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Luevano serna line

A day after discovering that one of your Serna line was originally De la Cerda,
I decided to search your other Serna line as De La Cerda or Lopez De la Cerda.

Bingo!

Maria Salome Serna is baptized Maria Salome Cerda Dias on the 29/Oct/1826 in Villa Hidalgo, Jalisco.

I originally had Ma. Salome’s father as Leocadio Serna. Her father is José Leocadio de la Cerda who was baptized on 18/Dec/1791 in Teocaltiche, Jalisco.
Jose Leocadio de la Cerda is the son of Jose Norberto De la Cerda and Maria Antonia Ponce.

Maria Salomés mother, Ramona Dias, was baptized with the name “Maria Gertrudis Ramona Dias Avila”. Ramona’s parents are Jose Vicente Diaz De Santiago and Petra Josefa Avila. Ramona Diaz passes away before 3/Mar/1832.

José Leocadio de la Cerda (Serna) marries again on 3/Mar/1832 in Villa Hidalgo Jalisco to Maria Mariana De Soto, daughter of José María De Soto and Rafaela Gonzalez.

Jose Norberto De la Cerda and Maria Antonia Ponce were married 20/Aug/1780 in Theocaltiche, Jalisco.

Jose Norberto De La Cerda is the son of Francisco De la Cerda and María Polonia Ynojosa that were married on 12/May/1751 in Theocaltiche, Jalisco.

Francisco de la Cerda is the son of Jose De la Cerda and María Antonia Arismenez. .

María Antonia Ynojosa is the daughter of Juan De Ynojosa and María Montañés.[possibly Martinez]

José Vicente Diaz De Santiago (born in 1772, died 17/Oct/1848) and Petra Josefa Avila were married 3/May/1795 in Aguascalientes.

Petra Josefa Avila is the daughter of José María Avila and Rita Martin.

Jose Vicente Diaz De Santiago is the son of Jose Geronimo Inocencio and Clara Josefa Lomelin. Clara Josefa Lomelin passes away before 2/Nov/1783 as on that date he marries Nestora Delgado in Villa Hidalgo, Jalisco. Nestora is the daughter of Ramon Delgado and Maria Matilde Campos. José Vicente passes away on 17/Oct/1848 in Aguascalientes.

Jose Geronimo Inocencio Diaz De Santiago and Clara Josefa Lomelin were married on 29/Feb/1756 in Nochistlan, Zacatecas. Jose Geronimo Inocencio is the son of Luis Diaz De Santiago and Catharina Ruiz De Salazar. Clara Josefa Lomelin is the daughter of Gerardo Lomelin and María Josefa Delgadillo.

Alex Mercado has provided me with a marriage dispensation that leads to a vast amount of information that shows the ancestry of María Josefa Delgadillo. I will post this information at a later date. It includes another descendancy from Toribio Hernandez Arellano and Isabel Mendoza.

I am still unsure of Gerardo Lomelin’s ancestry.

Luis Diaz De Santiago and Catharina Ruiz De Salazar have two sons that marry two daughters of Gerardo Lomelin and Maria Josefa Delgadillo on the same date in a double wedding. This double wedding provides valuable information as there are details in one record that are not in the other. There is a strong probability that a third son of theirs also married another daughter of Gerardo Lomelin and Maria Josefa Delgadillo as the dates, locations and circumstances all point to this conclusion.

Rick A. Ricci

A) Toribio Hernández de Arellano and Isabel Hurtado de Mendoza ( I have previously posted the probable ancestry to Toribio Hernandez De Arellano)

B) Ana Sanchez (the Sanchez surname comes from Toribio’s father) and Juan Becerra

C) Leonor Becerra y Sánchez de Mendoza and Juan Lopez De Elizalde (son of Miguel Lopez De Elizalde and Maria De Aberruza)

Juan Lopez De Elizalde and Leonor Becerra y Sánchez de Mendoza are the parents of Maria Lopez De Elizalde, the wife of 1). Juan Luevano [1].

1). Juan Luevano [1] (born in 1590’s) and Maria Lopez De Elizalde {daughter of c) Juan Lopez De Elizalde and Leonor Becerra y Sánchez de Mendoza}

2). Juan Luevano [2] (born abt 1617) and Maria Alvarado (daughter of Pedro Alvarado and Magdalena Frías)

3). Juan Luevano [3] (born in 1647) and Maria Delgado (daughter of Jose Delgado and Francisca Gabay) (Francisca Gabai descends from Moctezuma II)(Francisca Gabai also descends from Lope Ruiz De Esparza. I have previously posted info on Lope’s ancestry)

4). Joseph Luevano and Tomasa Carrion ( daughter of Jose De Carrion and Paula Munoz De Hermosillo)

5). José Alejo Luebano and Maria De Jesus Gil (also spelled Jil, Xil) ( daughter of Francisco Gil and Petronila Efigenia Casillas)

5). José Estanislao Luevano and Maria Salome Gomez (daughter of Cipriano Gomez and Maria Manuela Macias.

7). Pablo Luevano and Manuela Serna (daughter of Jose Leocadio Serna Ponce and Ramona Días)

8). Tiburcio Luevano and Manuela Martinez (daughter of Timoteo Martinez Lopez and Maria Fermina Ruvalcaba y Yáñez)

9). José del Socorro Luevano y Martínez (Patrick Cardona’s grandfather)

Rick A. Ricci

Dear Pat,

Here is the baptismal record of your grandfather Jose del Socorro Luebano Martinez:

.José del Socorro Luebano
Event Type Baptism
Event Date 18 May 1892
Event Place La Santísima Trinidad, Villa Hidalgo, Jalisco, Mexico
Gender Male
Father's Name Tiburcio Luebano
Mother's Name Manuela Martinez
Citing this Record
México, Jalisco, registros parroquiales, 1590-1979, database with images, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J9HT-GTR : 16 February 2017), Tiburcio Luebano in entry for Jose del Socorro Luebano, 18 May 1892; citing Baptism, La Santísima Trinidad, Villa Hidalgo, Jalisco, Mexico, parroquias Católicas Jalisco (Catholic Church parishes, Jalisco); FHL microfilm 1,155,558.

The link to the actual record is :

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-G57L-ZZ?i=668&cc=18745…

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-G57L-ZZ.jpg?ctx=CrxCtx…

Rick A. Ricci

Correction as to José María Martinez’s parents surnames

I believe that José María Martinez is the son of Cayetano Martinez De Sotomayor and Maria Margarita De los Dolores De la Cerda.

I had mistakenly written Serna instead of Cerda. I had also left out “De Sotomayor “ The full surname is Martinez De Sotomayor.

Rick A. Ricci

Dear Pat,

Estanislao Luebana son of Alejo Luevano and Maria De Jesus Gil

Alejo Luevano is the son of Jose Luevano and Thomasa Carrion

Maria De Jesus Gil is the daughter of Francisco Gil and Petra Efegenia Casillas

Maria Salome is the daughter of Cipriano GOMEZ and Maria Manuela Macias

Francisco Gil is the son of Juan Gil and Bernarda Lopez (aka Ruiz De Esparza)

Here is the mulatto side of the family:

Petra Efigenia/ Efegenia Casillas is the daughter of Juan Casillas and Maria Jacinta De Moya (both Juan and Maria Jacinta are free mulattos)

Maria Jacinta de Moya was the daughter of Juan De Moya (slave) and Juana De la Cruz

You can find some of this info at https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/De_Luevana-96

Not all my information is in the wikitree lines so don’t forget to compare the information I am providing to what is posted in wikitree.

I am related to you distantly through many of these lines.

Rick A. Ricci

Dear. Pat,
Here is more information for your family tree:

Maria Fermina Ruvalcaba is the daughter of Juan Manuel Rubalcaba and Maria Francisca Yanes (aka Aguayo).

Maria Fermina is bap. On 8/Jul/1832 in Villa Hidalgo, Jalisco

Juan Manuel Ruvalcaba is the son of Antonio Gonzalez De Ruvalcaba and Manuela De Soto.

Maria Francisca Yáñez is the daughter of Hegenio Villanueva and Maria Albina Yáñez

Juan Manuel and Maria Francisca Yáñez were married 1/Oct/1828 in Villa Hidalgo, Jalisco.

Rick A. Ricci

Dear Pat,

Jose Pablo Luevano and Maria Manuela Serna were married on 3/May/1844 (Villa Hidalgo, Jalisco)
Jose Pablo Luevano (born in 1816, baptized on 10/Mar/1816, Villa Hidalgo) is the son of Estanislao Luevano and Maria Salome Gomes. Estanislao and Ma,Salome were married in 9/Sep/1812 in Aguascalientes.
Maria Manuela Serna (bap. 26/Dec/1828, Villa Hidalgo, Jalisco) is the daughter of Leocadio Serna and Ramona Diaz.

Jose Timoteo and Fermina were married on 3/Mar/1851 in Villa Hidalgo Jalisco.
Jose Timoteo Martínez (bap. 7/Feb1826, Villa Hidalgo, Jal.) is the son on José María Martinez and Maria Paula Lopez.
Timoteo married a second time to Yrinea Gallegos in 1869.
José María Martinez is the son of Cayetano Martinez and Margarita De la Serna.

Maria Paula De la Merced Lopez is bap. 3/Feb/1799 in Teocaltiche, Jalisco is the daughter of Jose Luciano Lopez and Maria Petra del Carmen De Olmos.
José María And Ma.Paula De la Merced were married on 11/Aug/1816 in Villa Hidalgo, Jalisco.
José Luciano López and Maria Petra del Carmen De Olmos were married 11/Apr/1787 in Teocaltiche, Jalisco.

José Luciano López is the son of Pedro Lopez Velarde and Rosa De Chavez. Maria Petra del Carmen is the daughter of Cristoval Olmos and Maria Magdalena Cervantes. Cristoval Olmos and Maria Magdalena Cervantes were married on 21/Apr/1765 in Teocaltiche, Jalisco.

Good luck in your research,
Rick A. Ricci

Wow! According to his IM, Cristobal Lopez cc Micaela Moreno de Quezada was hijo de padres no conocidos. Now we know who his biological mother is! Here's his 22 Dec 1703 IM with Micaela Moreno, who was hija natural of Manuel Moreno de Quezada and Nicolasa Narvaez (who herself was hija natural of Francisco Narvaez and Catalina de la Cruz of SLP, and sister of Francisca Narvaez, biological mother of Francisco Sanchez de la Mejorada):
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-BLSJ-R?cc=1804458
And here's their marriage:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-BW9S-BS?i=30&wc=3PS9-P…

Great find, for anyone who descends from these folks!

Saludos!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

Dear Lisa,

Gerardo Lomelin and Josefa Delgadillo had at least two daughters that married two brothers. A third brother also married a girl surnamed Lomelin that I suspect is also a daughter of Gerardo Lomelin and Maria Josepha Delgadillo. I am also stuck at Gerardo Lomelin and Josepha Delgadillo. I was hoping that you would provide the information that you have on this family so that I may be able to put it together with the pieces of the puzzle that I have. I’m hoping that puttting the pieces together will provide more clues.

Thanks
Rick A. Ricci

Hi Lisa,

This has happened to all of us that one marriage record where parents are not listed
or "no conocido", etc. I find it annoying, but the search must go on. I have several
Nochistlan lines that go to this period 1710-1727 or so where the parents are not
listed. Your best bet would be the bautismos to see if any Gerardos are in there.
I only have one Gerardo de Lomelin baptized 7 Dec 1678 it is a strong possibilty
this may be your ancestor I say this because the Lomelin usually stayed in Nochistlan,
only after the XVII century did they heavily marry outside Nochistlan. This Gerardo
was son of Gabriel de Lomein and Melchora de los Reyes. You could also
try looking for a death record. Pin pointing when he had his last child whether
it says ya difunto o vivo, this creates a time frame when he should have died. You
should do the same Josepha Delgadillo.

Daniel Méndez Camino

Hi Debbie,

I'm seeing the parents of Francisco Perez as Jose Antonio Perez & Maria Dolores Rangel (also Maria Antonia Rangel), and parents of Petra Hernandez as Urbano Hernandez & Maria Guadalupe Perez (Indios). Here is Pedro Pablo's baptism 01 Jul 1828:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-BQ75-T?i=238&wc=3PSM-G…

He was born on Santa Rita, which was a hacienda located in the northern portion of Sierra de Pinos, and today called Villa Hidalgo, Zac.

Here is Gregoria Perez's 10 May 1826 baptism:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-BQ4J-Q?i=95&wc=3PSM-GP8

Urbano Hernandez was son of Victoriano Hernandez & Maria de San Juan, and Maria Guadalupe Perez was daughter of Juan Perez and Maria Dolores Silva, per the 06 Mar 1806 baptism record of Jose Rudesindo Hernandez: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-BW2Z-M?i=610&wc=3PS9-J…

Hope that helps!
Saludos,
Manny Diez Hermosillo

hi to you ed my name is stephanie martinez and my 9th great grandparents were known as diego delgadillo and or maria isabel calderon ososco looking forward to hearing from you and or cousins in this group as i have some major brickwalls and cant find some of the earlier records pertaining to these individuals and many others. i do have a tree via ancestry.com dna has been submitted and or uploaded to gedmatch genesis my heritage and or family tree dna website.

Hi,

Send me a message through the group. I have a suggestion for you.

Rosalinda

Welcome, Delia. I love seeing new members with ties to Mezquital del Oro, Zac. My father was born in the US but was raised in Mezquital. His parents returned to Mexico when he was just a few months old. His father, Secundino Castaneda Cida, was born in Mezquital del Oro, Zac. in 1902. Secundino's great grandmother was a Flores, but I haven't been able to find very much information on her or her husband. Definitely look into FamilySearch.org, if you haven't already. I have been able to find a lot of great records there for free. Best of luck to you!
Sandra

Delia, if you haven't already seen this, it should help jump start your research. It's free, but you'll have to register as a user to view most docs.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-95L8-6MX?i=503&wc=MDPS…

Sorry Joseph my email is annaa_smith@yahoo.com
Thank you
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Hola Janene:

La Sierra Gorda de Querétaro ha sido un territorio difícil de conquistar y de controlar. Después de la Segunda Intervención Francesa (1867) el territorio fue controlado por el resto del ejército conservador comandado por el General Rafael Olvera Ledesma hasta finales del siglo XIX. Después de ésto el control de la zona se dividió en varios cacicazgos, lo dueños de la tierra tenían sus pequeños ejércitos y no siempre colaboraban con el gobierno. Estas fricciones pudieron haber causado la muerte de Miguel Ramírez. La información sobre su muerte puede estar en el Archivo del Tribunal Superior de Justicia de Querétaro, puedes acceder a su portal electrónico en línea.

Respecto de su participación en acciones de guerra es necesario distinguir entre la Revolución Mexicana que fue desde 1910 y al guerra cristera que fue a principios de los años 30s.

Sería importante saber en dónde nació Miguel Ramírez.

Saludos

Marcelina

Rodrigo de Carbajal y Ullóa and Juana de Lomelín were married on Tuesday, 12 Sep 1628, in Nochistlán, Zacatecas, México.

[Foja s/n frente] "Año 1628 - don Rodrigo de Carbajal y doña Juana Lomelín ----- En doçe días del mes de setiembre de mill Y seysçientos y beynte y ocho años, cassé y belé a don Rodrigo de carbajal y Vlloa con doña Juana Lomelín hija de Carlos Lomelín Y de maría de benavidez su muger. fueron sus Padrinos Juan yñigues y Andrea cortez ffhas prim.o Las amonestaciones y lo firmé. ----- . . . Juan de Estrada (rúbrica)."

Their marriage record is in Microfilm # 0226724, Marriages 1627-1686, Nochistlán, Zacatecas, México.

Acta matrimonial de Rodrigo de Carbajal y Ullóa & Juana de Lomelín - 12 Sep 1628, Nochistlán

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15188-732-88?cc=1804458&wc=3…

Nochistlán > Matrimonios 1627-1686 > image 142 of 307

Fuente: "México, Zacatecas, registros parroquiales, 1605-1980," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15188-732-88?cc=1804458&wc=3… : accessed 13 August 2015), Nochistlán > Nochistlán > Matrimonios 1627-1686 > image 142 of 307; paróquias Católicas, Zacatecas (Catholic Church parishes, Zacatecas).

Aqui se puede ver que la información es correcta: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-TH5D?i=141&cc=1804458&…. Se encuentra en la pagina 142 del rollo 226724. El libro pertenece a la parroquia de Mexticacan.
Yo también tengo antecedentes Lomeli en Mexticacan pero solo alcanzo hasta medios de los 1700 con Julio de Lomeli y su esposa Maria Marcela de los Dolores de Jauregui.
¡Buena suerte!

Rick Fernández

Hola Sergio,

El libro de José Luis está correcto. El acta de matrimonio de Rodrigo de
Carvajal y Juana de Lomelín se encuentra en el Film No. 0226724 Matrimonios
1627-1686 Nochistlán, Zacatecas.

Saludos,
BILL FIGUEROA

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From:
To:
Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 12:21 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Juana de Lomelin y Rodrigo de Carbajal
deMexticacan

Segun el libro de "Genealogia de Nochistlan" de Jose Luis Vasquez, esta
pareja se caso el 12 de Septiembre de 1628 en Mexticacan. Busque en el libro
de Matrimonios de Nochistlan pero no encontre esta acta. No saben si el
libro del Sr. Vasquez tiene un error o esta acta se encuentra en otro libro
parroquial de Nochistlan.

Gracias.
Su Amigo Sergio

To talk about Italians in the 16th and 17th century is not entirely accurate as the Country that we know as Italy came together in the 1800’s The Italian Peninsula consisted of many rival city-states in the 16th and 17th centuries. The Lomellini was a family of Genoese origin that spread branches of the family to Portugal and Castilla in the 16th century. This family was deeply involved in business and the transporting of goods over the seas. This Lomelin family that came to what is now Mexico was from Castilla and Genoa. Genoa was closely associated with Castilla at that time. Some other property that now belongs to Italy was aligned with Aragon.

Before Ferdinand and Isabela married, Castilla and Aragon were also rival states. Even through their marriage they had separate administrations as Ferdinand let his personal administrators manage Aragon in his absence. I believe Toribio Hernandez Arellano descends from one of these administrators.

I have written many posts in the past on this website on Carlo Lomelin and Luis Lomelin. They both came from the Lomellini Castilian branch of the Genoese family. They both considered themselves to be both from Castilla and from Genoa. Most of the Lomelin /Lomeli from Jalisco and Zacatecas descend from Carlos Lomelin. My family tree also has a line of Lomelin that descends from Luis Lomelin

Rick A Ricci

Hola y gracias:

Me ha encantado la relación que compartiste ya que contiene el nombre de las estancias que hubo en la zona de Sierra de Pinos, pues muchos de los trabajos históricos que describen las haciendas se refieren a los siglos XIX y XX.

Con cuidado voy a revisar cada uno de los registros para saber si existe alguna relación con los linajes que he venido estudiando.

Te deseo un buen fin de año, que te encuentres contento y próspero en compañía de los que más quieres.

Marcelina

Hola Simona:

Habiendo leído algunas de las preguntas que has publicado ya sospechaba que la familia Alonso pertenecía a las familias colaterales de la familia Ramírez de Coy y al parecer así es, tomando en cuenta a la familia González-Alemán. Aunque es difícil trazar un seguimiento genealógico porque eran familias que tenían mucha movilidad ya que actuaban en forma de red mercantil te puedo dar algunos elementos históricos para que sitúes a tus antepasados:

La cabeza de la red eran los Duques de Béjar y Marqueses de Gibraleón que exportaban vino y frutos secos a Nueva España, el representante principal parece haber sido mi 11° abuelo Francisco Ramírez Bravo quien organizaba las operaciones en todos los virreinatos. Uno de sus yernos fue Gaspar González de Mora que era concretamente el encargado de distribuir las pipas de vino en las minas de Zacatecas y poblaciones aledañas. Gaspar era polígamo y tuvo problemas con la Inquisición por esta causa. Su primera esposa fue Francisca de Roxas (Ramírez de Coy) originaria de Puebla, con ella fundó una venta en la ciudad de Tula, sin embargo tuvo otra mujer en Toluca con una hijastra y lo demandaron por bigamia, pero no pudieron comprobarlo porque Gaspar utilizaba el nombre de Cristóbal de Valmayor y es el padre o abuelo de Jerónima Ramírez de Coy, una de las genearcas de Nueva Galicia.

Gaspar González adquirió mala fama porque fue un hombre muy violento, que golpeaba a toda persona que se opusiera a sus designios y existen registros de sus problemas con la justicia por ésta razón. Tanto la familia Ramírez como la familia Alemán participaban además en la administración del marquesado de Gibraleón en Huelva.

Hacia 1573 Gaspar González mandó traer a su hermano Melchor de Alemán a las Minas de Zacatecas prometiendo darle parte de su hacienda, el cuál pasó con su mujer e hijos según el siguiente registro: INDIFERENTE 2054,n.130-1,

Entonces la familia Alemán ya se encontraba en la zona de Zacatecas desde el siglo XVI y posiblemente se extendieron a Durango. Aunque no existen suficientes registros de Marcos de Alemán lo cierto es que ya existían al menos tres familias en Zacatecas y otras tres en Durango con dicho apellido.

Hay otros elementos para presumir que se trata del mismo grupo, la palabra Alonso usada como nombre o como apellido en su contexto significa "hermandad" y también creo que Alonso de los Hinojos pertenece a éste grupo.

Para profundizar en éste tema será necesario buscar los antecedentes históricos tanto de Zacatecas como de Durango, o esperar a que se reactive el portal del Archivo General de la Nación a ver si existen registros sobre tu familia.

Saludos

Marcelina

Hello David,

The word is "Oguio". Other spellings for this word are: ogio, hoguio, ahoguio or oguillo.

It is a synonym of "ahogo" = Difficulty in breathing.