>
> Mickey and Joseph,
Anytime you are ready, we'd love to see you attend one of our meetings.
Joseph, filing as a non-profit in California is pretty straight-forward. You
file the appropriate form with the Secretary of State's office and pay
Maria
Wish Josie and I could go....maybe next time....say hello to our friends!!
Mickey
In a message dated 4/24/2008 2:38:38 P.M. Central Standard Time,
makas@nc.rr.com writes:
In a message dated 4/23/2008 9:26:10 P.M. Central Standard Time,
mcortez3@gmail.com writes:
John and other Nuestros Ranchos members,
You are all cordially invited to attend the next meeting in Northern
California. The meeting is scheduled as follows:
Date of Event: May 17, 2008
Event time: 10:30 am - 2:30 pm
Location: Raley's Event Center
4900 Elk Grove Blvd.
Elk Grove, CA
Our group is in the process of formalizing its structure. We are filing as
a non-profit organization called "Nueva Galicia Genealogical Society". We
hope to be a complementary group to Nuestros Ranchos and not to duplicate its
purpose or information. I maintain the distribution list, so if you want to
be notified of future events all you need to do is send me a direct e-mail and
I will add you to the list.
We do not want to restrict membership to Nueva Galicia researchers only and
any serious researcher is welcome to attend our meetings. We will be
adopting Bylaws for our group at the upcoming meeting and will be developing a
website.
Some of our past activities include: have gone on field trips as a group,
discuss research techniques, held picnics, reviewed books, etc. We plan on
setting up a booth at the Festival de la Familia which is held yearly in
Sacramento, CA. Our meetings are lively and is made up of some very talented
individuals. One of our long range goals is to have Joseph and/or Arturo attend
one of our meetings.
John, I will add you to my distribution list and I hope to see you and other
primos and primas at our next meeting. An RSVP one week prior is
appreciated since the meeting room is small, but if necessary I could try to find a
larger room to accomodate everyone.
Maria Cortez
Maria Please write to me
Mickey
In a message dated 4/23/2008 9:26:10 P.M. Central Standard Time,
mcortez3@gmail.com writes:
John and other Nuestros Ranchos members,
You are all cordially invited to attend the next meeting in Northern
California. The meeting is scheduled as follows:
Date of Event: May 17, 2008
Event time: 10:30 am - 2:30 pm
Location: Raley's Event Center
4900 Elk Grove Blvd.
Elk Grove, CA
Our group is in the process of formalizing its structure. We are filing as
a non-profit organization called "Nueva Galicia Genealogical Society". We
hope to be a complementary group to Nuestros Ranchos and not to duplicate its
purpose or information. I maintain the distribution list, so if you want to
be notified of future events all you need to do is send me a direct e-mail and
I will add you to the list.
We do not want to restrict membership to Nueva Galicia researchers only and
any serious researcher is welcome to attend our meetings. We will be
adopting Bylaws for our group at the upcoming meeting and will be developing a
website.
Some of our past activities include: have gone on field trips as a group,
discuss research techniques, held picnics, reviewed books, etc. We plan on
setting up a booth at the Festival de la Familia which is held yearly in
Sacramento, CA. Our meetings are lively and is made up of some very talented
individuals. One of our long range goals is to have Joseph and/or Arturo attend
one of our meetings.
John, I will add you to my distribution list and I hope to see you and other
primos and primas at our next meeting. An RSVP one week prior is
appreciated since the meeting room is small, but if necessary I could try to find a
larger room to accomodate everyone.
Maria Cortez
Hi John
Please keep us posted on a So. Calif meeting. Even thou we are from the Sacramento area, we plan on being down in So. Calif for a wedding on June 28th. Saturday day would not work for us, but a Friday evening, Saturday evening, or a Sunday would work. Even June 21st week-end would work for us since we hope to meet Rich's cousin in San Diego and that date is unsure, since we have to wait for his ship USS Cleveland to come in ( approx Jun 24th).
Gilbert,
Don't expect to find a great deal of information in the Mexican cemeteries. Many graves don't have headstones and some headstones don't have names. The cemeteries are not maintained the way they are in the states. Best way I've found to search is still through the films archived by the LDS Church, order the film for defunciones / Death records and scroll through one record at a time. Most of these films are from the Catholic church's archives.
Alicia is right about the cemeteries in Mexico. My wife is from Teocaltiche
and we were there, visiting, last November. The cemetery is easy to find,
it is in the South part of town, probably about 1/4 of a mile from the
Parroquia de Nuestra Señora de Los Dolores, which is right in the middle of
town. Teocaltiche's cemetery is fairly well kept and visited by many people
since it is so close to town.
My wife's sister owns the travel agency, "Agencia de Viajes Ramon" and if
you need any information she will probably be more than happy to help you.
The people in Teocaltiche are very friendly, I am sure you'll enjoy your
trip.
John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Alicia Carrillo"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 12:56
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Pueblosamerica.com
> Gilbert,
> Don't expect to find a great deal of information in the Mexican
> cemeteries...
Alicia & John...
Thank you both for your thoughts on the cemetery in Teocaltiche. My father
is buried at Fort Hancock, Texas (just east of El Paso about 60 miles) and
there are many weathered wood crosses marking unnamed graves. When we return
from Mexico, I will order a couple more LDS films for further Teocaltiche
research.
John, do you have the telephone number for your sister-in-law's "Agencia de
Viajes Ramon"?
Sincerely,
Gilbert
-----Original Message-----
From: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org - Behalf Of John Gonzalez
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 2:34 PM
>Gilbert:
>
>Alicia is right about the cemeteries in Mexico. My wife is from
Teocaltiche
>and we were there, visiting, last November. The cemetery is easy to find,
>it is in the South part of town, probably about 1/4 of a mile from the
>Parroquia de Nuestra Señora de Los Dolores, which is right in the middle of
>town. Teocaltiche's cemetery is fairly well kept and visited by many
people
>since it is so close to town.
============================================================================
=============
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alicia Carrillo"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 12:56
> Gilbert,
> Don't expect to find a great deal of information in the Mexican
> cemeteries...
Gilbert and Ranchos Members,
Check out the TX Gen Web Project, this site has quite alot of info on Texas cemeteries and other information. If you look under El Paso cemeteries you will find Smelertown AKA La Calavera cemetery. My cousin Margaret and I have worked on this database and are in the process of uploading more data. We walked the cemetery and photographed at least half of tombs. Talk about old wooden crosses,it's an old western graveyard covered in soot, sand and Chamiso bushes. It's a beauty and I love it up there in the shadow of ASARCO smokestack and nestled between the Franklin Mountains and the Rio Grande.
We also walked and photographed some of Evergreen Cemetery in Central El Paso. A good contact person is Doris Harrison if you have any questions. She is the Web Master and a wonderful genealogists.
Buena Suerte
Yolanda Medina Perez in El Paso
Gilbert Keas wrote:
Alicia & John...
Thank you both for your thoughts on the cemetery in Teocaltiche. My father
is buried at Fort Hancock, Texas (just east of El Paso about 60 miles) and
there are many weathered wood crosses marking unnamed graves. When we return
from Mexico, I will order a couple more LDS films for further Teocaltiche
research.
John, do you have the telephone number for your sister-in-law's "Agencia de
Viajes Ramon"?
Sincerely,
Gilbert
-----Original Message-----
From: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org - Behalf Of John Gonzalez
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 2:34 PM
>Gilbert:
>
>Alicia is right about the cemeteries in Mexico. My wife is from
Teocaltiche
>and we were there, visiting, last November. The cemetery is easy to find,
>it is in the South part of town, probably about 1/4 of a mile from the
>Parroquia de Nuestra Señora de Los Dolores, which is right in the middle of
>town. Teocaltiche's cemetery is fairly well kept and visited by many
people
>since it is so close to town.
============================================================================
=============
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alicia Carrillo"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 12:56
> Gilbert,
> Don't expect to find a great deal of information in the Mexican
> cemeteries...
I have met and read persons Jewish Ashkenazim(sp?) that went to South America in many locations before, during, and after WW II assimilated into their new countries, those I know kept their faith, but it is highly conceivable if in concentration camps they kept their huge secret. I out different have read about different detention camps, I am no expert but Germany I believe was the only tattoo of your description. it was mostly their families that helped them escape or relocate, The Nazi's were helped by the Catholic Church to relocate to South America. You may want to try Holocaust Survivor web sites to see if you find similar stories.
They could have been Sephardic Spanish Jews.? It is strongly believed and evidence indicates that the founders of Monterrey NL were of Jewish origin.
Others that were put in concentrations camps were Romani (Gypsies) and Turks I believe!? I think they were given numbers as well.
-----Original Message-----
From: mari deGuzman
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 8:45 am
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Salvador Quintero Del Rio
I have met and read persons Jewish Ashkenazim(sp?) that went to South America
in many locations before, during, and after WW II assimilated into their new
countries, those I know kept their faith, but it is highly conceivable if in
concentration camps they kept their huge secret. I out different have read about
different detention camps, I am no expert but Germany I believe was the only
tattoo of your description. it was mostly their families that helped them escape
or relocate, The Nazi's were helped by the Catholic Church to relocate to South
America. You may want to try Holocaust Survivor web sites to see if you find
similar stories.
----- Original Message ----
From: America Calleros
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 6:47:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Salvador Quintero Del Rio
Thank you for the advice. I was told that my grandfather (Salvador Quintero
Del Rio) was born in the year 1900 in Tuxpan Jalisco. I am still trying to
find out the exact date of his birth and the names of his parents. I know
that at some point he married my grandmother in Monterrey, Nuevo Leon and
stayed there for the rest of his life. I am not sure if I believe he was
born in Mexico at all to be honest, mostly because of the tattoos he and his
mother carried on their arms. They never spoke of them and hid them, so my
father does not even know what the numbers are, or how many there were.
>From what I understand it was some sort of branding and I don't know much of
anything yet but that to me seemed as if they were in some sort of camp, I
don't think that camps like that existed in Mexico but I could be wrong.
His and her features were very European, according to my mother. I read
some where that there are many Jews in Mexico, especially in Nuevo Leon and
Jalisco, that I did not know and makes wonder if they may have been
imigrants? I don't know if that kind of record would exist or where to even
look for such a thing. I will post more information when I find it. Any
guidance on where to look/search is greatly appreciated. I am planning a
visit to a Latter Day Saints Family Center, even though nothing came up in
their online search.
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 4:35 PM, arturoramos
wrote:
>
> America:
>
> Welcome to the group. I hope the people in the group can help guide your
> search for information on your father.
>
> These tips are for all other newcomers who are just starting their
> research:
>
> First of all there is almost NOTHING any of us can do without dates (even
> if they are approximate) and place names. You have given us a place name,
> but without knowing your father's approximate dates of birth, marriage, etc.
> we cannot tell you what sources would be appropriate, etc.
>
> Also, you mention your grandmother but don't provide a name nor any dates.
> Please be more precise about the information that you DO have so that we
> can help you go from there. It would be helpful if you could post your
> known genealogy in a standard format in your file folder.
So far this is what I know:
In 1900 Salvador Quintero Del Rio was born in Jalisco (sepculated due to the tattoos on his arm).
In 1934 my Father was born in Monterrey, NL (first born)
I can not even guesstimate the time Salavador might have married my grandmother (Paula Gamez, born in Coahuila, don't know date yet) because of stories I have heard of her having several miscarriages and the fact that Paula was a widow when she married Salvador, but I am planning an interrogation soon to see when they were married and where. He and his mother were very light skinned.
I speculate considering the tattoos on Salvadors and his mothers arm, that he and his mother (and possibly father, who is never spoken of) might have been immigrants. He did not have an accent when speaking spanish, at least no one noticed or mentioned it, which makes me believe one of two things. If he was an immigrant, he arrived at a very early age and/or he came from country whose language is similar enough to Spanish that he and his family caught on quick, such as Spain, Italy etc...
America Calleros
Researching (Quintero Del Rio)
For a quick and easy answer....I would recommend a DNA test.
Such as the study being done by National Geographic...go to their site, then click on to The Genographic Project.
Lots of Luck....
Helyn
San Jose, CA
acalleros wrote:
So far this is what I know:
In 1900 Salvador Quintero Del Rio was born in Jalisco (sepculated due to the tattoos on his arm).
In 1934 my Father was born in Monterrey, NL (first born)
I can not even guesstimate the time Salavador might have married my grandmother (Paula Gamez, born in Coahuila, don't know date yet) because of stories I have heard of her having several miscarriages and the fact that Paula was a widow when she married Salvador, but I am planning an interrogation soon to see when they were married and where. He and his mother were very light skinned.
I speculate considering the tattoos on Salvadors and his mothers arm, that he and his mother (and possibly father, who is never spoken of) might have been immigrants. He did not have an accent when speaking spanish, at least no one noticed or mentioned it, which makes me believe one of two things. If he was an immigrant, he arrived at a very early age and/or he came from country whose language is similar enough to Spanish that he and his family caught on quick, such as Spain, Italy etc...
America Calleros
Researching (Quintero Del Rio)
I agree with Helyn.For me it easier, to find clues if you know what it is you are looking for if the family doesn't know or are not willing to talk. For me it was a shape of a scar that had significant meaning. That lead to a secret knight order and then on to conversos which interacted on both sides of the fence, so to speak. There is a magnificent story there, I am sure. Good hunting. mari
----- Original Message ----
From: Santos Luna
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 10:04:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Salvador Quintero Del Rio
For a quick and easy answer....I would recommend a DNA test.
Such as the study being done by National Geographic...go to their site, then click on to The Genographic Project.
Lots of Luck....
Helyn
San Jose, CA
acalleros wrote:
So far this is what I know:
In 1900 Salvador Quintero Del Rio was born in Jalisco (sepculated due to the tattoos on his arm).
In 1934 my Father was born in Monterrey, NL (first born)
I can not even guesstimate the time Salavador might have married my grandmother (Paula Gamez, born in Coahuila, don't know date yet) because of stories I have heard of her having several miscarriages and the fact that Paula was a widow when she married Salvador, but I am planning an interrogation soon to see when they were married and where. He and his mother were very light skinned.
I speculate considering the tattoos on Salvadors and his mothers arm, that he and his mother (and possibly father, who is never spoken of) might have been immigrants. He did not have an accent when speaking spanish, at least no one noticed or mentioned it, which makes me believe one of two things. If he was an immigrant, he arrived at a very early age and/or he came from country whose language is similar enough to Spanish that he and his family caught on quick, such as Spain, Italy etc...
America Calleros
Researching (Quintero Del Rio)
Daniel,
Thanks for responding to my question.
Does your Antonio Martinez have any siblings?
What is his birthdate?
What are his parents names and did he ever live in the U.S.?
Hopefully your answers will help me in my research.
I just learned the names my paternal great grandparents.
ANTONIO RAMOS married JESUSITA MASCORRO, both born in Mexico. They are the parents of my grandmother PAULA RAMOS MARTINEZ. She married GUADALUPE MARTINEZ about 1899, Mexico. If anyone knows these names, PLEASE contact me. I am desperate for more information. Thank You....Delia Martinez-Fry
deljmar99@webtv.net
Joseph, I was really excited that one of my cousins, Daniel Lopez Jimenez, wants to join nuestrosranchos. I know that his wife is Castellanos/Diaz and hopefully bring more info with him. While he presently lives in Iowa, he did live in Jamay for many years, and I am sure his knowledge of areas around Jamay, La Barca, Ocotlan, Guadalajara and other places will be of benefit to us.
Gilbert,
Nuestra Señora De Los Dolores is the main Catholic Parish in Teocaltiche, I don't know if there is also a Rancho of the same name.
Alicia
San Jose, Calif
----- Original Message ----
Alicia
Thank you very much.
As you can guess, I'm just now (with your e-mail) beginning to get a better
understanding of the terms: rancho, pueblo and Catholic Parishes. (I still
need to work on rancho & pueblo)
Gilbert
Los Osos, San Luis Obispo County, California
-----Original Message-----
From: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org]On Behalf Of Alicia
Carrillo
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 10:39 AM
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Nuestra Senora de los Dolores
Gilbert,
Nuestra Señora De Los Dolores is the main Catholic Parish in Teocaltiche, I
don't know if there is also a Rancho of the same name.
Alicia
San Jose, Calif
Plug in Mexico in the search engine:
15. Charting America: Maps from the Lawrence H. Slaughter Collection and
Others
http://digitalgallery.nypl.org/nypldigital/explore/dgexplore.cfm?topic=…
pueblosamerica.com
I came upon the above mentioned site, and located some Pueblos/Ranchos that I had not been able to locate, not only in our area of research, but throughout the Mexican Republic. I was specifically looking for some locations that were mentioned in records from the early 1800's.
This is a great resource site for researchers.
Helyn/San Jose, CA
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Wow! That is truly a wonderful site. absolutely wonderful! Thanks Helyn!
joseph
====================
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http://h2opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)
Santos Luna wrote:
> pueblosamerica.com
>
> I came upon the above mentioned site, and located some Pueblos/Ranchos that I had not been able to locate, not only in our area of research, but throughout the Mexican Republic. I was specifically looking for some locations that were mentioned in records from the early 1800's.
>
> This is a great resource site for researchers.
>
> Helyn/San Jose, CA
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Helyn.
The link Pueblosamerica.com is just great! I had been looking for
"Minillas de Jerez" for the longest time in the vicinity of Jerez without
success. There is no such place in Jerez. I typed "Minillas de Jerez" in
the "search block" and it came back with "Minillas" in Genaro Codina! I
have been searching in the wrong place all this time.
Thank you Helyn.
John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA.
1gnzlz@verizon.net
John Gonzalez: You are very welcome!!! I am happy that this site was of help to you in your research. I have not forgotten your act of kindness when you translated a difficult document for me.
Saludos, Helyn (from your ole home town)
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Helyn.
The link Pueblosamerica.com is just great! I had been looking for
"Minillas de Jerez" for the longest time in the vicinity of Jerez without
success. There is no such place in Jerez. I typed "Minillas de Jerez" in
the "search block" and it came back with "Minillas" in Genaro Codina! I
have been searching in the wrong place all this time.
Thank you Helyn.
John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA.
1gnzlz@verizon.net
Concerning the link: pueblosamerica.com ...
I was searching for "Nuestra Senora De Los Dolores", Teocaltiche, Jalisco,
Mexico.
Is "Sierrita de los Dolores (La Sierrita)" (near Rio Verde) the same
pueblo/rancho?
Also... Does anyone know of an online source for telephone listings for
Teocaltiche, Jalisco (a city of about 40,000)?
I am trying to plan my trip this early June and would like to locate the
cemeteries in the general area of Teocaltiche.
Thank you...
Gilbert Keas
gkeas@kcbx.net
Researching: Rodriquez, Aguilera, Ynequiz and Vidaurri in the Teocaltiche
area.
Desde hace tiempo trato de comunicarme con ustedes para ver si me pueden ayudar con alguna informacion sobre mis ancestros. Mi nombre es Esther Jordan (Lopez) y vivo en San Diego, California.
Ahnentafel Chart for Rafael Ornelas Lopez
Im 100% I found your ancestor Rafael Lopez.
JOSE RAFAEL LOPEZ AGUILAR
Pedigree
Male
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
19 APR 1833
La Barca, Jalisco, Mexico
Death:
Burial:
Parents:
Father:
ANTONIO LOPEZ
Family
Mother:
LUGARDA AGUILAR
Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
Source Information:
Batch No.:
Dates:
Source Call No.:
Type:
Printout Call No.:
Type:
C606056
1828 - 1836
0281023
Film
NONE
Sheet:
-Daniel MDC
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Hi Esther, can you tell me who and what dates you have for Portezuelo, Zapotlan del Rey and Sayula? I've found these towns in the records for Tamazula and Zapotlan El Grande/Ciudad Gusman. I have some records from these town but not the others.
My Gutierrez family maried into the Ornelas family and they lived in the Tamazula area, my Gutierrez and Mendez family also lived in Portezuelo in the late 1800's. My records for Zapotlan El Rey and Sayula are from mostly the mid to late 1700's.
Daniel (Mendez del Camimo), does this Ornelas family belong to your Ornelas family?
Linda in Everett
Esther wrote:
Fifth Generation
Antonio Lopez married Luqarda Aguilar (aka Aguilera).
Manuel Velasco married Estefania Ortega.
Otros nombres por parte de mi mama: Mendoza-Diaz; Gutierrez Vaca Velasquez; Mendoza-Sanchez; Davila-Diaz - todos creo son de Jalisco (Ocotlan, Guadalajara, Atotonilco El Alto; Zapotlan del Rey; Sayula, Portezuelo,y otros.
I am very excited to be in this genealogy group. I have been reading all your e-mails and I like learning about the history. Thank you! I was born in Jamay, Jalisco and came to the U.S. when I was 6 years old. My history knowledge is not good but it is never too late to learn.
What I know of my great-grandmother: Maria Guadalupe Vaca Velazquez was born 12 DEC 1882 (However, the date may have been changed because she did not want it known that she was older than Great grandpa Lorenzo Gutierrez.) She was born in Portezuelo, Jalisco. She died 11 MAY 1965. My great grandfather's family were from Ocotlan, Jalisco but I am not sure whether he was born in Ocotlan or Portezuelo. A live relative told me that he was born in Portezuelo and I would like to know for sure. They were married in Jamay 26 November 1902. My Great grandpa died March 1939.
His father was Secundino Gutierrez married to Maria Juana Ruiz on 5 SEP 1855 in Zapotlan del Rey, Jalisco. His family were also from there.
Rosendo Vaca married Anastacia Velazquez at Portezuelo, Jalisco. Rosendo was shot and killed before my great grandma was born. Anastacia later remarried with some one named Cerda. I have other details but I am visiting my dauther in Virginia at the present time.
Maria Dolores Davila Diaz was born in Sayula, Jalisco around 1869. Her father was Teofilo Diaz, born 9 JAN 1834, in Sayula. Hw was married 25 SEP 1854. Her mother was Maria Davila. I have her brothers and sisters but again I have the info at home.
I am happy to share whatever information I have.
--Esther Jordan
Hello Esther! Is the Portuzuelo you refer to in Tamazula de Gordiano? My father's family is from their, im a 3rd cousin to Linda by the way. Who is López Ornelas? I am also a Ornelas from the Portuguese Kings. I'll help anyone with their Ornelas line. I will keep in touch with you, who is from Zapotlán? I have some lines from Sayula, Jalisco. -Daniel Méndez del Camino
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Wednesday, Mar 19, 2008
Dear Daniel--
There is a Portesuelo in the municipio de La Barca.
We have some Godinez ancestors there.
Is there another Portesuelo?
Patricia Burton
--- Daniel Mendez wrote:
>
> Hello Esther! Is the Portuzuelo you refer to in
> Tamazula de Gordiano? My father's family is from
> their, im a 3rd cousin to Linda by the way. Who is
> López Ornelas? I am also a Ornelas from the
> Portuguese Kings. I'll help anyone with their
> Ornelas line. I will keep in touch with you, who is
> from Zapotlán? I have some lines from Sayula,
> Jalisco. -Daniel Méndez del Camino
>
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Monday, March 31, 2008
Dear Esther-
It is hard to keep up with all the emails one receives
when on vacation. I read this one with interest
today.
I do not know where Sayula is because my husband does
not apparently have any ancestors from there. I did
see the information sent to you by Jonathan. Seems
like some of the area you are seeking information
from, is in the same places that I have search in
years past.
On one of our outings, we stopped by La Barca. It was
on a Sunday and in the plaza, people were voting for
local leaders. We went by the church, which is off to
the side and not on the plaza square.
On our way to the Guadalajara airport on Friday, we
passed through Jamay and I can report that Lake
Chapala does have adequate water at this time. I have
visited there in the past when the water level was
quite low.
I have also done research in Ocotlan but never in
Zapotlan del Rey.
Looking forward to getting together with you on your
return to California.
Sincerely,
Patricia Diane Godinez
AKA Patricia Burton
San Diego
--- Esther wrote:
> I am very excited to be in this genealogy group. I
> have been reading all your e-mails and I like
> learning about the history. Thank you! I was born
> in Jamay, Jalisco and came to the U.S. when I was 6
> years old. My history knowledge is not good but it
> is never too late to learn.
>
> What I know of my great-grandmother: Maria
> Guadalupe Vaca Velazquez was born 12 DEC 1882
> (However, the date may have been changed because she
> did not want it known that she was older than Great
> grandpa Lorenzo Gutierrez.) She was born in
> Portezuelo, Jalisco. She died 11 MAY 1965. My
> great grandfather's family were from Ocotlan,
> Jalisco but I am not sure whether he was born in
> Ocotlan or Portezuelo. A live relative told me
> that he was born in Portezuelo and I would like to
> know for sure. They were married in Jamay 26
> November 1902. My Great grandpa died March 1939.
>
> His father was Secundino Gutierrez married to Maria
> Juana Ruiz on 5 SEP 1855 in Zapotlan del Rey,
> Jalisco. His family were also from there.
>
> Rosendo Vaca married Anastacia Velazquez at
> Portezuelo, Jalisco. Rosendo was shot and killed
> before my great grandma was born. Anastacia later
> remarried with some one named Cerda. I have other
> details but I am visiting my dauther in Virginia at
> the present time.
>
> Maria Dolores Davila Diaz was born in Sayula,
> Jalisco around 1869. Her father was Teofilo Diaz,
> born 9 JAN 1834, in Sayula. Hw was married 25 SEP
> 1854. Her mother was Maria Davila. I have her
> brothers and sisters but again I have the info at
> home.
>
> I am happy to share whatever information I have.
>
> --Esther Jordan
Daniel,
After you sent me the information of my 5th generation grandfather, I found a brother of his. I visited the Genealogy Library in Bonita and with the help from Patricia B. Godinez and some films that are on permanent status from La Barca and Portezuelo I found the info and also found Antonio Lopez' father and mother. Thank you for guiding me to where I am now! I am really excited about this!
-Esther Jordan (Lopez)
Im 100% I found your ancestor Rafael Lopez.
JOSE RAFAEL LOPEZ AGUILAR
Pedigree
Male
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
19 APR 1833
La Barca, Jalisco, Mexico
Death:
Burial:
Parents:
Father:
ANTONIO LOPEZ
Family
Mother:
LUGARDA AGUILAR
Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record.
The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or
christening date.
Source Information:
Batch No.:
Dates:
Source Call No.:
Type:
Printout Call No.:
Type:
C606056
1828 - 1836
0281023
Film
NONE
Sheet:
-Daniel MDC
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Esther,
I have done some looking, and found some additional information for you (such as teofilo dias's parents and grandparents). I am including an updated Ahnentafel Chart for you, and I can send you a gedcom file with everything that I have been able to find for you.
Jonathan
Ahnentafel Chart for Graciela Esther Lopez Mendoza
Third Generation
4. Felipe Lopez was born on 23 Aug 1898 in Jamay, Jalisco, Mexico. He died on 21 Feb 1989 in Jamay, Jalisco, Mexico. He was buried on 22 Feb 1989 in Jamay, Jalisco, Mexico. He married Carmen Ornelas on 7 Jul 1917.
5. Carmen Ornelas was born on 28 Nov 1900 in Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico. She died on 7 Nov 1996 in Jamay, Jalisco, Mexico.
6. Librado Mendoza was born on 28 May 1899 in Colma, Colima, Mexico. He died on 9 Jan 1980 in Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico. He was buried on 11 Jan 1980 in Jamay, Jalisco, Mexico. He married Librada Gutierrez on 6 Jun 1923 in Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico.
7. Librada Gutierrez was born on 20 Jul 1903 in Ocotlan, Jalisco, Mexico. She was christened on 24 Jul 1903 in Ocotlan, Jalisco, Mexico. She died on 3 Sep 1994 in Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico. She was buried in Jamay, Jalisco, Mexico.
Fourth Generation
8. JOSE DE JESUS LOPES BELASCO was born on 29 Jun 1858 in Rancho La Barca, Jalisco, Mexico. He was christened on 29 Jun 1858 in Jamay, Jalisco, Mexico. He died on 30 Oct 1935 in Jamay, Jalisco, Mexico. He was buried in Jamay, Jalisco, Mexico. He married Ruperta Jimenez or Sisneros.
9. Ruperta Jimenez or Sisneros was born about 1863 in Rancho La Barca, Jalisco, Mexico. She died about 1908 in Jamay, Jalisco, Mexico.
10. Doroteo Ornelas was born in Penjamo, Guanajuato, Mexico. He married Rosa Cortez.
11. Rosa Cortez was born about 1881 in Santa Cruz de Astilleros, Jalisco, Mexico.
12. JOSE LIBRADO DE LA TRINIDAD MENDOSA SANCHES was born in La Barca, Jalisco, Mexico. He was christened on 17 Aug 1856 in Jamay, Jalisco, Mexico. He died in Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico. He was buried on 11 Jun 1927 in Jalisco, Mexico. He married Maria Dolores Diaz.
13. Maria Dolores Diaz was born in 1864 in Sayula, Jalisco, Mexico.
14. Lorenzo Gutierrez was born on 10 Aug 1882 in Ocotlan, Jalisco, Mexico. He died in Mar 1939 in Jamay, Jalisco, Mexico. He married Maria Guadalupe Vaca Velasquez on 26 Nov 1902 in Mexico.
15. Maria Guadalupe Vaca Velasquez was born on 12 Dec 1882 in Portezuelo, Jalisco, Mexico. She died on 11 May 1965 in Jamay, Jalisco, Mexico. She was buried in Jamay, Jalisco, Mexico.
Fifth Generation
16. JOSE RAFAEL LOPEZ AGUILAR was born in Michoacan. He was christened on 19 Apr 1833 in La Barca, Jalisco, Mexico. He married Maria Guadalupe Velasco.
17. Maria Guadalupe Velasco was born in Michoacan.
18. TRINIDAD JIMENEZ .TRINIDAD married Cevera Murillo on 11 Feb 1852 in Ocotlan, Jalisco, Mexico.
19. Cevera Murillo .
22. Santos Cortez was born in Santa Cruz, Jalisco, Mexico. He married Leocadia Garcia de Leon on 21 May 1866 in Jesus, Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico.
23. Leocadia Garcia de Leon was born in Santa Cruz, Jalisco, Mexico.
24. Gregorio Mendoza .Gregorio married Geronima Sanchez.
25. Geronima Sanchez .
26. TEOFILO DIAS NINO was born on 9 Jan 1834 in Sayula, Jalisco, Mexico. He was christened on 9 Jan 1834 in Sayula, Jalisco, Mexico. He married Maria Davila on 25 Sep 1854 in Sayula, Jalisco, Mexico.
27. Maria Davila .
28. SECUNDINO DE LA ASENCION GUTIERRES NAVARRO was christened on 16 May 1833 in Ocotlan, Jalisco, Mexico. He married MA. JUANA RUIS on 5 Sep 1855 in Zapotlan del Rey, Jalisco, Mexico.
29. MA. JUANA RUIS .
30. Rosendo Vaca .Rosendo married Anastacia Velasquez in Portezuelo, Jalisco, Mexico.
31. Anastacia Velasquez .
Sixth Generation
32. Antonio Lopez .Antonio married Lugarda Aguilar.
33. Lugarda Aguilar .
34. MANUEL VELASCO .MANUEL married MARIA ESTEFANIA ORTEGA.
35. MARIA ESTEFANIA ORTEGA .
44. Guadalupe Cortez .Guadalupe married Vicenta Cortez.
45. Vicenta Cortez .
46. Julian Garcia de Lion .Julian married Jesus Zatarai.
47. Jesus Zatarai .
48. Francisco Mendoza .Francisco married Maria Dias.
49. Maria Dias .
50. Ambrosio Sanchez .Ambrosio married Manuela Sanchez.
51. Manuela Sanchez .
52. JOSE RAMON DIAZ .JOSE married MARIA ANASTACIA DE JESUS NINO on 4 Dec 1808 in Sayula, Jalisco, Mexico.
53. MARIA ANASTACIA DE JESUS NINO .
56. JOSE ANTONIO GUTIERRES .JOSE married MARIA DE JESUS NABARRO on 16 Oct 1822 in Ocotlan, Jalisco, Mexico.
57. MARIA DE JESUS NABARRO .
58. NICOLAS RUIZ .NICOLAS married MA. DE JESUS RIVAS.
59. MA. DE JESUS RIVAS .
Seventh Generation
104. VICENTE DIAZ .VICENTE married JUANA FLORES.
105. JUANA FLORES .
106. JOSE ANTONIO NINO .JOSE married MARIA NICOLASA DIAS.
107. MARIA NICOLASA DIAS .
Esther,
I have done some looking, I have done a new Ahnentafel Chart for you with
some things, that I have found. I can send you a gedcom file with
everything in it.
Jonathan
Ahnentafel Chart for Graciela Esther Lopez Mendoza
Third Generation
4. Felipe Lopez was born on 23 Aug 1898 in Jamay, Jalisco, Mexico. He died
on 21 Feb 1989 in Jamay, Jalisco, Mexico. He was buried on 22 Feb 1989 in
Jamay, Jalisco, Mexico. He married Carmen Ornelas on 7 Jul 1917.
5. Carmen Ornelas was born on 28 Nov 1900 in Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico.
She died on 7 Nov 1996 in Jamay, Jalisco, Mexico.
6. Librado Mendoza was born on 28 May 1899 in Colma, Colima, Mexico. He
died on 9 Jan 1980 in Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico. He was buried on 11 Jan
1980 in Jamay, Jalisco, Mexico. He married Librada Gutierrez on 6 Jun 1923
in Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico.
7. Librada Gutierrez was born on 20 Jul 1903 in Ocotlan, Jalisco, Mexico.
She was christened on 24 Jul 1903 in Ocotlan, Jalisco, Mexico. She died on 3
Sep 1994 in Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico. She was buried in Jamay, Jalisco,
Mexico.
Fourth Generation
8. JOSE DE JESUS LOPES BELASCO was born on 29 Jun 1858 in Rancho La Barca,
Jalisco, Mexico. He was christened on 29 Jun 1858 in Jamay, Jalisco, Mexico.
He died on 30 Oct 1935 in Jamay, Jalisco, Mexico. He was buried in Jamay,
Jalisco, Mexico. He married Ruperta Jimenez or Sisneros.
9. Ruperta Jimenez or Sisneros was born about 1863 in Rancho La Barca,
Jalisco, Mexico. She died about 1908 in Jamay, Jalisco, Mexico.
10. Doroteo Ornelas was born in Penjamo, Guanajuato, Mexico. He married
Rosa Cortez.
11. Rosa Cortez was born about 1881 in Santa Cruz de Astilleros, Jalisco,
Mexico.
12. JOSE LIBRADO DE LA TRINIDAD MENDOSA SANCHES was born in La Barca,
Jalisco, Mexico. He was christened on 17 Aug 1856 in Jamay, Jalisco, Mexico.
He died in Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico. He was buried on 11 Jun 1927 in
Jalisco, Mexico. He married Maria Dolores Diaz.
13. Maria Dolores Diaz was born in 1864 in Sayula, Jalisco, Mexico.
14. Lorenzo Gutierrez was born on 10 Aug 1882 in Ocotlan, Jalisco, Mexico.
He died in Mar 1939 in Jamay, Jalisco, Mexico. He married Maria Guadalupe
Vaca Velasquez on 26 Nov 1902 in Mexico.
15. Maria Guadalupe Vaca Velasquez was born on 12 Dec 1882 in Portezuelo,
Jalisco, Mexico. She died on 11 May 1965 in Jamay, Jalisco, Mexico. She was
buried in Jamay, Jalisco, Mexico.
Fifth Generation
16. JOSE RAFAEL LOPEZ AGUILAR was born in Michoacan. He was christened on
19 Apr 1833 in La Barca, Jalisco, Mexico. He married Maria Guadalupe
Velasco.
17. Maria Guadalupe Velasco was born in Michoacan.
18. TRINIDAD JIMENEZ .TRINIDAD married Cevera Murillo on 11 Feb 1852 in
Ocotlan, Jalisco, Mexico.
19. Cevera Murillo .
22. Santos Cortez was born in Santa Cruz, Jalisco, Mexico. He married
Leocadia Garcia de Leon on 21 May 1866 in Jesus, Guadalajara, Jalisco,
Mexico.
23. Leocadia Garcia de Leon was born in Santa Cruz, Jalisco, Mexico.
24. Gregorio Mendoza .Gregorio married Geronima Sanchez.
25. Geronima Sanchez .
26. TEOFILO DIAS NINO was born on 9 Jan 1834 in Sayula, Jalisco, Mexico.
He was christened on 9 Jan 1834 in Sayula, Jalisco, Mexico. He married Maria
Davila on 25 Sep 1854 in Sayula, Jalisco, Mexico.
27. Maria Davila .
28. SECUNDINO DE LA ASENCION GUTIERRES NAVARRO was christened on 16 May
1833 in Ocotlan, Jalisco, Mexico. He married MA. JUANA RUIS on 5 Sep 1855 in
Zapotlan del Rey, Jalisco, Mexico.
29. MA. JUANA RUIS .
30. Rosendo Vaca .Rosendo married Anastacia Velasquez in Portezuelo,
Jalisco, Mexico.
31. Anastacia Velasquez .
Sixth Generation
32. Antonio Lopez .Antonio married Lugarda Aguilar.
33. Lugarda Aguilar .
34. MANUEL VELASCO .MANUEL married MARIA ESTEFANIA ORTEGA.
35. MARIA ESTEFANIA ORTEGA .
44. Guadalupe Cortez .Guadalupe married Vicenta Cortez.
45. Vicenta Cortez .
46. Julian Garcia de Lion .Julian married Jesus Zatarai.
47. Jesus Zatarai .
48. Francisco Mendoza .Francisco married Maria Dias.
49. Maria Dias .
50. Ambrosio Sanchez .Ambrosio married Manuela Sanchez.
51. Manuela Sanchez .
52. JOSE RAMON DIAZ .JOSE married MARIA ANASTACIA DE JESUS NINO on 4 Dec
1808 in Sayula, Jalisco, Mexico.
53. MARIA ANASTACIA DE JESUS NINO .
56. JOSE ANTONIO GUTIERRES .JOSE married MARIA DE JESUS NABARRO on 16 Oct
1822 in Ocotlan, Jalisco, Mexico.
57. MARIA DE JESUS NABARRO .
58. NICOLAS RUIZ .NICOLAS married MA. DE JESUS RIVAS.
59. MA. DE JESUS RIVAS .
Seventh Generation
104. VICENTE DIAZ .VICENTE married JUANA FLORES.
105. JUANA FLORES .
106. JOSE ANTONIO NINO .JOSE married MARIA NICOLASA DIAS.
107. MARIA NICOLASA DIAS .
Yes, thank you! I am grateful for every bit of information I get.
-Esther
Esther,
I have done some looking, I have done a new Ahnentafel Chart for you with
some things, that I have found. I can send you a gedcom file with
everything in it.
Jonathan
Ahnentafel Chart for Graciela Esther Lopez Mendoza
Third Generation
4. Felipe Lopez was born on 23 Aug 1898 in Jamay, Jalisco, Mexico. He died
on 21 Feb 1989 in Jamay, Jalisco, Mexico. He was buried on 22 Feb 1989 in
Jamay, Jalisco, Mexico. He married Carmen Ornelas on 7 Jul 1917.
5. Carmen Ornelas was born on 28 Nov 1900 in Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico.
She died on 7 Nov 1996 in Jamay, Jalisco, Mexico.
6. Librado Mendoza was born on 28 May 1899 in Colma, Colima, Mexico. He
died on 9 Jan 1980 in Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico. He was buried on 11 Jan
1980 in Jamay, Jalisco, Mexico. He married Librada Gutierrez on 6 Jun 1923
in Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico.
7. Librada Gutierrez was born on 20 Jul 1903 in Ocotlan, Jalisco, Mexico.
She was christened on 24 Jul 1903 in Ocotlan, Jalisco, Mexico. She died on 3
Sep 1994 in Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico. She was buried in Jamay, Jalisco,
Mexico.
Fourth Generation
8. JOSE DE JESUS LOPES BELASCO was born on 29 Jun 1858 in Rancho La Barca,
Jalisco, Mexico. He was christened on 29 Jun 1858 in Jamay, Jalisco, Mexico.
He died on 30 Oct 1935 in Jamay, Jalisco, Mexico. He was buried in Jamay,
Jalisco, Mexico. He married Ruperta Jimenez or Sisneros.
9. Ruperta Jimenez or Sisneros was born about 1863 in Rancho La Barca,
Jalisco, Mexico. She died about 1908 in Jamay, Jalisco, Mexico.
10. Doroteo Ornelas was born in Penjamo, Guanajuato, Mexico. He married
Rosa Cortez.
11. Rosa Cortez was born about 1881 in Santa Cruz de Astilleros, Jalisco,
Mexico.
12. JOSE LIBRADO DE LA TRINIDAD MENDOSA SANCHES was born in La Barca,
Jalisco, Mexico. He was christened on 17 Aug 1856 in Jamay, Jalisco, Mexico.
He died in Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico. He was buried on 11 Jun 1927 in
Jalisco, Mexico. He married Maria Dolores Diaz.
13. Maria Dolores Diaz was born in 1864 in Sayula, Jalisco, Mexico.
14. Lorenzo Gutierrez was born on 10 Aug 1882 in Ocotlan, Jalisco, Mexico.
He died in Mar 1939 in Jamay, Jalisco, Mexico. He married Maria Guadalupe
Vaca Velasquez on 26 Nov 1902 in Mexico.
15. Maria Guadalupe Vaca Velasquez was born on 12 Dec 1882 in Portezuelo,
Jalisco, Mexico. She died on 11 May 1965 in Jamay, Jalisco, Mexico. She was
buried in Jamay, Jalisco, Mexico.
Fifth Generation
16. JOSE RAFAEL LOPEZ AGUILAR was born in Michoacan. He was christened on
19 Apr 1833 in La Barca, Jalisco, Mexico. He married Maria Guadalupe
Velasco.
17. Maria Guadalupe Velasco was born in Michoacan.
18. TRINIDAD JIMENEZ .TRINIDAD married Cevera Murillo on 11 Feb 1852 in
Ocotlan, Jalisco, Mexico.
19. Cevera Murillo .
22. Santos Cortez was born in Santa Cruz, Jalisco, Mexico. He married
Leocadia Garcia de Leon on 21 May 1866 in Jesus, Guadalajara, Jalisco,
Mexico.
23. Leocadia Garcia de Leon was born in Santa Cruz, Jalisco, Mexico.
24. Gregorio Mendoza .Gregorio married Geronima Sanchez.
25. Geronima Sanchez .
26. TEOFILO DIAS NINO was born on 9 Jan 1834 in Sayula, Jalisco, Mexico.
He was christened on 9 Jan 1834 in Sayula, Jalisco, Mexico. He married Maria
Davila on 25 Sep 1854 in Sayula, Jalisco, Mexico.
27. Maria Davila .
28. SECUNDINO DE LA ASENCION GUTIERRES NAVARRO was christened on 16 May
1833 in Ocotlan, Jalisco, Mexico. He married MA. JUANA RUIS on 5 Sep 1855 in
Zapotlan del Rey, Jalisco, Mexico.
29. MA. JUANA RUIS .
30. Rosendo Vaca .Rosendo married Anastacia Velasquez in Portezuelo,
Jalisco, Mexico.
31. Anastacia Velasquez .
Sixth Generation
32. Antonio Lopez .Antonio married Lugarda Aguilar.
33. Lugarda Aguilar .
34. MANUEL VELASCO .MANUEL married MARIA ESTEFANIA ORTEGA.
35. MARIA ESTEFANIA ORTEGA .
44. Guadalupe Cortez .Guadalupe married Vicenta Cortez.
45. Vicenta Cortez .
46. Julian Garcia de Lion .Julian married Jesus Zatarai.
47. Jesus Zatarai .
48. Francisco Mendoza .Francisco married Maria Dias.
49. Maria Dias .
50. Ambrosio Sanchez .Ambrosio married Manuela Sanchez.
51. Manuela Sanchez .
52. JOSE RAMON DIAZ .JOSE married MARIA ANASTACIA DE JESUS NINO on 4 Dec
1808 in Sayula, Jalisco, Mexico.
53. MARIA ANASTACIA DE JESUS NINO .
56. JOSE ANTONIO GUTIERRES .JOSE married MARIA DE JESUS NABARRO on 16 Oct
1822 in Ocotlan, Jalisco, Mexico.
57. MARIA DE JESUS NABARRO .
58. NICOLAS RUIZ .NICOLAS married MA. DE JESUS RIVAS.
59. MA. DE JESUS RIVAS .
Seventh Generation
104. VICENTE DIAZ .VICENTE married JUANA FLORES.
105. JUANA FLORES .
106. JOSE ANTONIO NINO .JOSE married MARIA NICOLASA DIAS.
107. MARIA NICOLASA DIAS .
Jonathan, since you are the expert can you tell us if there were two Portezuelos, one in the district of Tamazula? My ancestors lived there and the records are in the Tamauzula records. Did they just travel or are there actually 2 locations with the same name.
thank you, Linda in Everett
Jonathan wrote:
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Linda,
First, of all I am no expert (just a person who has been very lucky in
researching).
Second of all there are a total of 9 different towns in Jalisco with
Portezuelos in their names. Here is a list of them with their municipios:
Ameca
El Portezuelo
La Barca
Portezuelo
El Rincon de Portezuelo
Hostotipaquillo
Portezuelo
Lagos de Moreno
Portezuelos de Casillas
Portezuelos de Gonzalez
Pihuamo
Portezuelo
Talpa de Allende
El Portezuelo
Tamazula de Gordiano
Portezuelo Nuevo
Portezuelo Viejo
Tomatlan
El Portezuelo
I hope that, this helps someone.
Jonathan
--------- Original Message --------
From: research@nuestrosranchos.org
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Genealogia de mi Padre (Lopez-Ornelas)
Date: 03/20/08 04:20
> Jonathan, since you are the expert can you tell us if there were two
Portezuelos, one in the district of Tamazula? My ancestors lived there and
the records are in the Tamauzula records. Did they just travel or are there
actually 2 locations with the same name.
>
> thank you, Linda in Everett
>
> Jonathan wrote:
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo!
Search.
Jonathan, you are too modest! You have a wonderful reputation for the integrity of your work and I know you've worked countless hours in researching and sharing what you've learned. I'm really glad you're part of this group!
I tried accessing your site a couple of times and couldn't get past your home page, can't figure out what I'm doing wrong. I did contact you before since I have Rolon ancestors from Zapotlan El Grande/Ciudad Gusman as does your wife but we never made a family connection.
thank you for sharing the Portezuelo information.
Linda in Everett
Jonathan wrote:
Linda,
First, of all I am no expert (just a person who has been very lucky in
researching).
Second of all there are a total of 9 different towns in Jalisco with
Portezuelos in their names. Here is a list of them with their municipios:
Ameca
El Portezuelo
La Barca
Portezuelo
El Rincon de Portezuelo
Hostotipaquillo
Portezuelo
Lagos de Moreno
Portezuelos de Casillas
Portezuelos de Gonzalez
Pihuamo
Portezuelo
Talpa de Allende
El Portezuelo
Tamazula de Gordiano
Portezuelo Nuevo
Portezuelo Viejo
Tomatlan
El Portezuelo
I hope that, this helps someone.
Jonathan
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Linda,
Thank you.
As for accessing my site, you just goto www.mexicanfhr.com, at the bottom of
the page are the links to enter into the site. I will be doing some changes
to the overall design of the website in a few weeks.
Also, Dear Myrtle on her podcast last, talked about my website and what
material is on it.
Jonathan
--------- Original Message --------
From: research@nuestrosranchos.org
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Genealogia de mi Padre (Lopez-Ornelas)
Date: 03/21/08 03:31
> Jonathan, you are too modest! You have a wonderful reputation for the
integrity of your work and I know you've worked countless hours in
researching and sharing what you've learned. I'm really glad you're part of
this group!
>
> I tried accessing your site a couple of times and couldn't get past your
home page, can't figure out what I'm doing wrong. I did contact you before
since I have Rolon ancestors from Zapotlan El Grande/Ciudad Gusman as does
your wife but we never made a family connection.
>
> thank you for sharing the Portezuelo information.
> Linda in Everett
>
> Jonathan wrote:
> Linda,
>
> First, of all I am no expert (just a person who has been very lucky in
> researching).
>
> Second of all there are a total of 9 different towns in Jalisco with
> Portezuelos in their names. Here is a list of them with their municipios:
>
> Ameca
> El Portezuelo
>
> La Barca
> Portezuelo
> El Rincon de Portezuelo
>
> Hostotipaquillo
> Portezuelo
>
> Lagos de Moreno
> Portezuelos de Casillas
> Portezuelos de Gonzalez
>
> Pihuamo
> Portezuelo
>
> Talpa de Allende
> El Portezuelo
>
> Tamazula de Gordiano
> Portezuelo Nuevo
> Portezuelo Viejo
>
> Tomatlan
> El Portezuelo
>
> I hope that, this helps someone.
>
> Jonathan
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo!
Search.
Sunday, March 30, 2008
Dear Researchers--
We just arrived home from a trip to Jalisco, Mexico.
We stayed most of the time in Santa Rita, Ayotlan.
However we did make some day trips out to a few
villages in the Atotonilco el Alto municipio, and to
the town of Capilla de Guadalupe.
In order to reach those places and to go on a better
road, we went the back way from Santa Rita and passed
the village of Portesuelo in the La Barca municipio.
A number of years ago, we went to Portezuelo (it can
be spelled either way in the old records) because some
of our Godinez ancestors lived there.
I was surprised to see that there were so many other
places called Portesuelo in Jalisco. I am glad we can
share information with one another and learn more.
Sincerely,
Patricia Diane Godinez
San Diego
--- Erlinda Castanon-Long
wrote:
> Jonathan, you are too modest! You have a wonderful
> reputation for the integrity of your work and I know
> you've worked countless hours in researching and
> sharing what you've learned. I'm really glad you're
> part of this group!
>
> I tried accessing your site a couple of times and
> couldn't get past your home page, can't figure out
> what I'm doing wrong. I did contact you before
> since I have Rolon ancestors from Zapotlan El
> Grande/Ciudad Gusman as does your wife but we never
> made a family connection.
>
> thank you for sharing the Portezuelo information.
> Linda in Everett
>
> Jonathan wrote:
> Linda,
>
> First, of all I am no expert (just a person who has
> been very lucky in
> researching).
>
> Second of all there are a total of 9 different towns
> in Jalisco with
> Portezuelos in their names. Here is a list of them
> with their municipios:
>
> Ameca
> El Portezuelo
>
> La Barca
> Portezuelo
> El Rincon de Portezuelo
>
> Hostotipaquillo
> Portezuelo
>
> Lagos de Moreno
> Portezuelos de Casillas
> Portezuelos de Gonzalez
>
> Pihuamo
> Portezuelo
>
> Talpa de Allende
> El Portezuelo
>
> Tamazula de Gordiano
> Portezuelo Nuevo
> Portezuelo Viejo
>
> Tomatlan
> El Portezuelo
>
> I hope that, this helps someone.
>
> Jonathan
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them
> fast with Yahoo! Search.
Desde hace tiempo trato de comunicarme con ustedes para ver si me pueden ayudar
con alguna informacion sobre mis ancestros. Mi nombre es Esther Jordan (Lopez)
y vivo en San Diego, California.
Ahnentafel Chart for Rafael Ornelas Lopez
Second Generation
Felipe Lopez was born 23 Aug 1898 Jamay, Jalisco. He married Carmen
Ornelas 7 Jul 1917. He died 21 Feb and buried 22 Feb, 1989 in Jamay, Jalisco.
Carmen Ornelas born on 28 Nov 1900 in Guadalajara, Jalisco.
Third Generation
Jesus Lopez born Rancho La Barca, Jalisco. He married Ruperta Sisneros. He
died 30 Oct 1935 in Jamay, Jalisco. Ruperta Sisneros born in Rancho La Barca,
Jalisco. She died in Jamay, Jalisco.
Doroteo Ornelas born in Penjamo?, Guanajuato. He married Rosa Cortez.
Rosa Cortez was born in 1881 in Santa Cruz de Astilleros, Jalisco.
Muchas Gracias si pueden o no ayudarme. --Esther Jordan
Fourth Generation
Rafael Lopez was born in Michoacan. He married Maria Guadalupe Velasco.
Maria Guadalupe Velasco was born in Michoacan.
Jose Trinidad Sisneros married Cevera Murillo (Severa).
Santos Cortez born in Santa Cruz, Jalisco. He married Leocadia Garcia de Leon
de Santa Cruz de Astilleros
Leocadia Garcia de Leon born in Santa Cruz, Jalisco.
Fifth Generation
Antonio Lopez married Luqarda Aguilar (aka Aguilera).
Manuel Velasco married Estefania Ortega.
Otros nombres por parte de mi mama: Mendoza-Diaz; Gutierrez Vaca Velasquez;
Mendoza-Sanchez; Davila-Diaz - todos creo son de Jalisco (Ocotlan, Guadalajara,
Atotonilco El Alto; Zapotlan del Rey; Sayula, Portezuelo,y otros.
I FOUND ALOT! OF CHILDREN FOR EACH GENERATION FOR DATES ABD BAPTISMS, IF YOU DONT HAVE THEM
FROM FAMILYSEARCH ILL BE GLAD TO SEND YOU ALL INFO. BY SATURDAY LATEST. I SHOULD BE RELATED TO
YOU ESTER DISTANTLY SEVERAL WAYS. THE VELASCOS OF LOS ALTOS WERE ORIGINALLY RUIZ DE VELASCO
THEY ARRIVED DURING THE 1620'S IN MEXICO FROM SEVILLA...I THINK I NEED TO VERIFY I AGAIN. ORTEGA IS
A POSSIBILITY SINCE MOST WERE MORENO DE ORTEGA BUT THERE WERE OTHER ORTEGAS AS WELL. OBVIOULY
THE MENDOZAS ARE ALL RELATED..DIAZ CAN BE MANY WAYS...DIAZ TISCAREñO, DIAZ DE LEóN. GUTIéRREZ CAN
BE GUTIéRREZ-RUBIO. aS FOR YOUR oRNELAS LINE, CONGRATS YOUR PORTUGUESE! yAY! I DID FIND A DOROTEO
DE ORNELAS BUT HE WAS MARRIED TO A JUANA NOT ROSA BUT WAS FROM THE SMAE PLACE IN GUANAJUATO.
SO MAYBE THEY MIGHT BE RELATED SOMEHOW. YOULL NEED TO TRACE THEM BACK TO AT LEAST CA. 1750 IN
ORDER TO CONNECT BACK TO THE ALTEñO MAIN BRANCH OF THE oRNELAS. 1750 CA. IS MY EST. WHERE MOST OF
THE FAMILY HAD SPREAD OTHER THAN THE LOS ALTOS. THEY MARRIED INSIDE A LOT! YOU CANT FIND AN ORNELAS
IN GUANANJUATO UNTIL 1778! SOME USEFUL INFO...ALVARO DE ORNELAS WAS A ROYAL FROM PORTUGAL THAT
ARRIVED IN LAGOS DE MORENO IN THE 1570'S. HE WAS A GRANDSON OF THE KING. HE WAS THE CHILD OF
PRINCESS ESTEFANIA DE AVIS.
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Yes, you did!!! I am so excited. This is a wonderful way to start my day! Thank you!
My Grandmother's Background: Carmen Ornelas Born 28 NOV 1900, Guadalajara, Jalisco. Died 7 NOV 1996; Her father was Doroteo Ornelas, Guanajuato; I don't have anything else for him.
Her mother was Rosa Cortez born in Santa Cruz de Astilleros, Jalisco; Carmen had a brother named Heriberto who married Margarita Hernandez, Alfredo who married Soledad Gonzalez and Adela who resided in Chicago for many years. I have other info but not with me at this time.
Rosa had brothers and sisters as follow: Guadalupe, Maria Nestora, Refugio, Baldomero, Savas, Casimira (7 MAR 1867),Maria Merced, 24 SEP 1871. This info was given me verbally by my mother, so I don't know how accurate it might be. Rosa's father was Santos Cortez, Santa Cruz, Jalisco and mother Leocadia Garcia de Leon also from Santa Cruz.
I will try to get info on Secundino Gutierrez from Zapotlan del Rey, Jalisco, I have about 8 brothers/sisters for him but not with me at this time. His father was Antonio Gutierrez and his mother Maria de Jesus Navarro.
I hope this helps. Thank you, Esther
Im 100% I found your ancestor Rafael Lopez.
JOSE RAFAEL LOPEZ AGUILAR
Pedigree
Male
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
19 APR 1833
La Barca, Jalisco, Mexico
Death:
Burial:
Parents:
Father:
ANTONIO LOPEZ
Family
Mother:
LUGARDA AGUILAR
Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record.
The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or
christening date.
Source Information:
Batch No.:
Dates:
Source Call No.:
Type:
Printout Call No.:
Type:
C606056
1828 - 1836
0281023
Film
NONE
Sheet:
-Daniel MDC
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Daniel, yes, please send me whatever info you have. This is exciting news for me! Regarding my grandmother Carmen Ornelas... she believed in keeping her origin pure. She disowned my father when he married my mother because she was not in her class.
Wow! Well Jonathan.. I guess finished my job. He did a lot! for you. Anyway, wow! I can relate you
about the class thing. In my ancestry you'll hardly find any other than SPanish or European blood.
I have like 1 black and 2 or 3 indian lines. My mother's family went to the extreme! They cared so much
for "pure blood" that's what they called it. THey married inside their on family. Until this day 2008, we still
do that, I really don't want to marry my cousin! They believed very strange things. All my mom's ancestors
are related until 1750 or so. I find Theodoro García de León about 17 times on my tree! My mother's family owened
an hacienda, i think that's way they only mixed with other land owners. I think it was my grt gf Francisco Méndez
that didnt approve of my gm Cuca because she was mestiza. Her father was spanish (white skin) our family for
some reason dont call people Mexican, we still call them Negro, Mestizo or Spanish or Indio, not sure why. and her
Elena de Moran was also mestiza. My gf came out oliveish color. Im not sure why but when someone marries other
than European blood they make sure their descendants to hide their lineage of other than Euro. I didnt now I was
Black! Lol! My friends tell me "im whiter than a white person" LOL! I think it's fun learning your other lineages especially
the Indian one from Moctezuma. So many descendants! -Daniel Méndez del Camino
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Good question Miggy. My family is also from Jalos, and we live in the
Sacto area. I recall my father talking about a "Guero Torres." Does
this rink a bell? If so, I can ask my dad for further info. I have de
I have a Sixto(Sisto) de la Torre born April 1, 1876 born In Santana Jalisco, near Jalos son of Jose Bentura de Jesus de la Torre born of his second marriage to Narcisa Romo. Benturas first wife was Maria Feliciana de Jesus Alvarez.
Miggy
----- Original Message -----
From: Irma GomezLucero
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Research Digest, Vol 27, Issue 10
Good question Miggy. My family is also from Jalos, and we live in the
Sacto area. I recall my father talking about a "Guero Torres." Does
this rink a bell? If so, I can ask my dad for further info. I have de
la Torre in my lines....
Irma Gomez Gutierrez de Lucero
Message: 7
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 22:31:29 -0700
From: "Miggy GUTIERREZ" >
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Gutierrez y de La Torre
To: >
Message-ID: >
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Felix, who is Sisto married to and which son do do descend from. I may
have your answers?
----- Original Message -----
From: Felix De La Torre>
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Gutierrez y de La Torre
Ronnie,
I would be interested in any information concerning the De La Torre
line
from Jalostotitlan. My great Grandfather was Sisto De La Torre and
have
been unable to find any information about him to get things started.
J. Felix De La Torre
Sacramento
Thanks! This is wonderful information. I am sure that is my
Great-Grandfather, Sixto. My De La Torre line is from Santa Ana and I
believe the Narcisa Romo is related to the Father Toribio Romo, who is
now a Saint.
-----Original Message-----
From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Miggy
GUTIERREZ
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:16 AM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Research Digest, Vol 27, Issue 10
I have a Sixto(Sisto) de la Torre born April 1, 1876 born In Santana
Jalisco, near Jalos son of Jose Bentura de Jesus de la Torre born of
his second marriage to Narcisa Romo. Benturas first wife was Maria
Feliciana de Jesus Alvarez.
Miggy
----- Original Message -----
From: Irma GomezLucero
To:
research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Research Digest, Vol 27, Issue 10
Good question Miggy. My family is also from Jalos, and we live in the
Sacto area. I recall my father talking about a "Guero Torres." Does
this rink a bell? If so, I can ask my dad for further info. I have
de
la Torre in my lines....
Irma Gomez Gutierrez de Lucero
Message: 7
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 22:31:29 -0700
From: "Miggy GUTIERREZ"
>
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Gutierrez y de La Torre
To:
>
Message-ID:
>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Felix, who is Sisto married to and which son do do descend from. I
may
have your answers?
----- Original Message -----
From: Felix De La
Torre>
To:
research@nuestrosranchos.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Gutierrez y de La Torre
Ronnie,
I would be interested in any information concerning the De La Torre
line
from Jalostotitlan. My great Grandfather was Sisto De La Torre and
have
been unable to find any information about him to get things started.
J. Felix De La Torre
Sacramento
Felix, find out who sisto was married to and if this is yours, I have more when you verify Sisto wife , and if this is your ancestor.
----- Original Message -----
From: Felix De La Torre
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Research Digest, Vol 27, Issue 10
Thanks! This is wonderful information. I am sure that is my
Great-Grandfather, Sixto. My De La Torre line is from Santa Ana and I
believe the Narcisa Romo is related to the Father Toribio Romo, who is
now a Saint.
-----Original Message-----
From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Miggy
GUTIERREZ
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:16 AM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Research Digest, Vol 27, Issue 10
I have a Sixto(Sisto) de la Torre born April 1, 1876 born In Santana
Jalisco, near Jalos son of Jose Bentura de Jesus de la Torre born of
his second marriage to Narcisa Romo. Benturas first wife was Maria
Feliciana de Jesus Alvarez.
Miggy
----- Original Message -----
From: Irma GomezLucero>
To:
research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
.com>
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Research Digest, Vol 27, Issue 10
Good question Miggy. My family is also from Jalos, and we live in the
Sacto area. I recall my father talking about a "Guero Torres." Does
this rink a bell? If so, I can ask my dad for further info. I have
de
la Torre in my lines....
Irma Gomez Gutierrez de Lucero
Message: 7
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 22:31:29 -0700
From: "Miggy GUTIERREZ"
>>
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Gutierrez y de La Torre
To:
>>
Message-ID:
FC90AFA952BF77DBE50@phx.gbl>>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Felix, who is Sisto married to and which son do do descend from. I
may
have your answers?
----- Original Message -----
From: Felix De La
Torre.
net>>
To:
research@nuestrosranchos.org:
research@nuestrosranchos.org>>
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Gutierrez y de La Torre
Ronnie,
I would be interested in any information concerning the De La Torre
line
from Jalostotitlan. My great Grandfather was Sisto De La Torre and
have
been unable to find any information about him to get things started.
J. Felix De La Torre
Sacramento
I will try to access my files tonight and get back to you soon. I am
traveling right until Wednesday. Thanks.
-----Original Message-----
From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Miggy
GUTIERREZ
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:26 AM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Research Digest, Vol 27, Issue 10
Felix, find out who sisto was married to and if this is yours, I have
more when you verify Sisto wife , and if this is your ancestor.
----- Original Message -----
From: Felix De La Torre
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Research Digest, Vol 27, Issue 10
Thanks! This is wonderful information. I am sure that is my
Great-Grandfather, Sixto. My De La Torre line is from Santa Ana and I
believe the Narcisa Romo is related to the Father Toribio Romo, who
is
now a Saint.
-----Original Message-----
From:
research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Miggy
GUTIERREZ
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:16 AM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Research Digest, Vol 27, Issue 10
I have a Sixto(Sisto) de la Torre born April 1, 1876 born In Santana
Jalisco, near Jalos son of Jose Bentura de Jesus de la Torre born of
his second marriage to Narcisa Romo. Benturas first wife was Maria
Feliciana de Jesus Alvarez.
Miggy
----- Original Message -----
From: Irma
GomezLucero>
To:
research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
.com>
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Research Digest, Vol 27, Issue 10
Good question Miggy. My family is also from Jalos, and we live in
the
Sacto area. I recall my father talking about a "Guero Torres."
Does
this rink a bell? If so, I can ask my dad for further info. I have
de
la Torre in my lines....
Irma Gomez Gutierrez de Lucero
Message: 7
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 22:31:29 -0700
From: "Miggy GUTIERREZ"
>>
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Gutierrez y de La Torre
To:
>>
Message-ID:
FC90AFA952BF77DBE50@phx.gbl>>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Felix, who is Sisto married to and which son do do descend from. I
may
have your answers?
----- Original Message -----
From: Felix De La
Torre.
net>>
To:
research@nuestrosranchos.org>>
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Gutierrez y de La Torre
Ronnie,
I would be interested in any information concerning the De La
Torre
line
from Jalostotitlan. My great Grandfather was Sisto De La Torre
and
have
been unable to find any information about him to get things
started.
J. Felix De La Torre
Sacramento
Hello Everyone,I live in Claremont ,Calif. about 30 miles east of Los Angeles.Does anybody know what local library carries Luz Montejano 's book in my area? Thank you
Ronnie Reynoso
A college or university library might also have a copy. If so, you might be able to use it in the library, even though you are not enrolled as a student (that is the case with the local nearby university where I live). Call the library and inquire about the policy regarding non-student use of the library.
nc coleman
researching: CASTRO, DUENAS, GARCIA from Valparaiso district of Zacatecas
You can always check on http://www.worldcat.org
You can also purcahse Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara from Borderlands Books (George Farias' online bookstore)
Item 1042
It costs $160 but is worth every penny.
Put in your county and the word library on google. Then go to card catalogue under title put the name of the book or you can search author. If it is in any library it will tell you which one and if it is a permenant houseing or transferable to one nearest you. Must have a library card to transfer. goodluck
----- Original Message ----
From: Ronald Reynoso
To: "research@nuestrosranchos.org"
Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 10:36:58 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Luz Montejano's Book
Hello Everyone,I live in Claremont ,Calif. about 30 miles east of Los Angeles.Does anybody know what local library carries Luz Montejano 's book in my area? Thank you
Ronnie Reynoso
Hola Arturo ,thanks for the info. I tried a while back and ordered it but was told that they were out of stock . I am going to try again.
Thanks once again
Ronnie Reynoso pariente acasi todos de Los Altos> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> From: arturo.ramos2@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 10:20:55 -0700> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Luz Montejano's Book> > > You can also purcahse Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara from Borderlands Books (George Farias' online bookstore)> > http://borderlandsbooks.com> > Item 1042> > It costs $160 but is worth every penny.> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
Hi guys, they are still out :-)
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-----Original Message-----
From: Ronald Reynoso
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 10:29:00
To:
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Luz Montejano's Book
Hola Arturo ,thanks for the info. I tried a while back and ordered it but was told that they were out of stock . I am going to try again.
Thanks once again
Ronnie Reynoso pariente acasi todos de Los Altos> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> From: arturo.ramos2@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 10:20:55 -0700> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Luz Montejano's Book> > > You can also purcahse Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara from Borderlands Books (George Farias' online bookstore)> > http://borderlandsbooks.com> > Item 1042> > It costs $160 but is worth every penny.> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
Hola to you!
I spoke to my father today and he told me that the Gutierrez family had a Rancho El Monte in Acatic. My De La Torre's had tha Rancho El Sauz. I have been to Acatic, Tepa, etc visiting family when I was a youngster. My dad also said that his parents were married in the Church in Acatic. I had an Aunt Clementina from Acatic. In my fathers family my dad and one uncle took the last name Gutierrez, my other uncle took the name De La Torre. I have pictures of Rancho El Sauz, or what was left of it taken in 1980 the last time I was in Acatic. My Aunt Esperanza said all of the land has been sold off probably in 2000. I know absolutely nothing about my family other than the pedigree I posted. My dad is 71 and cannot remember much, but, I am going to see my Aunts this summer in Dixon Ca and will try to see if they remember anything.
Dear Cindy:
I did not see a Clementina De La Torre in my records, but then 1873
might have been a little too early for her. I have asked my in-laws about
their family and they always say oh, I can't remember much, but then if you
just listen while they talk, they end up telling you little clues about your
families past. Also, have you looked at the border crossings on
ancestry.com? Sometimes who families, extended families, crossed together.
It usually describes the person's physical appearance and sometimes has
pictures. Really neat. Also, the family search labs has the 1930 Mexican
Census. I do not know about the Acatic records, but it is worth a try.
Good luck.
Maureen Bejar
-----Original Message-----
From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of cindy
gutierrez
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 7:04 PM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Gutierrez y de La Torre
Hola to you!
I spoke to my father today and he told me that the Gutierrez family had a
Rancho El Monte in Acatic. My De La Torre's had tha Rancho El Sauz. I have
been to Acatic, Tepa, etc visiting family when I was a youngster. My dad
also said that his parents were married in the Church in Acatic. I had an
Aunt Clementina from Acatic. In my fathers family my dad and one uncle took
the last name Gutierrez, my other uncle took the name De La Torre. I have
pictures of Rancho El Sauz, or what was left of it taken in 1980 the last
time I was in Acatic. My Aunt Esperanza said all of the land has been sold
off probably in 2000. I know absolutely nothing about my family other than
the pedigree I posted. My dad is 71 and cannot remember much, but, I am
going to see my Aunts this summer in Dixon Ca and will try to see if they
remember anything.
Cindy
----- Original Message ----
From: Ronald Reynoso
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 12:50:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Gutierrez y de La Torre
Hola Ladies ,I too have Gutierrez and de La Torre lines. The Gutierrez line
hangs out in the region of Los Altos -Jalostotitlan,San Miguel el Alto and
San Julian . Jalos lies near Tepatitlan. I have an ancestor Clemente de La
Torre Ledesma (which are two names put together some time back) was from
Tepatitlan and his offspring which some stayed with de La Torre.
Ronnie Reynoso > From: gsoa@hotmail.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org>
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:30:21 -0500> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] (no
subject)> > > Hi Cindy I have some Gutierrez and De la Torre in my family
too. I guess info posted on these surnames will be usful for both of us. I
submited a small file, please seeif you can access it, it may be useful for
you.> Gabriela> Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 03:25:42 -0700> From:
cjg63@sbcglobal.net> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: [Nuestros
Ranchos] (no subject)> > Hello Everyone,> > My name is Cindy Gutierrez and I
am researching my father Antonio's family. He was born in Jalisco in a small
town called Acatic. He was born on his father's Rancho El Sauz. The family
names I am researching are Gutierrez(my grandmother Josephinas family name)
and De La Torre (my grandfather Antonios family name). Included are De
Moron, Becerra, and a few others that I am still trying to get. My
Grandmothers
family had a Rancho near
Tepa, I think, my dad is kind of fuzzy on some things, but I will get all
the information I can. Most of my fathers family is here now, although they
live part of the year in Acatic. I have been to Mexico many times to see
family and take pictures of the Rancho before they sold it. I would love to
know more about my family and possibly connect with cousins here in
California an> d elsewhere. Unfortunately I no longer am able to speak
Spanish so that has limited my ability to get information. I am very by the
possibilites of> this website. > > Cindy Gutierrez> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
Dear Maureen,
My father was the first one of his family to come to the states, that was in 1956. His father died when he was 7 and his mother died in 1964 in Acatic. His 2 brothers followed here, and my Aunts only live here part time, and that only started a few years ago. My fathers cousins are here, but I know nothing about them other than they came in the 1970-1980's. I am hoping to get more info this summer, but, I have to keep my fingers crossed on that one.
Cindy
----- Original Message ----
From: Maureen Bejar
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 6:07:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Gutierrez y de La Torre
Dear Cindy:
I did not see a Clementina De La Torre in my records, but then 1873
might have been a little too early for her. I have asked my in-laws about
their family and they always say oh, I can't remember much, but then if you
just listen while they talk, they end up telling you little clues about your
families past. Also, have you looked at the border crossings on
ancestry.com? Sometimes who families, extended families, crossed together.
It usually describes the person's physical appearance and sometimes has
pictures. Really neat. Also, the family search labs has the 1930 Mexican
Census. I do not know about the Acatic records, but it is worth a try.
Good luck.
Maureen Bejar
-----Original Message-----
From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of cindy
gutierrez
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 7:04 PM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Gutierrez y de La Torre
Hola to you!
I spoke to my father today and he told me that the Gutierrez family had a
Rancho El Monte in Acatic. My De La Torre's had tha Rancho El Sauz. I have
been to Acatic, Tepa, etc visiting family when I was a youngster. My dad
also said that his parents were married in the Church in Acatic. I had an
Aunt Clementina from Acatic. In my fathers family my dad and one uncle took
the last name Gutierrez, my other uncle took the name De La Torre. I have
pictures of Rancho El Sauz, or what was left of it taken in 1980 the last
time I was in Acatic. My Aunt Esperanza said all of the land has been sold
off probably in 2000. I know absolutely nothing about my family other than
the pedigree I posted. My dad is 71 and cannot remember much, but, I am
going to see my Aunts this summer in Dixon Ca and will try to see if they
remember anything.
Cindy
----- Original Message ----
From: Ronald Reynoso
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 12:50:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Gutierrez y de La Torre
Hola Ladies ,I too have Gutierrez and de La Torre lines. The Gutierrez line
hangs out in the region of Los Altos -Jalostotitlan,San Miguel el Alto and
San Julian . Jalos lies near Tepatitlan. I have an ancestor Clemente de La
Torre Ledesma (which are two names put together some time back) was from
Tepatitlan and his offspring which some stayed with de La Torre.
Ronnie Reynoso > From: gsoa@hotmail.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org>
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:30:21 -0500> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] (no
subject)> > > Hi Cindy I have some Gutierrez and De la Torre in my family
too. I guess info posted on these surnames will be usful for both of us. I
submited a small file, please seeif you can access it, it may be useful for
you.> Gabriela> Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 03:25:42 -0700> From:
cjg63@sbcglobal.net> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: [Nuestros
Ranchos] (no subject)> > Hello Everyone,> > My name is Cindy Gutierrez and I
am researching my father Antonio's family. He was born in Jalisco in a small
town called Acatic. He was born on his father's Rancho El Sauz. The family
names I am researching are Gutierrez(my grandmother Josephinas family name)
and De La Torre (my grandfather Antonios family name). Included are De
Moron, Becerra, and a few others that I am still trying to get. My
Grandmothers
family had a Rancho near
Tepa, I think, my dad is kind of fuzzy on some things, but I will get all
the information I can. Most of my fathers family is here now, although they
live part of the year in Acatic. I have been to Mexico many times to see
family and take pictures of the Rancho before they sold it. I would love to
know more about my family and possibly connect with cousins here in
California an> d elsewhere. Unfortunately I no longer am able to speak
Spanish so that has limited my ability to get information. I am very by the
possibilites of> this website. > > Cindy Gutierrez> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
Dear Cindy:
Then the Mexican Census in 1930 will be what you might want to look at.
It may show your mother's and father's families. From there you will know
the grandparents names. Also looking at the LDS microfilms if available for
your mother's and father's births may also list the grandparents on both
sides. I put in Acatic Mexico in familysearch. I am not sure if this is
your Acatic or if there is another Acatic in Mexico. You may want to find
out then order the microfilms, if this is your Acatic. See links below:
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.as…
play=titledetails&titleno=154073&disp=Registros+parroquiales%20%20&columns=*
,0,0
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.as…
play=localitydetails&subject=178118&subject_disp=M%C3%A9xico%2C+Jalisco%2C+A
catic&columns=*,0,0
Maureen
-----Original Message-----
From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of cindy
gutierrez
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 8:37 PM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Gutierrez y de La Torre
Dear Maureen,
My father was the first one of his family to come to the states, that was in
1956. His father died when he was 7 and his mother died in 1964 in Acatic.
His 2 brothers followed here, and my Aunts only live here part time, and
that only started a few years ago. My fathers cousins are here, but I know
nothing about them other than they came in the 1970-1980's. I am hoping to
get more info this summer, but, I have to keep my fingers crossed on that
one.
Cindy
----- Original Message ----
From: Maureen Bejar
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 6:07:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Gutierrez y de La Torre
Dear Cindy:
I did not see a Clementina De La Torre in my records, but then 1873
might have been a little too early for her. I have asked my in-laws about
their family and they always say oh, I can't remember much, but then if you
just listen while they talk, they end up telling you little clues about your
families past. Also, have you looked at the border crossings on
ancestry.com? Sometimes who families, extended families, crossed together.
It usually describes the person's physical appearance and sometimes has
pictures. Really neat. Also, the family search labs has the 1930 Mexican
Census. I do not know about the Acatic records, but it is worth a try.
Good luck.
Maureen Bejar
-----Original Message-----
From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of cindy
gutierrez
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 7:04 PM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Gutierrez y de La Torre
Hola to you!
I spoke to my father today and he told me that the Gutierrez family had a
Rancho El Monte in Acatic. My De La Torre's had tha Rancho El Sauz. I have
been to Acatic, Tepa, etc visiting family when I was a youngster. My dad
also said that his parents were married in the Church in Acatic. I had an
Aunt Clementina from Acatic. In my fathers family my dad and one uncle took
the last name Gutierrez, my other uncle took the name De La Torre. I have
pictures of Rancho El Sauz, or what was left of it taken in 1980 the last
time I was in Acatic. My Aunt Esperanza said all of the land has been sold
off probably in 2000. I know absolutely nothing about my family other than
the pedigree I posted. My dad is 71 and cannot remember much, but, I am
going to see my Aunts this summer in Dixon Ca and will try to see if they
remember anything.
Cindy
----- Original Message ----
From: Ronald Reynoso
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 12:50:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Gutierrez y de La Torre
Hola Ladies ,I too have Gutierrez and de La Torre lines. The Gutierrez line
hangs out in the region of Los Altos -Jalostotitlan,San Miguel el Alto and
San Julian . Jalos lies near Tepatitlan. I have an ancestor Clemente de La
Torre Ledesma (which are two names put together some time back) was from
Tepatitlan and his offspring which some stayed with de La Torre.
Ronnie Reynoso > From: gsoa@hotmail.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org>
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:30:21 -0500> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] (no
subject)> > > Hi Cindy I have some Gutierrez and De la Torre in my family
too. I guess info posted on these surnames will be usful for both of us. I
submited a small file, please seeif you can access it, it may be useful for
you.> Gabriela> Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 03:25:42 -0700> From:
cjg63@sbcglobal.net> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: [Nuestros
Ranchos] (no subject)> > Hello Everyone,> > My name is Cindy Gutierrez and I
am researching my father Antonio's family. He was born in Jalisco in a small
town called Acatic. He was born on his father's Rancho El Sauz. The family
names I am researching are Gutierrez(my grandmother Josephinas family name)
and De La Torre (my grandfather Antonios family name). Included are De
Moron, Becerra, and a few others that I am still trying to get. My
Grandmothers
family had a Rancho near
Tepa, I think, my dad is kind of fuzzy on some things, but I will get all
the information I can. Most of my fathers family is here now, although they
live part of the year in Acatic. I have been to Mexico many times to see
family and take pictures of the Rancho before they sold it. I would love to
know more about my family and possibly connect with cousins here in
California an> d elsewhere. Unfortunately I no longer am able to speak
Spanish so that has limited my ability to get information. I am very by the
possibilites of> this website. > > Cindy Gutierrez> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
Hi,
I, too, have Gutierrez and de la Torre from Tepatitlan. I am a
Romero. My paternal grandparents were Castulo Romero and Sophia de la
Torre. My maternal grandparents were Jose de la Torre and Elena
Romero. My paternal great grandparents were Manuel Romero and Maria
Marcelina de la Torre. Marcelina's parents were Fernando de la Torre
and Maria Gutierrez, c. 1830. Manuel Romero's parents were Serapio
Romero and Petra Pena. All were born in Tepatitlan.
Great uncle's & aunts include Adolpo, Leopold, and Beatriz de la
Torre. On the Romero side there was Marcos, Serapio, Jose, Maria
Luisa, Maria de Jesus, and Abigail Romero.
I have all the right names and location, but that's all I have. I
don't know the ranches they lived on. Other names in the family are
Navarro, Franco, Martin, Lopez, Gonzalez.
I also have a picture of my father in Guadalajara with his cousin
Esperanza. I haven't figured out how she fits in.
My father was born in 1907 in Tepatitlan and came to the US in 1923.
He, his brother and sister are all dead so I can't ask them
questions. I don't know any relatives in Mexico or other parts of
the US except my first cousins, and they are as much in the dark as I
am.
Do any of my family members fit into your families? I have my gedcom
posted on NuestrosRanchos, but it needs updating.
Linda Romero
Dear Linda:
I have a record for a Jose Serapio son of Manuel Romero and Marcelina de
La Torre. The grandparents were Serapio Romero and Petra Pena and Fernando
De La Toree and Maria Gutierrez. Would you like it? It is from LDS film #
0218468 batch C603723.
-----Original Message-----
From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Linda
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 9:49 AM
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Gutierrez y de La Torre
Hi,
I, too, have Gutierrez and de la Torre from Tepatitlan. I am a
Romero. My paternal grandparents were Castulo Romero and Sophia de la
Torre. My maternal grandparents were Jose de la Torre and Elena
Romero. My paternal great grandparents were Manuel Romero and Maria
Marcelina de la Torre. Marcelina's parents were Fernando de la Torre
and Maria Gutierrez, c. 1830. Manuel Romero's parents were Serapio
Romero and Petra Pena. All were born in Tepatitlan.
Great uncle's & aunts include Adolpo, Leopold, and Beatriz de la
Torre. On the Romero side there was Marcos, Serapio, Jose, Maria
Luisa, Maria de Jesus, and Abigail Romero.
I have all the right names and location, but that's all I have. I
don't know the ranches they lived on. Other names in the family are
Navarro, Franco, Martin, Lopez, Gonzalez.
I also have a picture of my father in Guadalajara with his cousin
Esperanza. I haven't figured out how she fits in.
My father was born in 1907 in Tepatitlan and came to the US in 1923.
He, his brother and sister are all dead so I can't ask them
questions. I don't know any relatives in Mexico or other parts of
the US except my first cousins, and they are as much in the dark as I
am.
Do any of my family members fit into your families? I have my gedcom
posted on NuestrosRanchos, but it needs updating.
Linda Romero
>
>> 1. Gutierrez y de La Torre (Linda)
>> 2. Re: Gutierrez y de La Torre (Maureen Bejar)
>>
>> Dear Linda:
>> I have a record for a Jose Serapio son of Manuel Romero and
>> Marcelina de
>> La Torre. The grandparents were Serapio Romero and Petra Pena and
>> Fernando
>> De La Toree and Maria Gutierrez. Would you like it? It is from
>> LDS film #
>> 0218468 batch C603723.
>>
Dear Maureen,
Thank you very much for your kind offer. I would love to have a copy
of the record.
Linda
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Message: 21
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:24:56 -0700
From: "Miggy GUTIERREZ"
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Are we related?
To:
Irma, I believe this may be the same, I have him married to Maria del Refugio Gomez per info from my uncles. Other wife Francisca Jimenez.
----- Original Message -----
From: Irma GomezLucero
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Research Digest, Vol 26, Issue 14
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Message: 21
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:24:56 -0700
From: "Miggy GUTIERREZ" >
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Are we related?
To: >
Message-ID: >
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Felix, I made some calls. this is the Same Nicolas de la Torre. His
first wife was Maria de la Luz martin daughter of Celso Martin & Tia
Cuca Perez daughter of Casimiro Perez.
Sorry to jump into this family reunion, but..........................
Was this Casimiro Perez married to Petra-del-Refugio Gomez in 1891?
Irma Gomez Gtz de Lucero
N. California.
Nicolas was my Granfather Merced de la Torre first cousin. son of Sisto
whose brother was my great Grandfather Abraham de la Torre b-1856.. Gg
was Jose Bentura de Jesus b-July 13, 1817 Santa ana married to Maria
Feliciana de Jesus Alvarez b-Nov 27, 1822 Ca?ada Onda, jalos-- there is
more if you need -- I found that Nicolas has brothers
Lucio-Antonio-Lalo-Cleofas
-----
It sure sound like the same person...
-----Original Message-----
From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Miggy
GUTIERREZ
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 3:59 PM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Research Digest, Vol 26, Issue 14
Irma, I believe this may be the same, I have him married to Maria del
Refugio Gomez per info from my uncles. Other wife Francisca Jimenez.
----- Original Message -----
From: Irma GomezLucero
To:
research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Research Digest, Vol 26, Issue 14
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Message: 21
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:24:56 -0700
From: "Miggy GUTIERREZ"
>
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Are we related?
To:
>
Message-ID:
>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Felix, I made some calls. this is the Same Nicolas de la Torre. His
first wife was Maria de la Luz martin daughter of Celso Martin & Tia
Cuca Perez daughter of Casimiro Perez.
Sorry to jump into this family reunion, but..........................
Was this Casimiro Perez married to Petra-del-Refugio Gomez in 1891?
Irma Gomez Gtz de Lucero
N. California.
Nicolas was my Granfather Merced de la Torre first cousin. son of
Sisto
whose brother was my great Grandfather Abraham de la Torre b-1856.. Gg
was Jose Bentura de Jesus b-July 13, 1817 Santa ana married to
Maria
Feliciana de Jesus Alvarez b-Nov 27, 1822 Ca?ada Onda, jalos-- there
is
more if you need -- I found that Nicolas has brothers
Lucio-Antonio-Lalo-Cleofas
-----
I think I made another royal connection for you Ornelas, Vásquez de BAca (The New Mexico Lineage). After long research (Not really just abt 3 hours.) An ancestor of the Vasquez de BAca is Leonor de Orozco and an ancestor of Ornelas is Petronila de Orozco are sister as we know.
Hola Primo, I need to compare notes and correct some ,tell me if I'm wrong .
Juana Alcala (married to Miguel Vasquez de Lara in 1659):
Parents-Lucas or Juan lucas Alcala y Rojas Or Orosco and Juana Mendoza y Garibay(married in 1620)
I have no knowledge of Juan Lucas Alcala Parents.
Parents of Juana Mendoza Mendoza y Garibay:-Julio or Juan de La Mora y Mendoza and Francisca Garibay.
I need correction and trying to fit what you mentioned below.
Also how does the jewish line fit in ?
Ronnie> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> From: mormonboy74@hotmail.com> Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 15:28:12 -0700> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] I think I made a Connection> > > I think I made another royal connection for you Ornelas, Vásquez de BAca (The New Mexico Lineage). After long research (Not really just abt 3 hours.) An ancestor of the Vasquez de BAca is Leonor de Orozco and an ancestor of Ornelas is Petronila de Orozco are sister as we know. They descend from ELvira Tovar y Enriquez, according to the New Mexico Genealogical Society but they said Elvira's parents are unknown but she is a close relative to the Dukes of Frias and Marquesses of Berlanaga. I found a Couple in the same time peiord that of Juan Tovar, Lord of Berlanga and Constanza Enriquez. If these are Elvira's parents, not only would she be a cousin to the Dukes of Frias but this would also answer a long question that the society has had. Im pretty positive that these are her parents but no proof. She also has Jewish ancestry back to King David! -Any suggestons? -Daniel Méndez del Camino> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
Hello Ronnie, all info is correct Ill send you what ive discovered about the nobility and jewish of this family in another email. for noe heres some history and their family and lucas' parents and genealogy. Hope it will extend a lot! -Daniel
VÁSQUEZ de LARA
The maternal ancestry of José Vásquez de Lara (ONMF: 306) is the only New Mexico lineage that extends as far back as the early 1400s in Spain. This lineage is based on the work of Mexican genealogists Mariano González Leal, José Ignacio Dávila Garibi, and Jesús Amaya. However, it was the research of Ophelia Márquez that provided the critical information to link the family of José Vásquez de Lara with the genealogical research of González Leal, Dávila Garibi, and Amaya.
As documented by Chávez, José Vásquez de Lara was a native of the Villa de los Lagos (aka Santa María de los Lagos) in Nueva Galicia, a son of Miguel Vásquez de Lara and Juana de Alcalá (ONMF: 306). He was married in 1694 with María Magdalena Baca. Their daughter María Vásquez Baca became the wife of Diego Padilla (ONMF: 253). This couple had eight known children and are common ancestors for many Hispano New Mexicans.
Paternal Ancestry:
Miguel Vásquez de Lara, a native of Jalostotitlán, Nueva Galicia, was married circa 1659 with Juana de Alcalá y Mendoza, native of Tlazazalca, Michoacán, Nueva España (her ancestry given below).
Miguel was a son of Cristóval Vásquez de Lara, native of the villa of Santa María de los Lagos, and María Ortiz, native of Santa María de los Lagos who died 9 January 1684 at Los Lagos.
Cristóval Vásquez de Lara was a son of Martín Vásquez Zermeno, a native of Mexico City who died at Santa María de los Lagos, and Ana García de Lara (aka Ana García de Miranda).
Martín Vásquez Zermeno was a son of Juan Vásquez and Elvira Gil de Lara, residents of Mexico City according to research by Jaime Holcombe.
Maternal Ancestry:
Juana de Alcalá y Mendoza, wife of Miguel Vásquez de Lara, was a native of Tlazazalca, Michoacán, Nueva España, and a daughter Juan Lucas Alcalá y Orozco and Juana Avina Hurtado de Mendoza.
Juan Lucas Alcalá y Orozco, a native of Tlazazalca, Michoacán who died prior to 1661, was a son of Juan Alcalá y Zamora and Leonor Orozco (see Alcalá and Orozco lineage below). He was married with Juana de la Mora Mendoza y Garibay (aka Avina Hurtado de Mendoza), bt. 28 January 1616, Zamora, Michoacán, daughter of Juan de la Mora y Mendoza and Francisca Ochoa Garibay.
Mora y Mendoza and Ochoa Garibay:
Juan de la Mora y Mendoza, Alcalde Mayor of the town of Zamora, was married at Zamora on 11 March 1613 (veiled 26 August 1613) with Francisca Ochoa Garibay (aka Garibay Samaniego & Garibay Solis), daughter of Diego Ochoa Garibay (from Castilla) and Juana Núñez. Juan and Francisca had these known children baptized at Zamora: 1) Esteban de la Mora Mendoza y Garibay, bt. 2 February 1614; 2) Juana de la Mora y Garibay, bt. 19 February 1615 (possibly died as an infant); 3) Juana de la Mora Mendoza y Garibay, bt. 28 january 1616; 4) Juan de la Mora y Garibay; 5) Francisca de la Mora y Garibay, bt. 4 October 1618; 6) Lucía de la Mora y Mendoza y Garibai, bt. 12 January 1624; 7) Francisca de la Mora y Garibai, bt. 7 June 1625.
Alcalá and Orozco:
Juan Alcalá y Zamora and his wife Leonor Orozco both wrote their wills in 1623 at Valladolid, Michoacán, Nueva España. They were the parents of Juan Lucas Alcalá y Orozco.
Juan Alcalá y Zamora was a son of Juan Alcalá and Isabel Zamora, a native of Yelamos, Spain, who came to Nueva España to join her husband. Her record of passage to the New World identified her as a daughter of Antonio Zamora and Francisca Lozana.
Leonor Orozco has an ancestry the reaches back to the early 1400s in Spain, if not back to the late 1300s. It is the only confirmed New Mexico family ancestry that can be extended to the middle ages. Her family genealogy was researched by Mariano González Leal and José Igncaio Dávila Garibi. Members of the Orozco family are among the common ancestors for people with roots in Nueva Galicia.
Leonor Orozco was a daughter of Juan Lucas Morcillo, a native of Castilla, and doña Isabel de Orozco. Doña Isabel Orozco had two sisters: 1) Doña Catalina de Orozco married with don Bartolomé Rodríguez de Aranda, with issue, and 2) Doña María de Orozco married with don Tomás de Burgos Antolines, a native of Spain, with issue. These sisters were the daughters of don Pedro Hernández de Aguilera, owner of the hacienda de Xanamuato, Michoacán, Nueva España, and doña Beatriz de Orozco Tovar, a native of the Villa de Vélez, Spain.
Doña Beatriz de Orozco Tovar was a daughter of don Diego de Orozco Tovar and doñ Ana Mexía who were married at the Villa de Vélez, Spain. Don Diego had two brothers that had came to the New World: 1) Capitán don Juan de Villaseñor y Orozco, a conquistador of Nueva España and a founder of Valladolid in Michoacán who was married with doña Catalina Cervantes de Lara, and 2) Fransico de Orozco Tovar, a conquistador of Oaxaca.
These brothers were the sons of don Diego de Villaseñor y Orozco, aka don Diego de Burgos Villaseñor, Alcalde de la Fortaleza de Vélez, and doña Guiomar de Orozco. Doña Guiomar was a daughter of don Diego de Orozco, Comendadro de Pozo Rubio en la Orden de Santiago, and doña Guiomar de Sandoval (a daughter of don Pedro de Sandoval and doña Catalina Fernández).
Don Diego de Villaseñor y Orozco was a son of don Diego de Villaseñor Tovar ("El de Burgos") and doña Isabel Alfonso de Villaseñor, native of the pueblo de San Miguel Esteban. Don Diego ("El de Burgos") was a son of don Juan de Villaseñor y Serones (Comendador en la Orden de Santiago and Alcalde de la Fortaleza de Zaragoza) and doña Elvira Tovar y Enriquez. José Ignacio Dávila Garibi noted that doña Elvira was a close relative of the Marqueses de Berlanga and the Duques de Frías. Research into the Tovar family of Berlanga has not been able to verify this connection, although the possibility is quite strong.
Researchers: Ophelia Márquez, Tony Campos, Jiame Holcombe, Mariano González Leal, and José Ignacio Dávila Garibi.
Sources: Ophelia Márquez, "La Familia Vasquez de Lara de Nuevo Mexico con Origen en Nueva Galicia y Michoacan," in Somos Primos (Newsletter of the Society of Hispanic Historical and Ancestral Research/SHHAR), March and April 1992; Marianao González Leal, Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia, Universidad de Guanajuato, 1983, Vol II: 66-67; Tony Campos and Ophelia Márquez, "Zamora, Michoacán, México, Marriages 1605-1622, 1638-1646," in Genealogical Journal: Society of Hispanic Historical and Ancestral Research, Vol. II, 1995:124; Tony Campos and Ophelia Márquez, "Zamora, Michoacán, México, Baptisma (1605-1637) and Extensive Family Genealogies of Zamora and Surrounding Areas," in Genealogical Journal: Society of Hispanic Historical and Ancestral Research, Vol. III, 1996:71-150.
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Hello Everyone,
I am new and doing research on Alcala from Tepatitlan, Jalostotitlan and Pegueros. I see you have extensive research on the Orozco family that includes Alcalas. Are we related in any way?
Thanks!
Gabriela
> From: mormonboy74@hotmail.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 19:21:12 -0700> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] I think I made a Connection-Orosco> > > Hello Ronnie, all info is correct Ill send you what ive discovered about the nobility and jewish of this family in another email. for noe heres some history and their family and lucas' parents and genealogy. Hope it will extend a lot! -Daniel> > VÁSQUEZ de LARA> The maternal ancestry of José Vásquez de Lara (ONMF: 306) is the only New Mexico lineage that extends as far back as the early 1400s in Spain. This lineage is based on the work of Mexican genealogists Mariano González Leal, José Ignacio Dávila Garibi, and Jesús Amaya. However, it was the research of Ophelia Márquez that provided the critical information to link the family of José Vásquez de Lara with the genealogical research of González Leal, Dávila Garibi, and Amaya.> As documented by Chávez, José Vásquez de Lara was a native of the Villa de los Lagos (aka Santa María de los Lagos) in Nueva Galicia, a son of Miguel Vásquez de Lara and Juana de Alcalá (ONMF: 306). He was married in 1694 with María Magdalena Baca. Their daughter María Vásquez Baca became the wife of Diego Padilla (ONMF: 253). This couple had eight known children and are common ancestors for many Hispano New Mexicans.> Paternal Ancestry:> Miguel Vásquez de Lara, a native of Jalostotitlán, Nueva Galicia, was married circa 1659 with Juana de Alcalá y Mendoza, native of Tlazazalca, Michoacán, Nueva España (her ancestry given below). > Miguel was a son of Cristóval Vásquez de Lara, native of the villa of Santa María de los Lagos, and María Ortiz, native of Santa María de los Lagos who died 9 January 1684 at Los Lagos.> Cristóval Vásquez de Lara was a son of Martín Vásquez Zermeno, a native of Mexico City who died at Santa María de los Lagos, and Ana García de Lara (aka Ana García de Miranda).> Martín Vásquez Zermeno was a son of Juan Vásquez and Elvira Gil de Lara, residents of Mexico City according to research by Jaime Holcombe.> > Maternal Ancestry:> Juana de Alcalá y Mendoza, wife of Miguel Vásquez de Lara, was a native of Tlazazalca, Michoacán, Nueva España, and a daughter Juan Lucas Alcalá y Orozco and Juana Avina Hurtado de Mendoza.> Juan Lucas Alcalá y Orozco, a native of Tlazazalca, Michoacán who died prior to 1661, was a son of Juan Alcalá y Zamora and Leonor Orozco (see Alcalá and Orozco lineage below). He was married with Juana de la Mora Mendoza y Garibay (aka Avina Hurtado de Mendoza), bt. 28 January 1616, Zamora, Michoacán, daughter of Juan de la Mora y Mendoza and Francisca Ochoa Garibay.> Mora y Mendoza and Ochoa Garibay:> Juan de la Mora y Mendoza, Alcalde Mayor of the town of Zamora, was married at Zamora on 11 March 1613 (veiled 26 August 1613) with Francisca Ochoa Garibay (aka Garibay Samaniego & Garibay Solis), daughter of Diego Ochoa Garibay (from Castilla) and Juana Núñez. Juan and Francisca had these known children baptized at Zamora: 1) Esteban de la Mora Mendoza y Garibay, bt. 2 February 1614; 2) Juana de la Mora y Garibay, bt. 19 February 1615 (possibly died as an infant); 3) Juana de la Mora Mendoza y Garibay, bt. 28 january 1616; 4) Juan de la Mora y Garibay; 5) Francisca de la Mora y Garibay, bt. 4 October 1618; 6) Lucía de la Mora y Mendoza y Garibai, bt. 12 January 1624; 7) Francisca de la Mora y Garibai, bt. 7 June 1625.> > Alcalá and Orozco:> Juan Alcalá y Zamora and his wife Leonor Orozco both wrote their wills in 1623 at Valladolid, Michoacán, Nueva España. They were the parents of Juan Lucas Alcalá y Orozco.> Juan Alcalá y Zamora was a son of Juan Alcalá and Isabel Zamora, a native of Yelamos, Spain, who came to Nueva España to join her husband. Her record of passage to the New World identified her as a daughter of Antonio Zamora and Francisca Lozana.> Leonor Orozco has an ancestry the reaches back to the early 1400s in Spain, if not back to the late 1300s. It is the only confirmed New Mexico family ancestry that can be extended to the middle ages. Her family genealogy was researched by Mariano González Leal and José Igncaio Dávila Garibi. Members of the Orozco family are among the common ancestors for people with roots in Nueva Galicia. > Leonor Orozco was a daughter of Juan Lucas Morcillo, a native of Castilla, and doña Isabel de Orozco. Doña Isabel Orozco had two sisters: 1) Doña Catalina de Orozco married with don Bartolomé Rodríguez de Aranda, with issue, and 2) Doña María de Orozco married with don Tomás de Burgos Antolines, a native of Spain, with issue. These sisters were the daughters of don Pedro Hernández de Aguilera, owner of the hacienda de Xanamuato, Michoacán, Nueva España, and doña Beatriz de Orozco Tovar, a native of the Villa de Vélez, Spain.> > Doña Beatriz de Orozco Tovar was a daughter of don Diego de Orozco Tovar and doñ Ana Mexía who were married at the Villa de Vélez, Spain. Don Diego had two brothers that had came to the New World: 1) Capitán don Juan de Villaseñor y Orozco, a conquistador of Nueva España and a founder of Valladolid in Michoacán who was married with doña Catalina Cervantes de Lara, and 2) Fransico de Orozco Tovar, a conquistador of Oaxaca.> > These brothers were the sons of don Diego de Villaseñor y Orozco, aka don Diego de Burgos Villaseñor, Alcalde de la Fortaleza de Vélez, and doña Guiomar de Orozco. Doña Guiomar was a daughter of don Diego de Orozco, Comendadro de Pozo Rubio en la Orden de Santiago, and doña Guiomar de Sandoval (a daughter of don Pedro de Sandoval and doña Catalina Fernández).> > Don Diego de Villaseñor y Orozco was a son of don Diego de Villaseñor Tovar ("El de Burgos") and doña Isabel Alfonso de Villaseñor, native of the pueblo de San Miguel Esteban. Don Diego ("El de Burgos") was a son of don Juan de Villaseñor y Serones (Comendador en la Orden de Santiago and Alcalde de la Fortaleza de Zaragoza) and doña Elvira Tovar y Enriquez. José Ignacio Dávila Garibi noted that doña Elvira was a close relative of the Marqueses de Berlanga and the Duques de Frías. Research into the Tovar family of Berlanga has not been able to verify this connection, although the possibility is quite strong.> Researchers: Ophelia Márquez, Tony Campos, Jiame Holcombe, Mariano González Leal, and José Ignacio Dávila Garibi.> Sources: Ophelia Márquez, "La Familia Vasquez de Lara de Nuevo Mexico con Origen en Nueva Galicia y Michoacan," in Somos Primos (Newsletter of the Society of Hispanic Historical and Ancestral Research/SHHAR), March and April 1992; Marianao González Leal, Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia, Universidad de Guanajuato, 1983, Vol II: 66-67; Tony Campos and Ophelia Márquez, "Zamora, Michoacán, México, Marriages 1605-1622, 1638-1646," in Genealogical Journal: Society of Hispanic Historical and Ancestral Research, Vol. II, 1995:124; Tony Campos and Ophelia Márquez, "Zamora, Michoacán, México, Baptisma (1605-1637) and Extensive Family Genealogies of Zamora and Surrounding Areas," in Genealogical Journal: Society of Hispanic Historical and Ancestral Research, Vol. III, 1996:71-150.> _________________________________________________________________> News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. 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Hello, Again!
I've been w/o my laptop for 2 weeks and am finding that you are using names that get me very excited! My great grandmother on my Dad's father's side was Maria Andrea ALCALA, but I can only find this name on my great-grandfather's baptismal certificate(?). My Dad's family came from Tamaulipas, but I can't find an Alcala anywhere at all in Tamps,.... maybe cause she wasn't from there! I've been unable to find any info on my Dad's side beyond the great-grandparents, so you've given me hope that there may be more info on Alcala in the Jalisco area! I'm happy, THANKS!!!
Ronald Reynoso chilerey@msn.com wrote:
Hola Primo, I need to compare notes and correct some ,tell me if I'm wrong .
Juana Alcala (married to Miguel Vasquez de Lara in 1659):
Parents-Lucas or Juan lucas Alcala y Rojas Or Orosco and Juana Mendoza y Garibay(married in 1620)
I have no knowledge of Juan Lucas Alcala Parents.
Parents of Juana Mendoza Mendoza y Garibay:-Julio or Juan de La Mora y Mendoza and Francisca Garibay.
I need correction and trying to fit what you mentioned below.
Also how does the jewish line fit in ?
Ronnie> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> From: mormonboy74@hotmail.com> Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 15:28:12 -0700> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] I think I made a Connection> > > I think I made another royal connection for you Ornelas, Vásquez de BAca (The New Mexico Lineage). After long research (Not really just abt 3 hours.) An ancestor of the Vasquez de BAca is Leonor de Orozco and an ancestor of Ornelas is Petronila de Orozco are sister as we know. They descend from ELvira Tovar y Enriquez, according to the New Mexico Genealogical Society but they said Elvira's parents are unknown but she is a close relative to the Dukes of Frias and Marquesses of Berlanaga. I found a Couple in the same time peiord that of Juan Tovar, Lord of Berlanga and Constanza Enriquez. If these are Elvira's parents, not only would she be a cousin to the Dukes of Frias but this would also answer a long question that the society has had. Im pretty positive that these are her parents but no proof.
She also has Jewish ancestry back to King David! -Any suggestons? -Daniel Méndez del Camino> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
I have submitted a small file with some Alcala in it. Please check and see if you can access it
> Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 14:56:02 -0700> From: igarcia628@yahoo.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] I think I made a Connection-Orosco> > Hello, Again!> I've been w/o my laptop for 2 weeks and am finding that you are using names that get me very excited! My great grandmother on my Dad's father's side was Maria Andrea ALCALA, but I can only find this name on my great-grandfather's baptismal certificate(?). My Dad's family came from Tamaulipas, but I can't find an Alcala anywhere at all in Tamps,.... maybe cause she wasn't from there! I've been unable to find any info on my Dad's side beyond the great-grandparents, so you've given me hope that there may be more info on Alcala in the Jalisco area! I'm happy, THANKS!!!> > Ronald Reynoso chilerey@msn.com wrote: > > Hola Primo, I need to compare notes and correct some ,tell me if I'm wrong .> Juana Alcala (married to Miguel Vasquez de Lara in 1659):> Parents-Lucas or Juan lucas Alcala y Rojas Or Orosco and Juana Mendoza y Garibay(married in 1620)> I have no knowledge of Juan Lucas Alcala Parents.> Parents of Juana Mendoza Mendoza y Garibay:-Julio or Juan de La Mora y Mendoza and Francisca Garibay.> I need correction and trying to fit what you mentioned below.> Also how does the jewish line fit in ?> Ronnie> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> From: mormonboy74@hotmail.com> Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 15:28:12 -0700> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] I think I made a Connection> > > I think I made another royal connection for you Ornelas, Vásquez de BAca (The New Mexico Lineage). After long research (Not really just abt 3 hours.) An ancestor of the Vasquez de BAca is Leonor de Orozco and an ancestor of Ornelas is Petronila de Orozco are sister as we know. They descend from ELvira Tovar y Enriquez, according to the New Mexico Genealogical Society but they said Elvira's parents are unknown but she is a close relative to the Dukes of Frias and Marquesses of Berlanaga. I found a Couple in the same time peiord that of Juan Tovar, Lord of Berlanga and Constanza Enriquez. If these are Elvira's parents, not only would she be a cousin to the Dukes of Frias but this would also answer a long question that the society has had. Im pretty positive that these are her parents but no proof.> She also has Jewish ancestry back to King David! -Any suggestons? -Daniel Méndez del Camino> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> > > > XOXMOMXOX Nena> > > > __________________________________________________> Do You Yahoo!?> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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Hello,
My name is Adela Nuanes and my maiden name is Tovar. I've been waiting for
my surname to come up in these discussions and I was hoping you might have
some more information on the Tovar family. The Tovar's are from my father's
side of the family and are originally from Tepechitlan, Zacatecas. Any
information is gratefuly welcome.
Thank you,
Adela
----- Original Message -----
From: "mormonboy74"
To:
Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 3:28 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] I think I made a Connection
>
> I think I made another royal connection for you Ornelas, Vásquez de BAca
> (The New Mexico Lineage). After long research (Not really just abt 3
> hours.) An ancestor of the Vasquez de BAca is Leonor de Orozco and an
> ancestor of Ornelas is Petronila de Orozco are sister as we know. They
> descend from ELvira Tovar y Enriquez, according to the New Mexico
> Genealogical Society but they said Elvira's parents are unknown but she is
> a close relative to the Dukes of Frias and Marquesses of Berlanaga. I
> found a Couple in the same time peiord that of Juan Tovar, Lord of
> Berlanga and Constanza Enriquez. If these are Elvira's parents, not only
> would she be a cousin to the Dukes of Frias but this would also answer a
> long question that the society has had. Im pretty positive that these are
> her parents but no proof. She also has Jewish ancestry back to King
> David! -Any suggestons? -Daniel Méndez del Camino
Hello Adela, I have Tovar lineage also but they are from District of Jerez, Zacatecas Mexico and go back to Ancelmo Tovar abt 1766 and wife Maria Petra Carrillo abt 1771. Thier granddaughter Ricarda Tovar, 1826 was my direct ancestor. I have not been able to go any farther back since there are not any records to research that I know of.
Like you I am curious about the Tovar name. I have just submitted my records again to Rootsweb.com and you may want to check the Tovar surnames in my records from the District of Jerez Zacatecas Mexico. Just put in Ancelmo and you can go to the index to see what I have submitted.
good luck in your search,
Linda Castanon-Long in Everett
Adela Nuanes wrote:
Hello,
My name is Adela Nuanes and my maiden name is Tovar. I've been waiting for
my surname to come up in these discussions and I was hoping you might have
some more information on the Tovar family. The Tovar's are from my father's
side of the family and are originally from Tepechitlan, Zacatecas. Any
information is gratefuly welcome.
Thank you,
Adela
----- Original Message -----
From: "mormonboy74"
To:
Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 3:28 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] I think I made a Connection
>
> I think I made another royal connection for you Ornelas, Vásquez de BAca
> (The New Mexico Lineage). After long research (Not really just abt 3
> hours.) An ancestor of the Vasquez de BAca is Leonor de Orozco and an
> ancestor of Ornelas is Petronila de Orozco are sister as we know. They
> descend from ELvira Tovar y Enriquez, according to the New Mexico
> Genealogical Society but they said Elvira's parents are unknown but she is
> a close relative to the Dukes of Frias and Marquesses of Berlanaga. I
> found a Couple in the same time peiord that of Juan Tovar, Lord of
> Berlanga and Constanza Enriquez. If these are Elvira's parents, not only
> would she be a cousin to the Dukes of Frias but this would also answer a
> long question that the society has had. Im pretty positive that these are
> her parents but no proof. She also has Jewish ancestry back to King
> David! -Any suggestons? -Daniel Méndez del Camino
My great-grandfather's first wife was an Eleuteria Tov/bar--daughter of
Mauricio Tov/bar and Petra Sandov/bal--born in 1849. I think she was
born in Jerez. Her siblings were born in Tepetongo (or the other close
town that starts with a "T"). Eleuteria and C/Zenobio were married in
1864 in Jerez and had about 4 or 5 children. She died and a couple of
years later he married my great-grandmother. All the surnames and
Cenobio's first name are spelt both ways in official documentation.
Remember that fact and you'll spare yourself some heartburn.:) Marge:)
On Mar 30, 2008, at 6:51 PM, Erlinda Castanon-Long wrote:
> Hello Adela, I have Tovar lineage also but they are from District of
> Jerez, Zacatecas Mexico and go back to Ancelmo Tovar abt 1766 and wife
> Maria Petra Carrillo abt 1771. Thier granddaughter Ricarda Tovar,
> 1826 was my direct ancestor. I have not been able to go any farther
> back since there are not any records to research that I know of.
> Like you I am curious about the Tovar name. I have just submitted
> my records again to Rootsweb.com and you may want to check the Tovar
> surnames in my records from the District of Jerez Zacatecas Mexico.
> Just put in Ancelmo and you can go to the index to see what I have
> submitted.
> good luck in your search,
> Linda Castanon-Long in Everett
>
>
> Adela Nuanes wrote:
> Hello,
>
> My name is Adela Nuanes and my maiden name is Tovar. I've been waiting
> for
> my surname to come up in these discussions and I was hoping you might
> have
> some more information on the Tovar family. The Tovar's are from my
> father's
> side of the family and are originally from Tepechitlan, Zacatecas. Any
> information is gratefuly welcome.
>
> Thank you,
> Adela
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "mormonboy74"
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 3:28 PM
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] I think I made a Connection
>
>
>>
>> I think I made another royal connection for you Ornelas, Vásquez de
>> BAca
>> (The New Mexico Lineage). After long research (Not really just abt 3
>> hours.) An ancestor of the Vasquez de BAca is Leonor de Orozco and an
>> ancestor of Ornelas is Petronila de Orozco are sister as we know. They
>> descend from ELvira Tovar y Enriquez, according to the New Mexico
>> Genealogical Society but they said Elvira's parents are unknown but
>> she is
>> a close relative to the Dukes of Frias and Marquesses of Berlanaga. I
>> found a Couple in the same time peiord that of Juan Tovar, Lord of
>> Berlanga and Constanza Enriquez. If these are Elvira's parents, not
>> only
>> would she be a cousin to the Dukes of Frias but this would also
>> answer a
>> long question that the society has had. Im pretty positive that these
>> are
>> her parents but no proof. She also has Jewish ancestry back to King
>> David! -Any suggestons? -Daniel Méndez del Camino
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Is anyone familiar with these surnames?
DE LA PEDROSA
DíAZ-CASTELLANO
ÁLVAREZ DE LA CRUZ
LOMELíN
i HAVE 3 ÁLVAREZ DE LA CRUZ AND ABOUT 4 DE LA CRUZ
MY RESEARCH IS LEADING ME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT
Hi, Manuel.
I'm Irene Garcia(-Sandoval) and I have a LOMELIN ancestor on my Mom's side. She was:
Petra (and/or) Feliciana DE LOMELIN, married to Pedro Sandoval and mother of
-Buenaventura SANDOVAL, father of
-Hilario SANDOVAL, father of
-Maria Isaac SANDOVAL, my Gandmother on my Mom's side.
Most of my ancestors on my Mom's side seem to be concentrated around Teocaltiche, with the (Rancho?) of Ostotan being their primary place of residence. Again, SANDOVAL/SANDOBAL is the predominant name; some marriage certificates indicate that no immediate family relationships were discovered, but who knows?
I hope I was able to get my message across, my geneology language is even more limited than my Tex-Mex Spanish! Hope to hear from you or any others w/info related to this line. Gracias.
mormonboy74 wrote:
Is anyone familiar with these surnames?
DE LA PEDROSA
DíAZ-CASTELLANO
ÁLVAREZ DE LA CRUZ
LOMELíN
i HAVE 3 ÁLVAREZ DE LA CRUZ AND ABOUT 4 DE LA CRUZ
MY RESEARCH IS LEADING ME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT
THESE TWO FAMILIES ARE RELATED. SOME JUST ÁLVAREZ
OR CRUZ. DíAZ-CASTELLANO IS THE INTERESTING ONE I HAD NEVER
SEEN IT BEFORE. ANY HELP OR COMMENTS? GRACIAS! -dANIEL MDC
Hola Irene,My name is Ronnie Reynoso,I too have several Lomeli,Lomellini.and Lomelin ancestors,which are the sames tree. Starting with Carlos Lomellini and wife Maria Benavides married in 1609 Nochistitlan. Are you of the same branch ? If I was betting man ,odds are almost certain.
Ronnie Reynoso> Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 13:52:47 -0700> From: igarcia628@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Alteño Surnames> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> > Hi, Manuel.> I'm Irene Garcia(-Sandoval) and I have a LOMELIN ancestor on my Mom's side. She was:> Petra (and/or) Feliciana DE LOMELIN, married to Pedro Sandoval and mother of> -Buenaventura SANDOVAL, father of> -Hilario SANDOVAL, father of> -Maria Isaac SANDOVAL, my Gandmother on my Mom's side.> Most of my ancestors on my Mom's side seem to be concentrated around Teocaltiche, with the (Rancho?) of Ostotan being their primary place of residence. Again, SANDOVAL/SANDOBAL is the predominant name; some marriage certificates indicate that no immediate family relationships were discovered, but who knows?> > I hope I was able to get my message across, my geneology language is even more limited than my Tex-Mex Spanish! Hope to hear from you or any others w/info related to this line. Gracias.> mormonboy74 wrote:> > Is anyone familiar with these surnames?> > DE LA PEDROSA> DíAZ-CASTELLANO> ÁLVAREZ DE LA CRUZ> LOMELíN> > i HAVE 3 ÁLVAREZ DE LA CRUZ AND ABOUT 4 DE LA CRUZ > MY RESEARCH IS LEADING ME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT> THESE TWO FAMILIES ARE RELATED. SOME JUST ÁLVAREZ> OR CRUZ. DíAZ-CASTELLANO IS THE INTERESTING ONE I HAD NEVER> SEEN IT BEFORE. ANY HELP OR COMMENTS? GRACIAS! -dANIEL MDC> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> > > XOXMOMXOX Nena> > > > __________________________________________________> Do You Yahoo!?> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
Hi Ronnie.
I have Petra/Feliciana de Lomelin married to Pedro de Sandoval in 1814, her parents apparently were Pedro Lomelin and Feliciana Rodrigues; and not too sure on this one, but I show Maria de Jesus Benabides married to Jose Manuel Yanes around 1800...
...Are we getting closer?
Ronald Reynoso wrote:
Hola Irene,My name is Ronnie Reynoso,I too have several Lomeli,Lomellini.and Lomelin ancestors,which are the sames tree. Starting with Carlos Lomellini and wife Maria Benavides married in 1609 Nochistitlan. Are you of the same branch ? If I was betting man ,odds are almost certain.
Ronnie Reynoso> Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 13:52:47 -0700> From: igarcia628@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Alteño Surnames> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> > Hi, Manuel.> I'm Irene Garcia(-Sandoval) and I have a LOMELIN ancestor on my Mom's side. She was:> Petra (and/or) Feliciana DE LOMELIN, married to Pedro Sandoval and mother of> -Buenaventura SANDOVAL, father of> -Hilario SANDOVAL, father of> -Maria Isaac SANDOVAL, my Gandmother on my Mom's side.> Most of my ancestors on my Mom's side seem to be concentrated around Teocaltiche, with the (Rancho?) of Ostotan being their primary place of residence. Again, SANDOVAL/SANDOBAL is the predominant name; some marriage certificates indicate that no immediate family relationships were discovered, but who knows?> > I hope I was able to get my message across, my geneology language is even more limited than my Tex-Mex Spanish! Hope to hear from you or any others w/info related to this line. Gracias.> mormonboy74 wrote:> >
Is anyone familiar with these surnames?> > DE LA PEDROSA> DíAZ-CASTELLANO> ÁLVAREZ DE LA CRUZ> LOMELíN> > i HAVE 3 ÁLVAREZ DE LA CRUZ AND ABOUT 4 DE LA CRUZ > MY RESEARCH IS LEADING ME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT> THESE TWO FAMILIES ARE RELATED. SOME JUST ÁLVAREZ> OR CRUZ. DíAZ-CASTELLANO IS THE INTERESTING ONE I HAD NEVER> SEEN IT BEFORE. ANY HELP OR COMMENTS? GRACIAS! -dANIEL MDC> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> > > XOXMOMXOX Nena> > > > __________________________________________________> Do You Yahoo!?> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:>
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Hola Primo ,I have alot of Lomellini,Lomelin and Lomeli and they all are the same . Carlos Lomellini was from Genoa,Italy and married Maria Benavides en Nochistlan,en 1609.Both of these are my ancestors about a dozen times.
Eonnie Reynoso pariente acasi todos de Los Altos
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> From: mormonboy74@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 23:03:36 -0700> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Alteño Surnames> > > Is anyone familiar with these surnames?> > DE LA PEDROSA> DíAZ-CASTELLANO> ÁLVAREZ DE LA CRUZ> LOMELíN> > i HAVE 3 ÁLVAREZ DE LA CRUZ AND ABOUT 4 DE LA CRUZ > MY RESEARCH IS LEADING ME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT> THESE TWO FAMILIES ARE RELATED. SOME JUST ÁLVAREZ> OR CRUZ. DíAZ-CASTELLANO IS THE INTERESTING ONE I HAD NEVER> SEEN IT BEFORE. ANY HELP OR COMMENTS? GRACIAS! -dANIEL MDC> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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From: Ronald Reynoso
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 9:32:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Alteño Surnames
Hola Primo ,I have alot of Lomellini,Lomelin and Lomeli and they all are the same . Carlos Lomellini was from Genoa,Italy and married Maria Benavides en Nochistlan,en 1609.
I know this is not about Lomelin but about Benavides. One of the presenters at the Conference in Saltillo was Benavides......he spoke in great detail about his family's history in Northern Mexico, he proceeded to tell us that this surname's origins are Arabic from Medieval times, see below, so not only does this marriage have Italian origins but Arabic/Spanish origins.
Don't you just love it........we are all mutts!!
Last NameBenavidesSpanish: patronymic from the common medieval personal name Ben
Avid, of Arabic origin, from ibn ?Abd son of the servant(of God) see Benavidez.
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My language instructor said that Benavides was originally Jewish, from Ben-David; then the Spanish "ez" appeared when the name carrier came to Spain during the period of moorish control of Spain before Jews were ordered out of Spain in 1492.
Jan
Alicia Carrillo wrote:
----- Original Message ----
From: Ronald Reynoso
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 9:32:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Alteño Surnames
Hola Primo ,I have alot of Lomellini,Lomelin and Lomeli and they all are the same . Carlos Lomellini was from Genoa,Italy and married Maria Benavides en Nochistlan,en 1609.
I know this is not about Lomelin but about Benavides. One of the presenters at the Conference in Saltillo was Benavides......he spoke in great detail about his family's history in Northern Mexico, he proceeded to tell us that this surname's origins are Arabic from Medieval times, see below, so not only does this marriage have Italian origins but Arabic/Spanish origins.
Don't you just love it........we are all mutts!!
Last NameBenavidesSpanish: patronymic from the common medieval personal name Ben
Avid, of Arabic origin, from ibn ?Abd son of the servant(of God) see Benavidez.
I have done some research on the Lomelin surname. I'll help if I can.
David in Albany, CA
-----Original Message-----
>From: mormonboy74
>Sent: Mar 30, 2008 2:03 AM
>To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Alteño Surnames
>
>
>Is anyone familiar with these surnames?
>
>DE LA PEDROSA
>DíAZ-CASTELLANO
>ÁLVAREZ DE LA CRUZ
>LOMELíN
>
>i HAVE 3 ÁLVAREZ DE LA CRUZ AND ABOUT 4 DE LA CRUZ
>MY RESEARCH IS LEADING ME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT
>THESE TWO FAMILIES ARE RELATED. SOME JUST ÁLVAREZ
>OR CRUZ. DíAZ-CASTELLANO IS THE INTERESTING ONE I HAD NEVER
>SEEN IT BEFORE. ANY HELP OR COMMENTS? GRACIAS! -dANIEL MDC
Just wanted to let everyone know that this website is REALLY FUN and helpful. They have a wealth of information. You can even view the actual images and PRINT at no charge! From the passport of our Lope Ruiz de Esparza to my Juan Perez del Camino who was made to the office of the Real Audencia de Guadalajara on June 6, 1605 in Guadalajara. Im sure ill find much more. Im going to search on the founding families of Aguascalientes a bit more. Let me know if you have any other questions.
Hi,
Read with interest about the website with lots of information, including passports.Can anyone get into it? And what is it exactly>
Thanks!!!!
Juanita
mormonboy74 wrote:
Just wanted to let everyone know that this website is REALLY FUN and helpful. They have a wealth of information. You can even view the actual images and PRINT at no charge! From the passport of our Lope Ruiz de Esparza to my Juan Perez del Camino who was made to the office of the Real Audencia de Guadalajara on June 6, 1605 in Guadalajara. Im sure ill find much more. Im going to search on the founding families of Aguascalientes a bit more. Let me know if you have any other questions.
-Daniel Mendez del Camino
The website that Daniel is speaking of is Portal de Archivos Espanoles (PARES) and the link appears in the link section of Nuestros Ranchos. There is no password necessary.
I think that the documents that Daniel speaks of are not so much passports as the licensias para pasar a Indias, or permits to travel to the Indies, which were necessary to keep Jews, Muslims, Catalans, etc. out of the colonies. There is also an electronic version of Catalogo de Pasajeros, which is an index of all of the names on the passenger lists and licenses.
Arturo,
You and Emile have been gracious enough to give me great information. Thanks!
I would appreciate it if someone can help me find information on the surname TOBIAS.
I know extremely little about the name other than MARIA INOCENCIA TOBIAS , born around 1850, Mexico or Texas?? She married ANTONIO CAVAZOS CAVAZOS in Cameron County, Texas, in 1877. I am looking for her parents'names. All I know is that she was Spanish, and she does look Spanish in her picture. Thanks!!!
Juanita
arturoramos wrote:
The website that Daniel is speaking of is Portal de Archivos Espanoles (PARES) and the link appears in the link section of Nuestros Ranchos. There is no password necessary.
I think that the documents that Daniel speaks of are not so much passports as the licensias para pasar a Indias, or permits to travel to the Indies, which were necessary to keep Jews, Muslims, Catalans, etc. out of the colonies. There is also an electronic version of Catalogo de Pasajeros, which is an index of all of the names on the passenger lists and licenses.
Juanita:
When you say that Maria Inocencia Tobias was "Spanish", I assume you mean that her caste designation was "Spanish"? As you probably know the Spanish kept a caste system in their colonies based on race (initially) and as time went on, based on racial "quality", i.e. meaning if someone adopted Spanish customs they might be considered Spanish even if they were genetically indigenous.
"Espanola" was simply a caste, just like "Indio" or "Mulato".
The surname Tobias appears to be centered around San Luis Potosi in the mid-1800s. The marriage document of Maria Inocencia Tobias and Antonio Cavazos should list her parents and likely her place of birth. Have you seen that marriage document?
Arturo,
Thank you for your reply.
I have Inocencia and Antonio's marriage certificate, but it certainly does not give parents'
names. It gives the padrinos' names. So unfortunate, especially since I have not been able
to locate her death certificate, which would certainly give that information.
I checked with Cameron County, Texas, because she supposedly died outside the city of Brownsville, in La Tina Ranch in Cameron County, but there is no record there. That is where I got their wedding certificate. I then checked with the city records and found nothing.I have tried Familysearch, but no luck. The LDS center near here has records of Texas deaths, so the first opportunity I get I will check there.
Incidently, I have not run into marriage certificates(not in Texas) that lists parents' names.
I also did not find any Tobias in my searches. I had heard that she was born in Texas, but she might have been born in Mexico.
Thank you again,
Juanita
arturoramos wrote:
Juanita:
When you say that Maria Inocencia Tobias was "Spanish", I assume you mean that her caste designation was "Spanish"? As you probably know the Spanish kept a caste system in their colonies based on race (initially) and as time went on, based on racial "quality", i.e. meaning if someone adopted Spanish customs they might be considered Spanish even if they were genetically indigenous.
"Espanola" was simply a caste, just like "Indio" or "Mulato".
The surname Tobias appears to be centered around San Luis Potosi in the mid-1800s. The marriage document of Maria Inocencia Tobias and Antonio Cavazos should list her parents and likely her place of birth. Have you seen that marriage document?
Hi! Have you tried confirmation records?
Hope it helps.
juanita delgado escribió:
Arturo,
Thank you for your reply.
I have Inocencia and Antonio's marriage certificate, but it certainly does not give parents'
names. It gives the padrinos' names. So unfortunate, especially since I have not been able
to locate her death certificate, which would certainly give that information.
I checked with Cameron County, Texas, because she supposedly died outside the city of Brownsville, in La Tina Ranch in Cameron County, but there is no record there. That is where I got their wedding certificate. I then checked with the city records and found nothing.I have tried Familysearch, but no luck. The LDS center near here has records of Texas deaths, so the first opportunity I get I will check there.
Incidently, I have not run into marriage certificates(not in Texas) that lists parents' names.
I also did not find any Tobias in my searches. I had heard that she was born in Texas, but she might have been born in Mexico.
Thank you again,
Juanita
arturoramos wrote:
Juanita:
When you say that Maria Inocencia Tobias was "Spanish", I assume you mean that her caste designation was "Spanish"? As you probably know the Spanish kept a caste system in their colonies based on race (initially) and as time went on, based on racial "quality", i.e. meaning if someone adopted Spanish customs they might be considered Spanish even if they were genetically indigenous.
"Espanola" was simply a caste, just like "Indio" or "Mulato".
The surname Tobias appears to be centered around San Luis Potosi in the mid-1800s. The marriage document of Maria Inocencia Tobias and Antonio Cavazos should list her parents and likely her place of birth. Have you seen that marriage document?
Juanita,
Try and see if you can find other surnames she may have used. She may have been born under another surname, perhaps her mother's surname, or the Tobias may have been just part of her name.
Emilie
----- Original Message -----
From: Leticia Leon
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 8:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Maria Inocencia Tobias
Hi! Have you tried confirmation records?
Hope it helps.
juanita delgado > escribió:
Arturo,
Thank you for your reply.
I have Inocencia and Antonio's marriage certificate, but it certainly does not give parents'
names. It gives the padrinos' names. So unfortunate, especially since I have not been able
to locate her death certificate, which would certainly give that information.
I checked with Cameron County, Texas, because she supposedly died outside the city of Brownsville, in La Tina Ranch in Cameron County, but there is no record there. That is where I got their wedding certificate. I then checked with the city records and found nothing.I have tried Familysearch, but no luck. The LDS center near here has records of Texas deaths, so the first opportunity I get I will check there.
Incidently, I have not run into marriage certificates(not in Texas) that lists parents' names.
I also did not find any Tobias in my searches. I had heard that she was born in Texas, but she might have been born in Mexico.
Thank you again,
Juanita
arturoramos wrote:
Juanita:
When you say that Maria Inocencia Tobias was "Spanish", I assume you mean that her caste designation was "Spanish"? As you probably know the Spanish kept a caste system in their colonies based on race (initially) and as time went on, based on racial "quality", i.e. meaning if someone adopted Spanish customs they might be considered Spanish even if they were genetically indigenous.
"Espanola" was simply a caste, just like "Indio" or "Mulato".
The surname Tobias appears to be centered around San Luis Potosi in the mid-1800s. The marriage document of Maria Inocencia Tobias and Antonio Cavazos should list her parents and likely her place of birth. Have you seen that marriage document?
Leticia,
Thanks for the tip. I will try the church!
Juanita
Leticia Leon wrote:
Hi! Have you tried confirmation records?
Hope it helps.
juanita delgado escribió:
Arturo,
Thank you for your reply.
I have Inocencia and Antonio's marriage certificate, but it certainly does not give parents'
names. It gives the padrinos' names. So unfortunate, especially since I have not been able
to locate her death certificate, which would certainly give that information.
I checked with Cameron County, Texas, because she supposedly died outside the city of Brownsville, in La Tina Ranch in Cameron County, but there is no record there. That is where I got their wedding certificate. I then checked with the city records and found nothing.I have tried Familysearch, but no luck. The LDS center near here has records of Texas deaths, so the first opportunity I get I will check there.
Incidently, I have not run into marriage certificates(not in Texas) that lists parents' names.
I also did not find any Tobias in my searches. I had heard that she was born in Texas, but she might have been born in Mexico.
Thank you again,
Juanita
arturoramos wrote:
Juanita:
When you say that Maria Inocencia Tobias was "Spanish", I assume you mean that her caste designation was "Spanish"? As you probably know the Spanish kept a caste system in their colonies based on race (initially) and as time went on, based on racial "quality", i.e. meaning if someone adopted Spanish customs they might be considered Spanish even if they were genetically indigenous.
"Espanola" was simply a caste, just like "Indio" or "Mulato".
The surname Tobias appears to be centered around San Luis Potosi in the mid-1800s. The marriage document of Maria Inocencia Tobias and Antonio Cavazos should list her parents and likely her place of birth. Have you seen that marriage document?
Hello Arturo,
This was posted a while back. Anyway, you mention an electronic version of Catalago de Pasajeros. Is this also on Nuestros Ranchos?
Thanks,
Juanita Delgado
arturoramos wrote:
The website that Daniel is speaking of is Portal de Archivos Espanoles (PARES) and the link appears in the link section of Nuestros Ranchos. There is no password necessary.
I think that the documents that Daniel speaks of are not so much passports as the licensias para pasar a Indias, or permits to travel to the Indies, which were necessary to keep Jews, Muslims, Catalans, etc. out of the colonies. There is also an electronic version of Catalogo de Pasajeros, which is an index of all of the names on the passenger lists and licenses.
Hi, Can you please send me the actual web site as I cannot get into it and would love to see the passport of Lope Ruiz de Esparza ...thanks, Phyls
----- Original Message -----
From: "mormonboy74"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 3:30 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Archivos Espanoles-Ministerio de Cultura
>
> Just wanted to let everyone know that this website is REALLY FUN and helpful. They have a wealth of information. You can even view the actual images and PRINT at no charge! From the passport of our Lope Ruiz de Esparza to my Juan Perez del Camino who was made to the office of the Real Audencia de Guadalajara on June 6, 1605 in Guadalajara. Im sure ill find much more. Im going to search on the founding families of Aguascalientes a bit more. Let me know if you have any other questions.
> -Daniel Mendez del Camino
Even though I absolutely love Helyn's website:
I couldn't find the one place I've been searching for: Rancho del Salto de Los Romeros. I think this Rancho is no longer in existence and I can't seem to find historical maps that have it either. I guess it isn't critical that I find it other than I just would. The below scans from the 1855 census has it 4 Leguas from Santa Maria and sandwiched between Rancho de las Precitas (3 Leguas) and Rancho de los Sauces. I can find El Sauz which is probably the Los Sauces but I can't find my Rancho del Salto de Los Romeros. I found some information about Leguas below but don't know what else to do. Anyone have any thoughts about finding a historical town about 14 miles from Santa Maria de Los Angeles in Jalisco?
I'm doing a bit of fishing and was wondering if someone has this film
if you would mind doing a look up for me?
joseph
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Joseph Puentes
http://h2opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
Hello everyone my name is Lona Rivera, I am new to Nuestros Ranchos, but not to genealogy.
I am beginning research on my mother's Perez line. I know that my great grandfather was Magdaleno Perez born about 1886 at Hacienda de Cedros, Zacatecas.
Hello Ronnie and Irene,
My husband's maternal great-grandmother Maria Aniseta Losano Aguirre bapt 20 April 1829 Nochistlan was married to a Domingo Lomelin on 27 Nov 1857 (IGI M606263 Nochistlan). This couple were the parents of Agustin Aguirre Lomeli (IGI J606246 Nochistlan).
I am Irene (Nena) Garcia-Sandoval and I want to take this opportunity to introduce myself to what appears to be quite a lively and active geneological group with names that belong to me too!
I was born and raised in Texas, and did some geneology research about 10 years ago, but I have forgotten what little I learned and will have to go through the learning process again. I'm really happy to see how much more information there is out there now and am excited about getting back to it.
In my researching through baptism records, in those from the early eighteen
hundreds, 1807-1818, which I have thus far found, I have come across an
abbreviated term, possibly Latin and always underlined. I am unable to
I believe you are referring to the latin Catholic church use of " V.T." which means "Vetus Testamentum" When joined with "supra", the connotation would then become " the testimony given above." "Vt. Supra" would mean the aforementioned testimony. The use of this old Latin abbreviation was fairly well confined to church documents. The priest using it was probably well versed in Cannon law of the 16 century. By the way, I am researching the Cano's of Arandas and Ayotlan; If you know anyone also researching this name in this area please contact me. Thank you, Luis Cano
Corrine Ardoin wrote: In my researching through baptism records, in those from the early eighteen
hundreds, 1807-1818, which I have thus far found, I have come across an
abbreviated term, possibly Latin and always underlined. I am unable to
decipher the meaning of it. I was wondering if anyone knew of its meaning.
It reads: "Vt. Supra." It is placed at the very end of each record,
following the standard "para que conste lo firme: Vt. Supra."
Thank-you!
Corrine Ardoin
Santa Maria, California
Dear Corrine:
The words Vt. Supra. is a latin abreviation for "Ut supra dixit", that means,
"Como dije arriba" or "Like i Said before" something like that.
Im gonna have to write in spanish.
El uso de estas palabras es muy comun en el lenguaje español, sobre todo en el
ambito documental público. En los escritos eclecisaticos, pero también en los
de las autoridades civiles es común encontrar frases como: "los abajo
firmantes" con la cual se pretendía establecer el inicio de una declaración que
después se validaba con la firma, misma que también establecía el final del
documento, protegiendolo de posteriores alteraciones. "Esto es cuanto" también
se utilizaba para concluir documentos, etc.
Mensaje citado por Corrine Ardoin :
> In my researching through baptism records, in those from the early eighteen
> hundreds, 1807-1818, which I have thus far found, I have come across an
> abbreviated term, possibly Latin and always underlined. I am unable to
> decipher the meaning of it. I was wondering if anyone knew of its meaning.
> It reads: "Vt. Supra." It is placed at the very end of each record,
> following the standard "para que conste lo firme: Vt. Supra."
>
> Thank-you!
> Corrine Ardoin
> Santa Maria, California
Corrine,
Ut Supra is Latin for "as stated above" or "as per the foregoing". This expression is used frequently in all types of documents. It confirms that the person affixes his or her signature in accordance with the preceding paragraphs.
My Larousse Dictionary defines it as follows:
Ut Supra.....fórmula que se emplea con frecuencia en los documentos para remitir a lo que antecede. También se dice Vide Supra. Las locuciones ut retro y ut infra tienen análogo empleo.
Take care, Corrine.
Regards,
Bill Figueroa
I wanted to pass on publicly a major message of thanks to my good
friend, Kitty Cortez. Her work and her husband, Rich's work for the
group have been fabulous. For many many months Kitty has single handedly
Kitty
Best wishes
Mickey
In a message dated 4/6/2008 8:21:20 A.M. Central Standard Time,
makas@nc.rr.com writes:
I wanted to pass on publicly a major message of thanks to my good
friend, Kitty Cortez. Her work and her husband, Rich's work for the
group have been fabulous. For many many months Kitty has single handedly
been taking care of both the 15 and 30 day notices and due to medical
problems with her Mom she has had to discontinue this volunteer work. My
wishes and I'm sure the wishes of other NR members are for good health
to return.
Thanks again Kitty your help has been invaluable and please don't think
about this another second. The family always comes first.
thanks,
joseph
====================
Joseph Puentes
http://h2opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)
Meeting in Northern CA set for May 17th