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Arturo,
Oh, how I wish I could go with you to see that researcher. My father
was related to both the De La Torres and Berumens and collaterally to the Haros. Maybe he could help me find records on my father and his mother. My husband is related to the De Leons in Jalisco. Soon I will be updating and posting my husband's tree, and I will send a link to it on World Connect. Emilie Garcia
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I have been corresponding with this man for the last week and I will
be meeting with him during my upcoming trip to
Mexico. He has
proposed doing research in the Zacatecas state archives for a monthly
stipend. I was wondering if there is anybody who is intereste and
would be willing to "try him out". His
Well, John and Helyn,My father and his mother continue to elude me, but maybe they are helping me to help others. Little voices just keep telling me to look in the state death records or in the IGI under different spellings. I cannot recreate how I do it; it seems to be intuitive. Now if I could only get that inspiration on my own elusive relatives. By the way, John, you may be
on your way to finding the Cerros all the way back to Spain. The original name was Del Cerro over there. Doesn't "cerro" mean "mountain"?Emilie----- Original Message -----From: Santos LunaSent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 7:23 PMSubject: Re: [ranchos] Priciliano Cerro GodinaJohn:I agree with you about Emilie, she is one of the
Angels.This year
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Well, John and Helyn,
My father and his mother continue to elude me, but maybe they are helping
me to help others. Little voices just keep telling me to look in the state death records or in the IGI under different spellings. I cannot recreate how I do it; it seems to be intuitive. Now if I could only get that inspiration on my own elusive relatives. By the way, John, you may be on your way to finding the Cerros all the way back to Spain. The original name was Del Cerro over there. Doesn't "cerro" mean "mountain"? Emilie
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I have been corresponding with this man for the last week and I will be meeting with him during my upcoming trip to Mexico. He has proposed doing research in the Zacatecas state archives for a monthly stipend. I was wondering if there is anybody who is intereste and would be willing to "try him out". His name is Leonardo de La Torre Berumen and he is the municipal archivist in Jerez. From: leonardo de la torre [mailto:leon_torre@...] Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 8:21 PM To: arturo_ramos@... Subject: RE: Investigaciones Genealogicas Señor Ramos si gusta nos vemos en Colotlàn, porque a Zacatecas se hacen como 2 horas y media de distancia, lo que le pediria si gusta que platiquemos largo y tendido como decimos los mexicanos puedo quedarme allà en hotel, no se con comida pasaje y hotel le parecen unos 800 pesos en moneda mexicana, y ya si le interesa el trabajo, puedo trabajarle a Usted por mensualidades de 200 dolares para sacarle todo lo que le interese sobre familias que
Hi Emilie:You are right!!! The Genealogy Gods are still
with me and you must be one of their Angels!If we had a prize or title "Researcher of the Year" I would certainly nominate you for it. The things you do are nothing short of AMAZING.!!!That IS my grandfather from Pánuco, Zacatecas. I knew it the instant I saw the last name "Godina".Thank you.----- Original Message -----From: Emilie GarciaSent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 2:52 PMSubject: [ranchos] Priciliano Cerro Godina
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Hi Emilie: RIGHT AGAIN!!! That is my mother's record. It looks like whoever gave the information (probably my younger brother) got the year wrong. My father was born in 1906 and we always knew that my mother was three years older than he. Thank you.
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Hi Emilie: You are right!!! The Genealogy Gods are still with me and you must be one of their Angels! If we had a prize or title "Researcher of the Year" I would certainly nominate you for it. The things you do are nothing short of AMAZING.!!! That IS my grandfather from Pánuco, Zacatecas. I knew it the instant I saw the last name "Godina". Thank you.
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Hi Arturo:
Thank you for the very useful
information. I'll be ordering the films in the very near future.
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John, could this be your mother? The birth date is 1906, not |
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John, Have you seen this entry in the Family Search IGI for a Prisciliano Cerro Godina born in Panuco? If this is yours, then the Gods are still with you. Emilie Garcia Port Orchard, WA ---
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John,
My roots also seem to lead to Panuco, since that is where the original
Olagues were from before they came to Jerez and Tepetongo. I too have met a roadblock and dead end with my father's maternal side. Emilie Garcia
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There also appears to be films for the civil registry for that year. Registros civiles del municipio de Ciudad Garcia 1861-1920 Authors Ciudad Garcia (Zacatecas). Registro Civil (Main Author) Nacimientos 1903-1904 FHL INTL Film 1081921 Registros parroquiales, 1648-1961 Authors Iglesia Catolica. Inmaculada (Jerez, Zacatecas) Bautismos 1899-1903 FHL INTL Film 439867 Bautismos 1903-1907 FHL INTL Film 439868 --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alberto Duartewrote: > > John: > I've seen Jerez baptism records from the late 1800s to > the early 1900s. I requested these records > (microfiche) a couple of years ago from our local LSD > library. So they do exist. > > Alberto Duarte Prieto > Santa Maria, California > > --- John Gonzalez 1gnzlz@v...> wrote: > > > Hi Emilie: > > > > It was my mother who was born in Zacatecas. I > > remember her talking about being born in "Minillas > > de Jerez" in 1903. She found out that there were no > > records for
John, approximately 12 years ago I met a gentleman from the Somos Primos genealogical group at the Westwood Latter Day Saints library. I don't remember his name but he was a distant relative of my wife Rebeca Gutierrez Gonzalez; although she did not remember him. He told me he also was from the same Gonzales-Casillas family branch from Los Altos, like my wife. He helped me to interpret a 1797 Jerez marriage document written in Spanish. Anyway, this gentleman had genealogical charts of over 2200 past relatives that started in Los Altos and went all the way back to to the year 1200 in Spain. If you are able contact him, I'm sure he would be more that happy to share his findings with you. Also, the gentlemen looked like an Anglo (typical of many of those from Los Altos, fair, tall, blue eyes); his English and Spanish were excellent and he seemed very well educated, and friendly. He told me that he lived in San Fernando Valley and was a software programmer. If you contact the
John: I've seen Jerez baptism records from the late 1800s to the early 1900s. I requested these records (microfiche) a couple of years ago from our local LSD library. So they do exist. Alberto Duarte Prieto Santa Maria, California --- John Gonzalez 1gnzlz@...> wrote: > Hi Emilie: > > It was my mother who was born in Zacatecas. I > remember her talking about being born in "Minillas > de Jerez" in 1903. She found out that there were no > records for that period when she tried to establish > her legal status in the U.S. (legal resident) . I > believe she had an affidavit from Jerez, stating > that there were no records of her birth in 1903 > because they had been destroyed by fire. > > She died in Lodi, California, about 25 years ago. > I have tried to find some of her personal papers, > like birth certificate, marriage certificate, > passport, Green Card, without success. I asked my > brothers and sisters, but nobody seems to know what > happened to all of her papers. >
Linda, What is it that you want to know about the chocolateria? I have family in Guadalajara that I could ask. Maria --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Linda R Romerowrote: > > Is anyone on this list familiar enough with Guadalajara to have > information on this chocolateria? > > La Sultana Gran Chocolateria, Molino y Tostador De > Cafe. It was located Av. Alvaro Obregon 295 in Guadalajara. Aurelio > Reyes, Villasenor is also on the letterhead. It was established in > 1900. My parents were there in 1941. I believe it was owned by > members of the de la Torre family. > > Adolfo de la Torre owned several ranches around Guadalajara and > Tepatitlan de Morelos. His sister, Sophia de la Torre married > Castulo Romero, a tailor from Guadalajara. They lived in Tepatitlan > de Morelos ca. 1890-1910. > > Thank you. > > Linda Romero >
Is anyone on this list familiar enough with Guadalajara to have
information on this chocolateria?
La Sultana Gran Chocolateria, Molino y Tostador De Cafe. It was located Av. Alvaro Obregon 295 in Guadalajara. Aurelio
Reyes, Villasenor is also on the letterhead. It was established in
1900. My parents were there in 1941. I believe it was owned by
members of the de la Torre family.
Adolfo de la Torre owned several ranches around Guadalajara and
Tepatitlan de Morelos. His sister, Sophia de la Torre married
Castulo Romero, a tailor from Guadalajara. They lived in Tepatitlan
de Morelos ca. 1890-1910.
Thank you. Linda Romero
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Emilie: It is probably the "Magic" of the Season...I can't think of a better Christmas present.
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Hi Emilie:
It was my mother who was born in Zacatecas. I
remember her talking about being born in "Minillas de Jerez" in 1903. She found out that there were no records for that period when she tried to establish her legal status in the U.S. (legal resident) . I believe she had an affidavit from Jerez, stating that there were no records of her birth in 1903 because they had been destroyed by fire. She died in Lodi, California, about 25 years
ago. I have tried to find some of her personal papers, like birth certificate, marriage certificate, passport, Green Card, without success. I asked my brothers and sisters, but nobody seems to know what happened to all of her papers. Her parents were: Preciliano Cerros and Apolonia
Gonzalez. I remember hearing my grandfather talking about Pánuco but I was too young to remember what he said about it. The name stuck to the back of my mind. I am almost ready to start researching her side of
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John,
The link sent by Jose Munoz was of great interest to me because my
husband's maternal grandfather was a Chihuahua (Ciudad de Chihuahua) policeman, a "federal", born in 1853, died in 1951, chased "el Indio Victorio" all over the place, never caught him. I have one picture of him in his uniform, which is very, very different from the ones worn by Leticia's ancestors (it looks more like the uniform worn by the soldiers of the Confederate States of America in the 1860's, light colored with a cap). Unfortunately, in the picture, he is seated holding one of his infant daughters and his left breast is obscured by the child, so I can't see a badge. The photo is very faint in some places, but I can make out the insignia on the cap clearly: it is two light colored bars (vertical----gold or silver?) with a dark bar in the middle. The insignia on the shoulder is too faint to make out. My husband is taking his nightly nap right now (I've been up all night putting up |
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John,
1467!!!! Sixteen generations!!! My God, you lead a charmed
life. Only five months into your research, and you have found so much. How I (and the rest) envy you. With your membership in this group, maybe some of your luck will rub off on us. Emilie Garcia
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John,
So your grandmother was born in Jerez in 1903 and you say the records were
"destroyed"? My father was born in Jerez also in 1903, and when we went there to try to get a birth record the priest at the church told him that the records for 1903 had been "burned" (I presumed that happened around 1910-1916 when my father and his father left Mexico forever because the fighting was so horrendous there during the Revolution. What were you told about how the records were destroyed? Please let me know if you find anything on those born in Jerez in 1903. I recently posted a link to my Olague-Tinajero [Felix] tree that I updated on World Connect. Did you see it? My maternal grandmother was Gorgonia Garcia and her parents were Ignacio
Garcia and Maria Guadalupe Rodriguez. I have not found a thing on them yet in the IGI, and I am assuming they were from Jerez, since my father Guadalupe Olague was born there, but his father Francisco Olague was born, as were all his |