Racial Classifications was Moorish or Slave
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From: latina1955@...
Sent: Jun 23, 2005 1:32 AM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Moorish or Slave
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face=Arial color=#000000 size=2> I could be wrong (my memory comes and goes with this stuff called menopause - should be called memorypause), but I think coyote was a term used to describe the mixed blood of Indians and African. There was a chart (perhaps someone can recall it here?) that described the various labels placed on the mixture of "races" during the early part of the conquest, when race delineation was seen as important by the Spanish. I'll keep looking for this chart, but in the meantime, perhaps someone else on the board has easy access to it for reference? Esperanza
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So, Joseph, I couldn't make out a thing on your DNA results. I guess I am a surumata. So, are you in the haplogroup for African-Black or for Moroccan-Berber? What other haplogroups are you in? All those numbers scared me. How could I ever explain such a thing to my cousin? Maybe the researchers are handing us a gato por oso? Emilie Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com |
Joseph,I guess what I meant is that an African slave, to me, was one like the ancestors of the African-Americans and Negroes of Brazil. In facial features and body type they look to me like the
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Joseph,
I guess what I meant is that an African slave, to me, was one like the ancestors of the African-Americans and Negroes of Brazil. In facial features and body type they look to me like the tribes found on the Ivory Coast or Gold Coast of Africa, and not like the North Africans (Ethiopians and Moroccans) that the Moors in Spain were descended from. I heard of stories of Moors who came to the New World with the Conquistadores. I didn't think they were slaves, more like indentured servants who could be freed. I have seen the descriptions of people in the microfilmed records as Negro, Mulato, Mestizo, Coyote, and Yndio, but not in relation to anyone of my ancestors I could identify. They were all (until 1821) identified as Espanol. After 1821, there are no descriptions as to race. In my family it is known that my mother's side had Piro Indian blood around her grand-father's time. He was born around 1854, and my father told me that he was a Mestizo, even though he was not
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Hello Steve, I don't think I would be able to explain it better than one of those ready made tutorials available online. Take a look at a couple of links: http://www.dnaheritage.com/tutorial1.asp (follow the series) http://www.familytreedna.com/dna101.html As you know, the Y chromosome has segments of genetic material that pass practically unchanged from father to son, except in those rare cases where a mutation occurs. The numbers you ask about represent a count of the so called Short Tandem Repeats or STRs at specific locations in the DNA molecule. When a mutation happens the count of STRs can increase or decrease usually by one count. These mutations tend to accumulate over generations at varying rates which can help to calculate or approximate the "genetic distance" between two related persons who share a common ancestor. I don't know if I'm being clear enough so I'll stop here! Anyway, read some of those documents online and then come back to share your thoughts
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Joseph,
You said not to ask, but now I will have to chase after this entry from the Ministry of Education of Peru?
Thanks so much for finding the word, anyway. The research should keep me out of trouble for a while, since I have always wondered where Daddy got that word.
Emilie
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Hello, I run the New Mexico DNA Project, the issue about African and Moorish women is this: Haplogroup L and all sub-haplogroups: African Black Haplogroup Ub6: Moorish/Berber (North African) this is genetic code that is equivalent to E3b on the Y-DNA. If your haplogroup L your ancient fore-mother was Black African, if your haplogroup Ub6 your ancient fore-mother was Moorish/Berber. Saludos, Angel New Mexico DNA Project Project Administrator ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com
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I really couldn't say one way or the other. the MtDNA results are my
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After all this conversation, I got really interested about submitting my DNA as well as my Tapia DNA through an uncle. Another member and possible primo (Angel Cervantes) encouraged me to do it in the past. Well, in the next couple months I will probably get several samples from different family lines. (As soon as I get the cash for it) I just have a question, maybe I just need to read Gary Felix's website more carefully. Is there a table or something that explains what do all those numbers on the tables mean? Also, what is the difference between 12, 25 and 37 marker? What does it mean? its embarrasing but I don't really understand it all |
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Well, I guess I will never find out where my father got the word "tarayata". He was always laughing when he said it, sort of like calling us "rascals" when we were rough-housing with him. He was not prone to name calling, and being from Mexico, he spoke proper Castilian as his people had. My mother, who spoke a strange old 17th century Spanish dialect from New Mexico (according to my Spanish friend), one that I no longer hear, was not laughing when she called me "tonta, suata, surumata, tisica, fea, chirisca, prieta, trige~na" all in one breath. I must have been a handful, and I think I am the only throw-back in the family to our dark-skinned, kinky-haired North African-Moorish ancestors. I'm surprised I didn't grow up with an inferiority complex due to being made fun of by the "gueros" in the family. I just used to think they were the stupid ones, the politically incorrect ones that when losing an argument, would voice their prejudices against something I had nothing to do with
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After all this conversation, I got really interested about submitting my DNA as well as my Tapia DNA through an uncle. Another member and possible primo (Angel Cervantes) encouraged me to do it in the past. Well, in the next couple months I will probably get several samples from different family lines. (As soon as I get the cash for it) I just have a question, maybe I just need to read Gary Felix's website more carefully. Is there a table or something that explains what do all those numbers on the tables mean? Also, what is the difference between 12, 25 and 37 marker? What does it mean? Steve.
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Thanks Joseph,
That is a wonderful idea you suggested about doing a poster board with pictures, etc. I do have a beautifully framed hand-painted coat of arms for the OLAGUE surname that I brought back with me from Spain years ago that I intend to present to him if and when he cooperates. I would never expect anyone to pay for taking a Y DNA test at my request. I would also offer an extra monetary bribe if that is what it takes.
My Basque friend here had told me about a village outside of Pamplona where she came from in Navarra, Spain, called Olague, so we went there. It was so nice, and the people were so nice. They had bright blue eyes just like my father described The tiny village was lovely, with cobble-stoned streets and an ancient bell-tower under which the cows passed on their way home (all by themselves) from the pastures when it was milking time. They had quaint barns, and hay-stacks, but they also had nice homes with brand-new cars and TV's. When we passed by the
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"Vaquetón" comes from the word "vaqueta"
which means rawhide. Un vaqueton is a "thick-skinned" individual who doesn't care, takes advantage of other people goodness, lazy, and on, and on...
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I've heard "taruga" and "tarada" growing up too. "Tonta" is another synonym. I have to admit I call my own kids some of those names from time to time. Just trying to keep the tradition going... :) I wonder if it's because our culture hasn't gotten on the politically correct bandwagon? I thought about that when President Fox made that statement about our gente taking jobs "that even Blacks won't take". The Mexican response to the American one was that it wasn't meant to offend. Understanding our cultura the way I understand it I knew that to be true. However, Fox was criticized because; as some pointed out, he was educated here in the States and should've known better. Maria p.s. Another word that I remember hearing is "vaquetón". This one means rascal or something along those lines. --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "John Gonzalez" 1gnzlz@v...> wrote: > I've heard "tarugo" and "tarado". Tarugo as in "como eres tarugo" Not being very smart, almost like "como eres
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Joseph, You are probably right. It must be the 12 marker. I was speaking off the top of my head and probably got it wrong. He did it on his own, before Gary Felix had anything posted about it on his website. Well, I hesitate putting out there in a public website without getting his permission. I thought it would be okay to post it here because this is a smaller, more private group. Maybe I'll mention it to him again. He might be more apt to posting it if Gary invites him to join. It won't be his pesky sister telling him what to do. ;) Maria --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puenteswrote: > > > readysetgo95814 wrote: > > >I've been following the discussion on the DNA testing with much > >interest. My brother did the 9 marker test, but did not post his > >results on Gary Felix's page. > > > did he do it thru the Felix study or just on his own? I haven't heard of > the 9 marker test. Was this awhile back? I thought that 12 was minimum, > but
readysetgo95814 wrote:
I've been following the discussion on the DNA testing with much
interest. My brother did the 9 marker test, but did not post his
results on Gary Felix's page.
did he do it thru the Felix study or just on his own? I haven't heard of
the 9 marker test. Was this awhile back? I thought that 12 was minimum,
but probably my lack of knowledge is showing through.
I did mention it to him, but either he's
not interested or it just slipped his mind. I have a copy of the
results and would be interested in posting the results on this site if
Joseph decides to collect that data.
Well I think it would be better to let Gary Felix know about it and post
it there. I would be willing to post the results in the files area but
truthfully they would be there only to encourage other members to
consider doing their own DNA study. On Gary Felix's site he could guide
you and help with some understanding and other readings to get up to
speed on the subject if you
My wife is from Los Altos, Jalisco, and she uses both words when she is mad. Alberto. --- John Gonzalez 1gnzlz@...> wrote: > I've heard "tarugo" and "tarado". Tarugo as in > "como eres tarugo" Not being very smart, almost > like "como eres menso". Tarugo, tarado, and menso > are used in about the same context. > I know, I've been called all three at different > times! > > John > > 1gnzlz@... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: latina1955@... > To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 2:26 PM > Subject: Re: [ranchos] Re: Name Calling > > > "Tarayata" sounds linked to "taragua" which I was > often called because I was considered lazy when I > was younger - I simply didn't enjoy doing the > household chores while my brothers were out playing > :). Perhaps the "tara" portion is the relationship > in a similar base language, which be in this area of > discussion! > > Esperanza > > > --------------------------------------------------
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I've heard "tarugo" and "tarado". Tarugo as in "como eres tarugo" Not being very smart, almost like "como eres menso". Tarugo, tarado, and menso are used in about the same context. I know, I've been called all three at different times! John
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face=Arial color=#000000 size=2> "Tarayata" sounds linked to "taragua" which I was often called because I was considered lazy when I was younger - I simply didn't enjoy doing the household chores while my brothers were out playing :). Perhaps the "tara" portion is the relationship in a similar base language, which be in this area of discussion! Esperanza
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