Nuestros Ranchos Site

Hola Francisco,

Tengo mucho interes en ver tu información genealogica. Yo tengo 
varios ancestros con el apellido Martín del Campo. Mi apellido 
materno es Díaz, pero no se si fué Díaz del Castillo, Díaz de Sandi o 
Díaz Infante. El Díaz mas lejano que tengo en record es José Antonio 
Díaz, nacido entre 1740-1748. Tres de mis abuelos fueron nacidos en 
Los Altos de Jalisco. Te invito a que revises mi archivo y dime si 
encuentras alguna rama en común.

Saludos,

María Cortez

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Francisco Martin 
 wrote:
> Hola Joseph.
>  
>    ya esta casi terminada, fue de gran utilidad la informacion de 
Francisco Hernandez, por cierto te queria preguntar que software, 
utilizan para hacer el arbol genealogico que lo pone en recuadro a 
cada una de las personas. ya que el de Ancestry, no lo pone y solo 
maneja una sola rama a la vez o me podrias informar como hacerle para 
bajarlo y avisrte?
>  
>   Por cierto la semana pasada estuve en Los

I've been following the discussion on the DNA testing with much 
interest. My brother did the 9 marker test, but did not post his 
results on Gary Felix's page.  I did mention it to him, but either he's 
not interested or it just slipped his mind.  I have a copy of the 
results and would be interested in posting the results on this site if 
Joseph decides to collect that data.  I haven't done much research on 
my own regarding this subject, and I am happy to see that we have 
several people in this group with so much knowledge to share.

Maria

p.s. My brother's haplogroup is R1b. Our surname is Sanchez and 3 of 
our grandparents were from the Los Altos de Jalisco area. The 4th 
grandparent was from Tizapan Jalisco (near Lake Chapala).

I wonder if anyone in the group knows the meaning of two words used by my parents to chide us when we were children.  My mother, a Native American-Mexican from New Mexico used to call me "surumata".  My father, who was from Jerez, Zacatecas, used to call me

Hello John,

Try the following instructions: 

"Click Start, Settings, Control Panel, Regional and
Language Options. Click the Language(s) tab. In Win
XP, click Details, then Add. Choose an Input language
(English United States) and a Keyboard Layout
(International English). Use Apply to finish the
process; the Windows installation CD may be needed."

Read the instructions on how to switch or select keyboard layouts.  
You can select also which one you prefer as the default layout.

Let us know if you need any other help!

Victor


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "John Gonzalez" 1gnzlz@v...> wrote:
> Hi:
> 
> I don't know what version of Windows other people are using.  I am 
using Windows XP Home Edition and when I press the Alt+? I get 
nothing, just a pleasent little sound. I tried both Alt keys.
> I am sticking with Alt+168, it hasn't failed me yet!  As far as the 
exclamation symbol is concerned, I just do it the old fashion way: 
Shift +1. 
> 
> 
> John Gonzalez  
> 1gnzlz@v

Esperanza,

Regarding the question addressed to me, my haplotype is indeed listed 
at Gary Felix's web page among the Villarreal surname list.  I have 
several genetic matches or near matches, including your cousin 
Homero, all of whom have been newly rediscovered distant cousins to 
me.  

Our DNA shows the very high likelihood of sharing a common ancestor 
but at 6 generations back so far on my paternal lineage I still 
haven't found where our genealogical branches join, which means that 
it is a little further back into the previous century.  I'm still 
following the paper trail!  One very exciting discovery is that as we 
look deeper into our Nuevo León roots we're finding that they lead 
back to Zacatecas.

Victor

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, latina1955@a... wrote:
>   
> Hi Prima,
> I am curious about your brother's DNA - what was he able to learn.  
In lieu of our possible connection, I would be extremely 
curious....If you look at Gary Felix's chart, I am related to Homero

Emilie,

Those two words are definitely not found in the dictinary of the "Real 
Academia Española".  

I'm familiar with one similar word "zurumbato" or "zurumbata" in its 
feminine gender.  I ignore its true meaning or origin but in the 
context that I remember hearing that adjetive it was always applied to 
someone with a poor head, like stunned or stupid, in the sense of a 
temporary mental numbness.  For example, "andaba bien zurumbato".

This link below shows another example.  Just click and scroll down to 
example 16:

http://www.aaanet.org/sla/jla/wea_13_2_haney_clips.htm

The other word, "tarayata" I really don't remember.

Victor


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Emilie Garcia"  
wrote:
> I wonder if anyone in the group knows the meaning of two words used 
by my parents to chide us when we were children.  My mother, a Native 
American-Mexican from New Mexico used to call me "surumata".  My 
father, who was from Jerez, Zacatecas, used to call me "tarayata

Joseph,

I have done the DNA testing for the lines of my four grandparents. I think it would be 
interesting to have everyone share this information with the rancho group if they feel wish to 
do so. As you know, Gary Felix has a nice review of Y-DNA results on Mexican-American 
males, who are participating in his project via Family Tree DNA, http://members.tripod.com/
~GaryFelix/index63.htm.

Ed

Thanks, Victor, I'll consider this. Marge:)

On Jun 21, 2005, at 9:15 PM, Victor Villarreal wrote:

There's a company that does the DNA tests for free but the results

take a lot of time to be posted on their site, about a year.



The name is Sorensons Molecular Genealogy Foundation:

http://smgf.org/



Or maybe you and other interested relatives can pitch in for a test of

one of your boy cousins?







--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Margarita Vallazza

wrote:

> My father and his brothers are dead and I don't have any brothers and

> forget my boy cousins...son tan tacaños!!!! they'll never pay to get

> the DNA results.  Marge

> On Jun 21, 2005, at 5:17 PM, Alberto Duarte wrote:

>

> > Members and cousins:

> >  It would be very interesting if we all had our dna

> >  results, but I believe we would be very much the same

> >  since we share the same Mexican ancestors and they

> >  also came from the same region of Mexico, Spain,

> >  Portugal.

> >

> > 

Santos,

Just one more thing:  I had heard about "Gato por Liebre" but I never
heard about "Gato por Oso" hehe!

Which reminds me, Mr. Greenspan is a business man not a scientist!

Victor

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Victor Villarreal" 
wrote:
> I'm going to start this with a saying in Spanish: No comas ansias,
Santos.
> 
> You do good by playing the devil's advocate in all of this.  Your
> attitude is just right when entering this highly speculative field of
> genetic genealogy.  
> 
> Always try to rely on scientific findings for your answers.  And even
> then, remember that much of what scientists postulate are theories and
> hypothesis.  As a starting point for your research on your first
> question, check the following link regarding the Cohanim:
> 
> http://www.ucl.ac.uk/tcga/tcgapdf/Behar-AJHG-03.pdf
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Victor
> 
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Santos Luna  wrote:
> > I was very excited when I read about the DNA

I'm going to start this with a saying in Spanish: No comas ansias, Santos.

You do good by playing the devil's advocate in all of this.  Your
attitude is just right when entering this highly speculative field of
genetic genealogy.  

Always try to rely on scientific findings for your answers.  And even
then, remember that much of what scientists postulate are theories and
hypothesis.  As a starting point for your research on your first
question, check the following link regarding the Cohanim:

http://www.ucl.ac.uk/tcga/tcgapdf/Behar-AJHG-03.pdf

Best Regards,

Victor

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Santos Luna  wrote:
> I was very excited when I read about the DNA Project, and offered to
pay for the testing, using my brother's DNA. My brother has done some
research on his own, and has not been given any conclusive answers. 
>  
> In the scenario below...
>  
> 1. Who's DNA did they use to prove a connection to "Cohanim"?
> 
> 2. Where did they get the DNA for Moses

There's a company that does the DNA tests for free but the results
take a lot of time to be posted on their site, about a year.

The name is Sorensons Molecular Genealogy Foundation:
http://smgf.org/

Or maybe you and other interested relatives can pitch in for a test of
one of your boy cousins?



--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Margarita Vallazza 
wrote:
> My father and his brothers are dead and I don't have any brothers and 
> forget my boy cousins...son tan tacaños!!!! they'll never pay to get 
> the DNA results.  Marge
> On Jun 21, 2005, at 5:17 PM, Alberto Duarte wrote:
> 
> > Members and cousins:
> >  It would be very interesting if we all had our dna
> >  results, but I believe we would be very much the same
> >  since we share the same Mexican ancestors and they
> >  also came from the same region of Mexico, Spain,
> >  Portugal.
> >
> >  Any comments?
> >
> >  Alberto.
> >
> >  --- Margarita Vallazza  wrote:
> >
> >  > If we can only go

Emilie,

As always, it is evident that you're doing your homework and usually
marching one step ahead of the rest of us.

Like yourself, I have been most intrigued by all those stories that
you mentioned about the early Spanish colonizers, particularly more so
when I realised that the Y haplogroup to which I belong to is not the
typical Western European haplogroup but one that is, as I previously
said, very widespread all around the Mediterranean sea, including
North Africa, the Middle East, the Balcans and, of course, the Iberian
Peninsula.

As I understand many of our group here have not studied this topic in
detail, I felt compelled to point out a couple of facts that I believe
could be helpful to all:

Ethnicity is not determined alone by your DNA haplogroup.  In other
words, having "X" haplogroup does not automatically place you in any
ethnic group, regardless of all those ancient stories.  If your
genealogical and historical research shows documented ancestral
evidence of certain

Alberto,

You are very much correct.  According to Gary Felix's Genealogy of
Mexico DNA Surname Project, the current breakdown of all persons
tested is the following:

Native American 17%
Nordic 8%
Semitic 20%
Western European 46%
Other 8%

Of course this is not an accurate reflection of Mexican Hispanics'
ethnic composition, because this is not a scientifically sampled
population, but it gives an approximation or estimate of what it truly is.

Victor

The link to the Genealogy of Mexico DNA Project is:
http://members.tripod.com/~GaryFelix/index63.htm


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alberto Duarte  wrote:
> Members and cousins:
> It would be very interesting if we all had our dna
> results, but I believe we would be very much the same
> since we share the same Mexican ancestors and they
> also came from the same region of Mexico, Spain,
> Portugal.
> 
> Any comments?
> 
> Alberto.
> 

Margarita,

The limitation about only being able to test the female line does not
depend on the site doing the testing, but is something inherent to the
way men and women are genetically different.

However, you can determine your genetic lineage by testing anyone in
the direct lineage of your father, that is, your father himself or an
uncle, a brother of yours, a son of your uncle, even a grandson of
your father.

Victor

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Margarita Vallazza 
wrote:
> If we can only go through the female line, then I'll have to go through 
> another site.  My mother was from Scotland, and her mother was from 
> Ireland.:(  Marge
> On Jun 21, 2005, at 4:10 PM, Erlinda Castanon-Long wrote:
> 
> > I would love to see how others did thier dna tests. I feel cheated as
> >  a female that I can only do the mtdna (female)line. I ordered mine
> >  through Gary Felix's site.  My husband ordered his from another even
> >  though it's the same lab.. he does not

Hello Linda,

If you already ordered and sent your samples through Gary Felix's
site, that means that the company doing your testing is Family Tree DNA.

What the mtDNA test will show is what haplogroup your
maternal-genealogical line belongs to. This will identify the
biogeographical regions and migration routes of your deep ancestry;
deep meaning very, very old ancestry.

In the case of YDNA is something similar for the paternal line, except
that the genetic markers in the Y chromosome mutate more rapidly so
they can be used to trace genealogical relationships (by matching to
others) on a shorter time scale (hundreds of years).  Obviously, this
kind of test is most useful from the genealogist perspective.

There's a third kind of test done by a different company which tests
not the Y chromosome, nor the mitochondrial (mt) DNA, but the
autosomal DNA.  This DNA represents the bulk of our DNA, the genetic
accumulation or load of all our ancestors that define what and who we
are, not

FYI
Here's the English version of my question to Emilie:

Have you tried the "Alt" key to the right side of the space bar and
the key with the question mark?

I can see, you got that right!

Victor

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
> 
> 
> Victor Villarreal wrote:
> 
> >Hello Emilie,
> >
> >I too have my keyboard configured for International English.  As you 
> >know, in my case Spanish is my native language and English is my
second 
> >one.
> >
> >Regarding the upside down question mark (or should it be right side 
> >up), ¿Has intentado usar la combinación de teclas "Alt" a la derecha 
> >del la barra espaciadora y la tecla con el signo de interrogación?
> >
> sorry but I didn't get it. . .can you give us this last sentence in
English?
> 
> thanks,
> 
> joseph
> 
> ps: are Teclas "keys" . . .actually as I'm reading it again I think I'm 
> getting it. Tell me if this is right, "Have you intended to use the 
> combination keys Alt to the right of the

Joseph,

It took me a while to make the decision of doing the dna tests but
eventually I could not stand anymore to ignore it.

My Y-DNA test showed that my haplogroup is "E3b", a type of haplogroup
that is very widespread all around the Mediterranean sea, and my
mtDNA, on the maternal side, came as "A", one of the five Amerindian
haplogroups.  

So far, my closest matches on my paternal lineage have all been
persons that share my own surname, whom I have only known of now that
I have been researching these matters.  On my maternal DNA I have no
matches so far.

Victor


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
> I did both mine. I posted my Ydna results to the group but haven't for 
> my Mt dna. My Mt dna goes back to Africa probably a black slave got
into 
> my line many generations ago.
> 
> I'm going to eventually make up a YDNA/MtDNA folder in the files area 
> where those that are interested can post their results. As far as I
know 
> very few in the

Emilie,

Using the right side ALT and the ? keys simultaneously produces the ¿
symbol.  It does work.  Also, the admiration symbol ¡ can be typed by
the use of the right side ALT key plus the ! key.

Victor

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Emilie Garcia" 
wrote:
> Hi, Victor,
> 
> I understand what you said in Spanish about using right side ALT and
the ? key to get the Spanish character for "el signo de
interrogacion", but since I set my computer back to the factory
settings, I have not tried it.  Does that work? (Sorry I couldn't
respond in Spanish).  When I reset my computer for the Spanish
characters I still might not be able to have that one character work.
 I found that the exclamation character doesn't work with my MSN
Explorer.  I don't have Outlook Express (Internet Explorer) because my
MSN Explorer e-mail is web-based only in order to not have my e-mails
to other Internet Providers blocked because I have a msn.com address
on another e-mail account.
> 
>

My father and his brothers are dead and I don't have any brothers and forget my boy cousins...son tan tacaños!!!! they'll never pay to get the DNA results. Marge

On Jun 21, 2005, at 5:17 PM, Alberto Duarte wrote:

Members and cousins:

It would be very interesting if we all had our dna

results, but I believe we would be very much the same

since we share the same Mexican ancestors and they

also came from the same region of Mexico, Spain,

Portugal.



Any comments?



Alberto.



--- Margarita Vallazza wrote:



> If we can only go through the female line, then I'll

> have to go through

> another site.  My mother was from Scotland, and her

> mother was from

> Ireland.:(  Marge

> On Jun 21, 2005, at 4:10 PM, Erlinda Castanon-Long

> wrote:

>

> > I would love to see how others did thier dna

> tests. I feel cheated as

> >  a female that I can only do the mtdna

> (female)line. I ordered mine

> >  through Gary Felix's site.  My husband ordered

> his from