Nuestros Ranchos Site

is this him?  note that he is attached to Alfredo Macias Avila in family search dot org.  

Was the wife's name Angela Cuevas?  

 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:7KMD-85PZ

1)-Jose Leon de Avila [Davila] and Maria Ramona Barrios

2)-Jose Victor Nasario Avila Barrios married Eufrasia Bracamonte Aguilar

3)-Jose de Jesus Avila Bracamonte married Athanacia Chavez

4)-Francisca de Avila Chavez married Jóse Huizar Bañuelos

5)-Alfredo Huizar Avila aka Alfredo H. Avila


Rick A. Ricci

Alfredo Avila Huizar and  Alfredo Avila Macias are two different people 


Rick A. Ricci

what were alfredo's parents name?  mother and father?

I have done much research on the Orosco family in Spain.   And yes they have a Jewish background.   Some of the branches converted but many members of the family kept many of their Jewish traditions.   The trunk of this family was close to the Covarrubias family.  After much research it turned out that the Covarrubias had a similar Jewish background.     Many of the families that were the founding members in Los Altos de Jalisco had a mixture of Jewish ancestors and younger members of noble families.   

Rick A. Ricci 

Buen día, yo los encontré acá:  https://mexicangenealogy.com/listas-pasajeros-a-indias-passenger-lists-…

Saludos.

Rumualdo Coronado is the son of Andres Coronado and Maria Yrinea Mata.

Francisca Morillo is the daughter of Pedro Morillo and Juana Morales

Rick A. Ricci

Hi, I just saw this post. I have Morillo ancestry from Jerez, Las Tetillas, Zacatecas. My first ancestor with that surname was, according to the record I found, Pablo Alverto Morillo. He was married to Juliana del Carmen Villavicencio. This would have been in the late 1700s. I can trace her families to the founding of Mexico. In my lines there are no spellings with Murillo at all. There is a Pedro Morillo connected with them but at present I don't remember if Pedro is Pablo's brother. Pedro married a Guadalupe Mercado.

You didn’t give me much to go one as you didn’t provide wives names or why you came up with those dates.    
Many people use a mother’s surname or a grandparent’s surname instead of the father’s surname.

Here is a Bernabe Oñate that was born in 1808 :

Jose Antonio “Bernabe” Elizarraras Onate is the son of Jose Cayetano  Elizarraras and Maria Gertrudis De Onate.

Maria Gertrudis De Onate is the daughter on Jose Dionicio Oñate (Doñate) and Maria Estefania Ledesma.

——————++++++++++++++———————————

Jose Cayetano  Elizarraras Is the son of Joseph Joaquin Elizarraras and Maria Ygnacia Gutierrez.

Joseph Joaquin Elizarraras is the son of Pedro Elizarraras and Maria Cruz.

Pedro Elizarraras is the son of Pedro Elizarraras and Maria Simona

Good luck in your research, 

Rick A. Ricci

Happy New Year to all!  Thank you, Manny, for once again and again and again giving us all something interesting to read, to think about and hopefully find more leads to answer the questions we have.  I haven't read any of the links so don't know how Criado was used whether servant or was raised by Martin Navarro.  Come the new year, I will definitely read!  

Saludos, Primo

Hi Manny

Very intersting and exciting! Thanks for including all the links!

Looking forward to your follow-up post :)

Best regards, 

Denise L. Hernandez Fastrup

Ohhh this one is an exciting thread!

Manny,

You must remember that criado did not mean servant back then.    Criado meant that you served under someone with a higher position.   You could have a high position and still be called criado because you had a boss.  

Daniel,

Would you be so kind as to provide a link or a copy of the dispensa you mention in this thread (https://nuestrosranchos.org/node/18628)?

Saludos,

Bernardo Menchaca

I hope some of this helps, maybe you'll luck out with a dispensa for
cosanguinidad. Did you find their record of Información Matrimonial? Maybe
the father is listed there, as the one presenting her or the father is
mentioned, or one of his siblings is a witness (testigo), if you cannot find
the father at least you'll be able to continue the line back further through
the sibling. How about testamentos (wills), have you looked at those yet?
You might also like to look at mortgaging and or conveying of water rights
and land. These normally tell from whom individuals aquired the land or
water that they are selling or mortgaging. Well, good luck

You have probably looked at the following records? If not I would take a
look to see if they list Abuelos Paternos/Maternos; it's doubtful for that
time period.

Espero que algo de esto te ayude, a lo mejor tienes suerte con una dispensa
de cosanguinity. ¿Ha encontrado el récord de Información Matrimonial de
Beatriz? Tal vez el padre es la persona haciendo la presentación de ella, o
el padre es mencionado, o uno de sus hermanos es un testigo (testigo), asi
por lo menos podrá seguir la línea el padre a través de el hermano. ¿Ya
revisaste los testamentos? También a lo mejor le gustaria mirar las
hipotecas y / o traspaso de los derechos de aguas y tierras. Estos
normalmente indican de cual individuo las personas adquirieron la tierra o
el agua que están vendiendo o hipotecando. Bueno, buena suerte

Usted probablemente miró a los siguientes registros? Si no, a lo mejor le
gustaría ver si estan listados los Abuelos Maternos/ Paternos, es dudable
para ese período.

Getrudis Rodrigues
Retamossa
[image: Two Stars]
18 September 1624
El Sagrario,Aguascalientes,Aguascalientes,Mexico
Cristobal Tiscareno

Juan Rodriguez-De-Chavarria
Beatriz Retamosa

Source type: Other, Media type: Microfilm, Repository name: Family History
Library, Repository address: 35 N West Temple Street, Repository city: Salt
Lake City, Repository state: UT, Repository country: USA, Repository postal
code: 84150, Call number: 0299421, Event date: , Sheet number: 00, Reference
number: 0299421, Batch number: C604761, Serial number: 00392, Place: El
Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Ags County, Mexico, Time period: 1616-1660,
Contributor: EXTRACTION, Contributor of repository: FCH
Mariana Chavarri Retamosa
[image: Two Stars] 29 October 1620
El Sagrario,Aguascalientes,Aguascalientes,Mexico

Jn. Rodrigues Chabaria
Beatriz Retamosa
Source type: Other, Media type: Microfilm, Repository name: Family History
Library, Repository address: 35 N West Temple Street, Repository city: Salt
Lake City, Repository state: UT, Repository country: USA, Repository postal
code: 84150, Call number: 0299421, Event date: , Sheet number: 00, Reference
number: 0299421, Batch number: C604761, Serial number: 00212, Place: El
Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Ags County, Mexico, Time period: 1616-1660,
Contributor: EXTRACTION, Contributor of repository: FCH

Maria Chavarria Retamosa
[image: Two Stars] 29 September 1619
El Sagrario,Aguascalientes,Aguascalientes,Mexico

Jn. Rodrigues Chabaria
Beatriz Retamosa

Source type: Other, Media type: Microfilm, Repository name: Family History
Library, Repository address: 35 N West Temple Street, Repository city: Salt
Lake City, Repository state: UT, Repository country: USA, Repository postal
code: 84150, Call number: 0299421, Event date: , Sheet number: 00, Reference
number: 0299421, Batch number: C604761, Serial number: 00168, Place: El
Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Ags County, Mexico, Time period: 1616-1660,
Contributor: EXTRACTION, Contributor of repository: FCH

Did Beatriz re-marry? This might be a different Beatris?

Franco. Marthel Retamosa
[image: Two Stars] 12 October 1635
El Sagrario,Aguascalientes,Aguascalientes,Mexico

Herdo. Marthel
Beatris De Retamosa
Source type: Other, Media type: Microfilm, Repository name: Family History
Library, Repository address: 35 N West Temple Street, Repository city: Salt
Lake City, Repository state: UT, Repository country: USA, Repository postal
code: 84150, Call number: 0299421, Event date: , Sheet number: 00, Reference
number: 0299421, Batch number: C604761, Serial number: 00609, Place: El
Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Ags County, Mexico, Time period: 1616-1660,
Contributor: EXTRACTION, Contributor of repository: FCH

Saludos desde Lago Salado, (Greetings from Salt Lake City, Utah)
Eduardo H Seoane
EduardoHSeoane@gmail.com

This is not the whole Padilla line. I have streamlined it to show the ancestry of Lorenzo Padilla Dávila who is a co-founder of the Villa de Santa Maria de los Lagos Nueva Galicia what is now known as Jalisco Mexico. I stopped the line at Lorenzo’s sons Sancho Padilla Dávila and Diego Padilla Dávila, both of whom are my ancestors many times over. Later I will present I -XIV.

Padilla ancestry of Lorenzo Padilla Dávila ordered by Roman numerals.

XII) - Pedro López de Padilla I, adelantado mayor de Leon y Asturias y Galicia, Justicia mayor de la casa del Rey, alcalde de las alzadas del reino de Castilla.d. ca. 1320 married at least twice. With one of his wives, Teresa Diaz, daughter of Juan Diaz, señor de Fromista y Requeña y su esposa, Mencía. Es posible que Pedro López de Padilla y su otra esposa son antepasados de la línea “Garcia de Padilla.”

XIII) - Juan Fernández de Padilla 1 padre de:

XIV - Pedro López de Padilla II married Maria Martinez de Leiva hija de Juan Martinez de Leiva, adelantado Mayor de Castilla y camarero del Rey señor de Coruña y Guiomar Manuel y Castañeda.

[Some genealogists claim that Pedro López de Padilla is the grandfather or great grandfather of Juan Fernández de Padilla II, but I believe that they have confused the “López de Padilla” line with the “Garcia de Padilla line”.]

XV.- Juan Fernández de Padilla II murio 1376, Casó con Juana Fernández de Ayala y tuvieron dos hijos:
..….1.- Pero López de Padilla III que sigue la línea en XVI.
….. .2.- María de Padilla (a) que casó con Diego Pérez Sarmiento.

XVI.- Pedro (Pero) López de Padilla III nació ca.1410 murió 1447 Señor de Catañazar y Coruña, Guarda Mayor del Rey, Adelantado Mayor de Castilla, Señor de Casó con Leonor de Sarmiento y tuvieron los hijos siguientes:

…1.- Sancho de Padilla nació ca. 1440, casó con Marina Sandoval. Fueron padres de:

………1.1.- Pedro López de Padilla,IV regidor de Toledo “ Capitán de hombres de Armas de Juana la Loca.”
….,,,,,1.2 - Gutierre de Padilla, Comendador mayor de Calatrava, murió 1515.

…. 2.- García López de Padilla.

…. 3.- Juan de Padilla, adelantado mayor de Castilla, murió en la primavera de 1468 (hubo reporte en Abril 1468 que había muerto). casó con Mencia Manrique De Lara, Sra. de Santa Gardea

…,…, 3.1 Pedro López de Padilla V ( “heredó el señorío de Calatañazor y el oficio de adelantado mayor de Castilla”) caso con Isabel Pacheco
…,…..3.2 Ana Padilla y Manrique De Lara casó con Luis Fernández de Velasco. (ancestors to many families of Los Altos de Jalisco through their daughter Ana Velasco de Padilla. I posted this line in a thread on “Coria Peralta” ancestry)

….4.- Diego de López de Padilla, mariscal de Castilla, Otorgó testamento en octubre de 1456, murió en 1456. Casó con Teresa de Haro
Diego fue poeta. “ el Cancionero de Estúñiga” (c 1460) y en “el Cancionero de Palacio” (c 1470).

…..5.- Fernando de Padilla Comendador de Calatrava, “de cuya orden fue maestre en 1443.“ murio 1444.

…..6.- Gutierre de López de Padilla murio 1446, que sigue en XVII.

.…7.- Isabel de Padilla casó Fernando Sánchez de Tovar, Isabel de Padilla y Fernando son ancestros de Diego Villaseñor de Tovar.

….8.- Juana de Padilla
.….9 - Constanza de Padilla
…..10. Maria de Padilla casó Juan de Guzman

XVII. Gutierre de Padilla (aka López de Padilla) Casó con Leonor de Aguilar. Fueron padres de:

XVIII.- Leonor Gutierrez de Padilla (b) d. 1470 Casó con Garcia “el de la Jura” Dávila, Alcalde de Jerez, “regidor de Jerez por merced del Rey Juan II). “Jefe del bando del Marquis de Cadiz en 1469, y Alcaide de Arcos de la Frontera y Mayordomo de Jerez. Garcia El de la Jura” Dávila nacio en 1405 y hizo testamento el 6/Oct/1486, d.1486 Fueron padres de:

XIX.- Lorenzo de Padilla Dávila, Alcalde de Puerto de Santa Maria, Casó el 14/Jun/1492 con Maria Gallegos de Vera, hija de Gonzalo Pérez de Galleos y Beatriz de Vera. Fueron padres de:

XX.- Hernando de Padilla Dávila. b. ca. 1493 d. ca.1566. Casó con Leonor Machicao y Hervas .Hernando de joven corrió de la ley y se fue a Génova donde era pirata. Después regreso a Jerez de la Frontera y entró al militar. Después fue comendador y Caballero veinticuatro de Jerez de la Frontera, y hombre de armas del emperador Carlos 1 de España. Fueron padres de:

XXI.- Lorenzo Padilla Dávila nacio ca. 1525. Casó con Mariana Temiño de Velasco, nacida en Agosto de 1543 en la ciudad de México, nieta De Diego Velasco de Temiño y Francisca Alcocer. Lorenzo estuvo en el militar en Flandes, y fue capitán en Tercios. El paso a Nueva Galicia donde fue uno de los fundadores de lla Villa de San María de los Lagos, Nueva Galicia, (ahora Jalisco, Mexico) y tuvieron dos hijos:

……..1.- Sancho de Padilla Dávila casó con Isabel Medina, tuvieron descendencia.
……..2.– Diego Padilla Dávila casó con Ana de la Mota, tuvieron descendencia.

===========.        Second part
Here is Diego Padilla Davila to Tacho Reynoso 

16.) - Diego de Padilla, b. ca 1560 d. 11/jUN/1631, m. with Ana De La Mota y Vera, b. ca 1560, d. 5/Aug/1631

17.) - Lorenzo Padilla Davila, b. ca.1590 d.3/Dec/1648, m. 17/Nov/1635 with Josefa Arias de Orosco, b. 23/Apr/1620, d. 14/July/1648

18.) - Capitan Cristobal Padilla Davila c.23/Apr/1640 Guad., Jalisco m. Luisa Gutierrez de Hermosillo b.ca1647, d. 7/May/1713

19.) - Francisco Padilla Davila b.ca. 1670 m. 9/Jan/1698 with Ana Munoz de la Barba b.1677                                                                

20.) - Cristobal Padilla Muoz de la Barba b. 15/Apr/1704, d. 5/Sep/1784, m. on 7/Jan/1726 with Maria Agueda Martin del Campo, b. ca 1706 d. 2/May/1778.

21.) - Juan Leonardo Padilla Martin Del Campo c. 29/Nov/1739 m. with Rosalia Perez Fernandez de Rueda  b. 1739, d.15/Feb/1782

22.) - Joseph Domingo Padilla  Perez  b. 1722, m. 6/June/!793 Jalos. Jalisco with Maria Juliana Cobarrubias b. 25/Mar/1778.

23.) - Jose Manuel Padilla Covarrubias b.26/June/1799 in Jalostotitlan m. 19 Nov/1823 Tepatitlan, Jalisco with Simona De La Torre b.1903

24.) - Maria Antonia Padilla De La Torre b. 1880 m. with Alberto Reynoso b. 1873

25.) - Francisco Reynoso b. 1908 m. with  Maria de Los Angeles Becerra 

26.) - Anastacio “Tacho” Reynoso

$$$++++++++

Diego Padilla to Josefina Padilla 

XIX.) - Diego de Padilla, b. ca 1560 d. 11/jUN/1631, m. with Ana De La Mota y Vera, b. ca 1560, d. 5/Aug/1631

XX.) - Lorenzo Padilla Davila, b. ca.1590 d.3/Dec/1648, m. 17/Nov/1635 with Josefa Arias de Orosco, b. 23/Apr/1620, d. 14/July/1648

XXI.) - Capitan Cristobal Padilla Davila c.23/Apr/1640 Guad., Jalisco m. Luisa Gutierrez de Hermosillo b.ca1647, d. 7/May/1713

XXII.) - Francisco Padilla Davila b.ca. 1670 m. 9/Jan/1698 with Ana Munoz de la Barba b.1677                                                                

XXIII.) - Cristobal Padilla Muoz de la Barba b. 15/Apr/1704, d. 5/Sep/1784, m. on 7/Jan/1726 with Maria Agueda Martin del Campo, b. ca 1706 d. 2/May/1778.

XXIV.) - Juan Leonardo Padilla Martin Del Campo c. 29/Nov/1739 m. with Rosalia Perez Fernandez de Rueda  b. 1739, d.15/Feb/1782

XXV.) - Joseph Domingo Padilla  Perez  b. 1722, m. 6/June/!793 Jalos. Jalisco with Maria Juliana Cobarrubias b. 25/Mar/1778.

XXVI.) - Jose Manuel Padilla Covarrubias b.26/June/1799 in Jalostotitlan m. 19 Nov/1823 Tepatitlan, Jalisco with Simona De La Torre b.1903

XXVII.) - Juan Padilla De La Torre b. 8/Feb/1832 m. on 16/May/1855 with Maria Anastacia Reynoso (aka Munoz) b. 1837

XXVIII.) - Luis Padilla b. 1861 m. 8/March/1886 with Eugenia Gutierrez b.1868

XXIX.) - Jose Padilla Gutierrez b. 19/March/1896 m.14/June/1922 with Mercedes Ramirez b. 25/June/1898

XXX.) - Jose Luis Padilla, b. 11/Jul/1929, Santa Monica, California, USA

XXX.) - Josefina Padilla 

 $$$+$$$$$$$$$$$$

XXV.) - Joseph Domingo Padilla  Perez  b. 1722, m. 6/June/!793 Jalos. Jalisco with Maria Juliana Cobarrubias b. 25/Mar/1778.

XXVI.) - Juan Jose Esteban Padilla Covarrubias b.15/August/1794 in Jalostotitlan m. 1/May/1816 Tepatitlan, Jalisco with Maria Gertrudis Saturnina Gonzalez

XXVII.) - Maria Victoria Padilla b. 5/March/1827 m. on 24/June/1850 with Jose Manuel De La Torre Martin Del Campo

XXVIII.) - Macedonio De La Torre 13/Sep/1857 m. 19/Sep/1885 with Cipriana Rodriguez  b.1870, d. 28/May1932

XXIX.) - Lucila De La Torre Rodriguez  b. 30/June/1892 d. 12/Dec/1982 with  Sixto Alvarez Franco b. 28/Mar/1890 d. 15/May/1966

XXX.) - Norberto Alvarez De La Torre , b. 6/June/1928, m. Juanita Romo Perez b. 23/June/1928

XXX.) - Leticia Alvarez 

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Diego Padilla to Jose Padilla

Tepatitlan, Jalisco with Simona De La Torre b.1903

24.) - Juan Padilla De La Torre b. 8/Feb/1832 m. on 16/May/1855 with Maria Anastacia Reynoso (aka Munoz) b. 1837

25.) - Luis Padilla b. 1861 m. 8/March/1886 with Eugenia Gutierrez b.1868

26.) - Jose Padilla Gutierrez b. 19/March/1896 m. 14/June/1922 with  Mercedes Ramirez b. 25/June/1898

27.) - Jose Luis Padilla, b. 11/Jul/1929, Santa Monica, California, USA

28.) Jose Padilla 

$$$$&&&&&$&

Diego to Jorge Padilla

Diego Padilla to Jose Padilla

Tepatitlan, Jalisco with Simona De La Torre b.1903

24.) - Juan Padilla De La Torre b. 8/Feb/1832 m. on 16/May/1855 with Maria Anastacia Reynoso (aka Munoz) b. 1837

25.) - Luis Padilla b. 1861 m. 8/March/1886 with Eugenia Gutierrez b.1868

26.) - Jose Padilla Gutierrez b. 19/March/1896 m. 14/June/1922 with  Mercedes Ramirez b. 25/June/1898

27.) - Jorge Padilla,

28.) Jorge Padilla 

I.)- Alfonso VI, “The Brave” (d. 1109), king of Castile: had child with his mistress, Jimena Muñoz d. 1128
II.)- Elvira Alfonso m. as her 2nd husband Count Fernando who (d. bef. 1130)
III.) - Teresa Fernández m. Count Osorio Martínez, d. 1160.
IV.) - Gonzalo Osorio, mayordomo mayor del rey Fernando II.
V.) - Osorio González, d. ca 1220
VI.) - Rodrigo Osorio
VII.) - Rodrigo (Ruy) Rodríguez
VIII.) - Alvar Rodríguez Osorio m. Elvira Nuñez
IX.) - Elvira Alvarez Osorio m. García Gómez Carillo
X.) - Juana García Carrillo m. as 1st husband, Diego Gutiérrez de Ceballos
(d.1330)
XI.) - Elvira Alvarez de Ceballos, d. before 1372 m. Fernán Pérez de Ayala (testamento 2/December/1378.
XII.) - Juana Garcia de Ayala m. Juan Fernández de Padilla

XIII.) - Pero (Pedro) Lopez de Padilla, Señor de Catalañazar y Coruña, Guarda Mayor del Rey Juan II. Pedro López de Padilla married Leonor Sarmiento, daughter of Pedro Ruiz Sarmiento, Señor de Salinas y mariscal de Castilla and Juana de Guzmán.

XIV.) - Gutierre López de Padilla (aka Padilla) and Leonor de Aguilar

XV.) - Leonor Gutierrez de Padilla y Aguilar d. 1470, First wife of Garcia “El de la Jura” Dávila (alcalde de Jerez, “regidor de Jerez por merced del rey Juan II”, “jefe del bando del Marquiz de Cádiz in 1469), Alcaide de Arcos de la Frontera and Mayordomo de Jerez.
b. 1405 d. 1486, He wrote his testament on 6/October/1486.

XVI.) - Lorenzo Padilla Dávila b. ca. 1448, (alcalde de Puerto de Santa Maria) m. 14/June/1492 María Gallegos de Vera. Lorenzo became known for taking part in battles against the Moors in Northern Africa.
The de Vera family descends from a Castilian King and a descendant of Roman royalty.

XVII.) - Hernando de Padilla Dávila b. ca. 1493 and d. ca. 1566. Hernando married in 1515 to Leonor de Machicao y Hervas. (Aka Leonor Ruiz)

XVIII.) - Capitan Lorenzo de Padilla Dávila b. ca. 1525, m. Mariana Temiño de Velasco, b. August 1543 in Mexico City.

XII) - Pedro López de Padilla I, adelantado mayor de Leon y Asturias y Galicia, Justicia mayor de la casa del Rey, alcalde de las alzadas del reino de Castilla.d. ca. 1320 married at least twice. With one of his wives, Teresa Diaz, daughter of Juan Diaz, señor de Fromista y Requeña y su esposa, Mencía. Es posible que Pedro López de Padilla y su otra esposa son antepasados de la línea “Garcia de Padilla.”

XIII) - Juan Fernández de Padilla 1 padre de:

XIV - Pedro López de Padilla II married Maria Martinez de Leiva hija de Juan Martinez de Leiva, adelantado Mayor de Castilla y camarero del Rey señor de Coruña y Guiomar Manuel y Castañeda.

[Some genealogists claim that Pedro López de Padilla is the grandfather or great grandfather of Juan Fernández de Padilla II, but I believe that they have confused the “López de Padilla” line with the “Garcia de Padilla line”.]

XV.- Juan Fernández de Padilla II murio 1376, Casó con Juana Fernández de Ayala y son Padres de

XVI.- Pedro (Pero) López de Padilla III nació ca.1410 murió 1447 Señor de Catañazar y Coruña, Guarda Mayor del Rey, Adelantado Mayor de Castilla, Señor de Casó con Leonor de Sarmiento y tuvieron 10 hijos. Tres de sus hijos, juan, Gutierre’s y Isabel, dejaron descendencia en Los Altos de Jalisco, Mexico

….…..3.- Juan de Padilla, adelantado mayor de Castilla, murió en la primavera de 1468
(hubo reporte en Abril 1468 que había muerto). casó con Mencia Manrique De Lara,
Sra. de Santa Gardea Juan y Mencia son ancestros de los López Peralta en Mexico.

………...6.- Gutierre de López de Padilla murio 1446, casó
Leonor Aguilar y son ancestros de los Padilla Dávila
de Los Altos de Jalisco.

.……….7.- Isabel de Padilla que sigue la línea en XVII

XVII) - Isabel de Padilla casó Fernan Ruiz (aka Sanchez) de Tovar (d.1384)

XVIII) - Juan Fernandez de Tovar Señor de Tovar (died 1385) "Almirante de Castilla" casó Leanor Elvira Enriquez de Castilla, hija de Tello Alfonsez señor de Viscaya.

XIV)- Fernan Sanchez de Tovar (d.1420) casó Juana Castañeda, señora de Fuentidueña

XV)- Juan de Tovar, Señor de Verlanga, (d.1446) guarda mayor del Rey Don Juan II casó con su prima Constanza Enriquez de Castilla, hija de Alonso Enriquez, Almirante, señor de Medina de Rioseco y Juana Mendoza "la rica hembra"…….(Juana Mendoza “la rica Hembra” también desciende de Pedro López de Padilla I y Teresa Diaz de Fromista)

Aquí está la prueba que Juan Fernández Padilla y Juana Garcia de Ayala son los abuelos paternos de Gutierre López de Padilla (aka Gutierre Padilla) y que Pedro López de Padilla y Leonor Sarmiento son sus padres.

…………….“Doña Juana, terçera fija de don Ferrand de Ayala.
Casó esta doña Juana con Juan Ferrández de Padilla, señor de Calatallaçor
e de Cruña , alguazil mayor de Toledo e camarero del rey, del qual
ovo un fijo que dixeron Pero López de / Padilla que casó con doña Leonor
Sarmiento, fija de Pero Ruiz Sarmiento e de doña Juana de Guzmán, e ovo
della fi Padilla, e Diego de Padilla, e Ferrando de Padilla , comendador de la
Orden de Calatrava, e otro que llaman Garçía, comendador de Santiago, e otro
que llaman Gutierre , e otro que llaman Sancho. E ovo fijas a doña Juana , e
a doña Costança , e a doña María , éstas murieron pequeñas. Tiene las otras
dos, que llaman doña Ysabel e doña Juana, e otros fijos e fijas. E ovo la dicha
doña Juana una fija del dicho Juan Ferrández que dixeron doña María, que
casó con Diego Pérez Sarmiento, adelantado mayor de Galizia, del qual non
ovo fijos algunos.”

Rick A. Ricci
Source : Mygenes 2000, y Libro de los Ayala

I have the Padilla line going further back another five hundred years but there are multiple marriages, and sometimes there is disagreement as to which of the wives is the biological mother. I also found a couple of instances where it seems that a generation is skipped because the father dies at a young age and therefore he is then adopted by his grandfather. When the grandson inherits property from his grandfather which leads people to incorrectly assume that he is his biological father. In one case this May have happened with a great grandfather, passing over his son and grandson, giving the inheritance to his great grandson.

Rick A. Ricci
Source: mygenes2000

This is not the whole Padilla line. I have streamlined it to show the ancestry of Lorenzo Padilla Dávila who is a co-founder of the Villa de Santa Maria de los Lagos Nueva Galicia what is now known as Jalisco Mexico. I stopped the line at Lorenzo’s sons Sancho Padilla Dávila and Diego Padilla Dávila, both of whom are my ancestors many times over. Later I will present I -XIV.

Padilla ancestry of Lorenzo Padilla Dávila ordered by Roman numerals.

XII) - Pedro López de Padilla I, adelantado mayor de Leon y Asturias y Galicia, Justicia mayor de la casa del Rey, alcalde de las alzadas del reino de Castilla.d. ca. 1320 married at least twice. With one of his wives, Teresa Diaz, daughter of Juan Diaz, señor de Fromista y Requeña y su esposa, Mencía. Es posible que Pedro López de Padilla y su otra esposa son antepasados de la línea “Garcia de Padilla.”

XIII) - Juan Fernández de Padilla 1 padre de:

XIV - Pedro López de Padilla II married Maria Martinez de Leiva hija de Juan Martinez de Leiva, adelantado Mayor de Castilla y camarero del Rey señor de Coruña y Guiomar Manuel y Castañeda.

[Some genealogists claim that Pedro López de Padilla is the grandfather or great grandfather of Juan Fernández de Padilla II, but I believe that they have confused the “López de Padilla” line with the “Garcia de Padilla line”.]

XV.- Juan Fernández de Padilla II murio 1376, Casó con Juana Fernández de Ayala y tuvieron dos hijos:
..….1.- Pero López de Padilla III que sigue la línea en XVI.
….. .2.- María de Padilla (a) que casó con Diego Pérez Sarmiento.

XVI.- Pedro (Pero) López de Padilla III nació ca.1410 murió 1447 Señor de Catañazar y Coruña, Guarda Mayor del Rey, Adelantado Mayor de Castilla, Señor de Casó con Leonor de Sarmiento y tuvieron los hijos siguientes:

…1.- Sancho de Padilla nació ca. 1440, casó con Marina Sandoval. Fueron padres de:

………1.1.- Pedro López de Padilla,IV regidor de Toledo “ Capitán de hombres de Armas de Juana la Loca.”
….,,,,,1.2 - Gutierre de Padilla, Comendador mayor de Calatrava, murió 1515.

…. 2.- García López de Padilla.

…. 3.- Juan de Padilla, adelantado mayor de Castilla, murió en la primavera de 1468 (hubo reporte en Abril 1468 que había muerto). casó con Mencia Manrique De Lara, Sra. de Santa Gardea

…,…, 3.1 Pedro López de Padilla V ( “heredó el señorío de Calatañazor y el oficio de adelantado mayor de Castilla”) caso con Isabel Pacheco
…,…..3.2 Ana Padilla y Manrique De Lara casó con Luis Fernández de Velasco. (ancestors to many families of Los Altos de Jalisco through their daughter Ana Velasco de Padilla. I posted this line in a thread on “Coria Peralta” ancestry)

….4.- Diego de López de Padilla, mariscal de Castilla, Otorgó testamento en octubre de 1456, murió en 1456. Casó con Teresa de Haro
Diego fue poeta. “ el Cancionero de Estúñiga” (c 1460) y en “el Cancionero de Palacio” (c 1470).

…..5.- Fernando de Padilla Comendador de Calatrava, “de cuya orden fue maestre en 1443.“ murio 1444.

…..6.- Gutierre de López de Padilla murio 1446, que sigue en XVII.

.…7.- Isabel de Padilla casó Fernando Sánchez de Tovar, Isabel de Padilla y Fernando son ancestros de Diego Villaseñor de Tovar.

….8.- Juana de Padilla
.….9 - Constanza de Padilla
…..10. Maria de Padilla casó Juan de Guzman

XVII. Gutierre de Padilla (aka López de Padilla) Casó con Leonor de Aguilar. Fueron padres de:

XVIII.- Leonor Gutierrez de Padilla (b) d. 1470 Casó con Garcia “el de la Jura” Dávila, Alcalde de Jerez, “regidor de Jerez por merced del Rey Juan II). “Jefe del bando del Marquis de Cadiz en 1469, y Alcaide de Arcos de la Frontera y Mayordomo de Jerez. Garcia El de la Jura” Dávila nacio en 1405 y hizo testamento el 6/Oct/1486, d.1486 Fueron padres de:

XIX.- Lorenzo de Padilla Dávila, Alcalde de Puerto de Santa Maria, Casó el 14/Jun/1492 con Maria Gallegos de Vera, hija de Gonzalo Pérez de Galleos y Beatriz de Vera. Fueron padres de:

XX.- Hernando de Padilla Dávila. b. ca. 1493 d. ca.1566. Casó con Leonor Machicao y Hervas .Hernando de joven corrió de la ley y se fue a Génova donde era pirata. Después regreso a Jerez de la Frontera y entró al militar. Después fue comendador y Caballero veinticuatro de Jerez de la Frontera, y hombre de armas del emperador Carlos 1 de España. Fueron padres de:

XXI.- Lorenzo Padilla Dávila nacio ca. 1525. Casó con Mariana Temiño de Velasco, nacida en Agosto de 1543 en la ciudad de México, nieta De Diego Velasco de Temiño y Francisca Alcocer. Lorenzo estuvo en el militar en Flandes, y fue capitán en Tercios. El paso a Nueva Galicia donde fue uno de los fundadores de lla Villa de San María de los Lagos, Nueva Galicia, (ahora Jalisco, Mexico) y tuvieron dos hijos:

……..1.- Sancho de Padilla Dávila casó con Isabel Medina, tuvieron descendencia.
……..2.– Diego Padilla Dávila casó con Ana de la Mota, tuvieron descendencia.

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Rick A. Ricci
Source: my book Mygenes2000

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PS

Pedro López de Padilla 1 is married at least twice. Pedro López de Padilla 1 is also a great grandfather of Leonor Lasso de La Vega who is married to Diego Hurtado de Mendoza.

1)- Pedro López de Padilla 1 d. Ca 1320 married at least twice. With one of his wives, Teresa Diaz, (daughter of daughter of Juan Diaz, señor De Fromista y Y Mencia.) Pedro and Teresa are the parents of:

II)- Mencia Padilla married Juan Rodríguez Cisneros (Señor de Castillo y Guardo, adelantado mayor de León y Asturias. They are the parents of:

III)- Mencia Cisneros (1342-1422) married Garci Lasso de Vega (1330-1367)

IV) -Leonor Lasso de La Vega (1360-1432) married Diego Hurtado de Mendoza (1366-1391)

The Padilla surname is not from a strictly paternal ancestry.

The line of the men in this family started with Dávila or De Ávila.

1)- Mateo(s) Dávila b. In early 1200’s (based on him receiving property in 1266), ambassador of King Alfonso X “el Sabio”. Mateos was also known as a famous conquistador of Jerez de la Frontera.

2)- Bartolome Martinez Dávila (fought in battle of “1285” defending Jerez de la Frontera) (second owner of “las casas en la Colación de San Salvador de Jerez de La Frontera” that his father received in 1266.).
Bartolome Martinez Dávila married Juana Bernalte Dávila

3)- Juan Bernalte Dávila I was famous for taking the castle of Tempui in 1300, and he was the third owner of the “las casas en la Colación de San Salvador de Jerez de La Frontera”. Juan Bernalte Dávila married Elvira Gutierrez Gatica

4)- Bartolome Martinez Dávila II and Leonor de Padilla. Bartolome had another marriage, but Juan Bernalte de Dávila is the son of Leonor Padilla as stated in a declaration of “hidalguia” of a great grandson.

5)- Juan Bernalte de Dávila II and Leonor Garcia de Sigüenza Though I don’t have much information on this couple, they are identified in a “Carta de hidalguia” of one of their grandsons.

6)- Garcia “El de la Jura” Dávila (alcalde de Jerez, “regidor de Jerez por merced del rey Juan II”, “jefe del bando del del Marquiz de Cádiz in 1469), Alcaide de Arcos de la Frontera and Mayordomo de Jerez.
b. 1405 d. 1486, He wrote his testament on 6/October/1486. He married as his first wife Leonor Gutierrez de Padilla y Aguilar d.1470

Garcia “El de la Jura” Dávila received his nickname because on the seventh of October, 1477 he asked King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella to swear that they will respect the regions “fueros” (regional law and authority). From then on he was known as “El de la Jura”.

[Leonor Gutierrez de Padilla y Aguilar Is the daughter of Gutierre de Padilla and Leonor de Aguilar.
Gutierre de Padilla is the son of Pero (Pedro) Lopez de Padilla, Señor de Catalañazar y Coruña, Guarda Mayor del Rey Juan II.
Pero López de Padilla is the son of Juan Fernández de Padilla and Juana Garcia ( aka Fernández ) de Ayala.
Juana Fernández (o Garcia) de Ayala is the daughter of Fernán Pérez de Ayala and Elvira Alvarez Gutierrez de Ceballos]

7)- Lorenzo Padilla Dávila b. ca. 1448, (alcalde de Puerto de Santa Maria) m. 14/June/1492 María Gallegos de Vera. Lorenzo became known for taking part in battles against the Moors in Northern Africa.
The de Vera family descends from a Castilian King and a descendant of Roman royalty.

The next three men in this line married women from Jewish Converso Families.

8)- Hernando de Padilla Dávila b. ca. 1493 and d. ca. 1566. Hernando married in 1515 to Leonor de Machicao y Hervas. (Aka Leonor Ruiz)

Hernando de Padilla Dávila lived a long and colorful life with many careers and activities on both sides of the law. Hernando was a young man he was already wearing a sword when he accidentally bumped into a member of the Duke of Medinaceli’s guard. The man that he bumped into, Fabian Salazar, insulted him and humiliated him in front of all of the guard and the Duke of Medinaceli’s traveling party.
Hernando could not let the humiliation that he endured out of his mind, and when he heard that the Duke of Medinaceli’s party was to pass through on their return to Castilla, he set out for revenge, taking along with him his companion Valderrama as squire, He tracked down, attacked and killed Fabian Salazar. The other members of the Duke of Medinaceli’s guard circled him, and attempted to subdue him, but were unsuccessful as Hernando and Valderrama escaped, although with some injuries. Hernando’s horse also suffered from some injuries that the horse sustained when they had tried to stop Hernando from fleeing. After fleeing for his life, his horse died under him as it gave out from the injuries sustained and the stress of the escape. He had Valderrama skin his horse in order that his family brand not be identified, but he had already been identified and reported as the killer by the other members of the Duke of Medinaceli’s traveling party. Hernando and Valderrama found themselves injured and trapped without a means of escape from those searching for them. It took a long time for their injuries to heal so they bunkered down and hid out. Sancho Padilla, who was an illegitimate son of his father, looked long and far for Hernando until he finally found them and came to their rescue. Sancho Padilla had a strong reputation as a valiant and very capable fighter. Sancho removed Hernando far from the Duke of Medinaceli’s guard’s reach.

Hernando had to live in exile from that day forward as Fabian Salazar’s wife demanded that he suffer consequences for his actions. Hernando, Sancho and Hernando’s squire Valderrama first traveled to Portugal and then Genoa as they ran for their lives and became adventurers They then took to the seas and became pirates. They were successful pirates as Hernando kept getting better and better as a swordsman with each conquest. Hernando gained much notoriety as a pirate.

After the widow of Fabian Salazar died, Hernando’s family asked for forgiveness of Fabians’s family, Hernando gave up pirating and returned to Jerez de la Frontera. Hernando had become an expert swordsman as a pirate and used those talents when he enlisted in the military and became a “Capitan de los Caballos”. In June 1535 he took part in “Jornada de Tunis” where he was involved in a very long sword duel with a Turk, who was also an expert swordsman and faster than Hernando, but not as resourceful. The Turk had finally, after a very long time, overwhelmed Hernando with his speed and had seriously injured him. The Turk was going in for the kill, when Hernando summoned the energy for one last deep thrust with his sword. Hernando emerged with victory as his sword caught the overconfident Turk by surprise. This reminds me of a Star Trek movie scene where Captain James T Kirk is about to die when he makes a comeback by outsmarting his overconfident adversary at the end, even though the adversary is bigger, stronger, and faster.

The emperor Carlos I de España was informed of the sword duel, ordered that Hernando have all the medical care that he needed, and rewarded him the following year, 1536, by inducting him into the order of Santiago, making him Comendador and Caballero veinticuatro de Jerez de la Frontera. The emperor Carlos I de España also made him part of his inner circle of protection, like our secret service. [hombres de armas del emperador Carlos I de España.]

Hernando de Padilla Davila’s wife, Leonor de Machicao y Hervas, is the daughter of Constanza de Hervas and Hernando Machicao, a conquistador and jewish converso merchant who was very rich. A record of purchases that he made in one year show that his business dealt with large sums of money. Constanza’s
Constanza is the granddaughter of Diego the Hervas who was also a rich Jewish converso merchant.

9)- Lorenzo de Padilla Dávila b. ca 1525 m. Mariana Temiño de Velasco b.August 1543 in Mexico City.
Lorenzo was a “Capitan en Tercios, estuvo en Flandes” that came to Nueva Galicia and was one of the founder of the Villa de Santa Maria de los Lagos, Nueva Galicia.

Mariana Temiño de Velasco is the daughter of Diego Temiño de Velasco and descends from Francisca de Alcocer. Francisca Alcocer is the daughter of Diego de Alcocer and Blanca Nuñez. Both Diego Alcocer and Blanca Nuñez descend from Jewish converso families. Blanca Nuñez has Jewish converso, Muslim converso, and old Christian minor nobility ancestry. Blanca has an ancestor who was a Moor that was King of Valencia that converted to Catholicism. A member of this family became a Pope.

10)- Diego de Padilla Dávila and Ana de la Mota

Ana de la Mota is the daughter of Gaspar de la Mota and Mariana de Vera. Gaspar is the son of Conquistador Francisco de la Mota
Mariana is the daughter of Juan de Vera and ? Medina.
Juan de Vera primarily descends from Jewish conversos. Juan de Vera is the son of Juan De Santiago and Catalina Rivas.
Catalina Rivas is the daughter of Alvaro de Toro and Juana de Vera.
Juan De Santiago is the son of Diego Hernández and Isabel de Cazalla, both of whom have parents, grandparents, and other ancestors that are Jewish conversos that suffered much through the inquisition.

Rick A. Ricci
Source: my book Mygenes2000

Hay problemas con el árbol de los Padilla construido por Guillermo Padilla Origel. Hay muchos “Pedro López de Padilla” en el árbol familiar.

Otro problema es que los que Guillermo Padilla Origel tiene como padres de Gutierre que en verdad son sus abuelos paternos.

Un documento nombra a Gutierre Padilla como hermano de Fernando. Y en otro documento, Fernando es identificado como hijo de Pedro López de Padilla y Leonor Sarmiento. Entonces Gutierre Padilla también es hijo de Pedro López de Padilla y Leonor Sarmiento.

Este Pedro López de Padilla es hijo de Juana Garcia de Ayala (Aka Fernández de Ayala aka de Ayala) casada en con Juan Fernández de Padilla

De mi libro:

"Padilla descent from King Henry II of England

1). Queen of England and France, Eleanor of Aquitane (b.abt1122), (d.1/Apr/1204) + Henry II Plantagenet, King of England

2). Princess of England, Leonore Plantagenet Queen consort of Castilla (b.13/Oct/1162, d.October/1214) + Alfonso VIII "el noble", King of Castilla

3). Berenguela I "la Grande", Queen of Castilla (d.8/Nov/1246) + Alfonso IX, "el Baboso" King of León and Galicia (b.15/Aug/1171), (d.24/Sep1230)

4). Alfonso de León, Señor de Molina y Mesa (b.1202) + Teresa Perez de Braganza [mistress]

Some genealogists name Urraca’s mother as Alfonso’s 3rd wife, Mayor Alfonso de Meneses.

5). Urraca Alfonso de Molina (b.abt 1233) + Garci Gomez de Carillo, señor de Ormasa

6). Garcia de Carillo.Señor de Ormasa y Mazuelo, (b. ca. 1266) + Elvira Alvarez de Osorio

7). Juana Garcia Carillo y Álvarez Osorio + Diego Gutierrez de Ceballos

8). Elvira Alvarez de Ceballos and Fernan Perez de Ayala, IX Sr. De Ayala

9). Juana Garcia de Ayala (Aka Fernández de Ayala aka de Ayala) married in 1371 ad to Juan Fernández de Padilla d. 1376.

10). Pero (Pedro) Lopez de Padilla, Señor de Catalañazar y Coruña, Guarda Mayor del Rey Juan II. Pedro López de Padilla married Leonor Sarmiento, daughter of Pedro Ruiz Sarmiento, Señor de Salinas y mariscal de Castilla and Juana de Guzmán.

Gutierre is identified as the brother of Fernando, who is clearly identified as a son of Pedro López de Padilla (Señor de Catalañazar y Coruña, Guarda Mayor del Rey ) and Leonor Sarmiento. The people that list Gutierre’s mother as a “Martinez de Leiva” are confusing this Pedro with his ancestor that is also named Pedro Lopez de Padilla. Another ancestor “Pedro Lopez de Padilla” is known as “El viejo” and he was born over century before Gutierre Padilla’s father.

11). Gutierre de Padilla and Leonor de Aguilar

12). Leonor Gutierrez de Padilla y Aguilar d. 1470, First wife of Garcia “El de la Jura” Dávila (alcalde de Jerez, “regidor de Jerez por merced del rey Juan II”, “jefe del bando del Marquiz de Cádiz in 1469), Alcaide de Arcos de la Frontera and Mayordomo de Jerez.
b. 1405 d. 1486, He wrote his testament on 6/October/1486.

Garcia “El de la Jura” Dávila received his nickname because on the seventh of October, 1477 he asked King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella to swear that they will respect the regions “fueros” (regional law and authority). From then on he was known as “El de la Jura”.

13). Lorenzo Padilla Dávila b. ca. 1448, (alcalde de Puerto de Santa Maria) m. 14/June/1492 María Gallegos de Vera. Lorenzo became known for taking part in battles against the Moors in Northern Africa.
The de Vera family descends from a Castilian King and a descendant of Roman royalty.

14). Hernando de Padilla Dávila b. ca. 1493 and d. ca. 1566. Hernando married in 1515 to Leonor de Machicao y Hervas. (Aka Leonor Ruiz)

Hernando de Padilla Dávila lived a long and colorful life with many careers and activities on both sides of the law. Hernando was a young man he was already wearing a sword when he accidentally bumped into a member of the Duke of Medinaceli’s guard. The man that he bumped into, Fabian Salazar, insulted him and humiliated him in front of all of the guard and the Duke of Medinaceli’s traveling party.
Hernando could not let the humiliation that he endured out of his mind, and when he heard that the Duke of Medinaceli’s party was to pass through on their return to Castilla, he set out for revenge, taking along with him his companion Valderrama as squire, He tracked down, attacked and killed Fabian Salazar. The other members of the Duke of Medinaceli’s guard circled him, and attempted to subdue him, but were unsuccessful as Hernando and Valderrama escaped, although with some injuries. Hernando’s horse also suffered from some injuries that the horse sustained when they had tried to stop Hernando from fleeing. After fleeing for his life, his horse died under him as it gave out from the injuries sustained and the stress of the escape. He had Valderrama skin his horse in order that his family brand not be identified, but he had already been identified and reported as the killer by the other members of the Duke of Medinaceli’s traveling party. Hernando and Valderrama found themselves injured and trapped without a means of escape from those searching for them. It took a long time for their injuries to heal so they bunkered down and hid out. Sancho Padilla, who was an illegitimate son of his father, looked long and far for Hernando until he finally found them and came to their rescue. Sancho Padilla had a strong reputation as a valiant and very capable fighter. Sancho removed Hernando far from the Duke of Medinaceli’s guard’s reach.

Hernando had to live in exile from that day forward as Fabian Salazar’s wife demanded that he suffer consequences for his actions. Hernando, Sancho and Hernando’s squire Valderrama first traveled to Portugal and then Genoa as they ran for their lives and became adventurers They then took to the seas and became pirates. They were successful pirates as Hernando kept getting better and better as a swordsman with each conquest. Hernando gained much notoriety as a pirate.

After the widow of Fabian Salazar died, Hernando’s family asked for forgiveness of Fabian’s family, The family agreed to forgive him, and Hernando gave up pirating and returned to Jerez de la Frontera. Hernando had become an expert swordsman as a pirate and used those talents when he enlisted in the military and became a “Capitan de los Caballos”. In June 1535 he took part in “Jornada de Tunis” where he was involved in a very long sword duel with a Turk, who was also an expert swordsman and faster than Hernando, but not as resourceful. The Turk had finally, after a very long time, overwhelmed Hernando with his speed and had seriously injured him. The Turk was going in for the kill, when Hernando summoned the energy for one last deep thrust with his sword. Hernando emerged with victory as his sword caught the overconfident Turk by surprise. This reminds me of a Star Trek movie scene where Captain James T Kirk is about to die when he makes a comeback by outsmarting his overconfident adversary at the end, even though the adversary is bigger, stronger, and faster.

The emperor Carlos I de España was informed of the sword duel, ordered that Hernando have all the medical care that he needed, and rewarded him the following year, 1536, by inducting him into the order of Santiago, making him Comendador and Caballero veinticuatro de Jerez de la Frontera. The emperor Carlos I de España also made him part of his inner circle of protection, like our secret service. [hombres de armas del emperador Carlos I de España.]

Hernando de Padilla Davila’s wife, Leonor de Machicao y Hervas, is the daughter of Constanza de Hervas and Hernando Machicao, a conquistador and jewish converso merchant who was very rich. A record of purchases that he made in one year show that his business dealt with large sums of money. Constanza is the granddaughter of Diego the Hervas who was also a rich Jewish converso merchant.

15). Lorenzo de Padilla Dávila b. ca 1525 m. Mariana Temiño de Velasco b.August 1543 in Mexico City.
Lorenzo was a “Capitan en Tercios, estuvo en Flandes” that came to Nueva Galicia and was one of the founders of the Villa de Santa Maria de los Lagos, Nueva Galicia.

Mariana Temiño de Velasco is the daughter of Diego Temiño de Velasco and descends from Francisca de Alcocer. Francisca Alcocer is the daughter of Diego de Alcocer and Blanca Nuñez. Both Diego Alcocer and Blanca Nuñez descend from Jewish converso families. Blanca Nuñez has a mix of Jewish converso, Muslim converso, and old Christian minor nobility ancestry. Blanca has an ancestor who was a Moor that was King of Valencia that converted to Catholicism. A member of this family became a Pope

Rick A. Ricci
Source: my book Mygenes2000

1. Urraca I reina de Castilla y Leon + Count Raymond of Burgundy (Count of Galicia).
   2).  Alfonso VII ( king of Castilla and Leon ) born March 01, 1105, and Gontroda Perez/Pietre
   
   3). Urraca Alfonsez +  Alvaro Rodriguez de Navia is also known as Alvaro Rodriguez de Castro

Notes: Alvaro is married to the widow Urraca de Asturias "Reina viuda de Navarra" nickname "Reina de Asturias", who is the illegitimate daughter of a King Of Castilla Alfonso VII and Gontroda. Gontroda's parents were both distant cousins of Alfonso VII. When Urraca was born she was taken from her mother and raised at the Royal court by the knigs sister. Urracas mother and the king only had a summer fling. Alfonso was married and so was Gontroda. Gontroda had three other children with her husband. Urraca was the Kings first born child as his wife had not yet become pregnant. There is a much bigger story to be told on Urracas life.

4) Fernando Alvarez (inherited the "solar de Tovar") adelantado de estremadura. No name on wife

5) Sancho Fernandez de Tovar (the first to use the surname Tovar even though Tovar has belonged to the family for many generations). Sancho was married to Teresa Sanchez, daughter of Sancho Sanchez, señor de Arellano and his wife.

6) Fernan Sanchez de Tovar, señor del Castillo Sarracin, married to his distant cousin Maria Arias de Villamayor, daughter of Juan Garcia Villamayor and Urraca Fernandez de Castro. They had a son named Sancho.

7) Sancho Fernandez de Tovar (d.1290) married Maria Palomeque and they are the parents of Ruy

8) Ruy Fernandez (aka Sanchez) de Tovar married to Elvira Ruiz Cabeza de Vaca, daughter of Gonzalo Perez and Aldara Ramirez

9). María de Tovar + Rodrigo Fernández de Escobar ( i Villalobos), Señor de Escobar de Campos

10).  Fernan Alvarez de Escobar + Leonor Nuñez de Daza

11). Alvaro Rodriguez De Escobar, Señor de Escobar y Campos + Maria Martinez de Trujillo

12). Rodrigo (Rui) Alvarez De Escobar, Señor de Escobar de Campos (aka Rodrigo Rodriguez De Escobar) + Beatriz Cisneros

13). Isabel Ruiz de Escobar y Cisneros + Martin Martin Ruiz de Reinoso (El moço)

14). María Díez de Reinoso + Fernando Alonso de Villacorta

15). Gonzalo de Reinoso + Inés de Melgar

16). Gonzalo de Reinoso y Melgar + Isabel de Escobar

17). Diego de Reinoso y Escobar + Toribia González

18).  Juan de Reinoso y Gonzalez + Maria de San Pedro y Jimenez

19). Francisco de Reynoso y San Pedro + Mariana Padilla y Medina

20). Francisco Reynoso y Padilla + Josefa de Renteria y Valdez

21). Sebastian Reynoso + Francisca Gonzalez de Hermosillo 

22). Melchor Reynoso + Maria de San Juan Gonzalez Rubio

23). Vicente Zeferino Reynoso Gutierrez + Francisca Sebastiana Gutierrez 

24). Christobal Ygnacio Reynoso + Maria Estefana Gutierrez Vallejo

25). Jose Rafael Reynoso Gutierrez + Ma. Ignacia Martin del Campo Perez de Paredes 

26). Jose Maria Reynoso Martin + Maria de los Reyes Gonzalez Navarro

27). Alberto Reynoso Gonzalez + Maria Antonia Padilla Ochoa

28). Francisco Reynoso Padilla + Maria de Los Angeles Becerra

29). Anastacio “Tacho” Reynoso born 28/Oct/1928

Book.  Mygenes2000, Rick A. Ricci

The descent of Alvar Fañez Minaya to Juan de Tovar, señor de Verlanga, Guarda mayor del Rey Juan II. To Tacho Reynoso 

[Pedro Ansurez Señor de Valladolid and his wife Doña Ello have daughter, Bascuna]

1) Alvar Fañez Minaya, He had two wives. First wife Bascuna Perez (daughter of Pedro Ansurez) Alvar has a second wife Estephania, some genealogists list the second wife as the mother. Alvar is the father of Rodrigo Alvarez

2) Rodrigo Alvarez (alcaide o gobernador de Toledo) he was married to "unknown name Señora de Navia" who inherited the "casa de Navia en Asturias y solar de Montenegro en Galicia" Rodrigo is the father of Alvaro Rodriguez de Navia

3) Alvaro Rodriguez de Navia is also known as Alvaro Rodriguez de Castro and Urraca Alfonsez (daughter of Alfonso VII and Gontroda Perez/Pietre)

Notes: Alvaro is married to the widow Urraca de Asturias "Reina viuda de Navarra" nickname "Reina de Asturias", who is the illegitimate daughter of a King Of Castilla Alfonso VII and Gontroda. Gontroda's parents were both distant cousins of Alfonso VII. When Urraca was born she was taken from her mother and raised at the Royal court by the knigs sister. Urracas mother and the king only had a summer fling. Alfonso was married and so was Gontroda. Gontroda had three other children with her husband. Urraca was the Kings first born child as his wife had not yet become pregnant. There is a much bigger story to be told on Urracas life.

4) Fernando Alvarez (inherited the "solar de Tovar") adelantado de estremadura. No name on wife

5) Sancho Fernandez de Tovar (the first to use the surname Tovar even though Tovar has belonged to the family for many generations). Sancho was married to Teresa Sanchez, daughter of Sancho Sanchez, señor de Arellano and his wife.

6) Fernan Sanchez de Tovar, señor del Castillo Sarracin, married to his distant cousin Maria Arias de Villamayor, daughter of Juan Garcia Villamayor and Urraca Fernandez de Castro. They had a son named Sancho.

7) Sancho Fernandez de Tovar (d.1290) married Maria Palomeque and they are the parents of Ruy

8) Ruy Fernandez (aka Sanchez) de Tovar married to Elvira Ruiz Cabeza de Vaca, daughter of Gonzalo Perez and Aldara Ramirez

9). María de Tovar + Rodrigo Fernández de Escobar ( i Villalobos), Señor de Escobar de Campos

10).  Fernan Alvarez de Escobar + Leonor Nuñez de Daza

11). Alvaro Rodriguez De Escobar, Señor de Escobar y Campos + Maria Martinez de Trujillo

12). Rodrigo (Rui) Alvarez De Escobar, Señor de Escobar de Campos (aka Rodrigo Rodriguez De Escobar) + Beatriz Cisneros

13). Isabel Ruiz de Escobar y Cisneros + Martin Martin Ruiz de Reinoso (El moço)

14). María Díez de Reinoso + Fernando Alonso de Villacorta

15). Gonzalo de Reinoso + Inés de Melgar

16). Gonzalo de Reinoso y Melgar + Isabel de Escobar

17). Diego de Reinoso y Escobar + Toribia González

18).  Juan de Reinoso y Gonzalez + Maria de San Pedro y Jimenez

19). Francisco de Reynoso y San Pedro + Mariana Padilla y Medina

20). Francisco Reynoso y Padilla + Josefa de Renteria y Valdez

21). Sebastian Reynoso + Francisca Gonzalez de Hermosillo 

22). Melchor Reynoso + Maria de San Juan Gonzalez Rubio

23). Vicente Zeferino Reynoso Gutierrez + Francisca Sebastiana Gutierrez 

24). Christobal Ygnacio Reynoso + Maria Estefana Gutierrez Vallejo

25). Jose Rafael Reynoso Gutierrez + Ma. Ignacia Martin del Campo Perez de Paredes 

26). Jose Maria Reynoso Martin + Maria de los Reyes Gonzalez Navarro

27). Alberto Reynoso Gonzalez + Maria Antonia Padilla Ochoa

28). Francisco Reynoso Padilla + Maria de Los Angeles Becerra

29). Anastacio “Tacho” Reynoso born 28/Oct/1928

Book.  Mygenes2000, Rick A. Ricci

1).  Alphonso IX king of Leon

2).  Urraca Alfonsez (Alfonso) De Leon + Lope Diaz De Haro

3).  Lope Ruis López de Haro + Berenguela González Giron

4).  María Lopez de Haro + Rui Gil de Villalobos Señor de Villalobos e De Autillo de Campos.

5).  Urraca Mayor Rodríguez Villalobos + Rui Fernández de Escobar

6) Rodrigo Fernández de Escobar ( i Villalobos), Señor de Escobar de Campos + María de Tovar (although he did not inherit the Villa De Autillo from his mother, she did give him an hacienda.)

7). Fernan Alvarez de Escobar + Leonor Nuñez de Daza

8). Alvaro Rodriguez De Escobar, Señor de Escobar y Campos + Maria Martinez de Trujillo

9). Rodrigo (Rui) Alvarez De Escobar, Señor de Escobar de Campos (aka Rodrigo Rodriguez De Escobar) + Beatriz Cisneros

10). Isabel Ruiz de Escobar y Cisneros + Martin Ruiz de Reinoso (El moço)

11). María Díez de Reinoso + Fernando Alonso de Villacorta

12). Gonzalo de Reinoso + Inés de Melgar

13). Gonzalo de Reinoso y Melgar + Isabel de Escobar

14). Diego de Reinoso y Escobar + Toribia González

15).  Juan de Reinoso y Gonzalez + Maria de San Pedro y Jimenez

16). Francisco de Reynoso y San Pedro + Mariana Padilla y Medina

17). Francisco Reynoso y Padilla + Josefa de Renteria y Valdez

18). Sebastian Reynoso + Francisca Gonzalez de Hermosillo 

19). Melchor Reynoso + Maria de San Juan Gonzalez Rubio

20). Vicente Zeferino Reynoso Gutierrez + Francisca Sebastiana Gutierrez 

21). Christobal Ygnacio Reynoso + Maria Estefana Gutierrez Vallejo

22). Jose Rafael Reynoso Gutierrez + Ma. Ignacia Martin del Campo Perez de Paredes 

23). Jose Maria Reynoso Martin + Maria de los Reyes Gonzalez Navarro

24). Alberto Reynoso Gonzalez + Maria Antonia Padilla Ochoa

25). Francisco Reynoso Padilla +  Maria de Los Angeles Becerra

26). Anastacio “Tacho” Reynoso born 28/Oct/1928

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Source book Mygenes2000, Rick A. Ricci

The spouses María Fernández de Villalobos and Pedro Alvarez Osorio are distant cousins.

Rodrigo (Rui) Rodriguez De Escobar (aka Rodrigo Señor De Escobar as Maria Beatriz Osorio Villalobos are great grandparents  of Alvar Rodríguez de Escobar, son of María Berenguela Fernandez Cabeza De Vaca.  The “Cabeza de Vaca” shows up in some descendants. 

. Rick A. Ricci Source: book Mygenes2000

Alvaro Rodriguez De Escobar, Señor de Escobar y Campos + María Beatriz Osorio de Villalobos (the title Señor De Escobar de Campos e Autillo goes to Beatriz’s descendants ). Alvaro and Maria Beatriz are distant cousins through the Villalobos ancestry. . A common ancestor of theirs, María Lopez De Haro, was a great granddaughter of Alfonso IX King of Leon.

Los señores de Autillo

Girón a Villalobos a Escobar a Reinoso

I. Gonzalo Rodríguez Girón (b. 1160) de Fernando III recibe el señorío de Autillo en 1221. Casó con Sancha Rodríguez

II. Gonzalo González Girón, canciller mayor de Fernando III. Casó con Teresa Arias Quesada, hija de Arias González de Quesada y de María Froilaz.

III. Berenguela González Girón, señora de Autillo, quien casó con Lope Ruiz de Haro, el chico, II señor de La Guardia y de Bailén, hijo de Lope Díaz de Haro III, señor de Vizcaya y de Urraca de León.

IV. María Díaz de Haro, señora de Autillo, casó con Ruy Gil de Villalobos, señor de Villalobos.

[Aquí es donde seguimos dos líneas. Ruy Gil De Villalobos y María Diaz De Haro tienen dos hijos, Gil Ruiz de Villalobos y Lope Ruiz de Villalobos, que tienen nietos del mismo nombre, Fernan Ruiz de Villalobos. El mayor hijo, Gil tiene un hijo Ruy que es el padre de su nieto Fernan Ruiz de Villalobos que se casó con Inés de la Cerda. Muchos dicen que este Fernan es el señor de Autillo. Pero Sus hijos mueren antes de el. El primo legítimo más cercano es su primo segundo del mismo nombre. El hermano menor de Gil, Lope, se casó con Berenguela Castañeda. Lope y Berenguela son padres de Rodrigo López de Villalobos. El se casó con Catalina Manrique De Lara y son padres del otro Fernan Ruiz de Villalobos. Este Fernan es padre de María Fernández de Villalobos que se casa con Pedro Alvarez Osorio.]

V. Lope Ruiz de Villalobos casó con Berenguela Pérez Castañeda, hija de Pedro Diaz De Castaneda y Mayor (Mor) Alonso De Celada.

VI. Rodrigo López (Pérez) de Villalobos casó con Catalina Manrique De Lara, hija de Garci Fernandez Manrique De Lara y Brunisenda Narbona (Pizarro desciende de ellos)

VII. Fernán Ruiz de Villalobos. Señor de Autillo de Campos. (Primo segundo del Fernan Ruiz de Villalobos que se casó con Inés de la Cerda.)

VIII. María Fernández de Villalobos, casó con Pedro Alvarez Osorio.

IX. María Beatriz Pérez Osorio de Villalobos casó con Alvar Rodríguez de Escobar, señores de Autillo de Campos, y de Escobar de Campos.

X. Rodrigo Alvarez de Escobar (Ruy Rodriguez De Escobar). señor de Autillo de Campos, y de Escobar de Campos.

R.A. Ricci
Source: book Mygenes2000

Dear Erik,
I have had A couple tweaks that I wanted to share with you but you haven’t responded to my emails.

One of the tweaks has to do with a family member of the Ruiz De Esparza family. You named Miguel Esparza in the family tree without the Ruiz surname. Miguel Ruiz De Esparza was related to Lope Ruiz de Esparzas ancestors. They come from the same Ruiz De Esparza family. I have not been able to identify the exact relationship, but Lope Ruiz de Esparza’s great great grandfather was a close cousin of Miguel Ruiz De Esparza.

The second tweak has to do with quote of yours of Mariano Gonzalez Leal. Mariano names an ancestor of ours from our Padilla family as having a surname slightly different than one that I have found in primary sources. I have not publicly identified this difference yet, but I explain the different surname in my book. This surname is not a common surname in Spain. I am still researching the history of this surname.

I believe that the father of Francisco de Reinoso y Neira (Neyla), Alcalde de Bornos, Tarifa y Alcalá de los Gazules en Andalucía is named as Antonio “ el mozo” Reinoso as you wrote in your book explaining that the information comes from a primary source. Another genealogist, Adolfo Salazar Mir, identified Francisco Reinoso y Neira’s sister’s father as not “Antonio Reinoso”, but as “Rodrigo Reynoso”. This identification also came from a primary source, a church record. The thing is that I believe that it may just be an another case of two people reading the same record, with confusion due to the possibility that the cursive writing of these names could look similar causing the confusion. Another reason possibly for the difference in names may be because this church record is a tree where Rodrigo is named as the “bisabuelo paterno materno” and the great granddaughter may have made the mistake. Francisca de Neira was identified as the great grandmother. The question remains, was the name “Antonio Reinoso” or “Rodrigo Reinoso” of our ancestor who is the father of Capitán Francisco de Reynoso y Neira. In order to clear this up, it is necessary that the original church record be re-examined. In the meantime I will identify him in my records as Antonio (Rodrigo) “el Mozo”Reinoso.

I have connected the Reynoso line to my Villaseñor and Fernandez De Velasco lines.

Thanks,
Rick A. Ricci
Source: book Mygenes2000

Source: my book Mygenes2000

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Dear Eric,
There are a few reasons for the confusion of the ancestry of Rodrigo Rodriguez De Escobar. Before I get into the reasons, let me add that during his time period some people named Rodrigo were also called Rui, and their sons sometimes used both surnames Ruiz and Rodriguez. Our Rui/Rodrigo Rodríguez de Escobar, Señor de Campos, was also known as Rodrigo Alvarez De Escobar because his father was named Alvar.

The first reason for the confusion:
The ancestry of Alvar Rodriguez De Escobar, Señor de Escobar de Campos is being confused with the ancestry of his cousin also named Alvar Rodriguez De Escobar that lived in Trujillo. They both had a son named Rodrigo Alvarez De Escobar aka Rui Rodríguez de Escobar.

The second reason is one that Salazar y Castro says that his mothers name is María mtz. Does the record really have mtz or is it Btz? I sometimes have a relatively easy time reading documents that I am researching. At other times I have a hard time trying to read the documents and need to ask others for help when I am not confident that I read it properly. I believe that it is possible that Salazar y Castro misread the will. Salazar y Castro writes that the will has the surname as “mtz “ . He took what he understood to be Mtz to be Martinez when what is written looks like Btz for Beatriz. (María, not Marta, Beatriz Perez Villalobos aka Maria Beatriz Osorio De Villalobos). The surname Martinez does appear as Martinez Leiva with a great grandmother.

A third reason for confusion of the ancestry of Rui/Rodrigo Alvarez De Escobar Señor de Escobar de Campos i Autillo is that although most genealogists place María Beatriz’s parents as Pedro Alvarez Osorio and Maria Fernandez De Villalobos, señora De Villalobos, one secondary source places Maria Beatriz as their granddaughter, with her father being Juan Osorio. More research is needed to find out if she is daughter or granddaughter of Don Pedro.

María Fernández de Villalobos daughter of Fernan Rodriguez De Villalobos, Señor De Villalobos y de Autillo. María inherited the title SeñoraDe Autillo which later was inherited by Rui/Rodrigo Alvarez De Escobar Señor de Escobar y Autillo De Campos. It gets a little entangled up here because of repeated marriages of cousins with similar names. Primary sources are needed here to strengthen the claims of secondary sources.

I have a lot more information on their ancestry, connecting them repeatedly to royal lines. María Beatriz Osorio de Villalobos’s parents were related as well as Maria Beatriz to her husband. The family intermarriages kept Autillo in the family. When the family married into the Reynoso family the endogamy continued as again we find distant cousins marrying for the next few generations in our line that leads to Francisco Reynoso y Rico.

Thank you,
Rick A. Ricci

Source my book: Mygenes2000

Dear Eric,

In an earlier post, I wrote “In my research I did have a different mother for Rodrigo Rodriguez De Escobar. I didn’t have her as Maria Martinez De Trujillo. I had his mother as Maria Beatriz Osorio De Villalobos. I do have the father as Alvar Rodriguez De Escobar, Señor de Escobar de Campos. I have him as Señor de Escobar de Campos, and as Señor de Autillo de Campos. ”. I looked up my notes and also did more research into Salazar’s claim of a different mother. I believe that my original research notes are correct and I can explain why Salazar y Castro made his mistake as to the name of his mother. I also have many lines of ancestry of Rui Rodriguez De Escobar ( aka Rodrigo Alvarez De Escobar, Señor de Escobar de Campos i Autillo) that connect kings of Castilla, Leon, Portugal, and France. The royal connections did not stop with his ancestors. I have many royal connections to the spouses of his descendants. The Giron, Villalobos, and other Autillo families had many connections, blood and business, with royalty.

I sent you my address through nuestroranchos but I am not sure if the site’s contact button actually works.

Thank you,
Rick A. Ricci

Alvaro Rodriguez De Escobar, Señor de Escobar and Maria Beatriz Osorio De Villalobos had a younger son named Diego Hernandez De Escobar who settled in Trujillo. Diego married Mencia de Cáceres y Solis and left a long line of descent in Trujillo, Extremadura. Diego is said to be the first of his family to settle there.

Rick A. Ricci

Dear Eric,

I should be, and am, thanking you for your kind words, generosity and encouragement. I am honored and extremely grateful for your offer of a signed copy of your book. Once I read your book, the thought of asking you for a signed copy did cross my mind because I found your book to be a treasure. One of the reasons that your book is an invaluable addition to my library is that it supports and builds on my work that shows that many of the founding families of Nueva Galicia were related before they came over to this side of the Atlantic Ocean. Some were second or third cousins, some of these connections are a century or two before coming over, and in some cases three or four centuries.

I have much respect for your research and am grateful that my comments regarding my notes having the mother of Rodrigo (Rui) Rodriguez De Escobar (aka Rodrigo Señor De Escobar as Maria Beatriz Osorio Villalobos were well received by you. I am not sure if this is the same Rui (Rodrigo) De Escobar, but as you mentioned, the placement of Marta or Maria Martinez as his mother is an awkward fit with what we know about the families and the mark they left in Austillo De Campos. However, Salazar did identify her as María ( o Marta) mtz and did provide that the source was a will. I wonder if Btz should have been written instead of mtz.

Trujillo was not part of the regular surname but a statement of where she was from. As you know, sometimes where a person came from becomes part of a surname. There was a branch of the Escobars from Trujillo so they also had a strong presence there. Looking at the time frame and the family associations that Salazar wrote in his genealogical table, along with the time frame, we can see that we are talking about the same Escobars, but there are a couple of wrinkles like the ownership of the Villa De Autillo that need to be ironed out because the Escobar De Campos side of the family originally did not inherit it as it passed from the Villalobos to the Cisneros Escobar branch first. Somehow the Villa De Autillo came back to Alvaro Rodriguez De Escobar Señor de Escobar de Campos. His son Rodrigo was also sometimes known as Rodrigo Alvarez De Escobar. If we add another generation between Alvaro Rodriguez De Escobar and the Rodrigo Rodriguez De Escobar Señor de Escobar de Campos y Autillo then it would look like this

1) Fernan Escobar, Señor De Escobar (1st to use the surname Escobar) + Sancha De Castañeda. Both came from a long line of nobility. Fernan had many family noble surnames to choose from but took as his surname the name of his new title.
2) Rui Fernández de Escobar. Married twice. First marriage to Teresa Cisneros with no succession. He married a second time to Uracca Mayor Rodríguez de Villalobos.

The property “villa de Autillo” originally belonged to the Villalobos family but passed over to the Escobar family when Urraca Mayor Rodriguez De Villalobos married Rui Fernandez de Escobar. Rui and Urraca have two children, Rui Fernandez De Escobar, II Señor de Escobar, and Isabel De Escobar y Villalobos.

Isabel De Escobar y Rodriguez de Villalobos inherits from her mother the villa De Autillo and Rodrigo Fernandez De Escobar inherits an hacienda from his mother and the “casa De Escobar” from his father and becomes Señor de Escobar de Campos (3).

[Isabel Escobar y De Villalobos marries Martin Ruiz De Cisneros (Cifneros) and they are the progenitors of a Cisneros Escobar line. I have not collected more information on this line yet.]

3) Rodrigo Fernández de Escobar ( i Villalobos), Señor de Escobar de Campos + María de Tovar (although he did not inherit the Villa De Autillo from his mother, she did give him an hacienda.)
4) Rui Fernandez De Escobar, Señor de Escobar y Campos + hija de uno De los señores de Villagarcia
5) Fernan Rodríguez de Escobar, Señor de Escobar y Campos + María ALVAREZ de Barillas y Monroi (en Salamanca)
6) Alvaro Rodriguez De Escobar, Señor de Escobar y Campos + María Beatriz Osorio de Villalobos
7) Rodrigo (Rui) Alvarez De Escobar, Señor de Escobar de Campos (aka Rodrigo Rodriguez De Escobar)

[The following line is speculation to bring the different Escobar branches together to make sense of #8 having the title of Señor de Escobar de Campos i Autillo and the information given by Salazar.

Rui ( Rodrigo) Rodríguez de Escobar Señor de Escobar de Campos e Autillo
Isabel Ruiz de Escobar + Martin Ruiz de Reinoso

[Reminder
I am taking known pieces of the puzzle and adding them to Salazar’s statement to form the family tree by adding a generation to make sense of the puzzle pieces. An argument can be made that Alvar Rodríguez de Escobar married twice, to María (Marta) Mtz, and to María Beatriz Osorio de Villalobos. The Señor De Autillo comes from María Beatriz Osorio de Villalobos. Her son Rodrigo (Rui) Rodriguez De Escobar gets the Señor de Austillo title from her.

As I mentioned earlier, your book is a wonderful addition to my library as it connects to much of my research into other families. My book(s) connect the line you provided to numerous other lines that I have researched.

Through María ALVAREZ de Barillas y Monroi (en Salamanca), who is married to 5)Fernan Rodríguez de Escobar, we find the blood relationship to Hernan Cortez, Conquistador of Mexico.

The document that you found on Miguel Dalmau states that he was a doctor. He was not a medical doctor, at least not in my records. Miguel Dalmau is a “Doctor en Leyes” and came to live with his family in “Castillo De Villahermosa “ after lending the King of Castilla one thousand “florines de oro.”

Thank you again Eric,

Sincerely,
Rick A. Ricci

Congratulations on your book. Look forward to reading it.
Thanks,
Rick A. Ricci

Hola Sergio,

Great work! Here’s another document relative to don Francisco - the carta de dote of doña Juana de Avalos, which he submitted on 2 Feb 1660:  https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSDL-X71J?cat=198356

Saludos,
Manny Díez Hermosillo

Thank you so much for posting this! There is so many documents out there that are yet to be discovered!

Dear Members,

I come to a topic I have proposed that has not gotten much traction: indexing the Protocolos of Guadalajara.  I wanted to give you an example of why I think this would be very worthwhile.  I found the will/testamento of Francisco Rodríguez Ponce from 1660.  I know it has been mentioned before, but from my search of our Forum topics, it does not appear that anyone had seen the actual images or an actual full transcription.  It is a veritable treasure trove for us genealogists!  Below I will include both a partial transcription, and an outline some of the relationships that it details.  It seem to me that he really cared about familial relationships, because he went into a level of detail that I have not seen in other wills, as to  how people are related that are not even in his direct line.  He also often mentioned if the people he was referring to were still living.  Finally, he was extremely  rich.  He received 20,000 pesos in dowry from his mother in law Maria Verdugo, and inherited 124,000 pesos from his father, Fransisco Rodríguez Ponce, el Viejo. Given how long the will, is, I think I will post the relationships in a later post. 

“En el Nombre de Dios Amen = Sepan quantos esta carta vieren como yo Dn. Fan^co Rodrigues ponçe vez^o y minero del R^l De Guachinango hijo Legitimo de fran^co Rodrigues ponçe ya difunto natural de la villa de lepe en los Rey^os de Castilla y de Doña fran^ca de Rentería y Velasco su lexitima muger viuda del suso dho. natural de Juchipila en este Rey^o de la Galicia que [h]oy vive en el R^l de guachinango Como vesina del considerando la fraxilidad humana y la incertidumbre de esta vida y los peligros que [h]ay en ella…

Y primeram^te Como el fundam^to de mi Salbassion confiesso en la presencia de Dios y de la Virgen sanctissima Su madre y de tola la corte Zelestial que h vivido en al Fee Catholica…

Primeram^te m^do y encomiendo mi alma a n^ro. S^r. Jesuxpto…

Y tem mando y quiero que si nro Sr. Fuere servido de llevarme en el RL. De guachinango, mu cuerpo sea depositado en la Yglesia Parrochial del en el sepulco y entierro de mi buen padre y abuelo fran^co. Rodrigues ponçe y Alonso Rodrigues ponçe… y si mi fallesimien^to me coxiegre fuera de dho R^L. mi cuerpo sea depositado en la parte E Yglesia de el pueblo o ciudad donde me coxiere para que despes mis albaceas y herederos lo trasladen a la Yglesia de dho. Rl en en entierro de mi padre y abuelo como queda dicho io al entierro de misa. Doña maría verdugo y de todos los abalos que esta en esta ciudad en el conv^to. De S^to franco. En el Altar de nra. Ss^a…

Ytem decalto que yo fui despossado y velado según orden de nra. s^ta madre yglessia in façie exlesie con doña Juana de abalos y vocanegra hijo lejitima de don. Diego de vocanegra y de D^a. maría verdugo y abalos  ya difuntos vesinos que fueron del pueblo de zayula y durante veinte a^s.que [h]a que somos casados poco mas o menos [h]emos tenido y procreado por. nros. hijos a Da. María ya Da. Juana y a don Diego y a Don Joseph u a Da. Fransisca y Doña Angela, declarolos por por nuestro hijo lixitimos y por nrs. Universales herederos.

Ytem declaro qe al tiempo y q^do Contraje el dho. matrimonio con la dha Da. Juana dabalos y vicanegra me hizo la dha. Da. Maria verdugo y abalas que als sason era ya viuda y tutota y curadora de las menores sus hijas escriptura y promisión de detoe de veyte mill ps^s …después que la dha mi s[uegr]a Su madre murió que me lo entero y pago don Joseph de villas^r. mi cuñado y albaçea de la dha. Mi ss^a. Doña maría verdugo y abalos …

Ytem declaro que por fin y muerte y por clausula del testam^to de fran^co Rodrigues ponse mi sr. Y padre que este en gloria herede ciento y veinte y quatro mill seysientos y ochenta y cinto pesos con lo mejorado en el tersio y Remaniente del qunito que quedaros en sis haciendas… A que me Remito y A la partission que de dhos. Bienes se hizo entre mi sr. Y m adre doña fran^ca de Renteria y Don Pedro de Vidarte y pardo esposo y como tal con poder de doña catalina de Renteria y ponse su muger y mi hermana y entre don fer^do de oñate y mendoza como conjunta person de Da. Angela de Velasco y Rentería su esposa y mi hermana…

Ytem declaro que las cassas de vivienda que son de cal y canto que el dho. mi Padro labro y edifico en el Rl. De guachinango me pertenecen con todas sus entradas y salidas, usos y costumbres po claussula expressa que el dho. mi sr. Y Padre dexo en su testamento. Que fuesen y pertenesiessen al hijo que se quedasse a vivir en ellas en dho. RL. Y poa ver yo quedado y vivido en ella como acutalm^te vivo  por dha clausula me pertenecen y son mias…

Ytem declaro q^e con mi primo nicolas de Rovera mi mayordomo may^or y a azoguero tengo quenta asentada …

Ytem declaro q^e con el B^r. Pedro Rubio felix mi Comp^e Como Beneficiado del dho Rl. Y Cure del le tengo asentado salario Por la administassion de los santos sacramentos tressientos y cincuenta pesos por casa un año…

Bienes:

Primeram^te declare las cassad de mi vivienda y morada de cal y canto q^e me dejo mi s^r y Padre…

Ytem declaro por mis bienes un molina de a caballo que esta en el Rl de guachinango de moler metales…

Ytem declaro q^e en dho RL y en sis contornos tengo nueve sitios de ganados mayores y doce Caballerias de tierra que los señores Governadores deste Rey^o me hizieron mer^d…

Ytem declaro por mis bienes q^e tengo en dho R^L de Guachinango veinte esclavos y esclavas chicos y grandes…

Ytem declaro Por mis bienes todas las minas y Partes de minas que tengo en el RLdel Roxo y sus contonors dos leguas en el Cerro de la mina grande y Sn Juan y Silojuchite, y Zerro del Rango y Panico y Zerro de la plata virgen…

Ytem declaro por mis bienes un molino de moler metales de agua q^e tengo en el dho puesto del Roxo de ocho massos y otro de a caballo llamado montesuma…

Ytem declaro por mis bienes unas cassas de mi vivienda en el dho Roxo con adorno de ymagines mesa y cillas scriptorioa y cama

…

Ytem declaro pro mis bienes la estancia de cuyutlan con tres sitios de ganado mayor y cinco caballería de tierra…declaro que al tiempo y quando tenia poblada la dha hazienda de cuyutlan ympuse sobre ella una cappellania de tres mil ps. de principal con cargo de dos missas resadas casa semana por el anima de mis señores Pares y madre y mia y mis difuntos y llame por cappellan della al Ldo. Nicolas Ramos…

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Ytem declaro q^e en el valle de tenamastlan provi^a de tecolotaln de la alcaldía mayor del pueblo de autlan de la nueva Spaña tengo una estancia de ganados mayores llamda Sⁿ. Clem^te y Caballerias de tierra que ube y compre a Jn^o de hortega Maldonado Como albasea de doña Juana de sea viuda de her^do Ximenes Calderon vez^a del dho valle ya difuncta Como tutor y curado de diego ximenes calderon su hijo en onse mil pesos la cual Compre en publica almondea con todas sus solemnidades de pregones edictos y informassiones… qe se Pagaban al Capn. Don Lucas Camberos como a tuto de Blas blanco vez de tzayula hijo de Jn^o Gaviño…Y solo la dha hazienda de S^to Clem^te tiene dos mil ps. de principal que el Redito de los un mil ps. se paga a Alonso martin siruela como heredero del Ldo. Fran^co de Villalobos presvitero ya difunto los otros setessientos y cinquenta ps. De principal se paga el Redito dellos que son trentya y siete ps. Y medio en plata en cada un año y se pagan al Ldo. Geronimo de aguayo presvitero como a person que petenese la Cappellania que le Corresponde adho principal y doscientos y Cinq^ta pesos de principal que son de Reditos quince pesos Al ldo. Lorenzo de la cerva como a persona que sirve dhoa Capellania que los sitios de dha hazienda de S^to. Clem^te que Compre que son ocho sitios de ganado mayor y dose Caballerias de tierra…

Y tem declaro que después de hecha la Compra Referida Compre a Da. Juana Cobarrubias el citio de los Yingenios y medio citio llamado el platanal y el medio citio de Sta. Cathalina todo por precio de mil y tresientos ps…

Y tem declaro por mis bienes lacassas de mi vivienda que todas son de abobe y terrado con sus aposentos Y oficinas de vivienda con sus corrales entradas y salidas… y una capilla de adobe con sus puertas y sachristia y un quadro grande de lienso con la pintura del gloriosso san Clem^te sumo pontifice y martic con sus ornamentos Calix de Platta missal…

Y tem declaro Por mis bienes la labor de Sto. Antonio de la Rinconada que esta en la Jurisdiccion de guachinango de nueva Galicia la qual Compre al Capn. Ph^e de mora marido de Da. Maria telles hija de Diego telles de herrera marido de michaela de quebedo suegra del dho Phe. De mora la qual como hermana lexitima de Andres martines de quebedo ya difucto heredo la dha labor y compro las otras partes de su hermana Doña michaela que se las vendio al dho. Capⁿ Phelipe de mora Rodrigo martines de quebedo como Albassea y tenedero de bienes de su hermano Andres martines de quebedo que era el lijitimo dueñio de dha labor de la Rinconada Con todas las diligencias e otras Por la Justicia de der^o nessesarias en cuya virtud las poseyó muchos años Como de dos caudos consta que son tres sitios Para ganado mayor con diez Caballeria de tierra y todas las minas y partes de minas qe por fin Y Por el dho Andres martines de quebedo en el Rl de ocotitlan y minas del pansasso y en las de Sto. Sebastian en el camino de pospisaloya todo lo Compe Por pfrecio de sys mil y setessientos ps. En Rs. Y los miss de ellos quedaron en lenso qe Recocnocí a la Cofradia de nrs. Ssa. Del Rossario deesta Ciudad de Guadalaxa. Y otros mil assimimo al Conv^to. De nra. Ssa. De la mer^d…

Ytem declaro por mis bienes las estancias de vistabuena y S^to. Xptobal en el dho valle y Jurisdicssion de guachinango q^e todo lo ube y compre del alferes Don Suero basques de moscoso y a Da. Costansa de Castro y Messa y Por fin y muerte del alferes Don Gregorio de Castro y mesa su herm^o.  como hijos ixitimos y herederos del Capn. Don Lorenzo de Castro y messa y do{a Costanza de moscosso su lixitima muger las queales dhas. estancias de Ganados mayores y Caballerias de tierra tam solamte. El caxco compre en ocho mil ps. En Rs. Como de dhas. Escriptureas y ventas consta a qe. Me Remito y los Zitios de estancias y cavallerias de tierra quantas y quales Son se minsiones den diez titiulos y ventas a que me Remito en la quales estancias he metido y pobrlados y tengo y pobaldo y oy sies mills Resses de Eierro Para arrina..

Ytem declaro Por mis bienes El buen Retiro q esta en dha Jurisdission Con Un Zitio de gagado mayor y menor y declarar los cuantos y ciales son q Porpstrp nomre se llaman acatital de que tengo hecha mrd. Por la Rl. audi^a que governava y esta compueso con su mag^d. cuyos Recautos están en mis papeles, el qual sitio tengo Poblado con gente y cincuenta yeguas, en dos manadas con sus padres castissos y una guerta de arbolera.

Y tem declaro q mi madre y s^a doña fran^ca de renteria en la Partission de los bienes qe le hisso en la fin y muerte de mi sr. Y Pe qe dios aya le cupo el potrero de Xaltemba y Canala ambos en ochocientos  ps. Y después Yo compre nuevos sitios y todos los valdios y guecos que pague al Jues de medidas en la caxa lo que se tasso y mas compre la pde. Y zitions que tenia mrn Alh. Partida a su mug^r Doña fran^ca de grijalavaPor precio de quatri cientos y mas se me hisso mrd. Del potero de ponto que y pague…son mios y me pertenessen ho haverlos Yo  adquirido y comprado y pagado después aca como, de dho recaudos y ventas y pagos …tengo y criando quinientos y seteneta y ocho vecerros machos y la paga de la entrada dellos tiene Ressvida Diego de Haro el mozo, a cuto cargo esta la crianza dellos conforme a la escriptura de concierto que otorgamos entre el susso dho y yo qe esta entre mis papeles con el ressivo de dho becerros que me rremito y declarolo todo por mis Bienes.

Y tem declare Por mis Bienes el Zitio del agostadero de ganado mayor con tres cavallerias de tierra que están entre el pueblo de tepantla y atengo Jurisdission de autlan de la nueva espana con mas de docientas yeguas veinte Resses con quatro bueyes casa de Vivienda despenssa y cosina todo de xacal y corrales q El capital miguel de renteria compro en almoneda pu^ca Dhas tierras y yeguas en precio de ochocientos ps. Por fin y muerte del encomendero Gonzalo Velasques de Leon Para pagar Su funeral y qe tubiessen Sus hijos don diego y doña Juana La pte que les cavia y dhas terras me vendio después dho mi tio como consta por pession y traspasso que esta entre mis papels y esto declaro por mis Bienes…

Y temp declo qe Por quanto mi sr. Y padre q este en gloria ympusso tres aniversarios p Su madre y la de Su Pdre mis aguelos en la catedral de guadalaxa. Y qe asimismo dexo ympesta rrenta para qe cuando saliesa el Santissma sacramento a darse por viatico a los enfermos de su capilla llevasen los sacerdotes las para del palio pagándoles de limosna la acostumbtada asta aqui y de una y otra ymposission como imponedor dellas en s vida fue el patron en su muerte me dexo en der^o y sucession, del tal patronasgo y usando del dho. der^o Por mi fin y muerte dexo y nombro al mayo de mis hijos y en su fin y muete al que sucediere de los q^e quedaren vivos qe desde ahora y para entonces, obtenienedo en mi mientras viviere el der^o de tal patron después de mis días lle Subrrogo en los dos mis hijos en la forma Referide. 

Ytem quiero y es mi Voluntas q Lucas de Valera mulato Sea Libre, de tal cauptiberio y q Po esta claussula desde agora y para rtodo tpo. quede libre y horro de toda servitdumbre Por lo ien que me a servido y por el mucho amor y rendim^to que desde mi niñes a servido el y su me. A quien mi sr y padre consedio carta de libertad y en essa consequencia se la consedo y esta clausula le hago libre y me desisto y aparto del dominio y señorío qe al dho Lucas de Valera tengo…

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Y para cumplir este mi testamto. Madas y legados del dexo y nombro por mis albaceas testamentarios a mi mesma persona en mi vida, como tal textador y alvaxea de mi mesmo baya cumpliendo las obras y mandas pias q en el dexo y asigno en la clausual de qe la qe assi fuere cumpliendo al marge declare mi letra y ribrica…y para después de mis días dexo y nombro por mis albaceas testamentarios a mi muy querida madre y sa. Doña fran^ca de Renteria y a doña Juana de abalos y vocanegra mi estimada esposa y ssa. Y a mi tio el Capn. Miguel de Renteria muxica y a mi compe. El br. Pedro Rubio felix mi cura y confessor como y con quien tengo comunicada mi alma y descargo de mi conssiecia y a todos quatro y a cada uno dellos insolidum a quienes doy todo mi poder cumplido qual de de der^o. … y el otorgte. A quien yo en scrvo. Foy fee qe conozco aviendolo oydo y estando en todo su entero acuerdo juicio y entendimiento al parecer y en sanidad de que doy fee en la parte que puedo lo otrogo y firmo ante los testigos que para serrli fueron rogados y llamado el Capitan Don diego negrete Cortes, el Capitan Dn. Ferdo. Lascando, Dn. Alonsso espinossa de los monteros, y Diego Lozano y el Ldo. Dn. Alonsso de Horendain vesinos y estantes en esta Ciudad de guadalaxara nuevo Reyo. De la Galicia a dos dieas del

Con respecto a Sancho de Rentería, esposo que fue de Agueda del Rio, les anexo el testamento de la dicha Agueda.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSD2-13PY-L?i=199&cat=…

Hi all,

I just took another look at my file on Diego Rentería Mujica and I wrote a note that his parents are named in the meritos of the chantre Diego Flores de la Torre. I am not sure if I meant the one held at the Bancroft Special Collections at UCB or the one that was posted on another thread here, and available on PARES:

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/24573

I can check back through my poor quality photos of the Bancroft version and see if that's where I saw it. I have a vague memory that it was in a section where Diego was listing his relatives toward the end of the meritos. However, this only solves the problem in part, given the possibility Diego could have been mistaken. But at any rate, it is a relatively good bet that they were his parents.

Hope this helps for now, but will post again when I find more.

Richard

Hello Sus and Forum Members,

I am also investigating this family line and I wanted to ask you and others in this Forum if you have any luck finding additional information on Sancho de Rentería Married to Ángela de Velasco. I am trying to find evidence that Diego de Rentería y Mújica (married to Isabel Sarmiento), is the son of Sancho de Rentería and Ángela de Velasco. So far, I have found several references in family trees and publications on the internet where they show that this is the case, but none offer a source. If anyone in this group can share a source that shows that Diego de Rentería y Mújica (married to Isabel Sarmiento), is the son of Sancho de Rentería and Ángela de Velasco, I would really appreciate it. If you don't have the source but could point me in the right direction, that would be helpful as well.

I wanted to share a link, that may be useful to you Sus. It is regarding a "Limpieza de Sangre" for Juan de Rentería, the father of Sancho de Rentería. These "Limpiezas de Sangre" were basically genealogical studies whose purpose was to prove that the individual in question were pure "Old Christians" who didn't have recent Muslim or Jewish Ancestry. The link below, shows a reference to the book: "Aspirantes americanos a cargos del Santo Oficio: sus genealogías ascendentes. Fernández de Recas, Guillermo. 1956. Ed. Porrúa." In the bottom right hand corner of the page, you will see the entry for Juan de Rentería. It shows a brief description of the record. This reference points to the original record at the "Archivo General de la Nación," in México City. If you visited the ""Archivo General de la Nación" you can read the Limpieza de Sangre with the following info: Año de 1572, Tomo 65, Expediente 3.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9C5-8X3?i=20&cat=2115…

Thank you all, and any information is greatly appreciated.

Regards,
Luis Macías

I have four people named Sancho De Rentería that lived in the 1500’s and early 1600’s in Nueva Galicia.

The Sancho Rentería that is the son of Juan Renteria and Juana Pereira is not my ancestor.

The other three “Sancho De Rentería” listed here are my ancestors.

1). Sancho de Rentería is the son, or son=in -law, of : Hernando Mujica, “contador de Guadalajara” and “Francisca Porres Baranda y Temiño de la Mota. “ I do not have a wife for this Sancho. Sancho’s son:

2).Sancho de Rentería Mujica (Moxica, Mohica) and Angela Velasco (De la Torre). I Repeat the fact that this Sancho has grandparents named Hernando Mujica, “contador de Guadalajara” and “Francisca Porres Baranda y Temiño de la Mota. [It is unknown to me whether they are his paternal or maternal grandparents.]. Sancho and Angela’s son:

3)Capitán Sancho de Rentería y Velasco and Águeda Del Río y Losa (Águeda descends from both Gines Vasquez De Mercado who is honored every year in Spain for his generosity, and Bernardo Vasquez De Tapia, well known people during their lifetimes.)

Rock A. Ricci

Hi Sus,

I was tracking Francisca de Renteria, hija de Sancho Renteria Mojica cc Angela de Velasco, since I have an ancestor with that same name, and I wanted to see if there was any connection. Here’s Francisca’s burial:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-DJ99-VV?i=114&wc=3JW2-…

Her sister was Maria de Renteria cc Francisco Palomino Rendon Narvaez. I have the Renteria’s originating in Lepe, Huelva, Spain, though I don’t know where I got that.

Here’s a link to the protocolos de Guadalajara.
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/results?count=20&query=%2Ba…

Good luck!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

Thank you so much for that video link! So interesting for me, especially because I am a descendant of all three of these families!

Link to the video: Mexican Genealogy: Jewish Origin of Three Families in Jalisco

While “Bautista” can be a surname, it is also a proper name. I remember my father had a cousin with that name in his hometown: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bautista_(nombre)

I hope that helps!

Manny Díez Hermosillo

That’s an interesting clue.

On some records, Francisca de Islas, daughter of Juan de Islas Sandoval cc Juana de Rivera, and wife of Juan Lopez de Lizardi, was called Francisca de la Asencion (baptisms of sons Juan de Dios and Cayetano).

Good eye! Thanks for sharing!

Manny Díez Hermosillo
 

Thank you for sharing. You have some lovely photos in your tree! I love black and white pictures!

Laura

Mr. Sales, 

I agree with you that this marriage record fits the time line of the Araiza Y Medina Line.  Great information from it!!

The marriage does indicate that Hernando Arayze and Maria Guzman are "Vecinos" of the city . Juan De Araiza's Testament says they were Vecinos of Zacatecas .(probably later)

In the past, we did talk about the 1739 ordination investigation of Gabriel Araiza in comparison to the 1664 Testament of Juan De Araiza Y Medina. The will stating they are "Vecinos" of Zacatecas, and the Investigation stating that Juan De Araiza Y Medina was born in  "Un Lugar en La Vizcay en los Reinos de Castilla".

Could the ordination investigation be wrong? Could it be possible that Juan de Araiza already have been born at the time of the marriage in 1592?

Also noted in the marriage is a 'Joan De Medina"  , I wonder what relation this person had to Hernando and could this person be the contributor to the Araiza Y Medina surname?

Great Stuff!!!

La información que dice que nació en 1707 es incorrecta. Según su información matrimonial, Pedro Nolasco tenía unos 25 años cuando se casó en 1738, por lo que nació hacia el 1713. Dice que nació en la estancia de Salitrillo, que estaba en Sierra de Pinos: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-JR1C-V?i=65&wc=3JHB-4WG

Si es tu antepasado, entonces somos primos, ya que su madre era hija de mis antepasados ​​directos, Diego Alonso de Hermosillo y doña Juana de Alderete.

Saludos,
Manny Díez Hermosillo

¿Has revisado la página de Sebatián en sito "Family Search"? (https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/GW1J-SL4) Tal vez haya algunos errores pero este es un buen página para comenzar a revisar documentos. Mira la sección de "Sources." Parece que ya se ha trabajado mucho en esta página. Hay documentos que informan que Sebastian es hijo de Juan Macias Valdez y Juana Dominguez. Sebastian se casó con Juana en 1710. El documento de defunción de Pedro Nolasco estima que nació en 1717 (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:684Y-WH3C).

Y lo siento otra vez que mi español es tan terrible :/

Es hijo de Juan Macías cc Juana Hernández Gamiño y Gómez Espejo y Domínguez. Aquí su IM:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DCF9-WZL?i=347&wc=M6QX…
Y de Juana: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-JC5P-1?i=72&wc=SSL3-168

Saludos,
Manny Díez Hermosillo
 

Lo siento porque español es mi segunda lengua pero... es posible que haya estado casado dos veces? Tal vez la primera esposa murió y él se volvió a casar? Si puede encontrar el registro de la boda, el documento a menudo dice si el señor es un viudo y indicará el nobre de la esposa fallecida. Si necesitas ayuda con los registros, por favor dígame el fecha de nacimiento de Sebastian y los nobres de los padres y de las dos esposas y yo puedo revisarlos. 

Hola Bobby,

Joseph Juarez was baptized 2 Feb 1680 in Nochistlan, he was son of Diego Juarez and Tomasa Delgadillo: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-G1VY-R?i=400&wc=3P98-J…

You can find more info about them here, including a link to a dispensation verifying that Joseph Juarez was the same who married Nicolasa Carrillo: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Ju%C3%A1rez-56

It’s possible that Nicolasa Carrillo was also from Nochistlan, there were various branches of the Carrillo de Sandi living in that area. But I see no record of Joseph and Nicolasa marrying there. There were various branches of the Carrillo de Sandi in Teocaltiche and a couple in Aguascalientes, so check those communities, too. If they married in Teocaltiche, then you’ll be out of luck, since the marriage books are missing for the years they would’ve married.

Good luck!
Manny Díez Hermosillo
 

I don’t think Pedro Montellano, who was married to Ana Maria de los Santos Castorena, and Pedro Montejano Argote, who married Guadalupe Cirila Camarillo, are the same person. For one thing, though similar, the surnames are different and have different origins.

For them to be the same person, he’d have to have been married first to Ana Maria de los Santos, before 1786, when their daughter Gertrudis was born; according to his marriage information, Pedro Montejano Argote was born around 1780 on Rancho del Maguey and had been living on Rancho de la Jaula, both in the jurisdiction of Pinos. He was 17 and had never been married, nor had he lived anywhere else. So he couldn’t have been the same person who was married to Ana Maria de los Santos. Also, according to their marriage records, Pedro Montellano’s children were mestizos, and their mother, Ana Maria de los Santos, was spanish (white), so Pedro was mixed race, for his children to be mestizos. Pedro Montejano Argote was spanish.

So, I don’t think your Montellano’s descend from the Montejano’s of Pinos/Ojuelos. When researching families in Ojocaliente, I’ve had luck searching in Asientos and Calvillo, Aguascalientes - have you tried those places? Doing a general search on FamilySearch, I see both Montellano’s and Castorena’s showing up there.

Saludos, 
Manny Díez Hermosillo