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Hi Alicia:

I am really confused about your husbands gg grandparents. I am having a 
hard time trying to picture the relationship. Can you find an easy way 
to explain it so that a dummy like me can understand it?

Jhon Gonzalez.

Carol:

Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara. Roolo 167998 OAH 2358
pt. 2. Matrimonios Hojas Sueltas, 1730.  28 de abril
de 1730.   Pg. 302 - #1625.
Villanueva, Zac. Abril 28 de 1730. Exp. 27.  Mentions
declaracion del Cap. CRISTOBAL DEL MURO, de 64 anos de
edad: 

Jose Munoz

--- Carol Turner  wrote:

> My Muro family did marry into the Luna, Haro,
> Sanchez,
> Carrillo, Marquez, Sandoval, Saldana, Rodriguez and
> Gonzales, Gomez families.  I have gone back into the
> mid-1750's with most of these lines.  I'm going to
> submit more of our family tree since right now I
> just
> have our Muro's in the files.  Our family lived in
> Sauz De Los Marques and record shows the Muros were
> back as far as 1731.  Most of our family records
> were
> in Colotlan and Santa Mara De Los Angeles,
> Villanueva
> and probably will find they started in Jerez.  I
> haven't been able to break through my brick wall
> with
> Juan del Muro & Rita Gertrudis Gomez (mid-1750's).
> 
> Thanks for the

Alberto
Thanks for the information. So many common
locallities, surnames, and places...  May I ask the
Title and Author of the book you read on Francisco
Castallanos Sanchez? 

Although I see the money signs with the Munoz Family
in Jerez...I have no data to support. That would
improve the color of green on the tree. 

Thanks for the reply

Jose Munoz 

--- Alberto Duarte  wrote:

> Jose:
> I forgot to mention the ranch my uncles purchased
> (Lo
> de Luna, which included a number of other ranches in
> the area) was from the Munoz family, one of the
> wealthiest and famous families in Jerez at that
> time. 
> 
> 
> Alberto
> 
> --- Alberto Duarte  wrote:
> 
> > I would say yes.  Duarte and the Haro families did
> > intermarry, too, in Jerez.  Also, the ranch my
> > uncles
> > (Garcia de la Cadena brothers) purchased outside
> of
> > Jerez circa 1730 was called Lo de Luna. Luna
> family
> > ties? 
> > 
> > Written on some of the church documents that I
> >

Are we just all related?
I believe

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Thanks for the info submitted, I will check my notes
to see if any of these names are on tree.  I envy
those that have gone back into the 1600's, all of you
are true researchers and have helped so many of us
with new ideas!!!!

Carol Muro-Turner

--- Alberto Duarte  wrote:

> Jose:
> I forgot to mention the ranch my uncles purchased
> (Lo
> de Luna, which included a number of other ranches in
> the area) was from the Munoz family, one of the
> wealthiest and famous families in Jerez at that
> time. 
> 
> 
> Alberto
> 
> --- Alberto Duarte  wrote:
> 
> > I would say yes.  Duarte and the Haro families did
> > intermarry, too, in Jerez.  Also, the ranch my
> > uncles
> > (Garcia de la Cadena brothers) purchased outside
> of
> > Jerez circa 1730 was called Lo de Luna. Luna
> family
>

My Muro family did marry into the Luna, Haro, Sanchez,
Carrillo, Marquez, Sandoval, Saldana, Rodriguez and
Gonzales, Gomez families.  I have gone back into the
mid-1750's with most of these lines.  I'm going to
submit more of our family tree since right now I just
have our Muro's in the files.  Our family lived in
Sauz De Los Marques and record shows the Muros were
back as far as 1731.  Most of our family records were
in Colotlan and Santa Mara De Los Angeles, Villanueva
and probably will find they started in Jerez.  I
haven't been able to break through my brick wall with
Juan del Muro & Rita Gertrudis Gomez (mid-1750's).

Thanks for the info submitted, I will check my notes
to see if any of these names are on tree.  I envy
those that have gone back into the 1600's, all of you
are true researchers and have helped so many of us
with new ideas!!!!

Carol Muro-Turner

--- Alberto Duarte  wrote:

> Jose:
> I forgot to mention the ranch my uncles purchased
> (Lo
> de Luna

Jose:
I forgot to mention the ranch my uncles purchased (Lo
de Luna, which included a number of other ranches in
the area) was from the Munoz family, one of the
wealthiest and famous families in Jerez at that time. 


Alberto

--- Alberto Duarte  wrote:

> I would say yes.  Duarte and the Haro families did
> intermarry, too, in Jerez.  Also, the ranch my
> uncles
> (Garcia de la Cadena brothers) purchased outside of
> Jerez circa 1730 was called Lo de Luna. Luna family
> ties? 
> 
> Written on some of the church documents that I
> researched on the Duartes, I've seen the names
> Pueblo
> de Talltenango, Fresnillo and Guadalajara mention. 
> 
> Also, in his time, Francisco Castellanos Sanchez was
> one of the most wealthest men in Zacatecas,
> according
> to a book I read.  I sure could use some of his
> money
> now.
> 
> Alberto Duarte Prieto
> 
>   
> --- jose munoz  wrote:
> 
> > Marge/Alberto; Relations to any of the following??
> 
> > 
> > Sagrada

I would say yes.  Duarte and the Haro families did
intermarry, too, in Jerez.  Also, the ranch my uncles
(Garcia de la Cadena brothers) purchased outside of
Jerez circa 1730 was called Lo de Luna. Luna family
ties? 

Written on some of the church documents that I
researched on the Duartes, I've seen the names Pueblo
de Talltenango, Fresnillo and Guadalajara mention. 

Also, in his time, Francisco Castellanos Sanchez was
one of the most wealthest men in Zacatecas, according
to a book I read.  I sure could use some of his money
now.

Alberto Duarte Prieto

  
--- jose munoz  wrote:

> Marge/Alberto; Relations to any of the following?? 
> 
> Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara. Rollo 167971 OAH 3241
> pt. 1. Matrimonios. Hojas Sueltas. Siglo XVII.  19
> de
> Junio de 1684.         Pg.6 -- #25.                 
>  
>                 
> 
> Guadalajara, Jal. Junio 19, 1684, - Dispensa de
> cuatro
> grado de consanguinidad. - RODRIGO SANCHEZ
> CASTELLANOS, espanol, natural del

Marge/Alberto; Relations to any of the following?? 

Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara. Rollo 167971 OAH 3241
pt. 1. Matrimonios. Hojas Sueltas. Siglo XVII.  19 de
Junio de 1684.         Pg.6 -- #25.                   
                

Guadalajara, Jal. Junio 19, 1684, - Dispensa de cuatro
grado de consanguinidad. - RODRIGO SANCHEZ
CASTELLANOS, espanol, natural del partido de
Taltenango, y residente en esta Ciudad de guadalajara,
hijo legitimo de MANUEL SANCHEZ CASTELLANOS y de
JOSEPHA DE RODAS, espanoles, vecinos de la
jurisdiccion de le Fresnillo; pretende casarse con
Dona JUANA DE LUNA, espanola, hija legitima de
BARTOLOME DE LUNA y Dona LORENZA DE HARO, vecinos del
partido de Taltenango. Declaraccion de FRANCISCO
XAVIER MEJIA, espanol de 30 anos de edad, vecino del
Pueblo de Taltenango, y residente de esta dicha Ciudad
de Guadalajara: Que THOMASINA DE HARO y HERNANDO DE
HARO, Difuntos, fueron primos hermanos, y la dicha
THOMASINA, tuvo por su hijo legitimo a MANUEL SANCHEZ,
padre

The exploitation and enslavement of 500 years,from
Mexico's caste and colonial system under the
Encomienda, are rooted deep within all of us. A weed
is a hard thing eradicate. Remember when you had
Dallas grass? Hopefully these last 50 years of
struggling against racial nationalism(e.g. defeat of
the Nazi's,collapse of Communism and the development
of the American Civil Rights Movement and birth of the
Rock 'n Roll and Salsa) will give fruit to a more
equal distribution of the benefits of being
alive,well, singing and dancing in these times. 

--- Emilie Garcia  wrote:

> Well, according to some, I made some misconceived
> assumptions in my posting about the uncanny
> resemblance of some people in the religious and
> merchant and military communities of Jalisco and
> Aguascalientes (the altenos, as Irma says). 
> However, as Carol Turner states in her posting about
> Colotlan, Spaniards and Indians were segregated
> prior to 1821, and I know of some that kept their

Are we just all related?
I believe the Sanchez Castellanos families from
Jerez/Xerez were related to the Duartes from Jerez. 
Two of my great------grandmothers from Jerez were from
Sanchez family and my uncle Tribucio Duarte and
Francisco Castellano Sanchez were business partners
back in 1815.  I do know that Francisco Castellanos
was originally from Aguascalientes.

Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, California

--- Margarita Vallazza  wrote:

> Just posting some info I have found--
> 
> "Mezquital del Oro, Zac., Nov. 25 1748.  Exp. 24 -
> Informacion 
> Matrimonial del Ultramarino y Dispensa de Banas.  En
> el Real de San 
> Juan de Bautista del Mezquital, se levanto la
> informacion de Don 
> Francisco de Idon y Romay, esp., originario del
> puerto de Marin en 
> Reino de Galicia y residente en estos Reinos de diez
> y ocho anyos, hijo 
> legitimo de Don Marcos Idon y Romay y de Donya Maria
> Gonzalez de 
> Mendoza; con Donya Maria Sanchez Castellanos, espa.
> de

My grandparents were cousins in six different ways.  All at the 6th 
and 7th degree level, but six nevertheless.

I read somewhere that one of the impetuses to intermarriage was to 
keep landholdings contiguous and/or large enough to be useful, as 
inheritence traditions dictated land being distributed among the 
children (including women) and thus the plots would get smaller and 
smaller and more and more dispersed unless you married a cousin 
(knowlingly or unknowingly) who had inherited the land next to yours.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Irma GomezLucero" 
 wrote:
>
> They probably knew it.  This is/was very common in our area--keep 
the
> lines pure and all.
> irma
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] On 
Behalf
> Of Alicia Carrillo
> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 6:46 PM
> To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [ranchos] New Discovery Today!
> 
> 
> Sorry guys, had to share this

Just posting some info I have found--

"Mezquital del Oro, Zac., Nov. 25 1748. Exp. 24 - Informacion
Matrimonial del Ultramarino y Dispensa de Banas. En el Real de San
Juan de Bautista del Mezquital, se levanto la informacion de Don
Francisco de Idon y Romay, esp., originario del puerto de Marin en
Reino de Galicia y residente en estos Reinos de diez y ocho anyos, hijo
legitimo de Don Marcos Idon y Romay y de Donya Maria Gonzalez de
Mendoza; con Donya Maria Sanchez Castellanos, espa. de mas de 50 anyos
de edad, originaria y vecina de la Villa de Xeres, viuda de Don
Francisco del Muro, tiempo ha de quatro anyos, hija legitima de Don
Joseph Sanchez Castellanos y de Dony Juana de Luna."

Well, this Joseph Sanchez Castellanos is the nephew of my ancestor
Francisco de Chavez Banuelos. Wow! How great to find peripheral
relatives!!! I love it when I find branches of my ancestors' families!
MargeV:)

A beautiful family.
 
Priceless photos.

Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, California

--- Joseph Puentes  wrote:

> los fotos se miran bien pero el Link lo cambie a:
> 
>
http://mx.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/caleta58/album?.dir=/9503&.src=ph&.tok=ph9jVBEB38JJvivF
> 
> ojala que los otros en el grupo conocen un poco de
> sus preguntas porque 
> yo no tengo informacion.
> 
> se miran bien,
> 
> joseph
> 
> 
> leticia leon wrote:
> 
> >HOLA TODOS, LOS INVITO A ECHAR UN OJO A MIS FOTOS
> EN LINKS PHOTOS-
> >MEMBERS SECCION, ME INTERESA QUE LAS OBSERVEN,
> QUIZA USTEDES TENGAN 
> >ALGUNAS CON EL MISMO ESCENARIO; POR FAVOR SI
> ALGUIEN SABE QUE RANGO 
> >INDICAN LAS INSIGNIAS EN EL UNIFORME DEL SEGUNDO
> MILITAR, EN EL CUELLO 
> >SON LAS LETRAS CP ¿SERA "CAPITAN PRIMERO"?, EL
> PRIMERO, MI TIO-
> >BISABUELO, TIENE UNA ESPADA, ¿A QUE RANGO SE LE
> DABA ESE TIPO DE 
> >ESPADA? SE QUE EL LLEGO A TENIENTE CORONEL EN EL
> EJERCITO DEL 
> >MAXIMIANO CALLES DURANTE LA GUERRA CRISTERA. EL
>

Hello friends,
Just a note to say congratulations on all of your great work.
We have been w/o our DSL connection for a month, and so I haven't been 
able to keep up with all of your contributions. I get to read a little 
bit when I go to the library - but I can only get internet access for 
30 minutes per library visit - not near enough time to read everything. 
I am up to Nov. 10. I sure hope they are able to fix our connection 
soon as I dearly miss reading of all the research.
Y'all take care - belated Happy Thanksgiving.
Natalie

HOLA TODOS, LOS INVITO A ECHAR UN OJO A MIS FOTOS EN LINKS PHOTOS-
MEMBERS SECCION, ME INTERESA QUE LAS OBSERVEN, QUIZA USTEDES TENGAN 
ALGUNAS CON EL MISMO ESCENARIO; POR FAVOR SI ALGUIEN SABE QUE RANGO 
INDICAN LAS INSIGNIAS EN EL UNIFORME DEL SEGUNDO MILITAR, EN EL CUELLO 
SON LAS LETRAS CP ¿SERA "CAPITAN PRIMERO"?, EL PRIMERO, MI TIO-
BISABUELO, TIENE UNA ESPADA, ¿A QUE RANGO SE LE DABA ESE TIPO DE 
ESPADA? SE QUE EL LLEGO A TENIENTE CORONEL EN EL EJERCITO DEL 
MAXIMIANO CALLES DURANTE LA GUERRA CRISTERA. EL SEGUNDO MILITAR, DEL 
CUAL NO CONOZCO EL NOMBRE, TIENE EL MISMO TIPO DE UNIFORME, DEL 
EJERCITO DE CALLES. CUALQUIER INFORMACION LA APRECIO MUCHO. HASTA 
LUEGO, LETICIA LEON

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The City of Colotlan was segregated Spanish/Native
Indians, when did the segregation end?  I noticed our
family started to mix with the Indios in the early to
mid-1800's.  

What small battles took place near and around the
city?

What type of life did women have to endure during the
late 1700's, early 1800's in regards to family,
survival, work?

What type of education was provided during the 1800's?

What is the most significant tragedy that stands out
in Colotlan's history as well as a joyous occasion
that that will always be remembered or stand out in
history?

Well I could keep going with many questions but then
the interview would go on for two days!

Carol

--- Joseph Puentes  wrote:

> great questions thanks Ed. . .I'll be using many if
> not all.
> 
> thanks,
> 
> joseph
> 
> 
> 
> Edward Serros

These are great questions!  Some of my questions are:

The City of Colotlan was segregated Spanish/Native
Indians, when did the segregation end?  I noticed our
family started to mix with the Indios in the early to
mid-1800's.  

What small battles took place near and around the
city?

What type of life did women have to endure during the
late 1700's, early 1800's in regards to family,
survival, work?

What type of education was provided during the 1800's?

What is the most significant tragedy that stands out
in Colotlan's history as well as a joyous occasion
that that will always be remembered or stand out in
history?

Well I could keep going with many questions but then
the interview would go on for two days!

Carol

--- Joseph Puentes  wrote:

> great questions thanks Ed. . .I'll be using many if
> not all.
> 
> thanks,
> 
> joseph
> 
> 
> 
> Edward Serros wrote:
> 
> >--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes
>  wrote:
> >  
> >
> >>All the Colotlan and