Colotlan, Fresnillo, Sombrerete, Zacatecas, Tlaltenango: Unfilmed genealogical documents and genealogical books



Elvira I don't personally know how to answer your question. Arturo
Ramos said before that in Colotlan, Jalisco there are Franciscan
records that are unavailble on microfilm and difficult to access in
person, but you were asking about Zacatecas. All that I"m saying below
might be very different than what you are talking about. If so please
shelf this diversion and we can talk about it after others reply with
those specific unfilmed records are discussed. I just can't remember
who started and where the location was.



On my wish list---below is a list of records available at different
archives but not available through the LDS on microfilm (at least
according to Dr. Lyman Platt):



Fresnillo Padron 1770 AAG

Fresnillo Padron 1772-1773 AGI Guadalajara 348

Sombrerete Padron 1777 AGI Indiferentes 1526

 

Tlaltenango:

and though the LDS Lib has this one Padrones 1754-1780
FHL INTL Film
1219415

According to Dr. Platt the 1772-1777 is available at:
AGI
Guadalajara 348 (not sure if the

Unfilmed genealogical documents and genealogical books

I just got off the phone with Mr. Sanchez and yes, they do have a 
filiming team down in Zacatecas now and are simply trying to get the 
exact information re: the location and condition of the records that 
they might film.

Let us cross our fingers and see if we can make this a reality.  It 
would be a big boon to our efforts.

If anybody else knows of records other than Colotlan and Jerez in the 
region of Zacatecas that are not filmed, please contact Mr. Sanchez and 
give him the details ASAP.





Unfilmed genealogical documents and genealogical books

Here is the correspondence that I have been having with Mr. Sanchez 
re: the unfilmed records in Jerez and Colotlan:

Arturo,   Ojala que este senor Sanchez nos pueda ayudar con la 
filmacion de los registros en Jerez y Colotlan. Voy a estar en Utah 
en la biblioteca en Mayo, voy a volver a preguntar acerca del 
progreso de nuestra peticion. Me parece que te comente que le escribi 
al obispado solicitando permiso para ver los archivos en la 
Inmaculada. Desgraciadamente no recibi contestacion. Voy a hablar por 
telefono, haber que me dicen. "No hay peor lucha que la que no se 
hace".   Seguiremos en contacto   susana ----- Original Message ----- 
From: Arturo Ramos To: 'B. Samuel Sanchez G.' Cc: 
susyfarias@... Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 10:02 PM 
Subject: RE: Recomendacion 

Señor Sánchez:

 

Mi número es +1-202-460-4589 (móvil) o +1-202-429-1515 (oficina).  No 
sabe canto gusto me da recibir su mensaje, ya que acabo de ir a 
México a intentar ver algunos documentos sin éxito.

Unfilmed genealogical documents and genealogical books

To Everyone who mentioned the unfilmed records in Zacatecas in our areas of
interest:



Now is the time for action. Please! Can anyone give me specifics? Book
numbers pages, loose pages, etc.


I sent an e-mail to Benicio Samuel Sanchez Garcia regarding what was
said. He is interested and would like specifics. When he asks he usually
does something about it. He is in a position to do. The email below is
what I had sent him. I guess no one contacted him from this group. Please
send me (or him if you prefer, mentioning this e-mail) of the documents or
books that need to be filmed, loose pages, where they are, who is in charge
at the locale, phone numbers or address if you have it, and contact person.
Please send me as much information as you have on hand about the unfilmed
documents or books.


I believe he was expecting me to send the information needed. I sent him
pat o the info as a heads up but not all the e-mails from the group
discussing the need to film

Ignorance is not Bliss

Hello Alicia, I wish you read spanish. Whenever I search for info about any town of Mexico I write the name in that space that says "search in the web" in my cp. I did it arter reading you message and jalpa has a site. I did open the first item.  It is nice. in one of the options, wich is "jalpa" it opens into more options, so hope you luck              Leticia Leon Morales

 

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Question about Researching in a Parish

Jonathan, I spent 3 days in Ciudad Guzman/Zapotlan El Grande but 
didn't know at the time that my ancestors had lived there so didn't 
look at it through those eyes.  There are 2 church's in the square.  
A very large one and to the side a small one. If your searching for 
specific records double check which of the two church's have them.  
The people were very friendly and there are a great variety of 
hotels and motels with a very old one right in the plaza area. It's 
a hub for everything in that part of Jalisco. My destination was 
Tamazula and Zapotiltic but the accomodations there were terrible so 
we returned each night to our motel in Ciudad Gusman, I believe the 
rooms ran about $40. American for a room for 3 people and were very 
nice. Lot's of good place's to eat and even a natural yogurt and 
health food store that was wonderul.
Good luck on your trip, Linda in Everett

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "mexicanfhr"  wrote:
>
> Thank you all, for your

Question about Researching in a Parish

Thank you all, for your suggestions.  Where several of you asked in
what area I will be.  I most likely will be in Sonora, Sinaloa, and
possibly in Cd. Guzman and Sayula in Jalisco.

Jonathan

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, MMG8938@... wrote:
>
> Jonathan:
> 
> I wrote directly to you.  But I failed to mention about the cemetery
records. 
>  Some have offices at the entrance.  Also be careful in the
cemetery.  You 
> can get assaulted.  Be careful!
> 
> Are you going to Sonora?  I was trying to remember where your wife's
people 
> were from...cannot remember.
> 
> Also received your cd's and the pic....now you see why I do not like
to take 
> pictures!!!   Thank you very much for the CD's.
> 
> Mickey
>





Ignorance is not Bliss

Dear Ranchos Members,
 
I thought I would share some of my musings and findings. Yesterday I called my sister-in law to share some information regarding one of our common ancestors going back 4 generations in Tlachichila, Zac. and also to ask a question about some Mexican History regarding this region. Last week while reading film # 0226731, Matrimonios de Nochistlan, years 1842-1847. Our ancestor, Mateo Ruiz de Esparza's first marriage to Maria, Florencia Gonzales in January 1845 states that he is from Jalpa Zac. but I noticed that within that time span there were many other marriages which showed that either the bride or the groom were from Jalpa and were new arrivals to Tlachichila, some for a few months and some a few years. It made me wonder why so many new arrivals from Jalpa. What made these people leave Jalpa Zac which is a larger town and come to Tlachichila which is so remote and isolated? and only has subsistence
farming, no other industry? I thought to ask her since she

64 out of 102

okay we're at 102 members and only 64 of you are signed up in the Who's
Who database. if you get a chance please go there and sign up your
information.

thanks,

joseph

Question about Researching in a Parish

Jonathan:



I wrote directly to you.  But I failed to mention about the cemetery records.  Some have offices at the entrance.  Also be careful in the cemetery.  You can get assaulted.  Be careful!



Are you going to Sonora?  I was trying to remember where your wife's people were from...cannot remember.



Also received your cd's and the pic....now you see why I do not like to take pictures!!!   Thank you very much for the CD's.



Mickey

Question about Researching in a Parish

Jonathan,
 
I have only gone to two places in Mexico, to Nochistlan Zac and Tlachichila Zac but did not have any luck in getting access to the actual records. Having said that it was at the beginning of my geneaological journey and in Tlachichila I think and hope that if I come prepared with documentation showing that I am doing verifiable research, I believe I might be allowed access. My cousins still live there and are well connected in the church. Hope as they say is everlasting so I will not lose hope.
 
I would advise you to be well prepared to present your credentials as a researcher and possibly be willing to pay a small fee or make a small donation to the church, nothing lost in trying. Many times church offices are closed because they have limited financial resources and cannot hire a full time secretary or receptionist. You might find the name of your town on-line, check for a contact name and number and
see if you can call ahead to schedule an appointment.
 
What

Question about Researching in a Parish

Jonathan, my "cemetary" experience in El Durazno was that someone in 
each town has a key to the local cemetary, I did not find any that 
were open, they were locked.  At the older cemetary in Los Haros, 
district of Jerez we were lucky that someone was working there and 
agreed to let us in, we had to leave when they did.  Cemetaries were 
not taken care of but the marble monuments were huge and paid for by 
relatives from the states who sent money I was told. When we were in 
Guadalajara the same was true for the really old cemetaries, someone 
had to admit us.
I had no luck finding records in Jerez Zacatecas, El Limon and 
Tamazula Jalisco.  Clerks were overworked and without copy machines or 
time to give us. I had better luck with the records at the FHC.
The trip was still very much worth the time and money, wonderful 
people just researching records is not a priorty for them.  I asked to 
check a marriage ledger from 1920 and was told the public is not 
allowed to touch the books

Question about Researching in a Parish

Hello all,

Have any of you ever done research in the actual Parish in Mexico?

I am asking, because in about 3 weeks, I will be going to Mexico. And
if possible I will try find some information at the parish and
cemetary level.

So could anyone give me some pointers, on what to expect? Or the best
way to approach the subject?

Thanks,
Jonathan






Digest Number 749

What is the address of the southern California meeting?

Sincerely,

Charles Clark

----- Original Message -----
From:

To: 
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 10:52 AM
Subject: [ranchos] Digest Number 749


There are 3 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

     1. Unable to attend Southern California Meeting
          From: Alicia Carrillo 
     2. Monte grande
          From: "Susana Leniski" 
     3. Re: Monte grande
          From: "elviraz" 


________________________________________________________________________
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Message: 1
  Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 19:49:03 -0800 (PST)
  From: Alicia Carrillo 
Subject: Unable to attend Southern California Meeting

Oh boy, now I am really sorry I cannot attend the southern Cal meeting. We
had two deaths in the family in January, one to Baja Calif and the

64 out of 102


okay we're at 102 members and only 64 of you are signed up in the Who's
Who database. if you get a chance please go there and sign up your
information.


thanks,

joseph



Unable to attend Southern California Meeting

Alicia--
 
I'm sorry for the deaths in your family, and I'm also sorry that you will not be able to attend.  If this meeting is a success, I'll try to arrange another one.  We'll keep you in mind.
 
Rosalinda


-----Original Message-----
From: Alicia Carrillo
Sent: Feb 3, 2006 7:49 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Unable to attend Southern California Meeting

Oh boy, now I am really sorry I cannot attend the southern Cal meeting. We had two deaths in the family in January, one to Baja Calif and the other one this week to LA and next week a wedding in LA. Please eat some pan dulce on my behalf. Maybe at the next meeting i can make it. Best of everything to everyone.
 
Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo
San Jose, CA

zendean wrote:

This is to confirm my intent to come to the Feb. 25th Ranchos meeting @ 11:30. All I need now is where to come on that day.
 
Jose Luis Macias
"Zendean"


-----Original Message-----
From: lareina2@...
Sent: Feb 1, 2006 10:52 PM
To: ranchos

Monte grande


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Look up the article about the
Hacienda de Trancoso's "silos of Santa Monica".

 

 

 
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Trancoso hacienda, built between 1660 and 1670, was once part of the Monte
Grande hacienda; its first owner was Captain José Monrreal. Back then he had a
large weaving factory called La Zacatecana.


 

 
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Elvira

 

 

 

 

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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black">From:
Susana
Leniski


Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 9:53
PM

Subject: [ranchos] Monte grande



Hello:

 

Can anyone tell me where was "Monte Grande"
in zacatecas?. I thought it was Monte Escobedo but I was wrong. I'm not
sure if it was part of zacatecas or aguascalientes

 

Thanks

Susana

 

 

Monte grande

Hello:

 

Can anyone tell me where was "Monte Grande" in
zacatecas?. I thought it was Monte Escobedo but I was wrong. I'm not sure
if it was part of zacatecas or aguascalientes

 

Thanks

Susana

 

 

Unable to attend Southern California Meeting

Oh boy, now I am really sorry I cannot attend the southern Cal meeting. We had two deaths in the family in January, one to Baja Calif and the other one this week to LA and next week a wedding in LA. Please eat some pan dulce on my behalf. Maybe at the next meeting i can make it. Best of everything to everyone.
 
Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo
San Jose, CA

zendean wrote:
This is to confirm my intent to come to the Feb. 25th Ranchos meeting @ 11:30. All I need now is where to come on that day.
 
Jose Luis Macias
"Zendean"


-----Original Message-----
From: lareina2@...
Sent: Feb 1, 2006 10:52 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] UPDATE
ON THE SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA RANCHOS MEETING

Hi group!     Here is an update on the upcoming Southern California Ranchos   Meeting.  A kind member of the Ranchos group, Olivia Jaurequi-Reyes,   has offered the use of her home as a meeting place.  The advantage of   this is that we can have a calm, comfortable atmosphere

Vacation Trip from California to East Coast

Sounds like a fantastic trip....Feliz Viaje....and happy trails to you both.
I plan on being at the Ranchos meeting in Sacramento in March...hope to see you then.
By the way, we are now living 3/10th of a mile, walking distance, from the Family History Center...but have only been there twice since our move...que lastima...
Saludos, Helyn

Richard and Kitty Cortez wrote:

Our vacation starts April 6th in Rocklin, CA,  then we spend about 5-
7 days in Ogden, UT where we will meet with Rosalinda and visit the
FHL in SLC again.  The 14th of April we take off  by way of Hiway 80
and head back east to Virginia, North Carolina, and Georgia.  Before
we arrive back East, we plan
on visiting friends in Chicago, Cousin
in Michigan, and a cyber cousin in Pittsburg.  Those cities are
followed by an Uncle in Richmond, VA, hopefully Joseph in NC, then
friends in GA where we will stay for about 3 days.   After Georgia,
we head up to Paducah, KY for the world's biggest Quilt Show. 
(Hiwa

Vacation Trip from California to East Coast

Our vacation starts April 6th in Rocklin, CA,  then we spend about 5-
7 days in Ogden, UT where we will meet with Rosalinda and visit the 
FHL in SLC again.  The 14th of April we take off  by way of Hiway 80 
and head back east to Virginia, North Carolina, and Georgia.  Before 
we arrive back East, we plan on visiting friends in Chicago, Cousin 
in Michigan, and a cyber cousin in Pittsburg.  Those cities are 
followed by an Uncle in Richmond, VA, hopefully Joseph in NC, then 
friends in GA where we will stay for about 3 days.   After Georgia, 
we head up to Paducah, KY for the world's biggest Quilt Show.  
(Hiway 20 and Hiway 40.)  From KY, we hope to make it to a Reyes 
Family Reunion in the Houston, TX area.  (Hiway 55 and Hiway 10) 
That should be the last week-end of April.  We plan on using  Hiway 
10 and Hiway 25 from Houston, thru Albuquerque, NM and then finally 
home sometime the first week of May.  We will be puting a few miles 
on our RV.  
If we are going to be in your

Confirm 1 seat for Ranchos meeting

This is to confirm my intent to come to the Feb. 25th Ranchos meeting @ 11:30. All I need now is where to come on that day.
 
Jose Luis Macias
"Zendean"


-----Original Message-----
From: lareina2@...
Sent: Feb 1, 2006 10:52 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] UPDATE ON THE SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA RANCHOS MEETING

Hi group! 

Here is an update on the upcoming Southern California Ranchos 
Meeting.  A kind member of the Ranchos group, Olivia Jaurequi-Reyes, 
has offered the use of her home as a meeting place.  The advantage of 
this is that we can have a calm, comfortable atmosphere to share our 
genealogies and ideas.  I'd like to thank Olivia for her generosity.  
The location was originally set for the Covina area, but Olivia's home 
is in Rowland Heights, not too far away from the 60 freeway, and just 
west of the 57 interchange.

We are planning a menu of carne asada, rice, beans, sodas, water, 
coffee, and pan dulce, and expect the cost to be in the range of $10 
per person

UPDATE ON THE SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA RANCHOS MEETING

Hi group! 

Here is an update on the upcoming Southern California Ranchos 
Meeting.  A kind member of the Ranchos group, Olivia Jaurequi-Reyes, 
has offered the use of her home as a meeting place.  The advantage of 
this is that we can have a calm, comfortable atmosphere to share our 
genealogies and ideas.  I'd like to thank Olivia for her generosity.