MARIA DE LAS RUELAS and the daughters of JUAN MONTAÑÉS & MARIA DE SOTOMAYOR

Hola prim@s,

I have found some documents regarding some actions that Maria de las Ruelas took as guardian of her granddaughters - Victoria de las Ruelas, Luisa de Sotomayor, Elena de Sotomayor, Maria de Sotomayor and Ana de Santiago - all daughters of her daughter, Maria de Sotomayor, and of Juan Montañés, both deceased. These documents were all found in the archives of San Luis Potosi, since that is where Maria de las Ruelas lived, as early as July 1649.

If you recall, Juan Montañés had named Maria de las Ruelas as their guardian in his testamento of 29 Sep 1648. As for his male children - Juan, Bernabé and Manuel Montañés - they were initially placed under the guardianship of Montañés’ son-in-law, Juan de Salcedo (married to Petrona de Sotomayor), but in his codicil of 11 Oct 1648, Montañés changed this and named as their guardian Pedro de Salas, resident of Sierra de Pinos and owner of the hacienda called Santa Cruz. And his daughter, Juana Montañés - daughter of his third wife, Maria de Saldaña - was placed under the guardianship of the child’s maternal uncle, Juan de Saldaña.

The first document is dated 11 Jul 1649. In this one, Maria de las Ruelas granted power of attorney to Pedro de Salas, so that he could handle the estate sale. As Juan Montañés had named all of his minor children as his universal heirs, they were to receive an equal share of his estate. To facilitate distribution of the estate, everything would be put on the auction block, and then the proceeds divided among the children. On 4 Aug 1649, she again gives power to Pedro de Salas, it appears to consolidate the inheritance of the nine children. This one gives an inventory of some of Juan Montañés’ goods.

In 1654, Maria de las Ruelas was already in her early 70’s; as an elderly widow, she had little income, yet she was responsible for the upkeep of her 5 wards, and likely, of her spinster daughter, Josepha de las Ruelas. In their home, also lived the various slaves that belonged to the girls, as heirs of their father. Finding themselves in dire straits, it was decided that they’d sell two of the slaves. As the slaves belonged to the girls, Maria de las Ruelas only held them in trust, and she had to request permission of the judicial authorities to sell them, which she did on 7 Aug 1654. In her petition, she explained how they lived in abject poverty, and the only way to sustain themselves, was to sell the two slaves (which is odd, considering that they could’ve rented the slaves out, which I’ve seen others do, but I suppose they needed a “quick fix”). To establish her case, Maria de las Ruelas presented three witnesses: her son-in-law, Lucas de Santa Cruz (age 37), Alferez Bartolome de la Banda (age 50, more or less), and Don Andres de Estrada (age 50, more or less).

Other relevant documents:

In his testamento of 4 Aug 1653, Juan de Salcedo - husband of her granddaughter, Petrona de Sotomayor - recognized that he owed Maria de las Ruelas “100 pesos en reales, Los quales me prestó sobre la parte que me pertenece en las casas de morada en que al presente estoy”.

In 1654, Maria de las Ruelas negotiated the marriage and dowry of her granddaughter, Luisa Montañés de Sotomayor, to Juan Romero Gallardo. On 27 Nov 1654, he registered her carta de dote;in 1660, she negotiated the marriage and dowry of her granddaughter Maria Montañés de Sotomayor to Juan Diaz Melo, who registered reception of her dowry on 11 Sep 1660. Their dowries were relatively modest - under 600 pesos, when most of the dowries I’ve seen were well over 1000 pesos. Each included a slave - which was very common, from what I’ve seen.

Here is the bill of sale for a slave that Joseph de Avila sold on 21 Dec 1649, which belonged to his wife, Josepha de Sotomayor, another daughter of Juan Montañés and Maria de Sotomayor. She likely received the slave as part of her dowry, which would have been arranged by her father, since he was still alive when she married.

As I mentioned in another NR thread, Maria de las Ruelas appears in the 1668 San Luis Potosi padron, as head of household, living with daughters Josepha and Teresa de las Ruelas and some grandchildren. In that same thread, I share links to the folders containing documents regarding the inheritance that she received from her grandson, Antonio Diaz de la Guerta, as well as those regarding her children’s attempt to legally have her declared incompetent of handling her own affairs, in an apparent attempt to gain control of her newly acquired wealth.

Thank you to Mary Lou Montagna, for first bringing to light the existence of most of these documents and the events that they shed light on, and which also shed light on the character of our abuela, Maria de las Ruelas.

Saludos,
Manny Díez Hermosillo

Los Gutierrez de Mendoza

Hola Beatrice:

Gracias por tus lineas.
Es muy grato saber de ti y de tus esfuerzos y logros, te felicito
muchisimo
por todo eso, y eres inpiracion para mi en mis busquedas genealogicas.
Primero que nada, explicame como supiste de mi.

Que lastima que Don Mariano te haya tratado asi, pero ni modo, que
se le va a hacer.
Mencionas que publicastes tus investigaciones en un pequeño libro,
dime si tienes actualmente copias para vender, me interesa muchisimo
comprarte un ejemplar de tus investigaciones, ya que como te dije, somos
de la misma familia de los Gutierrez de Mendoza y me intersa completar lo
mas posible esta rama de mi genealogia, que es una de las mas completas
que tengo.

Te pongo mis datos generales, para que me conozcas un poco mas, y
espero que en tu respuesta tu hagas lo mismo:

Soy Tomás Alejandro Villegas Gómez, naci en esta bella ciudad de
Guadalajara, Jalisco (La Perla de Occidente) el 24 de Abril de 1962, por
lo que hace un mes cumpli 45 años de edad, soy soltero, Ingeniero Químico
egresado de la Universidad de Guadalajara, vivo en Av. Cientificos No. 704,
Col. Miraflores, C.P. 44270, ZP 2, Mi telefono es: (01 33) 3824-3558, soy el
primogenito de mi familia, tengo 6 hermanos, 2 mujeres y 4 hombres, mi
madre cuando naci queria ponerme el nombre de Jorge Alejandro, ya que
naci en el transcurso del dia 23 de Abril, dia de San Jorge y el 24 de Abril
dia de San Alejandro de Frigia (y de San Fidel entre otros), el dia de mi
cumpleaños mientras vivia Don Fidel Velazquez gran lider de la CTM, en
las noticias siempre decian como habia celebrado Don Fidel su Cumpleaños
cada 24 de Abril, pero ya murio, y ahora en las noticias ahora dicen sobre
como celebro su cumpleaños el cantante Alejandro Fernandez, hijo de
Vicente, ya que el tambien nacio el 24 de Abril por eso tambien se llama
Alejandro.
Como te decia, mi madre queria ponerme Jorge Alejandro, pero mi padre
al ser yo su primogenito, le dijo a mi madre que el queria que fuera el
"Junior", que me pusieran como primer nombre el de mi padre Tomas
y mi madre acepto y asi se decidio que yo fuera Tomas Alejandro, que
tambien me da orgullo llevar el nombre de Tomas por mi padre y mi
Bisabuelo, ya que mi bisabuero tambien era Tomas Villegas Flores, mi
padre es Tomas Villegas Gutierrez, nacio en Valle de Guadalupe, Jalisco
el 19 de Febrero de 1932, y por eso pertenesco a los Gutierrez de Mendoza,
ya que mi abuelita, la madre de mi padre era Mucia Gutierrez Ramirez, que
nacio en Valle de Guadalupe el 13 de Mayo de 1896, asi es que por via
paterna mis racices son Alteñas, mi madre nacio el 18 de Abril de 1937 en
Ocotlan, Jalisco, y mis raices via materna son del Area de la Cienega o
Rivera de Chapala.
Un dato curioso es el que, mis padres me pusieron Alejandro por el dia
de mi nacimiento, pero uno e los hermanos de mi padre tambien se llama
Alejandro, es Alejandro Villegas Gutierrez que nacio en Valle de Guadalupe
el 28 de Febrero de 1920, y desde hace muchos años vive y tiene toda su
familia en Tijuana, Baja California Norte, a mi tio sus contemporanos en
Valle de Guadalupe le dicen Jandocha, pero años despues, cuando trabajaba
de Peluquero en una Peluqueria cerca de la Central Camionera aqui en
Guadalajara, al parecer su patron se llamaba Chon (Jose Encarnacion) y le
decian Chonito, y asi tambien le decian a los empleados, y de alli resulta
que a mi tio Alejandro desde entonces tambien se le conoce como "Chonito",
y resulta que al enterarse que yo naci y que me habian puesto por nombres
Tomas Alejandro, el penso que habia sido en su honor el "Alejandro" y se
sintio muy halagado y orgulloso, y aunque yo se que me pusieron Alejandro
por el dia en que naci, de todos modos tambien me da orgullo llamarme
como mi Padre y mi Bisabuelo y por mi Tio.
Yo empece a interesarme por la Genealogia, despues de que murio mi
Abuelita Mucia Gutierrez Ramirez, precisamente, ella murio el 09-Sep-1985
aqui en Guadalajara, y poco tiempo despues de que fallecio, abrieron su
"petaquilla" donde guardaba lo mas importante y preciado para ella, y alli
estaban muchas fotografias antiguas que ahun actualmente, muchas de esas
fotos no sabemos quienes son los que aparecen en ellas, al parecer mi
abuelita
gurdaba celosamente esas fotos en su petaquilla y casi nunca las enseñaba
ni decia quienes eran los que en ellas aparecian, asi es que tengo el enigma
de
decifrar quienes son los personajes qe aparecen en esas fotos antiguas de mi

Saucedo, Udabe & Lopez de la Cerda of Teocaltiche, Jalisco

Hello everyone, My name is Cynthia Saucedo & I am a descendant of Juan Zacharias Saucedo Udabe.  I see there are posts on Nuestros Ranchos that are over 10 years old from other descendants of the Saucedo, Udabe, Lopez de la Cerda family line.  If anyone researching this family line is still active on this website I would like to collaborate.  It seems there is a brick wall with the grandparents of Juan Zacharias.  I am researching the Saucedo/Udabe/de la Cerda line from Teocaltiche, Jalisco.  Christoval Saucedo married Feliciana Udabe López de la Cerda around 1711.  There is no marriage record for them.  I have not been able to find any sources with the names of Christoval Saucedo’s parents nor have I been able to find any siblings of Christoval Saucedo. The parents of Feliciana, his wife, are Isidro Udabe & Rosa Manuela Lopez de la Cerda.  There is no marriage record for them however, their children are listed as legitimate children in each of their marriage records.  I have not been able to find death/burial records for Isidro Udabe or Rosa Manuela Lopez de la Cerda. 

The children of Isidro Udabe & Rosa Manuela Lopez de la Cerda are:

Feliciana Udabe López
b. no baptismal record, born between 1690-1698
m. Christoval Saucedo, no marriage record
d. no record, around 1745

Efigenia Udabe
b. baptized August 14, 1714, Nuestra de los Dolores Teocaltiche, Jalisco
m. April 18, 1738, to Francisco Xavier Lares López
d. no record

Joseph Manuel Udabe López
b.  no record
m. September 10, 1730, to Marcel Ruiz de Esparza Delgado
d. April 8, 1771

Diego Toribio Udabe López
b. no reocrd
m. February 16, 1744 to María Theresa Esparza Delgado
d. no record

Domingo Manuel Udabe López
b. no record
m. February 14, 1773 to Maria Micaela Enríquez
d. no record

Getrudis Udabe López
b. no record
m. April 27, 1733 to Juan Cristobal Chavez
d. no record

Juan Victorino Udabe López
b. no record
m. March 3, 1734 to Juana de Jesús Marin de Penaloza
d. no record

Juan de Santa María Udabe López
b. no record
m. April 21, 1736 to María Antonia Carrillo in Aguascalientes

 

The children of Christobal Saucedo & Feliciana Udabe Lopez are:

Ana Saucedo Udabe
b. March 31, 1711
m. no record
d. no reocrd

Francisco Antonio Saucedo Udabe
b. October 18, 1713
m. no record
d. no record

Ysidro Caietano Saucedo Udabe
b. September 3, 1715 in Cieneguilla, Aguascalientes
m. May 2, 1751 to Antonia Feliciana Yánez Esqueda in Teocaltiche
d. no record

Santiago Saucedo Udabe 
b. around 1719, no record
m. May 13, 1743 to Manuela de la Asención Rovalcava
d. no record, around 1769
*Looks like Santiago & his sister Juana Maria married into the same family (Rovalcava/Robalcaba)

Juan Zacharias Saucedo Udabe
b. June 16, 1721
m. October 23, 1748 to Margarita Ruiz Esqueda
d. no record

Juana Maria Saucedo María Saucedo Udabe
b. March 22, 1726
m. August 28, 1743 to Nicolás Timoteo de Rovalcava
d. September 25, 1774 in Calvillo Aguascalientes
*Looks like Juana Maria & his her brother, Santiago married into the same family (Rovalcava/Robalcaba)

José Antonio Saucedo Udabe
b. no record, about 1730
m. January 28, 1761 to Maria de los Dolores López Lozano in Aguascalientes
d. January 20, 1785 in Aguascalientes

Jose Christobal Saucedo Udabe
b. no record, about 1730
m. November 26, 1753 to Maria Margarita Ornelas
d. no record

Joseph Feliciano Saucedo Udabe
b. July 5, 1733
m. April 23, 1758 to Ana María Francisca Villalpando
d. no record

Francisca Saucedo Udabe
b. no record
m. no record
d. April 1798

 

New to the site

Greetings,

 

I am new to the site and recently began researching my grandparents (Pedo Araiza and Elena Rodriguez), both who passed before I was born.  Both migrated to the U.S. and ran a restaurant called the Texcoco Inn (Houston, TX). Found a couple of articles about them from the Sig Byrd archives (writer in Houston) but not much else of their families in Mexico. 

 

https://nuestrosranchos.org/karaiza

 

Ansurez/Onsures/Unsures

Hello Everyone,

I was hoping to find out if anyone has any variation of the aforementioned names in their family history. I have had a challenging time finding information on my mother’s side of the family beyond GG grandfather Ladislao Ansures and a GGG grandfather Ciriaco Ansures. I believe there may be a connection to a sibling Simon, and i think they ultimately resided in Chihuahua. I find the names fascinating, though! Thank you for any information or suggestions!

Alvidres in Jalisco

I'm looking for Alvidres in Jalisco. I know of one from Jalisco in 1710 (Nicolas Alvidres) but no others. The surname, however, abounds in Chihuahua and I'd like to find the connexion between Chihuahua and Jalisco (if any) of this family line. (It's also a curiosity to me since Alvidres appears fairly uncommon.) Gracias.

New to the site

Hello everyone, I'm new to the site and would like to introduce myself. My name is Daniel Hearn and am beginning my research on my mothers side of the family that have surnames of Ornelas (Ornelaz after coming to the United States), Lupercio, Garcia, Chavez, Chavoyo, Rodriguez, Luna and probably many more to come. My Grandfather moved with his family through Texas to California sometime in the 1930's. I believe it was due to the Cristero war. The most specific location I know of from my uncle is Rancho Mayor near Teocaltiche in the state of Jalisco. Through FamilySearch.org and Ancestry.com Library Edition. Due to the quality of records in naming parents and grandparents I've been able to trace a line but need to clean it up in order to get the dates correct. I have found some interesting points that substantiate family stories. I also am finding out family research can be difficult when faced with information that is difficult to accept or come to terms with. Either way, I hope to be as helpful as possible in this forum to teach and learn new things. Below is a link to my file that includes a copy of my Ahnentafel.

Best regards,
Daniel Hearn
Hola todos, Estoy nuevo en investigación genealógica. Algunos de los apellidos he encuentrada son Ornelas (Ornelaz tras cruzando a EEUU), Lupercio, Garcia, Luna, Rodriguez, y Chovoyo. La familia de mi Abuelo venía a EEUU durante la guerra Cristero en los años 1930's. Al llegar en California mi bisabuela era un traquero y toda su familia vivía en un vagón de cargo por un tiempo corto. La ubicación más espicífica he encuentrado es Rancho Mayor cerca Tepocaltiche en el estado de Jalisco. Otros lugares son, Paso de Sotos (Villa Hidalgo), y Aguascalientes. Según mis investigaciones espero ayudar todos quien interesada. Debajo de este párrafo aporto un link de mi Ahnentafel.

Saludos,
Daniel Hearn

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/GrabadoOrnelaz

Way to show 400 years of family

   Does anyone have an easy way to show 15+ generation pedigree for relatives that are curious about from where we immigrated, but don't want to spend much time looking at it?  You know the ones, they are not into genealogy, but they are interested in the direct line all the way back to the 1500's.  Some of those pedigree charts get really small.  Is there something on multiple pages that I could lay out on a table?  Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Relationship between Beltran de la Cueva Velasco and Ana Flores de la Torre

Greetings to all,

I am fairly new to genealogical research, but I am trying to establish solid proof a one particular line going back 15 generations. I have been able to establish many of the generations, but I am having some trouble with a few. I have searched this site (and others) and have read many of the forums on this site, which offered great help, but have not been able to locate documentation for some generations. I only included marriage dates for the moment, but can include other information, if needed. I will follow with the generations I am trying to link and find documentation for. I also realize that some names may vary as individuals sometimes shortened or used a variation of their surnames. Below is the lineage starting with myself:

  1. Gabriel Brambila
  2. Gabriel Brambila married Francisca Mendoza 
  3. Gabriel Brambila married Sulema Garza in 1949
  4. Gabriel Brambila married Josefina Garcia y Reyna in 1908
  5. Jose Felipe Brambila married Florencia Contreras Cuevas in 1880
  6. Jose Luis Brambila married Maria Feliciana Fregoso 
  7. Jose Casildo Brambila married Maria Rita Rafaela de la Paz Garcia in 1828
  8. Jose Bernadino de la Brambila de la Cueva married Maria Josefa Gomez
  9. Jose Reyes de la Brambila married Margarita de Jesus de la Cueva de Benavides in 1763 in Tecolotlan, Jalisco
  10. Juan de la Cueva de Mora married Rosalia Antonia Benavides Guido in 1741 in Tecolotlan, Jalisco
  11. Juan Beltran de la Cueva married Juana de la Mora in 1711 in Tecolotlan, Jalisco
  12. Beltran Fernandes married Tomasa (Tomasina) de Velasco de la Cueva in 1684 in Tecolotlan, Jalisco
  13. Francisco de Velasco y Temiño married Geronima de la Cueva; they lived in Tecolotlan, Jalisco
  14. Alonso de Velasco y Zuniga married Ana Flores de la Torre y Temiño; they lived in Juchipila, Zacatecas 
  15. Diego Flores de la Torre married Angela Temiño de Velasco 
  16. Pedro Pacho Rodriguez married Maria Ana Temiño de Velasco Alcocer y Bañuelos

As I mentioned above, I have been able to make a connection, with documentation, for many of the above generations (1 - 10). I am having trouble showing, with documentation (birth/baptism/marriage records), the connection for the following generations (11 - 14): 

11. Juan Beltran de la Cueva was the son Beltran Fernandes and Tomasina de Velasco de la Cueva

12. Tomasina de Velasco de la Cueva was the daughter of Francisco de Velasco y Temiño and Geronima de la Cueva

13. Francisco de Velasco y Temiño was the son of Alonso de Velasco y Zuniga and Ana Flores de la Torre y Temiño

14. Ana Flores de la Torre y Temiño was the daughter of Diego Flores de la Torre and Angela Temiño de Velasco

 

If anyone can assist it would greatly appreciated. 

 

Thank you in advance for the help,

Gabe Brambila 

Jose Rafael Orozco's wives

   Has anyone found the marriage of Jose Rafael Orozco/Orosco and Maria Guadalupe Vargas/Bargas?  Most likely in San Miguel el Alto, 1810-1817.

Is the Rafael Orosco that married Maria Ignacia Martin in 1824 the same Rafael Orosco that married Maria Guadalupe Bargas?  Ma Guadalupe died in 1822.  Her son, Jose Bitor Orosco Bargas has paternal grandparents listed in his baptismal record as: 

Jose Alejo( Bargas) y Orozco and Maria de San Juan Hernandez 

The Rafael Orozco/Maria Ignacia Martin line seems to be well researched, but I have not come across mention of a Ignacia being a second wife.

Any confirmation that I am coming to the correct conclusion that these is the same Rafael Orozco would appreciated.

More on the ancestry of Alonso de Estrada

Hola prim@s,

This is the Ejecutoria del pleito de hidalguía filed by Licenciado Diego Hernández de Vergara, dated 12 Jul 1548: http://pares.mcu.es:80/ParesBusquedas20/catalogo/description/5703246 
Licenciado Vergara was a 1st-cousin of treasurer & governor Alonso de Estrada, according to the very detailed genealogy given by Estrada’s cousin, Mari Fernández Hidalgo, in the 1585 limpieza of Jorge de Alvarado y Villafañe: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS2D-KSYH?cat=630488 
The genealogy given in this document coincides perfectly with that genealogy. It even goes back one more generation, and names Licenciado Vergara’s (and Estrada’s) great-grandfather as Juan Alonso, vecino de Ciudad Real (who apparently received a carta ejecutoria de su hidalguía from King Pedro de Castilla). Here’s what the family tree now looks like:

1st generation: Juan Alonso cc ?

2nd generation: Diego Hernández Hidalgo cc Mari González de Estrada

3rd generation:
a. Diego Hernández Hidalgo “el Mozo” cc María González de la Mora (abuelos de Mari Fernández Hidalgo). 
b. Anton Hernández Hidalgo cc Inés González (padres de Lᵈº Vergara). 
c. Fernando Hidalgo cc Francisca de Mazariegos (padres de Diego Mazariegos). 
d. Juan Hernández Hidalgo cc ? (padres de Alonso de Estrada).

This pleito was cited in the one filed on 22 Aug 1552 by Alonso de Estrada’s son, Luis Alfonso de Estrada, before the Sala de Hijosdalgo of the Chancellería de Granada. In that pleito, Luis Alfonso names his paternal grandfather as Juan Hidalgo, carpintero; according to Vergara’s pleito, Diego Hernández Hidalgo “el Viejo” was also a carpenter.

I hope you’re all doing well!
Saludos,
Manny Díez Hermosillo
 

Durango Researcher Javier R. Avitia

   Does anyone know how to contact Javier R. Avitia?  He has a database of thousands of individuals from Canelas, Durango, Mexico.  I mention this here because I believe a number of you do research in Durango.  I have found his posts online , but no way of contacting him.  The post are 17-25 years old.  He did live in Los Angeles.  I have made attempts to find him with no luck.  He definitely has lines I am researching.  Please let me know how to contact him or his relations or ask him to contact me.  Thanks.          celeste@agabra.com

Jalisco and Zacatecas Ancestors

Hello all!

I have just recently (last 6 months) started looking into my family history. All four of my grandparents came to the US from Mexico between 1916 and 1922. 

My father's paternal line is from Jalisco, mostly Lagos de Moreno and Etzatlan. I've hit a wall on his maternal side. I can't get beyond his mother's parents.

My mother's family is from Zacatecas. Her maternal line has roots in Sombrerete. But on her paternal line, I can't get beyond her grandparents. 

I have subscribed to Ancestry, which has helped in addition to Family Search. Are there digital archives from these states/cities in Mexico that we can access? Would appreciate any tips. 

Thanks!

Here is my folder: https://nuestrosranchos.org/monica_fisher

Marquez Ledesma in San Miguel el Alto

   I have found a Nieves Ledesma marrying Jesus Marquez(f.Felipe Marquez/mom Susana Martin) in 1840 and having a child with Jose Ana Marquez in 1841, both in San Miguel el Alto.  I believe they are part of Jose Joaquin Gutierrez de Laris(b~1689)/Cecilia Martin line.  Is there anyway I can confirm this is the same man?  The only time Nieves is listed with Jesus and not Jose Ana is the marriage and I can find no marriage for Nieves and Jose Ana.

Meaning of "coates"

Hello, I came across the word coate after a birth name. I'm not
sure if it is part of the name or a description. It is shown as
"Antonio coate mulato". I cannot tell if it is capitalized or not. Has
anyone come across this word in your research? I thought is
might be coyote, but mulato is listed right after.
Cynthia

Avila Huizar

Need help, can't find any info on my great grandfather or anyone before him.  I was told that my great grandfather Alfredo used his mother's maiden name Avila and Huizar - Paternal - Alfredo Avila Huizar from Jerez, Zacatecas. Anyone with info or where to look please do so.  I would greatly appreciate it. 

 

Bracamontes came out in my search

Orosco families in Arandas, Jalisco

I am a descendant of Dr Jeronimo Orosco from Seville, Spain. My 3rd great Grandmother was an Orosco from Arandas. My grandmother has always said she had a close relative that was Jewish, but didn't know exactly who. My grandmother has 5% Jewish DNA.

 I was watching a You Tube video on Hacienda San Sebastian and in the beginning of the video, the narrator stated that the owners of this hacienda, who were Oroscos, were Jewish Conversos. I know most of these Orosco families during that time, were related. Does anyone have any confirmation that they were indeed Jewish?