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Me llamo Marisela Quezada y vivo en Fresno, California.? My espanol es un poco limitado asi es que me discuplan por favor.? Estoy empezando my genealogia y quisiera saber si alguno de ustedes me pudieran ayudar.? Creo que un miembro nombrado "Jose Ibarra" iva a preguntarle a su familia si conocia los nombres de mis abuelos y bisabuelos pero perdi su direccion.? Mis ancestros son los siguientes (creo que todos vivian cercas de San Gaspar de los Reyes y Jalostotitlan, Jalisco):

Abuelos:? Mateo Quezada casado con Francisca Ibarra.

Bisabuelos:? Emigdio Quezada casado con Micaela Ibarra.
?????????????????Guadalupe Vital Ibarra casado con Geronima Guerrero.

Solamente me doy cuenta de una hermana que tenia Francisca Ibarra con nombre de Alejandra Ibarra y vivia cercas de Guadalajara.? Creo que Alejandra Ibarra fallecio no hace mucho.

Segun dicen, my abuelo Mateo Quezada tenia hermanos y hermanas pero huvo un desacuerdo y todos se desapartaron.? Hoy hay unos Quezadas que viven en Rancho Viejo que es un ranchito cercas de Teocaltiche, Jalisco.?

Alguien pudiera eluminarme en como empezar mi investigacion?? Ya fui al Family History Center en Fresno y he buscado al internet.? Encontre a Guadalupe Ibarra casado con Geronima Guerrero en Jalos en 7/4/1883.? Y el bautizo de Micaela Ibarra en Jalos en 7/5/1882.?

Tengo tantas preguntas si alguien me pudiera dar algo de informacion les agradeceria mucho.?

Gracias,
Marisela

Juan Jose, dispensa que no lei tu mensaje antes de mandar el mio.? Muchas gracias por preguntarle a tu familia.? Si me pudieras conseguir los numeros de telefono de esos senores seria muy agradecida.?

Gracias,
Marisela Quezada

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1. Archivo hist?rico de Jalostotitl?n, Jalisco (jjramirezi)
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Estimado Jorge:

De acuerdo a lo comentado, el fin de semana pasado estuve en Jalostotitl?n y
platicando con algunas personas me confirmaron que no existe un archivo
historico como tal, unicamente el archivo parroquial.

Tambien me recomendaron contactar a dos historiadores de Jalos: Jose Antonio
Gutierrez y Jose Trinidad Padilla Lozano. El primero vive en Aguas y el otro en
Guadalajara, ya que ellos han tenido acceso a archivos de particulares para la
realizacion de sus libros y nos pudieran orientar.

Espero que en un par de semanas a mas tardar me consigan los numeros telefonicos
de Don To?o y Don Trino ya sea que quieras hablar directamente con ellos o que
yo te consiga la informaci?n, como t? gustes.

Saludos a todos

Juan Jos? Ram?rez Ibarra
San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco

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As Tomas mentioned--Often people are very poor and can not offer a
donation. This is when they annotated "de limosna."

The Church does NOT charge for "services" or better said charge for
receiving Sacraments. Since the Catholic Church does not make people
tithe any percentage of their wages, nor request W-2 forms of their
congregation, it ran and does run on donations given by people of
whatever they feel they can afford. These donations were/are mainly
collected (collection basket) during Church services.
When receiving sacraments, you give/gave the priest a donation for the
Church which in my experience has NEVER been solicited in Mexico, nor
here in the U.S.A.

When I was Confirmed in Mexico at the ripe age of 16, I showed up to the
Basilica in San Juan de los Lagos (Jalisco) with my mother and
Godmother. The Bishop made his rounds as we accepted the Sacrament of
Confirmation, and he NEVER asked for any donation, nor did I see money
exchange hands. There is NO way he could have annotated who gave and
who didn't either. Maybe in the old days before Independence, these
sacraments were more individualized.... So donations would have been
more apparent?
I have only seen this--de limosna and race annotated before Mexico's
Independence from Spain, and not after. Of course, I've only researched
Los Altos, so I can't speak for other areas.

Ricardo, que gusto, nuevamente eres la luz en el oscurantismo de mi enigma familiar, muchas gracias. De verdad los Valdivia son morenos? conservo una foto de la boda de mis abuelos y mi abuela al igual que sus hermanas eran muy blancas y con ojos azules o verdes, creo que ya te había mandado esa foto te la vuelvo a mandar. La novia es mi abuela Agustina Valdivia Sánchez, a su lado sentada en el piso su hermana Conrrada, a su lado en la fila de atrás, enseguida del niño son Guadalupe y Rita, otras hermanas de mi abuela, como puedes ver son blancas y 2 son rubias, las tres hijas de mi abuela (mi madre y sus dos hermanas) son también blancas y mis dos tías son pelirojas (naturales). Creo que eso lo podremos arreglar con pruebas de ADN, existe gente que identifica el porcentaje de sangre de cada grupo étnico y continente en el ADN de un individuo, si muchos descendientes de los Valdivia nos haríamos esa prueba podríamos identificar las características comunes de la familia y determinar a que grupo pertenecen. Por cierto, tu sabes como donde y como hacerse éstos exámenes? Te pido de favor que en cuanto tu tiempo te lo permita imprimas la foto y se la muestres a los primos de mi abuela para ver si se acuerdan de ella y sus hermanas. No sé nada de las hermanas de mi abuela. Hasta pronto. Rodolfo Sinaí Gómez.> From: rickrod.com@gmail.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 12:22:39 -0600> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sanchez y Valdivia de San Miguel el Alto> > Hola primo,> Gusto en volver a saber de ti. Ahí te va:> > Cirila Sánchez Sánchez, hija de Gregorio Sanchez y Lucia Sanchez (casados el> 1 de Febrero de 1884 en San Miguel el Alto [rollo #279454]), hasta ahí tengo> por el momento hasta que vaya a San Miguel o a algún centro familiar de LDS> a buscar el acta de matrimonio.> > La gran mayoría de los Valdivia que yo conozco de San Miguel el Alto y de> aquí de Valle de Guadalupe son morenos, lo cual me hace creer que procedemos> por este lado en su mayoría de personas nativas de la región. Aunque te diré> que los de esta rama llevamos el apellido Valdivia proveniente del> matrimonio entre Sebastián Valdivia e Isabel Martin, aproximadamente por el> año de 1700 en Jalostotitlán. No sé si esta pareja haya sido la primera con> este apellido, quizás alguien del grupo tiene más información acerca de este> matrimonio. Si mis suposiciones son correctas, te vas a dar cuenta que la> línea paterna de esta rama Valdivia de San Miguel el Alto no será la misma> que la de otras ramas Valdivia de la región o de México. > > Cuando encuentres mas información acerca de tu rama Valdivia me avisas para> poder compararla con la que yo tengo y ver si obtenemos los mismos datos> genealógicos. Es una buena manera de saber si no me he equivocado en mi> investigación.> > Bueno primo, que estés bien y estamos en contacto.> > Saludos,> > Ricardo Rodríguez> Valle de Guadalupe, Jalisco> > > -----Mensaje original-----> De: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> [mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Rodolfo> Sinai Gomez> Enviado el: Miércoles 27 de Febrero de 2008 9:16 AM> Para: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sanchez y Valdivia de San Miguel el Alto y> Guadalupe Jalisco> > > Estimados todos. Hace unos meses Ricardo Rodríguez me hizo el inmenso favor> de proporcionarme el nombre de mis tatarabuelos por parte de la familia> Valdivia y Sánchez, por lo cual estoy muy agradecido. La curiosidad> insaciable del historiador me lleva a pedirles su ayuda para poder conocer> la historia de esas familias y de ser posible el nombre de mis antepasados. > > Alguien tiene información de quienes fueron los primeros Valdivia en San> Miguel el Alto y cual era su procedencia? Alguno de ustedes puede decirme> quienes eran los padres de Cirila Sánchez Sánchez que casó con Juan Valdivia> Moreno? ellos son mis bisabuelos, padres de Agustina Valdivia Sánchez que> nació en San Miguel el Alto en febrero 20 de 1931.> > Muchas gracias.> > Saludos a todos.> > Rodolfo Sinaí Gómez.> _________________________________________________________________> ¡Súper premios en nanometrajes subiendo tu video!> http://cine.prodigymsn.com/nanometraje&gt; -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org&gt; > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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Hola amigos, qu¡en me puede decir si en el municipio de Jalostotitlán, Jalisco existe algún archivo histórico en el que pueda hacer consultas de investigación. Me gustaría obtener algunos testamentos o en su caso juicios de intestamentarios.

Si me pueden decir horarios del archivo mejor.

Por cierto, si decido publicar una investigación, sería importante incluir juicios intestamentarios, testamentos, contratos, fotografías, claro, además de la genealogía de la familia a investigar. Necesito opiniones.Saludos.Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
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Greetings all. I am a new member and looking forward to finding more information on my paternal grandfather. Saludos al Hosto.

_http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/Diaspora.html_
(http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/Diaspora.html) This link gives
a very brief overview of the Jewish Diaspora during the first century.

I am a double Villarreal from my father's side of the family, with surnames
of Trevino, Elizondo and others attached to me. One of my male cousins did
the DNA test...and like others have said....it appears we have the Jewish link.

When I brought this subject up to my aunt, she said that she knew all along.
In fact, a Torah was found in one of the ancestral homes..in between the
adobe walls...in Coahuila (Villarreal and Trevinos had come from Nuevo Leon
around 1830). Is this true, or family folklore...I will never know. But she did
not deny our Jewish ancestry.

My grandmother was the only person in the whole town who declared herself a
Protestant in the census. I wonder if this was her way of somehow rebelling
against the Catholic Church...guess I will never really know.

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My gg-grandfather Ismael Martin del Campo and his siblings were born in
Lagos de Moreno. I found a website that was in Spanish about Lagos, but the
English translation made it read pretty funny. From what I could make out,
it was telling about the Jewish history of Lagos de Moreno. I am very
interested in this as it pertains to my ancestral research and my desire to
know of my ethnic origins.

>From what I have gathered from this translation, when the Jews were being
driven out of Spain during Queen Isabella's reign, they were given
the choice to go to New Spain. So, 50 or 60 families of Sephardic Jews came
to New Spain and established Lagos de Moreno as their colony. Apparently,
the word "Sephardic" is the Hebrew word for "Spain." So Sephardic Jews are
Spanish Jews.

Anyways, at this point in my research, it seems I am getting beyond what my
mother's family knew and am beginning to head into new territory. So, my
efforts are hit and miss. But, it doesn't discourage me, but instead makes
it seem more like an exploration.

Does anyone know of a website or book I could look for that would have more
on this history? In doing my research, the history of the areas interests
me as much as the family search does.

Corrine Ardoin
Santa Maria, California

Corrine,

Many of my family members have done dna testing. The Mexican is a mixed lot. Many of my Villarreal cousins have tested and the testing indicates and traditions suggest a jewish heritage. Then there is my mother's maternal grandfther who's gene's were tested cpurtesy of my mother's maternal cousin revealed that my great grandfather's line was celtic. Then there are my Arriola cousin's tests that reaveal them to be Trevino Velasco and that is my maternal grandfather's line that show's them to be semitic but I not sure if they were jews. Then there is my father's line the Arredondos, care of my brother. His test also revealed a semetic heritage which I believe might be Greek. My brother also did a mitochrondial test to reveal an indian heritage.

So you see, we are not just one of anything.

Esther
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>
> Corrine there is no doubt there is heavy anecdotal evidence to the existence of
> Sephardic Jews throughout Mexico (most notably in Nuevo Leon of course).
>
> But even in the Jalisco Highlands we can see the physical traits common in the
> Middle East among many people.... including some of my relatives (unibrow, lots
> of body hair, long thin noses, pale skin etc.,)... however, this archetype is
> not unknown among the Celtiberian & Basque populations of Pre-Islam Spain so its
> not definitive in any way. I have also heard many personal stories (including
> one involving a maternal great grandmother) of strange traditions such as:
>
> > A different style of veil
> > The preparation of unusual flat breads
> > Speaking a foreign language
> > Practicing unusual mystic traditions
>
> Of course that isn't definitive either because we also know that Jalisco is home
> to a significant number of people of Lebanese, Syrian, Iraqi & Armenian Catholic
> / Orthodox ancestry who began imigrating in the late 19th Century to escape
> violence in the Ottoman empire.
>
> More crudely, my relatives & friends from the joke about Male endowment and
> joking accuse the other of being afflicted by the "Jewish Curse"
>
> But more seriously, I would suggest participating in the National Geographic's
> Genome study to determine if you have uniquely Jewish mitochondrial DNA etc.,
>
>

Dear Ranchos members,

Sorry it's taken so long to write and share my experiences with all of you regarding the 3er Conferencia Bi-Niacional Genealogica de Coahuila.

It was an amazing event, much more than I expected. First of all Maria Cortez and I met up with 3 members of Nuestros Ranchos, Mickey Garcia, Josie Treviño and Wellester Alvarado. That was number one on my list, not only because they are Ranchos members and I felt as if I'd already known them but because they were so kind and gracious, taking us under their wing, introducing us to almost everyone as they knew almost everyone.

Josie, Mickey and Wellester..........muchas gracias!!

Because of Josie and Mickey's connections we were able to visit with the Director of the Archivo General del Estado de Coahuila, Miguel Angel Muñoz, Borrego on Friday afternoon at the Archivo General. What warm and gracious people.

We also had the opportunity to meet Benicio Samuel of the group, Genealogia del Norte de Mexico.

The speakers were all impressive but being from Zacatecas I was especially interested in Dr Jose Enciso Contreras' presentation, and I was not disappointed.
Two of the presenters were from Dallas Tx, the Cuellar brothers gave their presentation dealing primarily with family research how to do it and the dedication and perseverance it takes for anyone who undertakes this daunting, lifelong journey.
Maestra Marta Duron's presentation was focused on the families originating from Los Altos de Jalisco and her studies and theories as to why so many families from Los Altos inter-married with each other. She used Jalostitlan as her primary area of focus radiating from there to other towns and cities of Los Altos.

All in all it was an uplifting, eye-opening and inspiring conference. Maria and I came away with many new ideas which we hope to bring to our Northern California Group. We have invited Josie and Mickey to come to Northern California to do a presentation for our group and we hope they will accept our invitation.

We were even bolder in that we had dinner with Dr Jose Enciso Contreras and his wife and extended an invitation to them as well and he indicated he would be willing to come and to speak to our group. The Cuellar brothers from Dallas Texas also said they would be willing to come. All in all it was a wonderful experience.
In the future I can see one of our group leaders, either Joseph Puentes, Arturo Ramos or Jonathan Walker or someone else from Nuestros Ranchos at this convention as a speaker and representative of this ever-growing group. I hope I didn't put foot in mouth by suggesting this but I think all we can do is move forward, not backwards and this would be a big move forward.

Well I'd better get off my box, just thought I would share the highlights of our trip...everything was a highlight, there were no low lights. :)

Saludos a todos.
Alicia de San Jose, California

I had planned to include the link that gives a brief overview of the conference. I hope this link works. I accessed it on google by typing in conferencia bi-nacional.

Alicia Carrillo,
de San Jose, Calif

http://www.coahuila.gob.mx/hub.php/noticia/index.htm?preid=3004

I came across 2 Zacatecan families last night when searching civil birth records in Panuco de Coronado, Durango, while doing some research on my paternal grandmother's line. I noted them just in case they are of value to anyone in the group. It was an Oct 25, 1898 posting for the birth of Maria Teresa de Jesus Soto. Parents were Solome Soto, 20, and Maria Josefa Sauzedo, 15. Paternal abuelos were Cresencio Soto, deceased, and Maria Eulalia Guay, 38. Maternal abuelos were Julian Sauzedo, 40, and Maria Lecaria Sauzedo, 38. Parents and grandparents all from Zacatecas.

hola juan jose

referente al archivo historico en jalos, desconozco si exista, pero en la sagrada mitra de gdl. existe bastante informacion de jalos, matrimonios, nacimientos, defunciones y censos parroquiales de varios años, ademas en gdl. existe otro archivo, donde estan titulos de propiedad, y probablemente testamentos, ese no se el lugarb exacto, ni el domicilio pero lo puedo indagar.....atte. lupita gonzalez>> 1. Re: Archivo Histórico de Jalostotiltán, Jalisco.> (Juan Jose Ramirez Ibarra SJL Jal)> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> Hola amigos, qu?en me puede decir si en el municipio de Jalostotitl?n, Jalisco existe alg?n archivo hist?rico en el que pueda hacer consultas de investigaci?n. Me gustar?a obtener algunos testamentos o en su caso juicios de intestamentarios.> > Si me pueden decir horarios del archivo mejor.> >
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HI,

Do any of your results match my Romero's J2b1b (old J2e2)? My
Romero's are from Tepatitlan de Morelos, Jalisco. I have traced them
back to Serapio Romero, born about 1820. My grandmother's DNA is
lost. Her only daughter had no children and I don't know of any
other direct female descendants.

Linda Romero
> Researching: Barba, de la Torre, Romero, Pena, Gutierrez
>

Just wanted to let anyone who is researching in Jerez Zacatecas Mexico that I am working on Baptisms 1836 to 1840 #0439851. If anyone needs a look up please let me know. I'd be happy to check for you. I'm finding it to be a very important film for his area of research since the years from 1841 to 1866 are missing. I would also be glad to share whatever film information I have for this area. I can send an atttachment of whatever films I have copied. You can contact me directly at longsjourney@hotmail.com.

Linda in Everett

If someone has this film I'd appreciate a look up:

MARIA DESIDERIA RAMIRES RESA Pedigree
10 NOV 1775 Jerez, Jerez De Garcia Salinas, Zacatecas, Mexico
Father: JOSEF RAMIRES Family
Mother: MARIA DE RESA
K600804 1771 - 1780 0439847

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We appear to agree....the point, I think, is the "era" of acceptance...and
increasing change of the demographics of Mexico throughout the centuries.

Thank you for the article...interesting read.

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Hola Bill...
Te voy contestar in Ingles....proque no puedo comunicarme muy bien en
Espanol sobre tu opinion que no creas que los negros y mulatos ocupaban una casta
superior a los indigenas.

I think it depended on time frame (era) and where the Africans or mulattos
lived (urban vs country). Keep in mind that owning an African slave to be a
house servant was considered very prestigious because they were very
expensive. Further, they were trusted more than the Native Americans, as the original
settlers always feared being over-thrown by the Native Americans. Finally,
they resisted the diseases brought in by the Spanish. The treatment of slaves
in the sugar fields and the mines was atrocious....many died as a result of
mistreatment.....and were definitely the bottom of the caste system.

So in other words, the African slave in an urban setting may have been more
valued, but like you, I don't think they were considered desirable....as
relates to the caste system.

In a message dated 3/14/2008 3:54:30 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
bill_figueroa@usa.net writes:

No sé cual sea tu fuente de información para decir que negros y mulatos
ocupaban una casta superior a los indígenas. No lo creo. Como recordarás,
los negros y mulatos fueron esclavos de los españoles por varios siglos,
mientras que los indígenas eran trabajadores asalariados. A los indígenas
no se les podía esclavizar por orden del rey de España, desde el momento en
que llegó Cristóbal Colón a estas tierras. Mientras que los esclavos se
compraban y vendían sin restricciones, a los indígenas se les respetaba más.
Yo creo que hubo de todo. Muchos españoles y criollos trataron bien a sus
esclavos, pero también hubo quienes los trataron con crueldad. De eso te
podrás dar cuenta leyendo los testamentos de la gente rica, donde muchos
daban libertad a sus esclavos al morir. A muchos les daban derecho a usar
su nombre y apellido. Mientras la mayoría de indígenas laboraban en los
campos labrando la tierra y cuidando el ganado, los negros y mulatos
trabajaban en las casas o haciendas en oficios domésticos. Eso con muchas
excepciones, pero esa es la impresión que tengo después de leer miles de
documentos en los archivos históricos.

Lo que sucede hoy en día entre migrantes mexicanos y afro-americanos en los
EE.UU. es que hay mucha competencia por trabajos que requieren menor
preparación o estudio ("low skill or entry jobs"). Eso muchas veces puede
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I will try again. Please someone tell me I got through. If I did I can then send my info. Thank you. Esther

HOLA MI BISABUELA ERA DE EL AGUILA JALOSTOTITLAN SE LLAMABA TEODORA MARTIN PADILLA NACIDA EN 1875 HIJA DE FELICIANO MARTIN Y JOSEFA PADILLA, ABUELOS PATERNOS FRANSISCO MARTIN Y ROSALIA GOMEZ, ABUELOS MATERNOS FELIPE PADILLA Y JUANA N GUTIERREZ POR SI TIENEN ALGO SE LOS AGRADECERE MUCHO

UN SALUDO A TODOS MI ABUELA MATERNA ERA DE SAN JUAN DE LOS LAGOS SE LLAMABA RAFAELA HERMOSILLO DIAZ COMO EN 1900 HIJA DE JUAN HERMOSILLO GARCIA Y FRANSISCA DIAZ MARTINEZ, ABUELOS PATERNOS ELUSTIAQUIO HERMOSILLO Y MODESTA GARCIA, ABUELOS MATERNOS JUSTO DIAZ Y FELICITAS MARTINEZ, POR SI ALGUIEN TIENE ALGO DE INFORMASION PARA QUE ME PUEDA AYUDAR A SEGUIR CON MI ARBOL GENEALOGICO

HOLA A TODOS PUES YO TENGO ALGO DE INVESTIGACION DE MI FAMILIA POR PARTE DE MI MAMA QUE SON DE JALOS E LLEGADO HASTA EL ABUELO DE MI BISABUELO QUE SE LLAMABA JOSE TELESFORO GUTIERREZ GONZALEZ NACIO APROXIMADAMENTE EN 1831, ERA HIJO DE CRISANTO GUTIERREZ Y MARIANA GONZALEZ POR SI ALGUIEN TIENE INFORMASION DE LOS ANCESTROS DE MI TATARAABUELO ME GUSTARIA QUE NOS PUSIERAMOS EN CONTACTO PARA PODER HACER LLENAR UN POCO MAS MI ARBOL GENEALOGICO

Anyone in the group studying either Ramirez or Resa's in Colotlan or
possibly in Jerez? or Villanueva?

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
http://h2opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

On the "lighter" side:
Thanks to my primos here at NuestrosRanchos who helped me confirm my DE LEON family tree I was able to find a couple of "fun-facts".

1. Even though my parents were double-related as cousins., I was able to connect them (triple-cousins) to Martin de Enriqyes ( b. abt. 1675). My father Elias de Leon (1904-1999) is his direct 8th descendant (12 generations) and my mother Maria Carlos (1909-1992) is his 9th direct descendant (13 generations). Double Whammy! Am I my mother's equal cousin ????

2. My earliest direct ancestor is Manuel de Leon and his wife Josepha de Escovedo (both born abt. 1680 ). They had several children but two of their sons' children married each other. Since both of my GGGGGGPs (who were married to each other) were DE LEON "primo-hermanos" and direct grandchildren of Manuel and Josepha who were my "double" GGGGGGGPs, am I a "double" DE LEON ???? Ha Ha!

I haven't fully checked out this site but if you type in "Mexico" in the
search engine you'll come up with several pages of art and who knows
what other things might be found:

http://www.britishmuseum.org/explore/online_tours/americas.aspx

10. British Museum: The Americas
http://www.britishmuseum.org/explore/online_tours/americas.aspx

Over the past few years, the British Museum has continued to expand their
online offerings. In their "Explore" area, they have created a number of
online tours that explore Asia, Africa, ancient Greece, Egypt, and Japan.
This particular online tour covers the Americas through a number of thematic
collections culled from their vast holdings. Visitors might wish to start by
looking over the tour that includes images of kayak clothing from Greenland,
as it provides some nice images and a number of insights into how kayakers
past and present cope with the bone-chilling cold of the Arctic region.
Moving on, the site also includes a tour titled "Unknown Amazon". Here,
visitors can learn about the people who have inhabited the Amazon River
basin over the past several thousand years. [KMG]

Hello ,
Does anyone know how to contact Luz Montejano Genealogist from Mexico? She and I share some ancestry and I wanted to let her know that the family line she has been looking for is in my tree. Thanks if anyone knows a current email/contact for Luz,
Regards, Yolanda