FW: Somos Prmos May 2015

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Dear Friends and Family:

As Cinco de Mayo events take place all over the United States, celebrating Mexico's historic victory against a superior French military force, a movement is taking place in Washington, D.C. to remove the early Colonial Spanish contributions of Father Junipero Serra from public view.

A statue of Father Serra is in the U.S. Capitol's National Statuary Hall. A resolution was approved by the Senate Governmental Organization Committee. There is an article in the May issue; the last item under the United States.

Evidence of the early historic Spanish colonial period is seriously lacking in Washington, D.C.. The statue has been in place since 1931.
The suggestion is to replace it with a statue of Los Angeles astronaut Sally Ride. It seems that a better location for a statue of Sally Ride would be in the Space Museum.

I hope we can hold on to any evidence of our Spanish/Indigenous ancestor's historic presence in the United States, particularly in the Washington, D.C. area, and build on it, rather than see it slowly disappear. AS the Latino population increases, our future needs to know our past.

God bless America, Mimi

TABLE OF CONTENTS

UNITED STATES
Boatlift on 9/11 ...... Unbelievable....Takes 12 minutes to WATCH Pepe Serna: Finally the Star “Children of Giant” - A Documentary born of Texas History By Rita D.
Hernandez
545 vs. 300,000,000 People By Charlie Reese Last Column Internship with National Park Service, seeking Latinos for Internships A majority of English-speaking Hispanics in the U.S. are bilingual Scholars focus on violent chapter from Texas’ past by Lucia Benavides Chicanos and Latinos facing the challenges of racism in the U.S. by Gus Chavez Mexican Immigration and "How America Inspired the Third Reich" by Rosalinda Mendez Gonzalez, Ph.D.
A 'forgotten' war festers in relationships by Agustin Gurza Importance of the ranching and mining skills of the Hispanic people by Ruben Salaz Marquez, Ph.D.
The Spanish Presence in the Americas
Serra statue a step closer to leaving D.C.

HISTORIC PROJECTS
Soy de Duval Blog maintained by Alfredo E. Cardenas Did another Miracle Occur at 4th Annual Pilgrimage Honoring Sor Maria, The Mystical Lady in Blue?

HISTORIC TIDBITS
El Cinco de Mayo, the Real Reason We Celebrate by Dan Arellano April 4th, 1689 -- Spanish explorer names the Nueces April 13th, 1888 -- Millionaire Robert Mills Dies National Humanities Center Web Site

HISPANIC LEADERS
Raul Hector Castro: Arizona's only Hispanic governor 1916 - April
10, 2015
Manual Vicente Perez: Engineer and Businessman April 14, 1934 - April 3, 2015 Anticeto Molina: Musician 1939 - 2015 Eduardo Galeano: Uruguayan writer September 3, 1940 - April 13, 2015
Tony Cantu, a longtime professor and administrator 1951- 2015
Remembering: Anthony Quinn April 21, 1915- June 3, 2001
Remembering: Cesar Chavez March 31, 1927 - April 23, 1993

LATINO AMERICAN PATRIOTS
Website focusing on the contributions of Latinos in the U.S. military has been launched
by Ron Gonzalez, October 16, 2013
Long Beach VA Hospital Art Show, Chris Kyle Navy Seal by Leroy Martinez Johnny Quezada USN (Ret), Director for Special Programs & Military Affairs Forgiveness by Roy A. Archuleta Comments by Gus Chavez on “Patriots From The Barrio” by Dave Gutierrez ChicanoVietnam Peace Commemoration Committee

EARLY LATINO PATRIOTS
Battle of San Diego Bay, California highlights Spain's early footprint Galvez/Spain Our Forgotten Ally in the American Revolutionary War by by Judge Edward F. Butler, Sr.
June 12-14, 2015: Sons of the American Revolution (SAR)’s Annual
Conference
Spain to turn over to U.S. documents linked to American independence:

SURNAMES
Jose Antonio Menchaca Campaign by Rosie Carbo El origen de los apellidos

DNA
Family History and DNA Link New Mexicans to Mexico by Nicolás Cabrera
NMSU Student Series, by Nicolás Cabrera, Part 1 and Part 2 DNA Roots from the Mexican States of Coahuila, Nuevo Leon and Tamaulipas

FAMILY HISTORY
What Day of the Week were your Born?
Free Historical Book Collection Online Hits 200,000th Milestone
Evidence: In a Nutshell by Karen Clifford, A.G.
Using Historical Maps to Learn About Your Ancestors

EDUCATION
Major Hector P. Garcia, M.D. Charter High School by Rita D. Hernandez, Ph.D.
The Legacy of Dr. Hector P. Garcia Extends Nationally by Rita D.
Hernandez, Ph.D.
UCLA to require diversity course
Students weave their heritage into a quilt honoring Hispanic soldiers who earned the Medal of Honor.
Caps, Creating a Path to Success
Urban farm helps urban school get its fresh on by - Hannah Madans The World War I Diary of José de la Luz Sáenz

CULTURE
The Mexican Cure-All
Mexico’s Tarahumara Tribe is Getting the Video Game Treatment Zarco Guerrero Chicano Sculptor, Mask Maker & Performance Artist Birthday Traditions: History of the Quinceanera El Majahual Restaurant in San Francisco

Research Digest, Vol 111, Issue 23

I have relocated to the Baja ( México). My computer is in transit & also I do not have Internet service yet. When I get up & running, you will get my doc's. Thanx

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Dinastia Moctezuma

un cordial saludo a todos los lectores

compañeros una pregunta

alguna novedad o noticias sobre las documentaciones donde
se acredita que Petronila Moctezuma esposa de martin gabay navarro
es descendiente del emperador moctezua?

agradezco la atención prestada

saludos

que tengan un excelente dia

La Joya Search

Hello, could someone tell me where "La Joya" is located? I believe I found a document from a relative that states he is from La Joya, Mexico. I found a census showing a person with the same name and age circa in Jalisco. Is there a 'La Joya" in Jalisco, and if so, what town would I search for his birth records? Thank you

Marriage Information

Now I need some help with Información matrimonial. I found a record in FamilySearch for Placido Xavier and Maria Antonia Bernardina De Los Reyes with a marriage date of 4 May 1757 in El Sagragrio. I have looked at all of the records for the month of May 1757 and I cannot see anything.

I will admit that I am a little confused by the different types of documents that I am seeing, so I am asking for help. I have looked at pages 178 - 239. I had the same problem with baptismal certificates until someone explained them, so now I need help with marriages.

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I refer to these from time to time when I don't quite get the words. Hope it
helps you and anyone else.
https://script.byu.edu/Pages/Spanish/es/givennameabbr.aspx
https://script.byu.edu/Pages/Spanish/es/abbrAtoE.aspx
https://script.byu.edu/Pages/Spanish/es/surnameabbr.aspx They have proved
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Did My 7th Generation Great Grandfather have two women?

My 7th Generation Great Grandparents are:

Antonio Madera (1660 - 1709) and Maria De La Candelaria Angon (1655 - 1735)
First pic is the defunto of Maria De La Candelaria Angon (year 1735):

http://oi61.tinypic.com/2zqwnlx.jpg

Second pic is defunto of Anna Delgado (year 1736)who I am wondering if she was another women of his???:

http://oi57.tinypic.com/jfg3s9.jpg

Both say they are the mujer of "Antonio Madera" and of Minillas.

But my line is from Antonio Madera/Maria De La Candelaria Angon

Third Pic Is the marriage record of Manuela Madera the daughter of Antonio Madera/Maria De La Candelaria Angon. Which is dated 3/2/1709. And it clearly gives reference that "Antonio Madera defunto" he was already deceased when his daughter Manuela Madera got married.

http://oi61.tinypic.com/16i6pfn.jpg

But the brother of Manuela Madera, Joseph Madera (1686 - 1734) is my 6th Generation Great Grandfather:

http://oi61.tinypic.com/2mg9jtl.jpg

Files uploaded and last name mystery

I uploaded 4 files today for the Surez paternal great grandparents.

In the process of finalizing these charts, I discovered an interesting problem. All of the baptismal certificates of the children of Jose Luis Suarez list their paternal grandparents as Marcelo Suarez and Marcela Sanches. I could only find 1 record for a child of these parents - Jose Santiago Suarez born 25 julio 1814 and baptized 18 julio at El Sagrario. But I did find records for 4 other children, including Jose Norato, that list the mother as Marcela Sanches but give the name of the father as Marcelo Placido. Of course there are no records further back for either Marcelo Suares or Marcelo Placido. Some of the Placido baptimal certificates list his father as unknown, 1 as Jose Placido difunto and several as Xavier Placido. All of them list the paternal grandmother as Maria Antonia Reyes. The record for the grandson Jose Santiago Suarez, lists his paternal grandfather's name as Jose Maria Garcia - but I am convinced that this is the same family, because it gives the same name for his maternal grandparents.

Anyway, any suggestions are appreciated. I am guessing it is too much to hope that anyone is familiar with this family.

Oh, a padrino at the baptism of Jose Santiago is Tomas Placido. When I look at records for his children, they all show paternal grandparents as Xavier Placido and Maria Antonia Reyes. Apparently Tomas and Marcelo were brothers.

Baptism Abbreviations - Purisima del Rincon

While we've made good progress in other lines, we continue to get stuck with the line through Purisima del Rincon. Unfortunately, they didn't include paternal/maternal abuleos in the baptism records. There are lots of abbreviations in Atanasio's baptism record that we're curious about, particularly if the "YeO" is referencing a location or perhaps an indicator that he's "Indio". It seems to be used on some other records in the same volume. We have found 2 siblings, and one has the same abbreviation on his record. Any insight is appreciated.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-20545-11939-84?cc=1860831…

(left, 3rd from bottom - Atanasio)

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Baptisms in Aguascalientes - 1807-1812

I have not had success in finding baptism certificates in El Sagrario for
the years 1807-1812. When I do a general search in FamilySearch, I find 2
children listed for Pablo Hernandes and Cerbula Canedo, which indicates to
me that certificates exist. But when I look in this link I cannot find the
certificates.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11003-70001-34?cc=1502404&…

This is the period when certificates were in different books depending on
whether you were "espanol" or "indio". I believe that the certificates
would be found in the "castas" book, because all other certificates for
this family were indio.

The 2 specific certificates I am looking for are for Jose Susano Hernandes,
baptized 3 June 1808 and Maria Yrinea Hernandes, baptized 18 April 1810.
The link that took me to this information was:

https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bsurnam…~

The certificates for this time period are very difficult to read because of
the handwriting, but I have looked and looked. Maybe I am just missing
them, but I am frustrated. Any help or suggestions will be greatly
appreciated.

Daniel

Correo Maritimo Epoca Colonial Mexico

Does anyone know of any archives that contains information of Correo Maritomo?

There is some in the PARS website. But that topic is new to me as I ran across it by chance when I browsed archives in the PARS website.

I think it has to do with transporation of mail from Spain to the colonies and the mainland in Mexico. I wonder if there is some kind of registry or archive of that and the routes or how or where the mail was distributed in Zacatecas, Jalisco, Aguascalientes.

Juan Francisco Reyes

Born in Zapotlan el Grande 1747 to parents Juan Jose Dias and Gertrudis Reyes

In relation to genealogy we are trying to fill out the details of why he assumed his mother's last name, thus creating generations of Reyes descendants rather than Dias descendants.

We are also interested in learning his parents second surname....assuming Dias was his father's surname, what was his mother's line? Ditto with Reyes' mother's other surname.

In some of the records he is listed as Mexican, in others as Mestizo, and in the 1790 Census he is listed as Mulatto. Any information on his parents, grandparents heritage might be helpful in clarifying this (although we recognize he could easily be all three -- born in Mexico of Native and Nego parents would make him Mexican, Mestizo and Mulatto.

We have Reyes genealogy going forward forward and it will be posted here in response to any specific queries. But it becomes a large family very quickly and our plan is to post a link to the genealogy page being developed on the La Senora website as soon as the formats and our new website are live this summer. His grandson, Ysidro Reyes was the co-grantee, with Francisco Marquez, of the 1839 Mexican Land Grant Rancho Boca de Santa Monica (on a part of which La Senora Research Institute is located.)

This next part is not genealogical....and I'll also place it over in general/non genealogical research, but it's posted here just in case someone helping with genealogy stumbles across the 1768-1772 info on Reyes. Here's what we know:

Juan Francisco Reyes left Zapotlan el Grande in 1768-9 to work in the ship yards of San Blas where the Spanish Exploration Party was preparing to depart. Apparently he left with them (unidentified by name and seen only as one of the 'four mexicans' who accompanied the party). Researchers at UCLA believe that he may not have been Catholic (hence not named as a soldier when he left Mexico) but since was improbable to be with Serra and not become Catholic, and he's found represented in later incarnations as a Soldado del Cuera, and his location (Carmel) is demonstrated when he turns up working at the Mission with Padre Serra (who signed Reyes Marriage Investigation,) they feel it's obvious he must have gone with the exploration parties. There was no other means transportation to Alta California at that time.

Juan Francisco Marquez

Born in Zapotlan el Grande 1747 to parents Juan Jose Dias and Gertrudis Marquez.

In relation to genealogy we are trying to fill out the details of why he assumed his mother's last name, thus creating generations of Reyes descendants rather than Dias descendants.

We are also interested in learning his parents second surname....assuming Dias was his father's surname, what was his mother's line? Ditto with Reyes' mother's other surname.

In some of the records he is listed as Mexican, in others as Mestizo, and in the 1790 Census he is listed as Mulatto. Any information on his parents, grandparents heritage might be helpful in clarifying this (although we recognize he could easily be all three -- born in Mexico of Native and Nego parents would make him Mexican, Mestizo and Mulatto.

We have Reyes genealogy going forward forward and it will be posted here in response to any specific queries. But it becomes a large family very quickly and our plan is to post a link to the genealogy page being developed on the La Senora website as soon as the formats and our new website are live this summer. His grandson, Ysidro Reyes was the co-grantee, with Francisco Marquez, of the 1839 Mexican Land Grant Rancho Boca de Santa Monica (on a part of which La Senora Research Institute is located.)

This next part is not genealogical....and I'll also place it over in general/non genealogical research, but it's posted here just in case someone helping with genealogy stumbles across the 1768-1772 info on Reyes. Here's what we know:

Juan Francisco Reyes left Zapotlan el Grande in 1768-9 to work in the ship yards of San Blas where the Spanish Exploration Party was preparing to depart. Apparently he left with them (unidentified by name and seen only as one of the 'four mexicans' who accompanied the party). Researchers at UCLA believe that he may not have been Catholic (hence not named as a soldier when he left Mexico) but since was improbable to be with Serra and not become Catholic, and he's found represented in later incarnations as a Soldado del Cuera, and his location (Carmel) is demonstrated when he turns up working at the Mission with Padre Serra (who signed Reyes Marriage Investigation,) they feel it's obvious he must have gone with the exploration parties. There was no other means transportation to Alta California at that time.

Looking for George E. Mayorga

Looking to see if there is a George E. Mayorga in the Nuestros Ranchos group
(Already checked so I think not).

Or does anyone know either of a living George E. Mayorga that is into
genealogy for our area of research

Or does anyone know of a recently deceased (last 50-100 years) George E.
Mayorga from our area of research AND the people that have this person in
their genealogy

Reason: Family Tree showed a GeorgeEMayorga that made some additions to my
Rivas family and left no way for me to contact this person. So I'm trying to
find him/her/them.

Thanks for any help on this,

Joseph

Joseph Puentes

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http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html

Jose Susano

I found the baptismal record for Jose Susano in Bautiismos de Castas
1807-1812, Image #139, entry 63. This is in the Aguascalientes film
record of course. Other info: parents are Pablo de la Cruz Hernandez,
Cerbula Canedo; paternal grandparents are Simon Hernandez, Maria Ynes
Flores; maternal grandparents are Francisco Canedo, Paual Ceferina;
godmother is Felipa Hernandez. [My computer misspelled the name
Canedo.] The baptism took place in the town of Jesus Maria in the
parish of Aguas.

Maria Yrinea's record is on Image 380 in the same film as above. The
other info is the same. In this film the baptisms for Jesus Maria are
written after the ones for Aguas. Good luck with your searches.

David in Albany, CA

--
David P Delgado

Nueva Galicia Genealogical Society

Just a reminder that the SoCal chapter of the Nueva Galicia Genealogical Society will be holding a meeting this Saturday, April 25th in Orange, California from 11 am until 2 pm. If you'd like an informational flyer (with the location and directions), please email us at nggssocal@nuevagalicia.org, and we'll send it to you.

Hope to see you there!

Rosalinda and Erika

Legend of Gigantes of Tala, Jalisco, Mexico

I am looking at this video about the legend of giants in Tala, Jalisco, Mexico:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHHoib4KuVU

Says they were called "chinametin" and were 35 feet tall.

In the Tala Jalisco Government website it does talk about the legend of giants:

http://www.talajalisco.gob.mx/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=150:…

Teuchitlán was the ancient city of Tala dating back to 300 BC to 200 AD:

http://www.talajalisco.gob.mx/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=150:…

"Esta es una zona de civilización exclusiva de la zona Occidente de México, principalmente de Jalisco y se ubica en las faldas del volcán de Tequila. El desarrollo de la tradición Teuchitlán se dio en la época formativa tardía (300 a.C. hasta 200 d. C.). En Teuchitlán se encontraba la ciudad más importante, que contaba con ocho barrios distintos, de los cuales tres se ubicaban en la zona que hoy conocemos como Tala."

Teuchitlan is this ancient place that has circular shaped pyramids:

http://oi59.tinypic.com/2iafzgz.jpg

LEYENDA GIGANTES DE TALA
La leyenda de los gigantes que destruyeron por primera vez Tala, se recoge en la crónica del famoso Fray Antonio Tello, quien nos narra el paso de Nuño de Guzmán por el valle de Tala, hecho ocurrido después 1530.
El conquistador descubrió el valle de tlalla y no hallo ¨anima nacida¨ sino grandes ruinas de edificios caídos que según parece habían sido habitadas por poblaciones grandes.
Se manifestó que… dos veces se había despoblado, la primera por unos gigantes que por el sur y poniente habían venido, en número de 30, 27 varones y 3 hembras y que después se volvió a poblar de mucha gente de muchas naciones, pero 30 años atrás la ganaron, destruyeron y asolaron.
Eran comunes en la época, tanto en el Viejo Mundo con en la recién descubierta América, las leyendas y las historias de gigantes; la ignorancia, la superstición y la credulidad hacían que todo tipo de fantasías se consideraran verdaderas. Cuenta la leyenda:
Eran los tales gigantes tan glotones y haraganes, que tenían los de tala que amasar una fanega de maíz para cada uno de ellos; comían la carne de 4 niños diarios asados, ratas, venados y jabalíes, y en vez de verduras, cogoyos de enea. 6000 indios y indias les servían diariamente, que si no con sus armas que eran grandes bastones, hacían mortandad espantosa. Eran de color mulatado, poco cabello crespo y barba, con unas orejas de apalmo, eran muy torpes de andadura y muy dados al pecado nefando. Los pobladores fueron desapareciendo poco a poco, unos muertos por aquellos monstros, y otros porque vivían lejos con su familia, hasta que quedaron solos. Como eran araganes desfallecieron y empezaron a morir hasta no quedar sino cuatro, los cadáveres eran enterrados por los supervivientes y cubiertos con cal.
Como ya eran pocos, los de tala hicieron de tripas corazón y los hecharon encaminándolos rumbo a Ixtlan, y de allí tuvieron que irse a Atzemaxaque, donde los vecinos reunieron aliados hasta el numero de 20,000 y dieron muerte a tan terribles huéspedes.
Existen 2 teorías; La primera es que algunos historiadores creen ver en tal leyenda la invasión de los tarascos (decían que el enemigo era muy grande y por eso habían ganado la batalla). Chinametin, les decían los indios a los gigantes, así como ahora se dice para asustar a los niños “ahí viene el coco, esta misma continuo, con visos de certeza, en virtud de constantes hallazgos de restos fósiles en la región. La segunda teoría es que las personas confundieron los restos de mamut con restos humanos.
Continúo a través de los siglos y por ello se le cita históricamente como ¨Tala, tierra de gigantes¨
La segunda destrucción fue la de los tarascos en la denominada Guerra del Salitre, del año de 1500-1510, que destruyo Tala y Ahualulco.

Here is another link about a book:

https://books.google.com/books?id=OzUCAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA34&lpg=PA34&dq=chin…

http://oi57.tinypic.com/2u79i7r.jpg

Baptismal certificates in Aguascalientes 1807-1812

I have not had success in finding baptism certificates in El Sagrario for the years 1807-1812. When I do a general search in FamilySearch, I find 2 children listed for Pablo Hernandes and Cerbula Canedo, which indicates to me that certificates exist. But when I look in this link I cannot find the certificates.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11003-70001-34?cc=1502404&…

This is the period when certificates were in different books depending on whether you were "espanol" or "indio". I believe that the certificates would be found in the "castas" book, because all other certificates for this family were indio.

The 2 specific certificates I am looking for are for Jose Susano Hernandes, baptized 3 June 1808 and Maria Yrinea Hernandes, baptized 18 April 1810. The link that took me to this information was:

https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bsurnam…~

The certificates for this time period are very difficult to read because of the handwriting, but I have looked and looked. Maybe I am just missing them, but I am frustrated. Any help or suggestions will be greatly appreciated.