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To all:

I would like to give you an example of the interesting nature of surnames. The email reply 
below is from an Austrian, Christine Serro, who is applying to the Tandem Program at the 
University of Technology in Sydney, Australia, where my daughter, Megan (Maya) Serros, 
works and is in charge of new job applicants.

Christine Serro below responds to an inquiry about her surname since it obviously is so 
close to my daughter's surname of Serros.

Surnames are crazy and you should never assume anything.

Ed


From: 
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 17:42:28 +0100
To: Tandem Progam 
Subject: Re: Exchange semester

Hi Maya,

Thank you for your mail! You are not bothering me at all and I definitely don't
think that you are crazy.  I find it also very interesting that your name is so
close to mine! Unfortunately, my great-grandfather grew up in an orphanage in
Venedig, Italy because his mother (or father..) has given him away when he was
a baby. In the

Gracias Josie,
  
Jose Munoz en Yuba City 

--- "Josie T. Trevino"  wrote:

> Jose Munoz.......Yo le dare la informacion lo mas
> pronto que pueda.  Me voy
> a comunicar con mi amigo en Torreon para que me
> avise el costo, etc.  
>  
> Josie en San Antonio
> 
>   _____  
> 
> From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Jose Munoz
> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 2:03 AM
> To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [ranchos] Filigranas, Fundaciones y
> Genalogies
> 
> 
> .
> Deceo comprar este libre
> 
> .......by sheer coincidence I just received this
> message today:
> Acá en Torreón, vive el señor Jose León Robles de la
> Torre que hizo 
> algunas importantes investigaciones respecto a su
> familia en Tepetongo 
> Zacatecas, Pienso que allí puede encontrar mucha
> información de la que 
> usted necesita. 
>   Deceo comprar  el libro de que Filigranas,
> Fundaciones y Genalogias, 
> que trae bastante genealogia de familias de por allá

Arturo,

I am not sure, since I don't know Maximo's parents.

Last time I looked at your site you had two Godina families one that 
was a Jara-Godina family that I was distantly related to through the 
Jara side.  The other was a Godina-Cardenas family that I am related 
to through the Cardenas side.  I wasn't related to either one through 
the Godina side.  Well at least not as far as I know with the 
information that I have on my family.

Thanks,
Angie Godina

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos"  
wrote:
>
> Is this the same person, Angie?  You know I have a bunch of 
Colotlan 
> and Totatiche Godina's in my lineage.  Have you tried to make 
> connections there... we may yet have another connection.
> 
> JOSE MACSIMIANO GODINA MARTINEZ  
>   Male     
> Event(s): 
>  Birth:  
>  Christening:  26 AUG 1835   San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico 
> Parents: 
>   Father:  GREGORIO GODINA  Family 
>   Mother:  GREGORIA MARTINEZ     
> Source Information: 
>

Is this the same person, Angie?  You know I have a bunch of Colotlan 
and Totatiche Godina's in my lineage.  Have you tried to make 
connections there... we may yet have another connection.

JOSE MACSIMIANO GODINA MARTINEZ  
  Male     
Event(s): 
 Birth:  
 Christening:  26 AUG 1835   San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico 
Parents: 
  Father:  GREGORIO GODINA  Family 
  Mother:  GREGORIA MARTINEZ     
Source Information: 
 C602869  1834 - 1839  0443679   Film  NONE    

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "aajay1073"  wrote:
>
> John,
> 
> I found this:
> 
> MAXIMO GODINA
>   Male
> Marriages:
>   Spouse:  CASIMIRA DELGADO
>   Marriage:  02 MAY 1855   San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
> Messages:
>  Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The 
> source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage 
> date.
> Source Information:
>  Batch No.:  Dates:  Source Call No.:
>  M604656  1854 - 1875  0443786
> 
> I will try and find out who

John,

I found this:

MAXIMO GODINA
  Male
Marriages:
  Spouse:  CASIMIRA DELGADO
  Marriage:  02 MAY 1855   San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
Messages:
 Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The 
source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage 
date.
Source Information:
 Batch No.:  Dates:  Source Call No.:
 M604656  1854 - 1875  0443786

I will try and find out who Maximo's parents are and then I will know 
if we are related or not... :-)

Thanks,
Angie Godina

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "John Gonzalez" 1gnzlz@v...> wrote:
>
> Hi again Angie:
> 
> Victoriana Godina was my great grandmother...Are we related yet ?
> 1gnzlz@v...
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: aajay1073 
>   To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 9:37 AM
>   Subject: [ranchos] Re: Godina's from Colotlan, Jalisco
> 
> 
>   John,
> 
>   I realize you want to research your Cerro line first, but I was 
>   wondering who are

John,

I realize you want to research your Cerro line first, but I was 
wondering who are Victoriana Godina's parents and grandparents?  I am 
researching the Godina's from the Colotlan, Jalisco area.

Thanks,
Angie Godina

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "John Gonzalez" 1gnzlz@v...> wrote:
>
> Hi Ed:
> 
> This is great information , thank you.  I do have Google Earth and 
will take a look at Lanestosa Spain.
> 
> I am almost sure that my grandgfather was rom Pánuco.  Iam having 
problems finding his father Jose Maria Cerro. I was able to find his 
mother , Victoriana Godina who was born in Colotlan Jalisco, also 
found her parents.  But it is the Cerro line that I would like to 
research first. 
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> John Gonzalez
> Wildomar CA
> 1gnzlz@v...

.
Deceo comprar este libre

.......by sheer coincidence
I just received this message today:
Acá en Torreón, vive el señor Jose León
Robles de la Torre que hizo
algunas importantes investigaciones respecto a
su familia en Tepetongo
Zacatecas, Pienso que allí puede encontrar mucha
información de la que
usted necesita.
  Deceo comprar  el
libro de que Filigranas, Fundaciones y Genalogias,
que trae bastante
genealogia de familias de por allá de Zacatecas,
Tal vez el pueda darle
alguna información a lo que usted busca.

Si alquin is interesante por
favor de e-mail me escriban a 
jsmunoz2781@... con prescio

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "John Gonzalez" 1gnzlz@v...> wrote:
>   > I remember seen a definition of cerro as backbone, or espinazo. 
>   Cerros means a small mountain.  It goes: Loma, cerro, montaña y
>   sierra, degrees according to size. > 

John, 

Using the Mormon data and the Archivos en Red, I have tracked back at least on person 
with del Cerro surname to Lanestosa, Spain which is in the Basque Country. If you use 
Google Earth and type in Lanestosa, Spain you will get a good idea how the last name 
might have arisen since the area is very mountainous, as is Northern Spain in general.

In my investigation of the Cerro/Cerros surname it appears that there may be at least two 
Cerro/Cerros groups, one in Zacatecas and one in Jalisco. The Zacatecas group is centered 
around Pánuco and goes back centuries. Many of the Cerro males clearly marry women 
with Basque surnames as one reviews the IGI data. Don Juan de Oñate, a Basque, was from 
Pánuco. He "discovered" El Paso on his

Marge,

I have a copy of a map of Aguas. from 1943 showing Santiago located
almost directly south of Rincon de Romos and Pabellon, almost
directly east of San Jose de Gracia, and northwest of San Francisco
de los Romos.
(Carta General del Estado de Aguas., 5 May 1943, Mapas de México,
Aguas., Colección Geográfica Patria)

Also, in Beatriz Rojas' book, "Las Instituciones de Gobierno
y la Elite Local", there are actually two haciendas listed by
that name. She lists one in a chart called "Las grandes haciendas
y sus dueños a fines del siglo XVII", showing the proprietor
as M. López de Carrasquilla in 1689. She also lists an hacienda
Santiago in another chart on the same page (entitled "Las pequeñas
y medianas haciendas a fines del siglo XVII"), showing the proprietors
in 1670 as heirs to Gerónimo de Orozco (a BIG name in the area
at the time, founding family of Aguas.).  

She also includes an old map showing a Santiago as an "Azienda",
south of Pabellon & east of San Jose de Gracia

.
Deceo comprar este libre

.......by sheer coincidence I just received this message today:
Acá en Torreón, vive el señor Jose León Robles de la Torre que hizo 
algunas importantes investigaciones respecto a su familia en Tepetongo 
Zacatecas, Pienso que allí puede encontrar mucha información de la que 
usted necesita. 
  Deceo comprar  el libro de que Filigranas, Fundaciones y Genalogias, 
 que trae bastante genealogia de familias de por allá de Zacatecas, 
Tal vez el pueda darle alguna información a lo que usted busca. 
 
Si alquin is interesante por favor de e-mail me escriban a  
jsmunoz2781@... con prescio y donde llevendarlo.

Jose Munoz

I'm going to suspend the vote on members for the RSF because there are
only two people on the list of nominated and willing individuals.

We may need to forgo this project through lack of interest in how to
effectively distribute the funds once collected unless we can think of a
different system.

I'm open to suggestions.

joseph

Arturo,
   I would suggest if anyone hires him to do research
that he be paid by the job upon delivery. We know one
person whom hired him and prepaid for research and
never got any results over a year. 
    Then on the other hand we did get documentation
and paid him upon delivery. Anna was satisfied with
her results. I was not. 

Jose Munoz

--- Arturo Ramos  wrote:

> Leonardo de la Torre does NOT speak English.  I
> think that if I worked 
> out a deal with him, I would be willing to
> communicate project goals, 
> etc., to him for members who would sign up.  My
> Spanish is not perfect, 
> but I can hold my own.
> 
> When we were discussing my reimbursing his travel
> expenses for him to 
> come to Colotlan, he was adamant about getting the
> money wired to 
> him... he specifically did not want checks or money
> orders.
> 
> Since Paypal works more or less like a wire service
> once it is linked 
> to a bank account and they do allow linking to
> Mexican bank

I just want to mention that one of the people who attended our 
Sacramento gathering on Saturday has used Mr. de la Torre's 
services.  She said his rates were reasonable and he did provide hard 
copies of records, but that she already had much of the information 
he provided to her.  You might want to be very specific about what 
records you don't need him to research.  It did sound like he's a 
reputable researcher.

Maria

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos"  
wrote:
>
> I have already arranged to meet Mr. de la Torre in Colotlan along 
> with Esteban Valdes Salazar in a couple of weeks.
> 
> Mr. de la Torre has also suggested that we could purchase Jerez 
> information that he has already compiled from him and then it would 
> be ours to share among ourselves.  I dared not ask a price, as I 
> think that is going to be a delicate negotiation and it really 
> depends on what it is that he has.
> 
> He has mentioned that the Jerez parrish archves have

digest etiquette

whenever folks reply to a message that has come to them bundled in a
digest you can't just click on reply because then you will get the
"whole" reply message as part of your reply including the 17 other
messages you weren't replying to.

So instead just click reply and then cut or delete the parts that are
not about your reply and then put your response in. But DO leave in the
message you are replying about so we'll all know exactly what you are
are replying about.

ALSO as a message changes from one topic to another PLEASE change the
Subject line with the change in the message. That way we'll know what
each message is about.

so to recap:

1) if you get digest version don't just hit reply, but cut "out" the
other messages and only leave in the message you're replying to with
your response. From now on if anyone does this please forward me
examples and I'll email the "offender" privately and nicely "have a
little talk with them." I'm not on digest

Leonardo de la Torre does NOT speak English.  I think that if I worked 
out a deal with him, I would be willing to communicate project goals, 
etc., to him for members who would sign up.  My Spanish is not perfect, 
but I can hold my own.

When we were discussing my reimbursing his travel expenses for him to 
come to Colotlan, he was adamant about getting the money wired to 
him... he specifically did not want checks or money orders.

Since Paypal works more or less like a wire service once it is linked 
to a bank account and they do allow linking to Mexican bank accounts 
(it a bit slower since they have to make their money on the float), he 
may be amenable to that... depends on how much of a technophobe he is.  
However, I am sure that we can find a solution to this problem in one 
way or another.

I was thinking that what I would discuss with him was the possibility 
of working on an hourly basis with an ongoing list of projects... that 
way people could set out a budget for their