Nuestros Ranchos Site

As part of the remake of the Nuestros Ranchos site that I would like to do over the next few months, I would like to redo the "main image" of the site to include names of places that we cover written in very old documents, i.e. parrish records or wills. I have plenty of scans from my area around Colotlan and Tlaltenango but would like to include some from Los Altos, Aguascalientes and northern Zacatecas. If anybody has any old photos of towns in these areas or scans of documents where the names of towns are written out, can you please email them to me or upload them to the Albums section?

I really appreciate it. Are there any good graphic designers out there?

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15586

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> gracias y pregunta si tienes preguntas.
>
> gracias,
>
> joseph
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> ===================
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> Joseph Puentes
>

Mauricio Navarro Villalobos

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the nuestrosranchos.org site continues because of the hard work and
dedication of its volunteers: Kitty Cortez, Alicia Carrillo, John
Gonzalez, and Enrique Legaspi. It sounds like there will be others who
are joining in to do the work as well soon.

We all know the great work that Arturo has done with the website and a
continued thanks go to him for his efforts. Muchisimas Arturo!

I just wanted to publicly thanks John Gonzalez and Enrique Legaspi for
their help in doing Translation work for me when I needed something to
be said "correctly." You all have seen that my written Spanish is
terrible and these two gentlemen have stepped up to help me greatly and
I'm counting on them to help in the future. Thank you John and thank you
Enrique.

I wanted to point out two special volunteers whose efforts are going
unnoticed by the members of the group but without their help the burden
of the workload would have destroyed my will to continue on in the group
as one of the Moderators:

1) Alicia Carrillo: Our Spam Master. She is the one that allows or
disallows Spam from getting to the group. Have you noticed how the
nuestrosranchos.org site gets no spam? Well it is sent to a special
folder where on a daily basis Alicia goes in and deletes all the spam
and hunts for the misc. message that a new member will send before they
reply to those three confirmation emails that we must all reply to
before being allowed to send messages to the lists. Anyway this job in
this day and age is very needed and time consuming. I was stressing
about it and Alicia came to the rescue and has helped greatly in
assuring that no legitimate messages get tossed out with the tons of
spam the three lists receive daily. Mucha Gracias Alicia.

2) Kitty Cortez: Our Potential New Members Screener. Whenever potential
new members apply for a new account they get sent a message saying they
need to do their own research and send in their representative genealogy
to be admitted as members of the group. After about 15 days of no
response Kitty sends them an email reminding the potential new members
that in order for their membership account to be activated they need to
send in their genealogies. Then after about 30 days Kitty sends a last
message saying that if they don't reply ASAP (deadline given) their
application for membership will be deleted. I can't believe how many new
potential members are applying every week thanks to Arturo's site design
which allows the search engines to find us. This job got really out of
hand and I was straining under the load of doing it until Kitty
volunteered to help. Thank you thank you thank you, Kitty!

I can't express how much I appreciate the efforts of Alicia, Kitty,
John, and Enrique. Having said that I don't want them to think that I'm
just assuming they will do this job forever (it would be okay with me if
they wanted to do it forever). Arturo has already made a call for new
volunteers to help with some projects he has lined up and I want other
members to keep in mind that I might need help from you in possibly
assisting Alicia and Kitty. Now they are Trojans and have not asked for
any help and I won't be interfering with their efforts but it is
possible that sometime in the future they might need a "break" or
assistance. So I want all of you to think of getting on my list of
people that I can potentially call upon if I need an "on-call" volunteer.

thanks again for everyone's interest, participation and contribution to
the group.

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

Hi Bill, I have a Pablo Vasquez on IGI who married Martina Esparsa on 18 Feb 1835 and my 4th grt grandmother should be Matiana Esparsa but then I found a child who I do recall named Petra Vasquez Esparsa on IGI born Feb 1845 in Calvillo. And I found my 3rd grt grandfather just now on IGI Leandro Vasquez was baptized on Mar 1848 in Calvillo so now I have solid proof that the Vasquez came from Calvillo. Do you think Matiana and this Martina could be the same person? I think they should of married before 1845 I was totally off. I had Leandro born on 1857 which is 9 years Off!

Hi Bill, I too believe this might be Pablo Villalobos as "Pablo Vasquez'' because it would make sense he was married a first time to Martina Esparsa on 18 Feb 1835. Hmm maybe Martina is Matiana's sister? I don't know. So far a lot of my lines seem to be leaving huanusco and coming from Calvillo which is right on the border. Thanks for all your help. I was reading about the Esparzas and it said Lope II married Francisca de Gabay Navarro y Moctezuma. Doesnt that mean Francisca maternal side comes from Emperor Monctezuma? Hope we can work together to uncover my mysteries. Are you by chance related to Lope Ruiz de Esparza?

I've found Maria de la Luz Avila Calvillo on IGI she was baptized on 11 Mar 1832 in El Sagragrio, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico!

The Lobato's were from Sombrete, Zacatacas can someone tell me where this is? And where would I find records earlier than 1690's?

Denise Lovato-Duran

My grandfather told me that our two Esparza lines came from Aguascalientes before entering Huanusco, Zacatecas. I was researching this Esparza line who the patriach is Lope Ruiz de Esparza who came to Mexico in Feb 8, 1593. There is a film named (Catalogo de Pasajeros a Indias (Vol. III - #2.633) where it states this information. I believe all Esparzas in that area came from him since there wasnt any Esparza active during the conquest that I have found. Maybe there's a connection from mine to them? Can anyone help? Thanks. -Daniel

Okay folks listen up!

One day someone is going to desperately want to search for a specific
email by using the search engine. In order for the search engine to work
to this advantage we need to give the proper names for the subjects of
the emails.

1) If you are replying to an email and are changing the subject please
change the subject accordingly. You can say something like: Census
Records - was: "Introduction"

2) Yes and lets start getting just a bit more specific about the
subject. One day we might need to look for someones introduction and
come to find 100 messages with the subject being "Introduction" why not
lets say: "Joseph Puentes: Introduction"

3) Also let's try to keep in mind what each of the three email lists are
for:

research@nuestrosranchos.org is for messages that are specifically for
research in our area: Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes.
_Messages related to genealogy but not about Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or
Aguascalientes should not go to this list. _

general@nuestrosranchos.org is for brief discussions about genealogy
_outside our area of research_ OR messages about _other topics_ that the
group might find useful including those that are related to Jalisco,
Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes. IF IF someone starts a conversation
about genealogy research related to Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or
Aguascalientes on this list then let's all try to move the conversation
as soon as possible back to research@nuestrosranchos.org

announce@nuestrosranchos.org is for announcements.

thanks for your help with this,

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

Looking for any information to huizar family name in aguascalientes. I have extensive info on Huizar family related to Pedro Huizar in eeuu. any info would be great! thank you!

Did you get an anounment from me?

Denise Lovato-Duran

Hello joseph,

I would like to take this opportunity to say thanx as well to you and to Kitty , Alicia John and Enriquie . Sometimes you forget just how much work is involved in maintaining a smooth operation , kinda like the duck theory , you see the duck on the surface of the lake gliding ever so smoothly but, what you don't see are his feet underneath paddling away .

Thank you all !
Welester

> Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 08:49:08 -0500> From: makas@nc.rr.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] The Function of the nuestrosranchos.org Group Continues Because. . .> > > > the nuestrosranchos.org site continues because of the hard work and > dedication of its volunteers: Kitty Cortez, Alicia Carrillo, John > Gonzalez, and Enrique Legaspi. It sounds like there will be others who > are joining in to do the work as well soon.> > We all know the great work that Arturo has done with the website and a > continued thanks go to him for his efforts. Muchisimas Arturo!> > I just wanted to publicly thanks John Gonzalez and Enrique Legaspi for > their help in doing Translation work for me when I needed something to > be said "correctly." You all have seen that my written Spanish is > terrible and these two gentlemen have stepped up to help me greatly and > I'm counting on them to help in the future. Thank you John and thank you > Enrique.> >
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Sr. Arturo:

Disculpe la tardanza en contestar, no se mucho inglés pero creo que si le puedo ayudar en la traducción pienso que en un 70% u 80%, usted digame que es lo que hay que hacer e inmediatamente nos ponemos a trabajar en la traducción de ese manual.

Saludos
Fernando Pérez

----- Original Message ----
From: arturoramos
To: announce@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 9:19:08 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Voluntario para Guia de Usuario

Fernando,

Gracias por la oferta de ayudar. Podrias traducir el documento de ingles a espanol si logramos escribirlo en ingles? Esa es una tarea que no requiere mucho conocimiento de computadoras en si, pero si un poco de terminos tecnicos (del internet). Creo que Victor, quien traducio lo que ya tenemos, lo hizo muy bien y leyendo lo que el hizo se pueden aprender muchos de los terminos si no los sabes.

Que te parece? Te animas?

agustin mota wrote: hello evryone i find myself stuck in my familt reasearch. can somene help? what i need is information for my mota line. i am up to 1862 with agustin mota.next would be vicente mota apr,1840 and francisca herrera husband and wife from totatiche jalisco. i am looking for guidence.the famiy reaseach facility in my area for some reason is closed. thank you for youre support. agustin

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I can lend a hand. Let me know...

Looking for some tech-savvy volunteers!

As you all know, Nuestros Ranchos is an all volunteer group. There is no cost to be a member largely because of this volunteer effort and Joseph's generosity in paying for the server space that the site rests on.

We would like to "spread the wealth" a bit with the maintenance and development of the website to make sure that it can stay up and running when one of us is not available.

The site currently runs on a content management system called Drupal and since it was built over a year ago, it is time for an upgrade. I am looking to upgrade the software of the site and the look/layout to make it easier to read and navigate.

In order to take on this task, I need a volunteer or two who is familiar with PHP and/or CSS and is willing to pitch in some of their spare time. There is no deadline for this project so it would be a help as you can basis. Please contact me if you are interested. You can do so through the personal contact form by clicking on my username below this message on the nuestrosranchos.org site.

Subject:
Navarro, DNA, Cepeda, Saucedo, Saravia
From:
victorianonavarro
Date:
Fri, 19 Jan 2007 15:15:53 -0800 (PST)

To:
research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org

Hi, I'm looking for genealogical and biographical information regarding
Victoriano Navarro, his parents Domingo Navarro & María Encarnación
Cepeda, and his grandparents José María Navarro & Fernanda Saravia and
Rafael Cepeda & Rosa Saucedo.
Victoriano Navarro was from Ocotlán, Jalisco. He and his son José
Guadalupe moved to Coahuila.
On 1835 he married Victoriana Elizondo (widow, great-grandmother of
President Madero). They had three children: Ma. Refugio, Ma. Isabel and
Raymundo.
After Victoriana died, he married her niece Ma. Manuela de la Garza and
they had six children: Ma Isabel, Victoriana, Serapia, Luís Manuel (4th
Mayor of Torreón), Beatriz and Gilberto.
He died on 1873.
Y-DNA testing indicates this Navarro lineage belongs to Haplogroup
R1b1c, which originated among the Cro-Magnon men who populated Europe
about 30 thousand years ago.
I'd appreciate any information on these families.

Hola, estoy buscando información biográfica y genealógica referente a
Victoriano Navarro, sus padres Domingo Navarro & María Encarnación
Cepeda, y sus abuelos José María Navarro & Fernanda Saravia y Rafael
Cepeda & Rosa Saucedo.
Victoriano Navarro era originario de Ocotlán, Jalisco y se mudó a
Coahuila junto con su hijo José Guadalupe.
En 1835 se casó con Victoriana Elizondo viuda de Madero (bisabuela del
Presidente Madero)y tuvieron tres hijos: Ma. Refugio, Ma. Isabel y
Raymundo.
Luego de enviudar de Victoriana, se casó con la sobrina de ésta, Ma.
Manuela de la Garza, y tuvieron seis hijos: Ma Isabel, Victoriana,
Serapia, Luís Manuel (4º Presidente Municipal de Torreón), Beatriz y
Gilberto.
Murió en 1873.
Pruebas genéticas del cromosoma Y indican que ésta rama de la familia
Navarro pertenece al haplogrupo R1b1c, mismo que se originó hace unos 30
mil años entre los hombres de Cro-Magnon que poblaron Europa hace uso 30
mil años.
Agradezco cualquier información sobre éstas familias.

Hello Juanita,

You may have asked, but I have a hard time keeping up with my e-mail. I
subscribe in digest mode and sometimes miss things, or I just don't check
for several days and forget. I'm the one who needs to apologize!

Anyway, back to your question. I purchased my book through Borderlands
Bookstore. They are based in San Antonio, TX. Phone number (210)
432-6043. I don't know which libraries have a copy and would do
interlibrary loans, but I seem to recall Joseph has done Worldcat searches
for books. Perhaps he can help us out here. I think that catalog searches
multiple libraries at once and you can see which libraries have a copy and
proceed from there.

Good luck on your research!

Maria

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>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 22:56:07 -0800 (PST)
> From: juanita delgado
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] To Juanita Delgado: Delgados in book
> "Fundadores de Nueva Galicia"
> To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org
> Message-ID: <342135.40651.qm@web54209.mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> MARIA,
>
> HAVE I ASKED YOU THIS QUESTION BEFORE, IF I HAVE, FORGIVE ME.
>
> WHERE CAN I OBTAIN A COPY OF THE BOOK "CONQUISTADORES DE NUEVA GALICIA"?
>
> DO YOU KNOW IF I Can get it on loan thru my library?
>
> THANKS11111111
>
> JUANITA G. DELGADO
>

I have been trying to research Rancho Ojo de Agua near San Miguel El Alto and Valle de Guadalupe, Jalisco. I am looking through the LDS film in the 1820-1832 births for San Miguel El Alto. A substantial amount of births are from Rancho Ojo de Agua. Well, in any event, I came across a paper that digs into the history of coffee production and other crops in Mexico, please see link below:

http://www.ic.nanzan-u.ac.jp/LATIN/1albagonzales.pdf

There are references to books used to research at the end of the paper. I thought it might be an interesting piece of history to share.

He estado tratando de investigar Rancho Ojo de Agua cerca de San Contralto de Miguel El y Valle de Guadalupe, Jalisco. Examino la película de LDS en los 1820-1832 nacimientos para San Contralto de Miguel El. Una cantidad substancial de nacimientos es de Rancho Ojo de Agua. Bien, en todo caso, yo encontré un papel que cava en la historia de la producción de café y otras cosechas en México, ve por favor la conexión abajo:

http://www.ic.nanzan-u.ac.jp/LATIN/1albagonzales.pdf

Hay las referencias a libros investigaban a fines del papel. Pensé que quizás sea un pedazo interesante de la historia para compartir.

Maureen Bejar

Hi, I’m looking for genealogical and biographical information regarding Victoriano Navarro, his parents Domingo Navarro & María Encarnación Cepeda, and his grandparents José María Navarro & Fernanda Saravia and Rafael Cepeda & Rosa Saucedo.
Victoriano Navarro was from Ocotlán, Jalisco. He and his son José Guadalupe moved to Coahuila.
On 1835 he married Victoriana Elizondo (widow, great-grandmother of President Madero). They had three children: Ma. Refugio, Ma. Isabel and Raymundo.
After Victoriana died, he married her niece Ma. Manuela de la Garza and they had six children: Ma Isabel, Victoriana, Serapia, Luís Manuel (4th Mayor of Torreón), Beatriz and Gilberto.
He died on 1873.
Y-DNA testing indicates this Navarro lineage belongs to Haplogroup R1b1c, which originated among the Cro-Magnon men who populated Europe about 30 thousand years ago.
I’d appreciate any information on these families.

Hola, estoy buscando información biográfica y genealógica referente a Victoriano Navarro, sus padres Domingo Navarro & María Encarnación Cepeda, y sus abuelos José María Navarro & Fernanda Saravia y Rafael Cepeda & Rosa Saucedo.
Victoriano Navarro era originario de Ocotlán, Jalisco y se mudó a Coahuila junto con su hijo José Guadalupe.
En 1835 se casó con Victoriana Elizondo viuda de Madero (bisabuela del Presidente Madero)y tuvieron tres hijos: Ma. Refugio, Ma. Isabel y Raymundo.
Luego de enviudar de Victoriana, se casó con la sobrina de ésta, Ma. Manuela de la Garza, y tuvieron seis hijos: Ma Isabel, Victoriana, Serapia, Luís Manuel (4º Presidente Municipal de Torreón), Beatriz y Gilberto.
Murió en 1873.
Pruebas genéticas del cromosoma Y indican que ésta rama de la familia Navarro pertenece al haplogrupo R1b1c, mismo que se originó hace unos 30 mil años entre los hombres de Cro-Magnon que poblaron Europa hace uso 30 mil años.
Agradezco cualquier información sobre éstas familias.

I have just uploaded photos from my trip to Mexico last month. I have put them in the Albums section:

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15543

There is a photo in there of the cornerstone of the first school in Totatiche, Jalisco which was opened in August of 1725 and apparently the teacher was an ancestor of mine by the name of Joseph Cayetano Grano.

There is also a photo of my father with the town historian (cronista) Estaban Valdes Salazar, to whom many of you donated money for his projects.

There are more photos (not necessarily of historical value) on my family website at:

http://www.ramosfamily.org/coppermine/thumbnails.php?album=22

I have extended my Esparza line in Zacatecas I have a Francisco Esparza (b. abt 1830) and his wife Maria Luz Avila (b. abt 1835) if anyone can help me please contact me at my email: mormonboy74@hotmail.com THanks.

>
> Hello Juanita,

Sorry for the length of time it took me to reply, but this book does not
have an index and I cannot do quick lookups. That is why I didn't make an
offer to the group and was only able to respond previously when the page
number was quoted.
Anyway, here is what I found:

Pages 6 to 7 - El Padron de Tetlan en 1541.
- DELGADILLO, Francisco. Natural del Val de Santo Domingo en Toledo. Hijo
legitimo de Pedro Cuadrado y de Maria Villaverde. Se caso con hija de
conquistador.

- DELGADO, Juan. Originario de Sevilla. Hijo legitimo de Francisco Moron y
de Maria Sanchez. Servia de Interprete. Caso y tuvo 3 hijos

Pages 132 to 133 - Familias de Tlaltenango 1626-1695.
-DELGADO FLORES, Juan, soltero, vecino del Teul, caso el 26 Marzo 1636 con
Maria de Saucedo, doncella vecina de Tlaltenango.

There may be names that I missed, because without an index, I could only
scan as best as I could without reading the book in its entirety. I hope
the above helps!

Maria

> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 08:22:15 -0800 (PST)
> From: juanita delgado
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] announce Digest, Vol 11, Issue 4
> To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org
> Message-ID: <20061218162216.17069.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> HELLO,
>
> I SEE WHERE SOMEONE HAS A BOOK "FUNDADORES de NUEVA GALICIA" I BELIEVE
> ZACATECAS IS INCLUDED IN THAT AREA. PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF THERE ARE ANY
> DELGADOS FOUND IN THAT BOOK. THEY WOULD BE FROM SAN MATIAS, PINOS,
> ZACATECAS. I GOT A LITTLE INFORMATION ON A JUAN DELGADO, BUT NOT ENOUGH. I
> AM LOOKING FOR FRANCISCO DELADO, BARTOLOME DELGADO.
>
> THANKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> JUANITA G. DELGADO
>

there seems to be some confusion both with the new members and the old
members so I am going to attempt to clear it up.

To be a life time member of the group all you have to do is submit a
representative tree _once_ (only once) and nothing else will be required
of you ever (and ever).

So I don't want you all to think I'm going to be asking for more and
more and more. Just meet the initial requirement and you're in, end of
story.

HOWEVER (however's are just like but's) however nothing says that you
all can't go wild and VOLUNTARILY upgrade and submit new files to your
folders. That is strictly on a volunteer basis.

On a related note I would ask you one favor please. If you have sent in
your genealogy and are now set for life then please wait until Feb 14th
or later before upgrading or submitting new genealogies. I'm going to
have my hands extremely full checking everyones folder and see who has
and hasn't submitted genealogies so I can be ready for the big cut on
Feb 1, 2007

I hope that clears things up. Also if you are unsure if you have or
haven't submitted a genealogy (hmmm) well here is how to find out: go to
nuestrosranchos.org and log in, then go to the files and under members
genealogies see if you have a folder in that long list. If you do the
click on it and see if you have a genealogy file/report in there or a
link to your online work. If you have something in the folder as in a
file or report you're set if not but have submitted a gedcom you're set.
If you haven't submitted a report/file and have no link to your online
work or have not sent in your gedcom then you're falling short of
meeting the requirement and will be unsubscribed on 01 Feb 2007

email me at makas@nc.rr.com if you have any questions but IF you know
you've submitted something just confirm it for yourself.

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

Dear Ranchos members,

Tomorrow the Northern California group of Ranchos is going on a Genealogical tour of the Bancroft Library in Berkeley Calif. Maria Cortez has made arrangements with the curator of the Western Americana collection for a tour, thank you Maria.

If anyone has a specific request or lookup, please let us know so we may put it on our radar. Sorry for the late notice, should have sent it sooner. We leave early in the morning, that means you must submit your request by this evening and we will try to accomodate your request.

Alicia Carrillo,
San Jose, Calif