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Sr. Leonardo de la Torre Berumen
few days and am trying to catch up before I leave again! I had written to
a good friend of mine who is with the Coahuila archives. Miguel Angel is
the person who introduced me to Leonardo de la Torre Berumen in Jerez a couple
of years ago. I had written to Miguel Angel to ask him more about Sr.
Leonardo and here is his response: ( My quick translation to
English would be:)
charge of the Archivo Municipal of Jerez and is a respectable person. He
is far from Los Altos de Jalisco, which is next to Zacatecas, he has to go on
the highway and I do not know if he has the time....tell your friends (my
Ranchos group) that I can get them information regarding Los Altos. Here
(in the archives) we have information and if they want (a copy of ) the records
I will see how we can get them. Of course, they are your friends and that
is my job here in the archives. (the rest refers to another of our mutual
friend).......In a
Digest Number 694
Susana Like you, I have found films at FHL in SLC that were 'not what the description said'. One case was a film for Lagos de Moreno where the film was only 'natural births' instead of as described as legitimate. That was 6 years ago and it is still listed that way. My sister and I have been working on another film in Banamichi, Sonora, Mex and just where our g-grandmother and g-aunt should have been, the film was totally faded, you could only see slight pen scratches. After many years of working with this film, we thought to ask the window to please order another film since this film was not readable. They order it and it was in the next day and filed in the 'overflow' section. I took the old film back to the window explaining that a better film was in the overflow section. The LDS employee said no problem, just file it in the regular section. So I took a post-a-note and attached it inside the box of the old film and noted that there was a better copy in the overflow section
Mariano González-Leal Book
Francisco,
I'm unclear if you are saying you are authorized to make copies of the old edition or new edition to come. Please clarify. Thanks. Marge Vallazza:)
On Dec 14, 2005, at 8:10 AM, Francisco Martin wrote:
Hola Joseph:
Respecto a este libro, ya no esta disponible a la venta, ya que inclusive el mes pasado trate de conseguir unos con Mariano Gonzalez Leal, y me comento que ya ni el tiene. Pero esta por sacar una edicion nueva que consta de 5 tomos en los cuales viene mas amplia la informacion de la genealogia de los Altos de Jalisco.
Si gustan, el me autorizo a sacar copias, por si alguien desea, se los puedo volver a pedir y enviar un juego de copias alla y alguien de ustedes proporcionarlas a los demas integrantes del grupo.
Saludos
Francisco Martin
Joseph Puenteswrote: not sure where to purchase it and not sure its available via ILL but if you are close to any of these Universites you can see it there. Its also possible that one of the Ranchos
Mariano González-Leal Book
Joseph Puentes
not sure where to purchase it and not sure its available via ILL but if you
are close to any of these Universites you can see it there. Its also possible that one of the Ranchos members owns the book as I've heard it mentioned often. I don't know for sure if anyone owns it but someone might know of purchasing info:
Location Library Code
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Jerez, Zacatecas. La Inmaculada
Susana: In addition to all of the missing films you mention, Leonardo de la Torre Berumen, the municipal archivist in Jerez tells me that most of the years for confirmations in the mid-1600s are also available and while these are not as comprehensive as the baptisms as children that die young, etc. were not confirmed, any children that survived and later got married and procreated would certainly be in there. There are also a whole series of "hojas sueltas" from the old Franciscan Convent in Colotlan that were never filmed. These are also from marriages, baptisms, burials in the mid-1600s. Also would be great to break through these brick walls. I am going to try to access the latter when I am down there next week. I will inquire about getting to see the former. Would be worthwhile to have them all filmed (and indexed). Someone in the group mentioned that they had Benito Samuel Sanchez Garcia help them arrange filming of previously unfilmed records. --- In ranchos
Leticia Leon's Family Pictures
here is the link to Leticia Leon's family pictures: http://mx.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/caleta58/album?.dir=/fb3f&.src=ph&.tok=phQuHFEBOdjJ0MS3 and here it the link to the above link within the Ranchos group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ranchos/links/Photos_Members_001118313212/ joseph
ps: other members should consider putting a few choice photos on a site
like this and putting the link to those pictures in this folder in the
"links" area. What do you think?
Jerez, Zacatecas. La Inmaculada
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To anyone researching in La Inmaculada/Jerez,
Zacatecas I have some information that can be valuable for
anyone researching in Jerez 1. THE CASE OF THE 20-25 PAGES OF
MARRIAGES The first time I reviewed the film # 440059.
Matrimonios 1712-1745. I noticed that the film started in the middle of the book. I searched for the missing pages until I found them. They are in the previous film. Film # 440058. Informacion Matrimonial 1961. Yes, you read right 1961. In this film after the 1961 information, all the way at the end of the film.( You even pass a section in "blank".) There is the first roll of film of marriages. There are about 20-25 pages of the oldest marriages in microfilm for Jerez (1712), part of the 1st book.I already spoke to the expert for Latin-American in the main Library in Utah (that was 2 years ago). I hope they will place a note in the Library Catalogue in the near future. 2. THE CASE OF THE MISSING MICROFILMS
Recently I spoke over the phone to
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Caldera connection
Susana, thank you so much for posting so much wonderful work with documentation. My 2 Caldera lines are from El Durazno, district of Jerez with the records showing some of thier children moving to Boca De San Pedro. I did not have a parent/parents for Nicolas Caldera/ Leonor Rodarte in my files, I thank you for that. I have only taken my direct Caldera lines of Andres Caldera, abt 1720, wife, Catarina Gertrudis De La Cueva, abt 1730 and Joseph Antonio del Carmen/Carmel Caldera abt 1735, wife Ana de la Trinidad Garcia abt 1730. Even though I think they are related I have not been able to prove it.. Even though the records all say Espanol for these Caldera's I'm always looking for Indio's too. thank you again, what a wonderful addition you are to the Rancho's group. Linda in Everett
Archivo General de la Nación.
Regarding the Archivo General de la Nacion: It is the largest repository of files that originated since colonial times to the present. Record types are Church, civil, punishment, properties, immigrants, etc., etc. The source of information that Archivo General de la Nacion saves, is very rich in "historic documents", and "vital records". AGN is the place where the most important records are protected by the government of Mexico. The vital records from Mexico that are microfilmed, for instance, by "The Genealogical Society of Utah", are available at Archivo General de la Nacion. A copy of the microfilms from places in Mexico is donated to the AGN, but their
copies are very deteriorated. They take very little care of their documents and microfilms, their explanation is: "It is too expensive to take care of them".
Caldera and Carlos families from Zacatecas
I, too, am interested in hearing more about the Caldera and Carlos families
from Zacatecas. I have an assortment of Calderas from Zacatecas who went to
Durango. I have a grandma named Victoria Zavala-Carlos (H) Onofre
Aguilar-Hernandez who had Maria-del-Refugio "Cuca" Aguilar-Zavala from
Fresnillo. Also a grandma Maria-Anacleta "Cleta" Caldera married to
José-María(1) Garcia from Tepetongo.
I envision a hard time with the Calderas because I understand there were
about a dozen Miguel Calderas living about the same time, of which Don
Miguel Caldera was the only mestizo or Spaniard. All others were Indians who
had taken his name to honor him. All had a large number of children except
don Miguel. Regarding don Miguel: this is the book about him. It has been
translated into Spanish.
Capitán Mestizo: Miguel Caldera y la frontera norteña la pacificación de los
chichimecas (1548-1597) by Philip Wayne Powell
P. 18 mentions who his parents were (his mother was baptized, so
Habla español
To the person who asked me about Benicio Samuel Sanchez Garcia
impeded my remembering your name.
I e-mailed him and he does speak English, so feel free to contact him. He is
expecting your e-mail.
Elvira
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Arturo:
It will be great if you can send me the information
that you have. I have a book about Miguel Caldera, but I don't have the sources to be able to link him to Pedro Cid Caldera. (Father of Catalina Cid Caldera). Where did you find this information?. I just submitted my information for the Cid Caldera Lineage. It is in Ranchos2. To ALL:
I am very happy to meet so many cousins, and
specially to share my information. Thank you so much for your kind words. Thanks
Susana Leniski
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Rosalinda: I think you are going to be amazed at what Susana has put together. I had bits and pieces of this family's history from the Sagrada Mitra but she has been able to piece it all together amazingly well just from those dispensations. Erlinda: Yes I think that Rosalinda and I are both Calderas, in that we are descendants of Pedro Cid Caldera, who in turn was in turn, the nephew of Miguel de Caldera. Susana: Thank you so much for the information. You will see that I have the birthdate for Agustin (Catalina's son). I will search to see what else I have on these people as I go through your work. Have you seen what Rosalinda and I have on the two Carlos de Godoy descendancies that we share? I can send you a GEDCOM of these if you like.
Nochistlan, Leal, Aguascalientes: Books/and Misc.
--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, makas@n... wrote: >Joseph - This message was posted Aug.15,2004. I am interested in the book "Retonos de Espania in la Nueva Galicia" written by Matiano Gonzales-Leal. Can you, or anyone , give me information as to where I can see, or purchase it? As I mentioned, I live in Yorba Linda, Orange Co., So. Cal...........................H.R.......... > > Author Vázquez y Rodríguez de Frías, José Luis. > Title Genealogía de Nochistlán antiguo reino de la Nueva Galicia en el > siglo XVII según sus archivos parroquiales / José Luis Vázquez y > Rodríguez de Frías. > Edition 1. ed. > Publisher Ciudad Juárez, Mexico : Editorial El Labrador, [2001] > Description xx, 475 p. : ill. ; 29 cm. > Note Includes index. > Language Spanish > Subject Vasquez family. > Rodriguez family. > Mexico -- Genealogy. > Format Book > Library UC Berkeley All > ========================================== > Author González-Leal, Mariano. > Title Retoños de
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I have some information at home that may shed more light on this... I
have a lot of stary pieces of information that I think your
comprehensive genealogical information will put together. One is
that Antonio Carlos de Godoy's wife, Catalina Cid Caldera was the
grand-niece of Miguel de Caldera, of fame, pacificador de los
Chichimecas y Justicia Mayor de los Valles de Jerez y Tlaltenango...
her
Caldera connection
Arturo, now you have my attention. I've been trying to connect my Caldera ancestors in El Durazno, Jerez Zacatecas. I have 3 Caldera Grandmothers in my lineage. Are you Caldera connected also? Linda in Everett
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Susana: I have some information at home that may shed more light on this... I have a lot of stary pieces of information that I think your comprehensive genealogical information will put together. One is that Antonio Carlos de Godoy's wife, Catalina Cid Caldera was the grand-niece of Miguel de Caldera, of fame, pacificador de los Chichimecas y Justicia Mayor de los Valles de Jerez y Tlaltenango... her father, Pedro Cid Caldera was the son of Hernan Gonzalez and Miguel Caldera's half-sister, Maria Cid Caldera. --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Susana Leniski"wrote: > > Arturo: > > I'm at the same point you are. I have 2 more brothers for Antonio Carlos de Godoy and Catalina Carlos de Godoy (Sebastian and Juan). I don't know their father's name. I know the mother was Maria Rosales, and the grandmother was Agustina Rosales. A Historian from Zacatecas told me that the father's name was Juan Carlos de Godoy, but he didn't give the sources for this
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Ed,
Questions about the Archivo General de la
Nacion: The Archivo that I visited is in Mexico City. It is
located in an old Prison (Lecumberri). It is open just in the mornings. It is open partially to the public. Before you can see the records, you need approval. Normally you need only a letter, better if it is from an institution.. Also you need to bring an ID with you. They have different areas. The area of Genealogy, has many of the film that the LDS church has. They have an index just like in the library. In another area, they have microfilms of historical
documents, like maps, census, etc. In another area, they have the actual documents. This area is closed to the public, or very restricted. One of the hardest things is to get in is photocopies of the microfilms. The staff is very helpful, specially if you describe your situacion. I would call in advance, to make sure that the place is going to be open (They take many vacations) Many times the website from
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Maria de la Luz Montejano Hilton has published a very good index of all the 17th and 18th century films that includes a very good synopsis of each entry so you don't even have to go see the film once you find a name in order to get the genealogy information from it. Montejano Hilton, Mariìa de la Luz. Sagrada mitra de Guadalajara, antiguo obispado de la Nueva Galicia : expedientes de la serie de matrimonios extractos siglos XVII-XVIII / Mariìa de la Luz Montejano Hilton. Meìxico, D.F. : M. Montejano Hilton, 1999. xxi, 803 p. ; 28 cm. --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puenteswrote: > > > > Edward Serros wrote: > > >--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Susana Leniski" wrote: > > > > > >>I also travel to Mexico nearly every year to visit family, many times for an extended time. > >> > >> > >During these periods I try to allocate time for geneological research. In a few of these > >trips, I have researched historical data at the
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