Toribio Romo -- Mexico's Ghostly Benefactor of Illegal Aliens!

Irma--
 
No, I don't have the surname Romo in my lines.  It is my husband's
ancestors, the Garcias, who are light skinned, tall, light haired, and
hazel-eyed or blue eyed Tapatios from Jalisco.  The photo of the saint in
the article for which I sent a link bears a striking resemblance to my husband,
his father, and his great-grandmother, Marciana Cervantes.  I have traced
some of the Garcias who married into the Calzada family that were from Rincon de
Romos.  My husband's gggg-grandfather Cayetano Garcia married Anna Cleta
Calzada.  Marciana Cervantes was descended from Patricio Martines [Martin]
who married Maria Maxima Duron; they were also from Rincon de Romos.  In
between there were Aguirres, Albas, Gonzaleses, Moroneses, Ornelases.  The
closest surname to Romo in my husband's lines is one Roman. 
 
I was just amazed that someone surnamed Romo from Jalostitlan could look so
much like my husband's Garcia-Cervantes family from Encarnacion de Diaz in
Jalisco.  People

Los Cuervos?

David,
 
Thanks for that information regarding the ''Ranchos Los Cuervos.'' That gives me something to go on until this Wednesday when I review the films that have just arrived at my Fremont FHC for the marriage of Prudencio de Olmos and Juana de Jauregui in Nochistlan Zac in the year 1857.
 
Unfortunately I don't know Bernie or Esther Olmos, do you know where their descendants came from?
 
Alicia Carrillo de San Jose Ca

"David P. Delgado" wrote:

Alicia,

I looked in Garcia Cubas' "Diccionario..." and found three ranchos named los Cuervos.  1. Rancho en la municipalidad de Huejúcar octavo cantón (Colotlán) estado de Jalisco.  2.  Rancho de municipalidad de Tepetongo, partido Jerez, estado de Jalisco.  3.  Rancho de municipalidad de Mátape, Distrito de Ures, Sonora.  Hope this helps.

PS: Do you by any chance know a Bernie Olmos or his wife, Esther?  She still works in public schools in ESUHSD and he went out of SJ to continue as an administrator?  Just curious.

David in

"Ranchos Support Fund"

Joseph,
 
This is a tough one for us to call being that very few members have ever met each other and for the most part all we know about each other is that we are Mexican Ancestry Researchers. We also know that we like to eat Capirotada, Nopales and Mole. We know that some speak and read spanish better than others and that some speak no spanish at all but can read it. We know that some are better at doing their research and some of us are slower than others.
 
So what do you think we can deduce from this data in terms of managing money, having good judgement regarding financial needs, accounting and money distribution.
 
Could we possibly ask the members who might be interested to submit a brief bio to tell us what their qualifications are and then we can take a vote. Some people have worked managing money and people. Some people have not worked in finance but have done a good job managing families, money and making monetary decisions regarding their families. I would think that a

photos

thank you Joseph, I`ll try it

Joseph Puentes escribió:
there are many places on the web where you can do this free. Here is a
site I use: http://www.webshots.com/

sign up for the free not the premium account. You would then either send
the link to your photos to the group or put a link to your photos in the
"links" area of the group. Try it I think you'll like this service.

here is my site:

http://community.webshots.com/user/joseph27703

joseph

ps: to answer you question directly. Ranchos photo section is full and
we don't use ranchos2 for photos.

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Entrevista: 1550: Suave!!!

Sure Joseph, it would be a great and
exciting experience and I'll be more than glad to do it. To be able to talk
to those authors ,  live,  is an opprtunity of a lifetime. 
I am sure  we  will learn a lot from them.
Just let me know when you get all set to conduct
the interviews.
 
John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA
 
John, something for you to think about. Your Spanish is excellent and it
looks like you highly value these books. Why not lets consider you interviewing
those authors both for Ranchos benefit but also for my Nuestra Familia Unida
Podcast? If you might be interested this is how it would work. I would call you
and then call the author via a 3-way call. I would join in to exchange
pleasantries but when the Interview were to start I would be silent and you
would interview the author while I record it on my end.

If you think
this is something you'd be interested in pursuing I would try to find the
author's contact info and set the "entrevista" up. We would

Los Cuervos?

Alicia,

I looked in Garcia Cubas' "Diccionario..." and found three ranchos named los Cuervos.  1. Rancho en la municipalidad de Huejúcar octavo cantón (Colotlán) estado de Jalisco.  2.  Rancho de municipalidad de Tepetongo, partido Jerez, estado de Jalisco.  3.  Rancho de municipalidad de Mátape, Distrito de Ures, Sonora.  Hope this helps.

PS: Do you by any chance know a Bernie Olmos or his wife, Esther?  She still works in public schools in ESUHSD and he went out of SJ to continue as an administrator?  Just curious.

David in Albany, CA

-----Original Message-----
From: Alicia Carrillo 
Sent: Nov 27, 2005 8:43 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Los Cuervos?

Does anyone know where Los Cuervos might be located or might have been located back in the early 1800's? I have a tia who is 83 years old and she was in San Jose this Thanksgiving weekend and mentioned that she had heard that my GGGrandfather Prudencio Olmos had split from the Olmos family back in

Entrevista: 1550: Suave!!!





John Gonzalez wrote:

Hi Irma:
 
Thank you for the encouragement to
keep on digging the roots...It is  like a vitamin pill to keep me going.
There are a couple of books,
that I have,  that cover Jose Maria Gonzalez de Hermosillo.  The first
one, "Biografia de Don Jose Gonzalez de Hermosillo - General
Insurgente" Written by Nicolas de Anda Sanchez" The author claims that
he ( Hermosillo) was from Teocaltiche, Jalisco. 
 The second book:  "Jalostotitlan
a Traves de Los Siglos" by Jose Antonio Gutierrez Gutierrez,  has a
more detailed and complete history of not only Jalostotilan,  but of
the entire region called "Nueva Galicia".  In this book the author
claims that  Hermosillo was from Jalostotitlan.  I highly recommend
this book to all the members since it has maps showing the following:
Naciones Indigenas del Norte, from Durango, Saltillo in the North, to
Guadalajara and Queretato to the South.

Hey John, something for you to think about. Your Spanish is

Toribio Romo -- Mexico's Ghostly Benefactor of Illegal Aliens!

Hi Emilie:

 

Thank you for the link.  I read the article 
and found it amusing.  I wonder what the author was smoking or drinking
when he wrote it.

 


John Gonzalez

Wildomar, CA.


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Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 1:50
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Subject: [ranchos] Toribio Romo --
Mexico's Ghostly Benefactor of Illegal Aliens!


 


 

 

John,

 

I had never heard of the saint you are related to, so I started browsing
the internet



relatives who may or may not be related

Very sage advice, Alberto.  I wish that I had heard it
when I first began my research. 
I have a funny story about being told that I wasn't related
to a particular group of people that had my same surname, Gomez in Los
Altos.  My dad and his brother even went to blows over this.  My
uncle claimed they weren't, and my dad said they were.  They are related,
but my dad and uncle never wanted to claim them because they had a reputation
for marrying cousins that were a little too closely related, even in their day
(1950's)  when there were more people to choose spouses from.  I found
the connection, and one of my cousins (on my mother's side of the family)--you
guessed it!  Yep, she married one.  My mother has their wedding
picture.  Hopefully I'll meet him face to face some day when I go on
my next visit to Mexico.  I don't see a ressemblance, other than the usual
alteno features, but then he might be a "more pure" version of my Gomez
line.  :)
Irma



From: ranchos

Toribio Romo -- Mexico's Ghostly Benefactor of Illegal Aliens!

Don't assume anything.

Approximately, 14 years ago when I started my
genealogy research, I got a long list of all those
with the last name of Duarte from our local LDS
library, that dated back to 1496, from the state of
Zacatecas.  I assumed that I was not related to those
Duartes that were not from Jerez (that's where my
grandfather was born).  After about 10 years of
researching, I proved myself wrong, dead wrong---I
found out that I was related to over half of the early
Duartes from Zacatecas, and many of them were from
various different towns and ranches, other than Jerez!


This was not the first time that I assumed the I was
not related to an individual with the same last name
(Prieto), but later again, I proved myself wrong.

Alberto Duarte Prieto.


--- Irma GomezLucero  wrote:

> Santo Toribio has many of the features that are
> commonly seen in Romos
> even of today.  My aunt married a Romo, and many of
> my cousins have a
> striking ressemblance (mostly

1550: Suave!!!

Hi Irma:
 
Thank you for the encouragement to keep on
digging the roots...It is  like a vitamin pill to keep me
going.
There are a couple of books, that I have,
 that cover Jose Maria Gonzalez de Hermosillo.  The first one,
"Biografia de Don Jose Gonzalez de Hermosillo - General Insurgente" Written by
Nicolas de Anda Sanchez" The author claims that he ( Hermosillo) was from
Teocaltiche, Jalisco. 
 The second book:  "Jalostotitlan a
Traves de Los Siglos" by Jose Antonio Gutierrez Gutierrez,  has a more
detailed and complete history of not only Jalostotilan,  but of the
entire region called "Nueva Galicia".  In this book the author claims that
 Hermosillo was from Jalostotitlan.  I highly recommend this book to
all the members since it has maps showing the following: Naciones Indigenas del
Norte, from Durango, Saltillo in the North, to Guadalajara and Queretato to the
South.
 A map labeled: La Gran Chichimeca En el
Siglo XVI.  What is iteresting about this map is that it

"Ranchos Support Fund"

Well there hasn't been any other nominations for the Support Fund
committee. I'm not going to go through with this without at least 3
members on the committee.  I'll wait another 2 weeks and we'll have to
abandon the idea then if no nominations come forth because I'm not
going to do this because of conflict of interest.



it has been very nice and i want to thank all the members willing to
monetarily support this potential project.



thanks,



joseph





Irma GomezLucero wrote:

Gotcha.  I can kick in some
money.  Just let us us know when & where to send.
Thanks, Irma



From:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of
Joseph Puentes

Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 12:59 PM

To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [ranchos] "Ranchos Support Fund"






Irma GomezLucero wrote:

Hi Joseph,
    What would these funds be used
for.  I'm not real clear on this...

Well the support committee would be making the final

"Ranchos Support Fund"

Gotcha.  I can kick in some money.  Just let us
us know when & where to send.
Thanks, Irma



From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joseph
Puentes
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 12:59 PM
To:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] "Ranchos Support
Fund"



Irma GomezLucero wrote:

Hi Joseph,
   
What would these funds be used
for.  I'm not real clear on this...

Well
the support committee would be making the final decision on that. But my reason
for suggesting the funds creation was to have small stipends available to send
to members of the Ranchos group that found themselves in need. And for causes
that would directly benefit the purpose of the Ranchos group. We would all be
able to submit suggestions for the use of the funds but the committee would make
the final decision on the distribution.

joseph

Irma



From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Joseph Puentes
Sent: Tuesda

photos

there are many places on the web where you can do this free. Here is a
site I use: http://www.webshots.com/



sign up for the free not the premium account. You would then either
send the link to your photos to the group or put a link to your photos
in the "links" area of the group. Try it I think you'll like this
service.



here is my site:



http://community.webshots.com/user/joseph27703



joseph



ps: to answer you question directly. Ranchos photo section is full and
we don't use ranchos2 for photos.



lili pinzon wrote:

where may I create a photo album, ranchos  o ranchos 2? Thank you 
Joseph





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1550: Suave!!!

Bravo John!  Very interesting research, so much in
such a short time.  Keep us apprised of what you find on Jose Maria
Gonz de Hermo., and the Gonzales clan.  I've read the same about both towns
claiming him.  There is a book on the subject--I skimmed through it a
while back.  Maybe someone else can remember the book. 
As far as the Vallejo clan & Mariano
Vallejo. ..  Have you been to Sonoma where his family
lived.  You can tour the  Home where the Vallejos lived during
the Bear Flag Rebellion.  The home which is now a museum has a lot of
interesting history on his family.  It is just outside of the town in
Sonoma--just North West of Sacramento.  I seem to recall that his family
came via Guadalajara.  Don't recall where he & his wife Benicia
(the town of Benicia is name after her) were married.  I remember reading
something about his Vallejos being from Guadalajara at their home in
Sonoma.  There is also a group that researches Californio
families.  I've seen it in

Toribio Romo -- Mexico's Ghostly Benefactor of Illegal Aliens!

Santo Toribio has many of the features that are
commonly seen in Romos even of today.  My aunt married a Romo, and many of
my cousins have a striking ressemblance (mostly the beautiful eyes-whether they
be brown/green/blue) to Santo Toribio.  Since they haven't done any
research, I've been trying to figure out any connections for them.  In
doing this, I was able to tie in my dad's side of the family to Santo
Toribio's mother who is NOT a Romo.  This is how I came to "meet" John
G.  I still have more work to do on my Romos & my cousin's.  I
also thought that my Santa Ana Romos would tie into Rincon de Romos.  My
cousins claim that their father often told them they weren't related to the
Romos of Santa Ana--that they were from San Luis Potosi.  I just think that
their features are a bit too much to ignore.  Gotta go and dig some
more....
Emilie, am I understanding that you have Romo too, and that
you tied into the Romos in Rincon de Romos?  Just wondering...  I know
there

"Ranchos Support Fund"

Me too.

Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, California
--- Alicia Carrillo  wrote:

> I hope everyone had or is still having a good
> holiday and I too contribute $25.00 to the support
> fund. Just let me know where and when to send it.
>  
> Con mis mejores deseos para todos........Alicia
> Carrillo de San Jose, Ca
> 
> Olivia Jaurequi-Reyes 
> wrote:
> Joseph,
> If all are in agreement I think this is a good idea.
>  You can count me for a $25 pledge.
> 
> Olivia
> So. Calif.
> 
> Joseph Puentes  wrote:For now we
> are over a hundred members strong. I would like to
> run 
> something past you that is open for discussion.
> Would anyone object to 
> having a completely optional "Ranchos Support Fund"?
> 
> I was thinking if a few of us sent in a few buck we
> might be able to 
> have $100 stipends available to send off to members
> that are in need or 
> for projects that are supportive of the Ranchos
> Group. This effort would 
> need a

Toribio Romo -- Mexico's Ghostly Benefactor of Illegal Aliens!

It's called faith and we have it.

Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, California

--- Emilie Garcia  wrote:

> 
>
http://www.viewzone.com/gene01.htmlhttp://www.viewzone.com/gene01.html>
> 
> 
> John,
> 
> I had never heard of the saint you are related to,
> so I started browsing the internet for information
> on him, and I found this interesting article (check
> link above).  What was fascinating to me is the
> picture of Toribio Romo.  He bears a striking
> resemblance to my husband, his father, and his
> great-grandmother Marciana Cervantes who was from
> Encarnacion de Diaz in Jalisco and whose ancestors I
> have traced to Rincon de Romos in Aguascalientes
> which is just south of our areas of interest in
> Zacatecas.  
> 
> How lucky you are to have traced your ancestors back
> to 1550; I've been working so hard for over five
> YEARS and have only found our people back to the
> early 1700's. Was Santo Toribio Romo perhaps guiding
> you?  The article goes into a

photos

where may I create a photo album, ranchos  o ranchos 2? Thank you 
Joseph




Toribio Romo -- Mexico's Ghostly Benefactor of Illegal Aliens!

 
 
 
John,
 
I had never heard of the saint you are related to, so I started browsing
the internet for information on him, and I found this interesting article (check
link above).  What was fascinating to me is the picture of Toribio
Romo.  He bears a striking resemblance to my husband, his father, and his
great-grandmother Marciana Cervantes who was from Encarnacion de Diaz in Jalisco
and whose ancestors I have traced to Rincon de Romos in Aguascalientes which is
just south of our areas of interest in Zacatecas. 
 
How lucky you are to have traced your ancestors back to 1550; I've been
working so hard for over five YEARS and have only found our people back to
the early 1700's. Was Santo Toribio Romo perhaps guiding you?  The article
goes into a deep discussion about guardian angels, etc. all the way back in
history even before the Hebrews. 
 
May Santo Toribio help us all in meeting our goals as he has helped others
of our people.
 

Los Cuervos?

Does anyone know where Los Cuervos might be located or might have been located back in the early 1800's? I have a tia who is 83 years old and she was in San Jose this Thanksgiving weekend and mentioned that she had heard that my GGGrandfather Prudencio Olmos had split from the Olmos family back in the early 1800's and that as a result of that split there may have been two separate Olmos families that originated in Los Cuervos. One branch stayed put and the other was established in Nochistlan Zac. but she doesn't know if Los Cuervos is in Jalisco, Zacatecas or Aguascalientes.

Thanks, any help would be appreciated........Alicia Carrillo........San Jose, Ca

 

Jose Luis Vasquez

Joseph,
 
Jose Luis Vasquez de Frias is the gentleman I tried to contact to see if he would be willing to interview for your podcast series. He wrote a book, ''Geneaologia de Nochistlan''. I tried making contact with him via expired e-mail addresses and was un-successful on all attempts.
 
Alicia Carrillo, San Jose, Ca
 

Joseph Puentes wrote:

His name is so right on the end of my memory lobe. . .ah, who is he
again? An Author, que no?

Well here I go getting nosey. . .what are you contacting him for? Well
forget that question. If you do get ahold of him maybe you can mention
to him that I would like to invite him to visit the
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com podcast. Maybe he would consider working
on a submission to the project.

thanks Charles,

joseph

Charles Clark wrote:

>Does anyone know Jose Luis Vasquez y Rodriguez de Frias' current e-mail and
>postal address, and telephone number? Please send. I lost his book and would
>like to replace it.
>
>Sincerely,
>
> 
>



Digest Number 676

Hello Charles,
 
If you make contact with Jose Luis Vasquez via this address, could you please let us know if you did, as I had tried to contact him through various old e-mail addresses he had posted on roots-web and all of them were invalid.
 
Thanks, Alicia Carrillo de San Jose, Ca

readysetgo95814 wrote:

Hi Charles,

This is the e-mail address I have for Jose Luis: 
asturias_vazquez@...

It may or may not be current since I haven't corresponded with him in
a couple of years.

Maria

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Charles Clark" wrote:
>
> Does anyone know Jose Luis Vasquez y Rodriguez de Frias' current e-
mail and
> postal address, and telephone number? Please send. I lost his book
and would
> like to replace it.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Charles Clark
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 5:40 AM
> Subject: [ranchos] Digest Number 676
>
>
>
> There are 15 messages in this issue.
>
>

Jose Luis Vasquez

His name is so right on the end of my memory lobe. . .ah, who is he
again? An Author, que no?


Well here I go getting nosey. . .what are you contacting him for? Well
forget that question. If you do get ahold of him maybe you can mention
to him that I would like to invite him to visit the
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com podcast. Maybe he would consider working
on a submission to the project.


thanks Charles,

joseph

Charles Clark wrote:

Does anyone know Jose Luis Vasquez y Rodriguez de Frias' current e-mail and
postal address, and telephone number? Please send. I lost his book and would
like to replace it.


Sincerely,