Nuestros Ranchos Site

I have uploaded the first three pages of my section so that you can 
see what the data entry looks like.  It is in the Colotlan folder in 
the files section of this site.

Joseph... if you think we should move this to Ranchos2, please go 
ahead and do so and just let us know.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos"  
wrote:
>
> Victor, Alicia, Joseph et. al.
> 
> I have created a folder in the files section for Ranchos that has 
> instructions on how to do the transcription of the Colotlan 
Census.  
> It is at the end of member genealogy folders.
> 
> Joseph has volunteered to take pages 90 to 100.  These pages are 
all 
> names.  There are names and text interspersed through about page 
130, 
> so Victor, if you can take pages 101-110 and Alicia, if you can 
take 
> pages 111-120, I will take pages 121-130.
> 
> If there are others interested in doing transcription, the 
remainder 
> of the document is mostly text.  Please write me an email and I 
will 
>

Ed/Angie:

Whatever the political status of the American Southwest was 
throughout the 1700s and early 1800s, it was if not indigenous in 
identity, certainly Mexican.  Most of the settlers in the area were 
not Spaniards, as a lot of Anglo revisionist historians like to 
purport by glorifying the missions, etc., but Mexicans... Tlaxacaltec 
colonizers in New Mexico, immigrants from Sonora, Chihuahua, 
Aguascalientes, etc... The original founding families of Culver City, 
California, for example were the Talamantes and Avila from 
Aguascalientes... probably related to some people in the group.

The following book is very well researched and provides a whole new 
insight into the attempted "de-Mexicanization" of Los Angeles.  A 
very good read.

Whitewashed Adobe : The Rise of Los Angeles and the Remaking of Its 
Mexican Past
by William Deverell

Review:

Chronicling the rise of Los Angeles through shifting ideas of race 
and ethnicity, William Deverell offers a unique perspective on

It still is.

Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, Californai

--- Arturo Ramos  wrote:

> Yes Angie, those maps are great.  Emilie, I think
> the reason why the 
> U.S. did not aquire all of Mexico was that the part
> they did not 
> acquire had too many Mexicans living in it.  In
> other words, the 
> xenophobia was greater than the greed.
> 
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Emilie Garcia"
>  
> wrote:
> >
> > Wow, Angie,
> > 
> > You are a great researcher.  I have never seen
> those maps before.  
> Thanks much for the links to those maps.  It really
> helps me to 
> understand the scope of "Manifest Destiny" of the US
> Government.  I'm 
> surprised they didn't "acquire" all of Mexico.
> > 
> > Emilie Garcia
> > Port Orchard, WA ---
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 



		
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Good links.  

Here's a morphing map from pbs.
http://www.pbs.org/kpbs/theborder/history/morphingmap.html

Are we done?  ;-)


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Emilie Garcia" 
wrote:
>
> Wow, Angie,
> 
> You are a great researcher.  I have never seen those maps before. 
Thanks much for the links to those maps.  It really helps me to
understand the scope of "Manifest Destiny" of the US Government.  I'm
surprised they didn't "acquire" all of Mexico.
> 
> Emilie Garcia
> Port Orchard, WA ---
>

Yes Angie, those maps are great.  Emilie, I think the reason why the 
U.S. did not aquire all of Mexico was that the part they did not 
acquire had too many Mexicans living in it.  In other words, the 
xenophobia was greater than the greed.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Emilie Garcia"  
wrote:
>
> Wow, Angie,
> 
> You are a great researcher.  I have never seen those maps before.  
Thanks much for the links to those maps.  It really helps me to 
understand the scope of "Manifest Destiny" of the US Government.  I'm 
surprised they didn't "acquire" all of Mexico.
> 
> Emilie Garcia
> Port Orchard, WA ---
>

here are a couple more pages. of the 1785 Census. joseph ps: Arturo if the format is not correct let me know ASAP

Attachment:
1785ColotlanCensus_P89-91.xls

Description: MS-Excel spreadsheet

1. Enter Archivos Espanoles en Red
  You will need to create an account if you do not yet have one.  Go to
  http://www.aer.es and click on "Alta de Usuario".  Fill in all of the
  required information and when you reach the last fields "usuario" and
  "contrasena" make sure that your username/usuario is no longer than 10
  characters... one of the many arbitrary restrictions of the site.

[[[[[[[[[[[[Arturo its been a long time and from what I remember it was
more challenging that this to get started.

Here is the url that give more details on the Subscribing process:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ranchos2/files/Archivos%20Espanoles%20en%20Red/
http://www.ldelpino.com/aeren.html   ]]]]]]]]]]]]]

2. Log into AER and find document
  Log in using your username and password.  You must click on the "Aceptar"

text under the password field. Simply hitting enter will not work.
Once
logged in mouse over the "busqueda" menu heading on the upper left.
Click

  on the "Busqueda por

Victor, Alicia, Joseph et. al.

I have created a folder in the files section for Ranchos that has 
instructions on how to do the transcription of the Colotlan Census.  
It is at the end of member genealogy folders.

Joseph has volunteered to take pages 90 to 100.  These pages are all 
names.  There are names and text interspersed through about page 130, 
so Victor, if you can take pages 101-110 and Alicia, if you can take 
pages 111-120, I will take pages 121-130.

If there are others interested in doing transcription, the remainder 
of the document is mostly text.  Please write me an email and I will 
assign a piece to you.






--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos"  
wrote:
>
> There is a 1785 Census of the Colotlan region that is held at the 
> Archives of Simanca in Spain and has bee digitized.
> 
> I was thinking that perhaps we could get a few volunteers from the 
> group to help transcribe it and then perhaps even publish it.  I 
think 
> it would

Arturo,

Not sure if I can meet your standards but I can give it a try.  Give
me a few pages that nobody is currently working on and what are the
team guidelines we have to follow.  

Victor


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos"  wrote:
>
> There is a 1785 Census of the Colotlan region that is held at the 
> Archives of Simanca in Spain and has bee digitized.
> 
> I was thinking that perhaps we could get a few volunteers from the 
> group to help transcribe it and then perhaps even publish it.  I think 
> it would be very useful for many people in the group and as far as I 
> know, it has not previously been published.
> 
> The document can be found on Archivos Espanoles en Red at:
> 
> ES.47161.AGS/19.8//SGU,7015,2
> 
> Let me know if you are interested in helping out on this project.
>

Wow Elvira, you are just a wealth of information.  It's no wonder, 
though, it sounds like you've been researching for over 25 years.  
Too bad you don't live in the Sacramento, CA area so that you could 
meet with the group of us Rancho members who are getting together 
next month.  We have some really talented and experienced researchers 
attending this first meeting, but you (and several others) would be 
such a great addition. 

Maria

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "elviraz"  wrote:
>
> Jose Roman:
> 
> 
> What you are suggesting is exactly what I did for the town of San 
Juan de Guadalupe, Durango.  I had been trying to get info from there 
for about  25 years and the priests would not relent.  The registro 
civil was okay but that was it. I found out that the LDS church would 
pay for the microfilming and I started campaigning.  I was fortunate 
to meet the president of the Sociedad Genealogica del Norte de Mexico 
(Benicio Sanchez). I told  him my situation and

Wow Arturo that 1785 Census is so cool! What a discovery. I'm ready to start my part of the transcription. but I can see we need a plan. I'm not going to be able to do but sporatic amounts of work, but what appears to be 300+ pages of which I'm guessing like you said about 150+ pages of the actual Padron Okay I've talked to Arturo and I'm starting at page 89 at the bottom and working toward page 100, but would like to see if I can get to page 110 or 120 by the end of Nov or mid Dec he is what I have so far (p89-90verso/recto) joseph. src="jpgicPWaROIwZ.jpg" border="0">

Attachment:
1785ColotlanCensus_P89-100.xls

Description: MS-Excel spreadsheet

Excellent Calavera.  How cool is that. 

Muy bien dicho!

Irma

---

From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joseph
Puentes
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 12:39 AM
To:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject

Glo,

Here is some information:

Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Guadalupe_Hildalgo

Maps:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:National-atlas-territorial-
acquisitions.png
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Territorial-acquisition-uscensus-
bureau.jpg

If the links wrap be sure to recreate in address bar.

- Angie


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "glo Sandoval-Fuentes" 
 wrote:
>
> I would like to hear further on this because I always thought that 
Mexico 
> did own California too, like till the beginning of the 1900's?
> 
> 
> 
>                ~~glo~~
> 

I would like to hear further on this because I always thought that Mexico
did own California too, like till the beginning of the 1900's?

              ~~glo~~







From: "Edward Serros" 
Reply-To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Re: Mexican Border
Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 16:32:03 -0000

Angie,

As a point of clarification, the independent country of Mexico owned much of
the
Southwest for only a few decades (1810/1820 time frame to ~1848). Spain
owned the
Southwest for centuries. The only reason I bring this up is that I hear the
statement that
Mexico owned California all the time and I am not sure people remember the
dates well or

fully understand the entities involved.


Ed

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "aajay1073"  wrote:
>
> Emilie,
>
> Just wanted to comment on what you wrote below...I once heard someone
> with a similar experience as your sister...  There response was "I
> didn't cross the border it

Steven,

As an FYI... the Census was posted in the file section and is also 
available in the link section.  As a note, the census doesn't give 
any specific information on families just on landowners/head of 
household.

I too am following the Miramontes Family from Tlaltenango.  Just 
wondering if you want to exchange some info...

Thanks,
Angie


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Steven F. Hernández" 
 wrote:
>
> I have not checked my email in a very long time, but this email 
caught my
> eye right away.  Lorenzo de Miramontes is my ancestor so I am 
interested if
> it mentions any of his immediate family, as well as the family of 
his
> brothers, sisters, and/or his parents and other children.  
> 
> How would you send such a document?  Would it be a computer file or 
the
> actual copy of the original manuscript?  I will pay you good 
moneyyou're
> your trouble.  Please send it to my email address:
> 
> PacoHernandez73@m...
> 
> I now use this address way more than

Ed,

Sorry...I have a tendecy to simplfy things and generalize...  I fully 
understand what you mean.

Thanks,
Angie

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Edward Serros"  wrote:
>
> Angie,
> 
> As a point of clarification, the independent country of Mexico 
owned much of the 
> Southwest for only a few decades (1810/1820 time frame to ~1848). 
Spain owned the 
> Southwest for centuries. The only reason I bring this up is that I 
hear the statement that 
> Mexico owned California all the time and I am not sure people 
remember the dates well or 
> fully understand the entities involved.
> 
> 
> Ed
>

Angie,

As a point of clarification, the independent country of Mexico owned much of the 
Southwest for only a few decades (1810/1820 time frame to ~1848). Spain owned the 
Southwest for centuries. The only reason I bring this up is that I hear the statement that 
Mexico owned California all the time and I am not sure people remember the dates well or 
fully understand the entities involved.


Ed

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "aajay1073"  wrote:
>
> Emilie,
> 
> Just wanted to comment on what you wrote below...I once heard someone 
> with a similar experience as your sister...  There response was "I 
> didn't cross the border it crossed me!"
> 
> Here in Southern California...even though almost all the cities and 
> streets are in Español.  People seem to forget that Mexico use to own 
> all of the Southwest States.  And even though the border was moved to 
> its current location, many of the people stayed.
> 
> As for me, I have been able to successfully trace most