 feb 1846

Maria ramona 8 mar 1835

Maria josefa 26 may 1836

Guillermo Dávila y Catalina Macias tienen a Juliana el 17 jan 1831

Bernardo Dávila y justa Macias tienen a Maria Patricia 18 mar 1844 todos de ojuelos sinembargo no encontre el registro de Ma luz Dávila Macias a menos que sea también dorotea

Leticia Reynoso

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Hi Emile ,

Did I ever answer you ?

Welester

> Welester,
>
> I received my answer today from http://www.sedena.gob.mx regarding my grandfather and his relatives who fought in the Revolucion:
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> They said: "Se le informa que no se localizaron documentos que contengan la informacion que solicita".
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> Attached was a .jpg photo of a letter from the Secretaria del la Defensa Nacional signed by El Subdirector General de Archivo e Historia, General Brigadier D. E. M. Homero Mendoza Ruiz.
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> The letter says: "Por acuerdo del C. General Secretario de La Defensa Nacional y en relacion con su correo electronic de fecha 19 del actual, me es grato saludarle y a la vez informarle a usted que despues de haber realizado una busqueda en los Archivos de esta Direccion, no se localizo informacion relacionada con Francisco Olague Tinajero, Ignacio Olague Tinajero y Jose Garcia Davila, por los que en caso de contar con mayores datos o documentos sobre las personas que solicita, agradecer se proporcionen a esta Dependencia, con la finalidad de realizar una nueva busqueda y estar en posibilidades de atender su requerimiento.
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> "Aprovecho la occasion para reiterarle a usted, las seguridades de mi atenta y distinquida consideracion".
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> He lost me after listing the names of my relatives. Can you translate the last part starting with "por los en caso--". please? I think they are asking for more info, but I gave them all I had, which was their names, their birthdates, where they came from, and the year the left Mexico for the US.
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> Thanks,
>
> Emilie
> Port Orchard, WA

Alice,

While not extremely common to have the priest as the padrino, it is common enough and still happens to this day. My cousins who live in Mexico have had the priest as the Padrino of their children as they are very close to the priest.

Alicia,
San Jose, Calif

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From: AliceBB
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 9:23:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Significance of Presb

--- bill_figueroa@usa.net wrote:
Good Evening All, I've never seen a priest named as padrino before, but could it be because I'm new to this? Have others come across this? A priest wouldn't be expected to personally raise a female child if something were to happen to the parents. Culturally, the padrino's obligation isn't limited to spriruality alone, is it? It's not just idle curiousity, as the entry I refer to is that of my maternal grandmother, Agustina Santelices, who along with her younger sister, Maria Dolores, were later orphaned. I'd appreciate opinions/experience on this subject from all. Thank you for your help. Alice B Blake

Alice, I've noticed it once but don't recall when or where.
I remember seeing it because it was unusual. --Raquel

On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 12:23 AM, AliceBB wrote:

>
>
> --- bill_figueroa@usa.net wrote:
> Good Evening All, I've never seen a priest named as padrino before, but
> could it be because I'm new to this? Have others come across this? A
> priest wouldn't be expected to personally raise a female child if something
> were to happen to the parents. Culturally, the padrino's obligation isn't
> limited to spriruality alone, is it? It's not just idle curiousity, as the
> entry I refer to is that of my maternal grandmother, Agustina Santelices,
> who along with her younger sister, Maria Dolores, were later orphaned. I'd
> appreciate opinions/experience on this subject from all. Thank you for your
> help. Alice B Blake
>
>
>

Si, y es que en las actas de bautizo de Jerez se menciona que bachiller, tambien el hermano de mi ancestro Pantaleon de la Torre, Abundio o Isidro eran, bueno el caso es que a una hija natural de Pantaleon que es mi ancestra Maria Guadalupe Rufina del Refugio Rodriguez, fue adoptada por el Bachiller Felix Rodriguez, y buscando encontre mas Personas Adoptadas por el Bachiller, elos bautizaban pero no eran sacerdotes
SALVADOR CABRAL VALDES

En jerez Zacatecas se utiliza mucho el termino de
Bachiller, que puesto tenian o que eran dentro de la iglesia

SALVADOR CABRAL VALDES

Alice,

I have seen not only priests, but others higher up in their hierarchy named as godfathers. Usually it is a family member or good friend of the family, and of course they were upper class (all those Dons and Donas). I think the godfather would be expected to be the spiritual guide for the child, and in his position he would be able to arrange for shelter, schooling, etc. and not really be expected to raise the child himself.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
----- Original Message -----
From: AliceBB
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 9:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Significance of Presb

--- bill_figueroa@usa.net wrote:
Good Evening All, I've never seen a priest named as padrino before, but could it be because I'm new to this? Have others come across this? A priest wouldn't be expected to personally raise a female child if something were to happen to the parents. Culturally, the padrino's obligation isn't limited to spriruality alone, is it? It's not just idle curiousity, as the entry I refer to is that of my maternal grandmother, Agustina Santelices, who along with her younger sister, Maria Dolores, were later orphaned. I'd appreciate opinions/experience on this subject from all. Thank you for your help. Alice B Blake

Hi George, I am wondering which info matri. films have you seen? Im looking for Jose Ruiz de Esparza and a Eugenio de Lozano. But no luck so far. -Daniel

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Keep me in the loop also. I have the family group sheets of Jaimes that I copied many moons ago from the film I ordered.....It was very time consuming but it has been well worth it.

Rose
Fresno, CA