Zacatecas travel

Hi Edward,
	The Quinta Real in Zacatecas is beautiful.  It was once a Bull Ring,
but you probably already knew that. I was there only for the day, but I
checked it out with my tia and primas.  It was very cool because they have
built shops into it, a restaurant, etc.,  The center which is where the
bulls ran, is a huge beautiful, outdoor plaza for receptions. The entire
city is gorgeous.  The Spanish colonial presence is very real in this city
with rod iron rejas & balconies.  There is a wonderful museum on the Mexican
Revolution which is definitely worthwhile.  There is a display of currency
from that time period too.  There is an old convent built during the Spanish
reign which is missing it's ceiling due to the Mexican Revolution.  Can't
say enough!
	Zacatecas to Aguascalientes is quite a distance.  I went two years
ago, and the trip was essentially a day trip.  I would stay in both cities.
Aguascalientes is another worthwhile city to visit.  There is a lot of
history there as well

Reveles-Acevedo-Felix of Jerez and Tepetongo, Zacatecas

Hola-I am Raul Felix, son of Leonardo Felix/Guadalupe Flores. I am originally from delano, California with Felix lineage in Jerez, Zac. My grandmother, Antonia Fernandez married Simon Felix and later Trinidad Felix who became my grandfather...all fom Jerez. I have a birth doc. that says the father of Trinidad was Tomas Felix. Personal events at present prevent me from going into further detail at present but maybe we can explore this later on to see if there is a Felix connection somewhere?/Adelante 

-----Original Message-----
From: Emilia 
Sent: Mar 14, 2005 6:24 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Reveles-Acevedo-Felix of Jerez and Tepetongo, Zacatecas



Hello,

I am new to the group.  I am doing research for a friend of mine who 
lives in San Diego.

His grandfather was Nicolas Reveles who was born on Dec 6, 1878 in 
Jerez.  He died in Los Angeles CA on Dec 31, 1947.  His first wife 
was Carmen Velasquez.  They were married in June 1902.  She died

Yanez/Nanez/Yanes of Nochistlan/Mexticacan

Well, hello yourself, Marge.  I was wondering what ever happened to you. I have traced my Olagues only as far back as the mid-1800's to A Santiago Olague and Eduviges Suriano from Tepetongo. They were the parents of my great grandfather Pedro Olague.  My great-grandfather married Rafaela Tinajero whose parents were Hilario Tinajero and Teodosia Flores.  I do know that all Olagues in Mexico are descended from Miguel Olague, but I still have to bridge the gap from my lines to his.  We are all primos, no?
 
     Nice to hear from you again,
 
         Emilie
         Port Orchard, WA.
 
----- Original Message -----
From: marge vallazza
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Yanez/Nanez/Yanes of Nochistlan/Mexticacan
 
Hi, Emilie!  Welcome!  Did you ever find anything on the Olagues?  I told you I'm descended from Miguel Olague in the 1600s.Marge V.:)
----- Original Message -----
From: Emilia
Sent: Monday

Zacatecas travel

Ed,

Here's a list of links with some information about your destinations. 
As you can see, Colotlán is not listed on the internet but I found 
the name of some local hotels.  Depending on who's travelling with 
you and if you're in adventurer mode or not, maybe it is better to 
make plans to stay somewhere else when visiting Colotlán.

Zacatecas, Zacatecas
http://www.zonaturistica.com/hoteles-mexico.php?idCd=617

Valparaiso, Zacatecas
http://www.zonaturistica.com/hoteles-mexico.php?idCd=615

Sombrerete, Zacatecas
http://www.zonaturistica.com/hoteles-mexico.php?idCd=613

Colotán, Jalisco
  Hotel Hacienda de los Gálvez
  Hotel Colotlán
  Hotel San Luis

Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes  
http://www.zonaturistica.com/hoteles-mexico.php?idCd=1

Last year I travelled to Zacatecas and Jalisco, but not exactly the 
same towns you're planning on visiting. In Zacatecas, Zac. there are 
many options available.  The smaller towns have fewer options and you 
have to be prepared for the very basic

Olague-Garcia-Tinajero-Suriano of Jerez and Tepetongo, ZAC.

Emilie, welcome to our group.  Hey, I'm also from the
Garcia de la Cadena from Jerez, Zacatecas.  

Alberto Duarte Prieto

--- Emilia  wrote:
> 
> Hello, I am new to the group.
> 
> My father was Guadalupe Olague born in Jerez on Jan.
> 28, 1903. He 
> died in Sept 1966 in San Jose, CA.   His father was
> Francisco Olague 
> (born around 1874 in Jerez or Tepetongo and died in
> Brush, Colorado 
> on May 9, 1943) and his mother was Gorgonia Garcia
> who died in Jerez 
> around the turn of the last century.  Francisco's
> father was Pedro 
> Olague.  His mother was Rafaela Tinajero (born about
> 1838 in Jerez or 
> Tepetongo and died in Brush Colorado on April 14,
> 1941).  Pedro and 
> Rafaela were married in Tepetongo on March 21, 1863.
>  Pedro's father 
> was Santiago Olague and his mother was Eduviges
> Suriano.  Rafaela's 
> father was Hilario Tinajero and her mother was
> Teodosia Flores.  
> Gorgonia's father was Ignacio Garcia and her mother
> was Maria 
>

Garcia-Ornelas-Morones-Calzada of Encarnacion de Diaz, Jal.

In my husband's family, Lugardo Fonseca married Maria Del Refugio Ornelas in
San Diego De Alejandria in Jalisco in 1841, daughter of Benito Ornelas from
Arandas. His father was Jose Blas Ornelas of San Juan Perez. Maybe you will
find a connection. We, too, live in Washington State - in Yakima. Good
Luck. Evie


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Zacatecas travel

Title: Zacatecas travel

I am planning to go to Zacatecas in four weeks. My original plan was to stay in Zacatecas, Zacatecas (Quinta Real Zacatecas Hotel) as a base, traveling on day trips to Valparaiso, Sombrerete, Colotlan, and Aguascalientes. I would appreciate any comments on alternative accomodations, alternative towns I can use a base, local hotels, rental cars, or guides. Actually the Quinta Real Zacatecas, sounds like a neat place.



Maybe some of you have traveled there. I have never seen much of Mexico except the tourist resort spots or the border towns.



Thank you,



Ed Serros.

Yanez/Nanez/Yanes of Nochistlan/Mexticacan

Hi, Emilie!  Welcome!  Did you ever find
anything on the Olagues?  I told you I'm descended from Miguel Olague in
the 1600s.Marge V.:)
----- Original Message -----
From:
Emilia
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 8:37
PM
Subject: [ranchos] Yanez/Nanez/Yanes of
Nochistlan/Mexticacan


Hello, I am new to the group.

Most of my
maternal lines hail from the 400 year old gene pool of el
Reino de Nuevo
Mexico (up and down the Rio Grande from Taos to
Juarez), but I recently
traced one line back to Nochistlan and
Mexticacan in Jalisco. 


My g-g-g-g grand-parents were Jose Andres Felix Yanez and Paula

Josefa Lopez of la Hacienda de los Delgadillos en el Pueblo de

Nochistlan.  Their son Jose Pablo Nanes (born at that Hacienda in

Nochistlan around 1788) married Ma. del Carmen Ramona Membrila in

Juarez on April 27, 1822.  Andres and Paula had other children born

in Mexticacan.

Hoping to make a
connection,

    Emilie
     

Olague-Garcia-Tinajero-Suriano of Jerez and Tepetongo, ZAC.

Hello, I am new to the group.

My father was Guadalupe Olague born in Jerez on Jan. 28, 1903. He 
died in Sept 1966 in San Jose, CA.   His father was Francisco Olague 
(born around 1874 in Jerez or Tepetongo and died in Brush, Colorado 
on May 9, 1943) and his mother was Gorgonia Garcia who died in Jerez 
around the turn of the last century.  Francisco's father was Pedro 
Olague.  His mother was Rafaela Tinajero (born about 1838 in Jerez or 
Tepetongo and died in Brush Colorado on April 14, 1941).  Pedro and 
Rafaela were married in Tepetongo on March 21, 1863.  Pedro's father 
was Santiago Olague and his mother was Eduviges Suriano.  Rafaela's 
father was Hilario Tinajero and her mother was Teodosia Flores.  
Gorgonia's father was Ignacio Garcia and her mother was Maria 
Guadalupe Rodriguez.

I am 65 years old, was born in Brush Colorado, and we are retired.  
We moved from Silicon Valley to Washington State in 1996.

Hoping to make a connection,

     Emilie
      Port Orchard, WA.

Yanez/Nanez/Yanes of Nochistlan/Mexticacan

Hello, I am new to the group.

Most of my maternal lines hail from the 400 year old gene pool of el 
Reino de Nuevo Mexico (up and down the Rio Grande from Taos to 
Juarez), but I recently traced one line back to Nochistlan and 
Mexticacan in Jalisco.  

My g-g-g-g grand-parents were Jose Andres Felix Yanez and Paula 
Josefa Lopez of la Hacienda de los Delgadillos en el Pueblo de 
Nochistlan.  Their son Jose Pablo Nanes (born at that Hacienda in 
Nochistlan around 1788) married Ma. del Carmen Ramona Membrila in 
Juarez on April 27, 1822.  Andres and Paula had other children born 
in Mexticacan.

Hoping to make a connection,

    Emilie
      Port Orchard, WA.

     




Reveles-Acevedo-Felix of Jerez and Tepetongo, Zacatecas

Hello,

I am new to the group.  I am doing research for a friend of mine who 
lives in San Diego.

His grandfather was Nicolas Reveles who was born on Dec 6, 1878 in 
Jerez.  He died in Los Angeles CA on Dec 31, 1947.  His first wife 
was Carmen Velasquez.  They were married in June 1902.  She died 
around 1905 in Jerez.  Nicolas' father was Francisco Reveles (born 
about 1852) in Tepetongo.  His mother was Petra Acevedo (born about 
1856) in Tepetongo.  Francisco's father was Leandro Reveles (born 
around 1835, died June 8, 1901).  His mother was Tomasa Felix.  
Petra's father was Diego Acevedo, her mother was Eduviges Perez.

Hoping to make a connection,

     Emilie
        Port Orchard, WA.






Garcia-Ornelas-Morones-Calzada of Encarnacion de Diaz, Jal.

I am new to the group.

I am researching my husband's ancestors.  HIs great-grandfather was 
Simon Garcia who was born in Enc. de Diaz, Jalisco on Oct. 28, 1864.  
He died in Los Angeles CA in 1930.  His father was Estanislado Garcia 
(born about 1825)his mother was Antonia Ornelas.  Antonia is listed 
as "Hija natural de Ramona Ornelas".  Estanislado's father was Jose 
Maria Garcia (born about 1797) and his mother was Gregoria Morones 
(born about 1792).  They were married on June 10, 1818.  Jose Maria's 
father was Jph. Cayetano Garcia, his mother was Anacleta Calzada.  
They were married on Oct. 5, 1791.  Gregoria's father was Trinidad 
Morones, her mother was Ygnacia Gonzales.

I am 65 years old, retired.  We moved to Washington State from 
Silicon Valley in 1996.

Hoping to make a connection,

    Emilie
     Port Orchard WA.




Aguirre-Martines of Aguascalientes

Hello, I am new to the group.

I am researching my husband's ancestors.  His grandmother's mother 
was Maria Castula Aguirre, born in Enc. de Diaz, Jal in 1843.  Her 
parents were Jose Ysabel Aguirre (born 1809) and Maria Apolonia 
Martines (born in 1816).  Jose Ysabel's parents were Valentino 
Aguirre and Juana Marin.  His grandparents were Torivio Aguirre (born 
1743)and Gertrudis de Alva (born 1745).  They were married in 
Aguascalientes in 1763.  Maria Apolonia's parents were Patricio 
Martines (born around 1795 in Real de Asientos) and Mria Maxima Duron 
(born on Sept 11, 1792.  Patricio's parents were Julian Martin and 
Dolores Garcia.  Maria Maxima's parents were Felis Duron Esparza 
(born in 1748) and Ma. Josefa de los Reyes Roman (born in 1755).  
Felix's parents were Franco. Duron and Ma. de Esparza.  Ma. Josefa's 
parents were Jose Deonicio Reyes and Maria Josefa Roman.

I am 65 years old, retired.  We moved to Washington State from 
Silicon Valley in 1996.

Hoping to make

Garcia-Cervantes of Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco

Hello all ---

I am new to the group.  I am researching the ancestry of my husband's 
grandfather Primitivo Garcia who was born somewhere in Jalisco in the 
late 1800's. His mother was Marciana Cervantes, born around 1871 in 
Encarnacion de Diaz, Jal.  Her father was Ysac Cervantes, who 
married  Maria Castula Aguirre, who was born in Enc. de Diaz on Feb 
27, 1843.  Ysac's father was Jose de la Encarnacion Talamantes, who 
married Dorotea Cervantes.  For some reason, Ysac took his mother's 
surname instead of his father's.  Dorotea's father was Juan Jose 
Cerbantes, her mother Juliana Rubalcaba.  The father of her husband 
was Jose Segundo Talamantes, the mother was Maria Dieguina.

I am 65 years old, retired, and we moved from Silicon Valley to 
Washington State in 1996.

Hoping to make a connection,

   Emilie 
    Port Orchard, WA.




Provoked Revisited



I just want to say that there is no limitation being imposed on any
members of the group from posting "without limit" all on-topic
messages. I've enjoyed the various threads and it makes me so happy to
see you all extend another 5 star spike that ties the group together
even stronger than it was before. We truely are a Familia. A new goal
I'd like to strive for is for every member of the group to find someone
else in the group that is researching their specific geographic area
and make a bloodline connection with them. Yes I realize that will be
one hard goal to reach but we have to make an effort to get there.



How can we do this?:



well if you haven't found anyone looking in your specific area why not
invite a few people that give every indication of being serious
researchers? I can't show you how to use the various message boards
found around the genealogy net to find and recruit those that have
"serious researcher" written all over them [well that at lease seem to
have that

Open For Discussion/Limiting Specific Discussion

I agree.  While most of the emails, (ok, all of
them) don’t really pertain to me, I like to read when someone discovers a
relative.  It prompted me to ask if
anyone had ties to my lines.  No
one did, but I got REALLY good information from Angie and Joseph (thanks
again!).  Hearing different ideas
on where to look is really helpful and beneficial to all of us. 

 

……I also
just really like reading other peoples email.  Hahahahaha.  If
people have a problem with these, just do what Joseph has suggested and change
your profile to “Digest”.

 

Peggy
Delgado

 

-----Original
Message-----

From: Josie T. Trevino
[mailto:Josiett3@...]

Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 10:01
AM

To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com

Subject: FW: [ranchos] Open For
Discussion/Limiting Specific Discussion

 

Hi!    I
am hanging in there too.........(Irma Gomez Lucero: I also have SOTO which I
have done almost nothing on!  :-)   We will be in touch,
ok?)  I truly appreciate the e-mails.......ALL OF THEM.......if

FW: [ranchos] Open For Discussion/Limiting Specific Discussion

Hi!    I am hanging in there
too.........(Irma Gomez Lucero: I also have SOTO which I have done almost
nothing on!  :-)   We will be in touch, ok?)  I truly
appreciate the e-mails.......ALL OF THEM.......if they do not pertain to my
lineages..... I simply delete them and look forward to the next ones! 
I have learned so much just from reading all the e-mail that different people
send in..........PLEASE do not take these into private
e-mails.......Thanks!
 
Josie in San Antonio



From: Irma GomezLucero
[mailto:igomezlucero@...]
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 10:13
AM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ranchos] Open
For Discussion/Limiting Specific Discussion

Mis cinco centavos:  Although I haven't made
connections, (I have Alvarez, Soto & Mota),  I appreciate hearing
about these lines.  Hopefully, I will eventually make a connection as
I hear more.  Maria making a connection is a perfect example. 
Please don't taken these into private emails. 
Irma



From: Joseph

Alvarez, Soto and Mota files

Irma, 
Check out our ranchos files.  We have 34
Alvares/Albares, 59 Mota and 1 Soto in our files.  Our one Soto is married
to a Campos.  The Alvares and Mota lines should be in their own
files.   We also have 3 Gomes names, but the are in Lagos de Moreno,
Jal. area, and there aren't too many Ranchos members in that
area.
 
 
Rich and Kitty Cortez
 
 


From: Irma GomezLucero
[mailto:igomezlucero@...]
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 8:13
AM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ranchos] Open
For Discussion/Limiting Specific Discussion

Mis cinco centavos:  Although I haven't made
connections, (I have Alvarez, Soto & Mota),  I appreciate hearing
about these lines.  Hopefully, I will eventually make a connection as
I hear more.  Maria making a connection is a perfect example. 
Please don't taken these into private emails. 
Irma



From: Joseph Puentes [mailto:makas@...r.com]

Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 5:14 AM
To:
LosRanchos
Subject: [ranchos] Open For Discussion/Limiting

Open For Discussion/Limiting Specific Discussion

Mis cinco centavos:  Although I haven't made
connections, (I have Alvarez, Soto & Mota),  I appreciate hearing
about these lines.  Hopefully, I will eventually make a connection as
I hear more.  Maria making a connection is a perfect example. 
Please don't taken these into private emails. 
Irma



From: Joseph Puentes [mailto:makas@...r.com]

Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 5:14 AM
To:
LosRanchos
Subject: [ranchos] Open For Discussion/Limiting Specific
Discussion

this is open for discussion:

The idea was brought up about
suggesting that specific discussion about particular details of genealogy ties
be taken to private email after the inital flow of communication since it would
not be revelent to most members of the group. Hmmm . . .

Well first off
it seems to me that in the recent upsurge of discussion "provoked" by Carol
Lester (con carino) Maria Cortez might have been "forgotten" for possibly awhile
if that thread had been quickly taken to private email. I really don't like

Open For Discussion/Limiting Specific Discussion

Title: Re: [ranchos] Open For Discussion/Limiting Specific Discussion

Joseph,



I was hoping someone else would say this since I am new to this group. I am happy these people are communicating and moving on in their genealogy quest but I do not need to know about any of the details. Private email is the obvious solution and it is not clear to me why these people are not making use of it.



Respectfully,



Ed





On 3/13/05 5:13 AM, "Joseph Puentes" wrote:




this is open for discussion:



The idea was brought up about suggesting that specific discussion about particular details of genealogy ties be taken to private email after the inital flow of communication since it would not be revelent to most members of the group. Hmmm . . .



Well first off it seems to me that in the recent upsurge of discussion "provoked" by Carol Lester (con carino) Maria Cortez might have been "forgotten" for possibly awhile if that thread had been quickly taken to private email. I really don't like

Is this name Unusual?

Felipe Neri is a compound or composite name that I've encountered 
frequently on my IGI searches.  I believe as some of you have 
explained that it goes after the saint Felipe de Neri. 

However, Neri by itself is also a surname, like Rodolfo Neri Vela, 
the first mexican astronaut.

Victor

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, makas@n... wrote:
> 
> FELIPA NERI PALAFOX MEDINA  		
> 01 JUN 1794   	San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
>    	Father:  	YSIDRO PALAFOX 	Family
>    	Mother:  	MARIA SIMONA MEDINA 	
> 	C602865  	1790 - 1805  	0443675
> ===================================================
> ===================================================
> FELIPE NERI SERRANO AVILA
> 08 JUN 1803       San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
>        Father:      PEDRO SERRANO     Family
>        Mother:      MARIA CORONA DE AVILA
>      C602865      1790 - 1805      0443675
> =============================
> 
> Has anyone heard the name Felipe/Felipa Neri much?
> 
> 
> 
> I found this blip about Neri

Is this name Unusual?

-In the Catholic Church there is a St. Philip Neri (yes, he was 
Italian - I don't know anything more). Does this help?
- ncc-- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, makas@n... wrote:
> 
> FELIPA NERI PALAFOX MEDINA  		
> 01 JUN 1794   	San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
>    	Father:  	YSIDRO PALAFOX 	Family
>    	Mother:  	MARIA SIMONA MEDINA 	
> 	C602865  	1790 - 1805  	0443675
> ===================================================
> ===================================================
> FELIPE NERI SERRANO AVILA
> 08 JUN 1803       San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
>        Father:      PEDRO SERRANO     Family
>        Mother:      MARIA CORONA DE AVILA
>      C602865      1790 - 1805      0443675
> =============================
> 
> Has anyone heard the name Felipe/Felipa Neri much?
> 
> 
> 
> I found this blip about Neri it sounds Italian:
> 
> http://www.midrealm.org/heraldry/escutcheon/0011/0011.html
> 
> 3) Catalana Di Neri. New Name.
> 
> (Würm Wald)
> 
> The client attaches a