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Josie,

I guess we shouldn't be surprised that some of us
are related since we are studying our
ancestors that came from the same
area. Today I checked my mtDNA results

My father and ALL his brothers are dead. My dad's sisters are all alive. Marge:)

On Nov 17, 2005, at 1:52 PM, Arturo Ramos wrote:

Margarita:



Is your father still living?  If he did the test, you would be able

to trace both his maternal (mtDNA) and paternal (yDNA) lineages.  If

your cousin Humberto did it, he would not have your father's yDNA but

would have his mtDNA, whereas if your cousin Bobby did it, he would

have your father's yDNA but not your father's mtDNA.  However, his

father (your uncle) would have the same yDNA and mtDNA as your

father.  I guess you could have to have both of them do the test...

Humberto can do the mtDNA and Bobby can do the yDNA.



If you join Gary Felix's project you can get a 12-marker yDNA for $99

and a low-resolution mtDNA for $129.  You get a discount on the yDNA

through Gary's project but not for the mtDNA (because his is a yDNA-

based project only)...



Maybe we need to start up a Mexico mtDNA project!











--- In ranchos

Hi Ranchos members,

all these new posts about dna testing jogged my memory about posting
the following offer from Sorensen:

Dear Friend of the Foundation:

The Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation (SMGF) invites you, along
with your friends and family to take advantage of a special offer. 
Starting November 7th, SMGF will be issuing a one-time coupon to
project participants for discounted genetic testing through Relative
Genetics.

Participants will be able to redeem their coupon for either:
- A discounted 26 Marker Y-chromosome Paternal Line Analysis for $95
USD OR
- A discounted mtDNA Maternal Line Analysis for $95 USD

New

Hi Ranchos members,

all these new posts about dna testing jogged my memory about posting 
the following offer from Sorensen:

Dear Friend of the Foundation:

The Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation (SMGF) invites you, along 
with your friends and family to take advantage of a special offer.  
Starting November 7th, SMGF will be issuing a one-time coupon to 
project participants for discounted genetic testing through Relative 
Genetics.

Participants will be able to redeem their coupon for either:
- A discounted 26 Marker Y-chromosome Paternal Line Analysis for $95 
USD OR
- A discounted mtDNA Maternal Line Analysis for $95 USD

New participants may take advantage of this offer by requesting a kit 
from http://smgf.org/request_a_free_kit.html.  New participants must 
submit a four-generation pedigree chart along with a mouthwash sample 
to qualify for the coupon.

Past participants may take advantage of this offer by filling out and 
submitting the online form found at 
http://www

Ed:

Have you seen the census transcription we have done for Mezquitic?  
There are lots of "Yndio" Pinedos in Mezquitic and nearby Nostic in 
that census.  You can access the file in the Ranchos2 files section 
in a folder called ZZ_Colotlan Census project.  Mezquitic is in the 
pp. 115-124 file.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Edward Serros"  wrote:
>
> Arturo,
> 
> Interesting that you should mention Bolaños silver mines in 
reference to your mtDNA and 
> our ancestors. My family's mtDNA is likely from that greater 
Bolaños mining area also. My 
> grandmother, born in Valparaiso, Zacatecas, was the illegitimate 
child of a hacendado 
> (Felguerez) and one of the servants (Pinedo). The Felguerez were 
originally in Mesquitic, 
> Jalisco and I believe were involved in the Bolaños mines not far 
away; it was there in 
> Mesquitic and later in Valparaiso, where they made their money 
after coming from 
> Asturias, Spain ~1790. Using the Mormon microfilms, I have found

Margarita:

Is your father still living?  If he did the test, you would be able 
to trace both his maternal (mtDNA) and paternal (yDNA) lineages.  If 
your cousin Humberto did it, he would not have your father's yDNA but 
would have his mtDNA, whereas if your cousin Bobby did it, he would 
have your father's yDNA but not your father's mtDNA.  However, his 
father (your uncle) would have the same yDNA and mtDNA as your 
father.  I guess you could have to have both of them do the test... 
Humberto can do the mtDNA and Bobby can do the yDNA.

If you join Gary Felix's project you can get a 12-marker yDNA for $99 
and a low-resolution mtDNA for $129.  You get a discount on the yDNA 
through Gary's project but not for the mtDNA (because his is a yDNA-
based project only)...

Maybe we need to start up a Mexico mtDNA project!





--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Margarita Vallazza  
wrote:
>
> Well, as I've said before, I can't do this test at all because me 
mum  
> wasn't

Arturo,

Interesting that you should mention Bolaños silver mines in reference to your mtDNA and 
our ancestors. My family's mtDNA is likely from that greater Bolaños mining area also. My 
grandmother, born in Valparaiso, Zacatecas, was the illegitimate child of a hacendado 
(Felguerez) and one of the servants (Pinedo). The Felguerez were originally in Mesquitic, 
Jalisco and I believe were involved in the Bolaños mines not far away; it was there in 
Mesquitic and later in Valparaiso, where they made their money after coming from 
Asturias, Spain ~1790. Using the Mormon microfilms, I have found Pinedos in all these 
mining towns. Lots of Villarreals also.

You are correct, however, that there was much importing of labor from different areas to 
work the mines.

Ed


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos"  
>
> Victor, Josie, Linda, et al.
> 
> I too am a haplogroup A with the following mutations:
> 
> 16111T
> 16223T
> 16290T
> 16319A
> 16362C
> 16390A
> 
>

Margarita, 

See http://www.familytreedna.com/description.html#mtDNA for details on prices. You 
used to get it cheaper if you joined Gary Felix's Mexico DNA project, http://
members.tripod.com/~GaryFelix/index63.htm, but I think they are about the same now. ~
$129 for low resolution mtDNA, $189 for high resolution.

Ed

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Margarita Vallazza  wrote:
>
> BTW, how much does this cost?  I'll pay for my primo, whichever one  
> decides to do it.  Marge V.:)
> 
> On Nov 17, 2005, at 10:35 AM, Edward Serros wrote:
> 
> > Josie,
> >
> >  I guess we shouldn't be surprised that some of us are related since  
> > we are studying our
> >  ancestors that came from the same area. Today I checked my mtDNA  
> > results which I
> >  haven't done for awhile and you are an exact match at a low  
> > resolution level to my
> >  paternal grandmother, Maria Felguerez (via Cecilia Isordia).  I did  
> > not realize who you
> >  were.
> >
> >  Did you do the

According to a series on the Discovery Channel on
early man that I saw a couple of months ago, we all
came from the same grandparents over 200,000
generations ago.

But seriously, I believe many of us are related since
most of us came from a mixture of common ancestors
that settled in the central plains of Mexico.  

Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, California

--- Margarita Vallazza  wrote:

> BTW, how much does this cost?  I'll pay for my
> primo, whichever one  
> decides to do it.  Marge V.:)
> 
> On Nov 17, 2005, at 10:35 AM, Edward Serros wrote:
> 
> > Josie,
> >
> >  I guess we shouldn't be surprised that some of us
> are related since  
> > we are studying our
> >  ancestors that came from the same area. Today I
> checked my mtDNA  
> > results which I
> >  haven't done for awhile and you are an exact
> match at a low  
> > resolution level to my
> >  paternal grandmother, Maria Felguerez (via
> Cecilia Isordia).  I did  
> > not realize who you
> >  were.
>

BTW, how much does this cost? I'll pay for my primo, whichever one decides to do it. Marge V.:)



On Nov 17, 2005, at 10:35 AM, Edward Serros wrote:

Josie,



I guess we shouldn't be surprised that some of us are related since we are studying our

ancestors that came from the same area. Today I checked my mtDNA results which I

haven't done for awhile and you are an exact match at a low resolution level to my

paternal grandmother, Maria Felguerez (via Cecilia Isordia).  I did not realize who you

were.



Did you do the HVR1 and HVR2 mtDNA tests? If you did not do the HVR2 and you have

extra money lying around, I would be interested to see if we are related at an even closer

(high resolution) level.



Welcome to the tribe. Now I have to look up all the material you have in the Ranchos

database. My grandmother's data is below.



Even though I said that we shouldn't be surprised, I am. Amazing.



Abrazos,



Ed



HVR1 Haplogroup A

HVR1 differences

from CRS

16223T

     

Well, as I've said before, I can't do this test at all because me mum wasn't Hispanic. If I have one of my male cousins do this, would I get some usable answers if his mother is my aunt or his father my uncle? In other words, if my cousin Humberto did it, his mother is my father's sister or if my cousin Bobby did it, his dad was my dad's brother, which would be the better candidate? Marge V:)



On Nov 17, 2005, at 10:35 AM, Edward Serros wrote:

Josie,



I guess we shouldn't be surprised that some of us are related since we are studying our

ancestors that came from the same area. Today I checked my mtDNA results which I

haven't done for awhile and you are an exact match at a low resolution level to my

paternal grandmother, Maria Felguerez (via Cecilia Isordia).  I did not realize who you

were.



Did you do the HVR1 and HVR2 mtDNA tests? If you did not do the HVR2 and you have

extra money lying around, I would be interested to see if we are related at an even closer

(high

Josie,

 I guess we shouldn't be surprised that some of us are related since we are studying our 
ancestors that came from the same area. Today I checked my mtDNA results which I 
haven't done for awhile and you are an exact match at a low resolution level to my 
paternal grandmother, Maria Felguerez (via Cecilia Isordia).  I did not realize who you 
were.

Did you do the HVR1 and HVR2 mtDNA tests? If you did not do the HVR2 and you have 
extra money lying around, I would be interested to see if we are related at an even closer 
(high resolution) level.

Welcome to the tribe. Now I have to look up all the material you have in the Ranchos 
database. My grandmother's data is below.

Even though I said that we shouldn't be surprised, I am. Amazing.

Abrazos,

Ed

HVR1 Haplogroup A
HVR1 differences
from CRS
16223T
 	
16290T
 	
16319A
 	
16362C

HVR2 differences
from CRS
64T
 	
73G
 	
146C
 	
153G
 	
182T
 	
235G
 	
263G
 	
315.1C
 	
522-
 	
523-
 

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Josie T

Arturo,

These are my differences from CRS.

Did I tell you that we're all near mtDNA matches to the famous Ice Maiden from Perú ?

Saludos,
Victor


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos" wrote:
>
> Victor, Josie, Linda, et al.
>
> I too am a haplogroup A with the following mutations:
>
> 16111T
> 16223T
> 16290T
> 16319A
> 16362C
> 16390A
>
> I have traced my strictly maternal line to a Josefa Magallanes born
> circa 1775 in the Bolanos/Chimaltitan area... most likely Tepecano
> (Southern Tepehuan) but who knows... by that time the Spanish were
> really pushing up the production of the mine in Bolanos and brought
> in a lot of other labor to the area.
>
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "v.h.villarreal" raices_regias@y...
> wrote:
> >
> > Josie & Linda,
> >
> > We share the same haplogroup A. Although we're not an exact match
> we

Victor, Josie, Linda, et al.

I too am a haplogroup A

Victor, Josie, Linda, et al.

I too am a haplogroup A with the following mutations:

16111T
16223T
16290T
16319A
16362C
16390A

I have traced my strictly maternal line to a Josefa Magallanes born 
circa 1775 in the Bolanos/Chimaltitan area... most likely Tepecano 
(Southern Tepehuan) but who knows... by that time the Spanish were 
really pushing up the production of the mine in Bolanos and brought 
in a lot of other labor to the area.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "v.h.villarreal"  
wrote:
>
> Josie & Linda,
> 
> We share the same haplogroup A.  Although we're not an exact match 
we
> do match on some numbers.  Since we're dealing here with 
mitochondrial
> DNA, in contrast to Y chromosome DNA, it means that our female 
common
> ancestor lived thousands of years ago, in prehistorical times.
> 
> Mitochondrial DNA is best suited to determine what is called "Deep
> Ancestry" of our maternal lineage.  We definitely share the same
> Native American roots in the

Joseph,

 

The FamilySearch website, is undergoing some upgrades.  There has been
a possible date of later on this month, for when it is to be
completed.   Basically, when the screen comes up, saying no film
notes, you just need to reload the page until, the notes button will
come up.  It can take about 2 or 3 times.

 

Jonathan 

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
>
> [when I opened this page the message at the top said there are no films 
> for this]. . .does anyone know why this would say there are no films
for 
> this area when the description says there are?:
> 
> Title 	Registros civiles del municipio de San Crist?bal de la Barranca, 
> Jalisco, 1870-1980
> Authors 	San Crist?bal de la Barranca (Jalisco). Registro Civil 
>
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=authordetails&authorno=369435&name=San+Crist%F3bal+de+la+Barranca+%28Jalisco%29%2E+Registro+Civil%2C+null>

> (Main Author)
> 
> Notes

Josie:
PENCIL ME IN maybe, just maybe my wife and I
will
attend. Francisco
--- "Josie T. Trevino"
wrote:

> 
> Hi All!
> 
> I heard from
Ruth Gomez Schirmacher, Salt Lake City
> Family History Library,
>
today and she advises me that the Hispanic genealogy
> conference will be
held
> "Next year it will be the second weekend of
>
Oct"........that is an official
> quote from her e-mail to me!  
:-)   
> So........that would make it on
> Saturday,
October 14, 2006.  I know that it is still
> quite early but now
you
> have a firm date that you can make

Ed:

I agree with you 100 percent.  My only point was that the non-native cultural influence in 
the American Southwest in the 200 years preceding the American annexation was much 
more Mexican than Spanish.  Political realities do not always conform to cultural realities.  
I suposse an analogy would be the Indian troops that the British used to conquer Hong 
Kong.  These people, who are among the oldest settlers of the island, were not British and 
their identity in the colony was not as British, and in fact the British abandoned them when 
they abandoned Hong Kong.  Mexicans played a very similar role in the American 
Southwest, even while it was under Spanish rule... the name for New Mexico was not 
arbitrary... it was in fact a colony of Mexicans on the frontier, under Spanish rule, as were 
all Mexicans at the time.

Likewise, the Mexican identity is not limited to the geographical boundaries of Mexico.  I 
think it is wonderful that people who identify themselves proudly as

Arturo,

My comments related to the idea of ownership. Spain owned the area what we call the 
Southwest for centuries. Mexico "owned" the Southwest for no more that 30 years. Neither 
country tried to develop the area in any major way. Spain tried somewhat in 1750 when 
they came up with the idea of the missions, converting the natives to christianity and 
further exploring the lands. However, my readings suggest that the independent county of 
Mexico from 1820-1848 was in so much internal strife after Independence that the 
Southwest was not addressed in any meaningful way.

I fully understand that the people of Nueva España or Mexico had an influence on the 
Southwest, as they do today. I simply object to the idea held by some that the Southwest, 
particularly California, belonged to Mexico for as long as anyone can remember. Before 
the Spaniards, various tribes of Native American Indians lived in the Southwest, perhaps as 
long as 10,000 years. Which tribes I do not know. Same

Hello:



I am available for transcribing.



Mickey