Nuestros Ranchos Site

I will pledge $100. Let me know when and where to send it.

Ed

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Mary Allen  wrote:
>
> A good idea. I pledge $25.00.   Mary Garana Allen
> 
> Richard and Kitty Cortez  wrote:Joseph, when I was working I was in charge 
of the weekly football 
> pool, so I feel I could handle the Ranchos Support Fund if we decide 
> to go thru with this.  Thank you for your confidence in my ability.  
> Rich and I can also pledge $25.00

Joseph, when I was working I was in charge of the weekly football 
pool, so I feel I could handle the Ranchos Support Fund if we decide 
to go thru with this.  Thank you for your confidence in my ability.  
Rich and I can also pledge $25.00, but let it be known that others 
can pledge $1.00, $10.00 or whatever they feel comfortable.  Some of 
us retired folks are on fixed incomes. 

Happy Thanksgiving to all

Kitty
Rocklin, CA



--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
>
> For now we are over a hundred members strong.  I would like to run 
> something past you that is open for discussion. Would anyone 
object to 
> having a completely optional "Ranchos Support Fund"?
> 
> I was thinking if a few of us sent in a few buck we might be able 
to 
> have $100 stipends available to send off to members that are in 
need or 
> for projects that are supportive of the Ranchos Group. This effort 
would 
> need a volunteer "use" committee which would have at least 3

The time and date are:  December 3rd at 11:30 am.

You are all invited.  If any of you get the urge to hop on a plane 
and meet us in Sacramento you are more than welcome.

Maria

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, robert hernandez  
wrote:
>
>   The Sacramento meeting place is Vallejo's Restaurant 1331 O 
street (14th and O). Attached is a link to a map. When you open link 
just plug in your specific starting address. This should render turn 
by turn directions. By the way, the owner is from Jalostitlan and 
proud of it.
>   
>  
>   http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?address=14th%20St%20%26%20O%
20St&city=Sacramento&state=CA&zipcode=95814&country=US&title=14th%
20St%20%26amp%3b%20O%20St%20Sacramento%2c%20CA%2095814%2c%
20US&cid=lfmaplink2
> 
> 
> readysetgo95814  wrote:
>   Robert, Irma and Alicia:
> 
> I am just delighted to have enough interest.  I think we should 
time 
> it around Alicia's schedule since she is the one who has the longer 
> drive.  I

Ed/Alberto:

As an aside, the Mexican presidential mansion in Chapultepec is 
called "Los Pinos"

I too recall reading about the heavy logging that occured in the 
Sierra de Mixton near Tlaltenango early on and I know that today this 
is one of the central problems that the Wirrarika (Huichol) have with 
incursion on their lands... illegal logging.  The Sierra Huichol is 
perhaps one of the few dense forests left in the area... largely 
because of inaccessability.

Also, as another aside... the currently mainstream reason for the 
collpse of Maya civilaztion is deforestation.  The population had 
grown so dense that vast parts of the Yucatan and Guatemala were 
cleared for agriculture leading to all sorts of ecological problems 
which eventually led to catastrophe and the abandonment of the cities.

So the Spanish were not the only ones who were careless with natural 
resources.

The U.S. lumber industry is heavily pushing U.S.-style residential 
construction in Mexico in hopes that it

Not surprisingly, Mexico is one of the two biggest
customers for our forest products.  Japan, I believe
is number one.

Alberto Duarte
Santa Maria, California

--- Edward Serros  wrote:

> Arturo,
> 
> In my readings on Mexico, I have been impressed with
> the deforestation of the ranchos 
> areas and farther north. All of this excessive
> deforestation may partly account for the 
> present "low yield" nature of the land, not that it
> was real good anyway. It reminds me of 
> the cedars of Lebanon, which used to cover Lebanon.
> Now Lebanon has nothing to speak 
> of since most, if not all, of the trees were used in
> various projects, including ship-
> building, centuries ago. Any comments?
> 
> Our Spanish ancestors had only one thing in mind
> sometimes: gold. Unfortunately, the 
> environmental impact may have been huge and
> deleterious.
> 
> Oh yeah, our Spanish ancestors had another thing on
> their mind: women.
> 
> Ed
> 
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos

Arturo,

In my readings on Mexico, I have been impressed with the deforestation of the ranchos 
areas and farther north. All of this excessive deforestation may partly account for the 
present "low yield" nature of the land, not that it was real good anyway. It reminds me of 
the cedars of Lebanon, which used to cover Lebanon. Now Lebanon has nothing to speak 
of since most, if not all, of the trees were used in various projects, including ship-
building, centuries ago. Any comments?

Our Spanish ancestors had only one thing in mind sometimes: gold. Unfortunately, the 
environmental impact may have been huge and deleterious.

Oh yeah, our Spanish ancestors had another thing on their mind: women.

Ed

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos"  wrote:
>
> Joseph et al:
> 
> I have been working on a lumber case for the past four years and know 
> way more that I ever cared to know about species of trees, so when I 
> saw your question I got curious.  I know from

Joseph et al:

I have been working on a lumber case for the past four years and know 
way more that I ever cared to know about species of trees, so when I 
saw your question I got curious.  I know from having been in Jalisco 
that the mountainous areas are a mix of coniferous and deciduous 
forests, and that the plains are grasslands but this gives all of the 
details of the extent of those ecoregions as well as the actual 
species that grow there.  Pinus Montezumae... cool name... also known 
as Ocote as in Ocotlan, Jalisco (which literally means the place of 
Montezuma pines).

"Pine forests in Mexico grow at elevations of 2,275-2,600 m and are 
composed mainly of Pinus montezumae."

http://www.vivanatura.org/Maps%20Mexican%20ecosystems.html

The following website from Semarnat (Secretariat of Environment and 
Natural Reources) gives more details on all the major commericalized 
plant species in Mexico:

http://www.semarnat.gob.mx/pfnm/amplia.html

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com

Joseph,

For some reason I can't open the attachment. Can you save it in the 
files section?

Maria
--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
>
> In that death cert for my GGG grandfather, Tadeo Diaz. What do you 
think 
> the letters mean on the left:
> 
> M. E. ad ? is it ad or something else. I would guess the E is for 
> Espanol but what about the M and ad?
> 
> joseph
>

Edward Serros wrote:

Joseph,

Just trying to dull your "ax". I don't want you swing too hard and hurt yourself.

I'm an old woodsman from way back. I used to and still do heat a
majority of the time with a wood insert and split wood. One way to keep
from hurting yourself is to keep your Ax razor honed to make sure it
"bites" and doesn't glance off like a dull Ax is likely to do and catch
a leg. My Ax is currently ready to go, but I'm really expecting that
most on the Ax list will communicate and not stay on the list.

thanks for your concern, just trying to be fair to all.

joseph

ps: in an effort to keep this on topic, what kind of trees do they have
in Jalisco, Zacatecas and Aguascalientes.

pps: well here is a better effort. Check out this death cert for my GGG
grandfather. It seems he was a woodman too, but unfortunately he got in
the way of a Palo. That almost happened to me once. And it was one big palo!

Ed

Arturo,

I participated in the study years ago.  However, they have not started 
publishing mtDNA results yet.  They plan on publishing them to their 
website sometime next year.

I would encourage everyone to participate. You could potentially have 
your pedigree chart extended many generations by participating.  Here 
is an excerpt from their website:
"The corresponding pedigree chart is also extended by staff 
genealogists as far as genealogical databases allow; extended pedigrees 
currently include over one million ancestral records."

My brother and I both submitted our samples along with our full gedcom 
file (not just the 4 generation pedigree chart they require).  They 
hide all information on living individuals, so you don't have to worry 
about privacy.

Maria

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos"  
wrote:
>
> I am thinking of joining the study being conducted by the Sorenson 
> Genealogy Foundation.  They are basically linking documented 
>

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
>
I don't unsubscribe members becasue they 
> simply didn't submit their genealogy report. The way I figure some folks 
> are in "extreme" non participant mode and I do these "Ax" sessions on 
> average of once a year to 18 months. I think this is my 3rd go around. 
> I guarantee you that I have not unsubscribed anyone in the past that 
> didn't even email me and say something like the above. and I view them 
> as reasons not excuses. Afterall "life does happen."
> 
> I guess I am subjectively defining "participation" in this and in past 
> emails of this sort as: "Participation in the ranchos group is emailing 
> me either directly or indirectly once every year to 18 months saying you 
> have some reason why you can't send in your genealogy report."
 

Joseph,

Just trying to dull your "ax". I don't want you swing too hard and hurt yourself.


Ed

I am thinking of joining the study being conducted by the Sorenson 
Genealogy Foundation.  They are basically linking documented 
genealogies with yDNA and mtDNA markers so that people can use their 
database to get clues as to origins and to break throughbrick walls.

Has anyone looked into this or participated in this?  It is interesting 
to use their database.  I have been able to find matches for 18 of 19 
yDNA markers and the corresponding genealogies are mostly in Brazil!

http://www.smgf.com/about_smgf.html

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote>
> 
> I just looked at the group member genealogies. Here is the official 
> count: we have 109 members but only 77 genealogies. that means that 
> there are 32 members that have not turned in your representative tree 
> connecting you to our group study area. I know a good ten of you 
> possibly 15 have talked to me and bought yourself some time before the 
> official "Ax" date of January 31, 2006
> 
> Anyway if you are one of the 10-15 people that talked to me asking for 
> more time beyond the January 31, 2006 deadline then in about a month or 
> so please contact me off the list with a "reminder" that you talked to 
> me. I'm going to make up a special email folder this time around for 
> those that have communicated with me. For all other new members I just 
> want to say that "communication" will get you an extension. Lack of 
> communication will get you. . .well, I guess that's why I call it "Ax" 
> day. In the

Alicia, Leticia et al:

Humildemente me retracto de mi sugerencia anterior.  Es verdad que 
ellos vienen a nosotros... suelen venir en ocasiones inesperadas y 
siempre con algun mensaje inesperado.

La mayoria de lo que he aprendido a traves de mis investigaciones han 
sido temas que no buscaba y definitivamente mis ancestros que he 
llegado a conocer son diferentes a los que imaginaba.

Gracias por recordarnos que es necesario mantener una mente abierta y 
mucha paciencia.

p.s. Mis dos hermanas se llaman Leticia y Alicia (por coincidencia).


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alicia Carrillo  wrote:
>
> Leticia,
>  
> Muy bien dicho el que ''ellos vienen a nosotros". El hecho de 
precipitarse en cuestion de los ancestros es causa de desviacion o 
equivocacion. Debemos mantenernos abiertos mentalmente hasta que 
ellos (los ancestros) nos señalen la via correcta.
>  
> Cordialmente,
> Alicia Carrillo
> San Jose, Ca
> 
> leticia leon  wrote:
> si, he visto