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Hello all,

My uncle is celebrating his 97th birthday, we think.  I found his baptismal record.  There is an abbreviation after "cuatro de Julio" i cannot make out.  I believe it stands for "presente pasado" but that wouldn't make sense.  Does it mean last year (1926) or the present year (1927) Anyone have an idea?  It is the second one from the top on the left page.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-MKPQ-P?view=index&personArk=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AD5QP-3DZM&action=view

thank you in advance,

AP

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the prior month of July; so----  "el cuatro de Julio P. PDO ..."  mean the 4th of previous July (the July before this 12 sep entry).  Note that the entry is being recorded on 12 September 1927......so that would mean 4 JULY 1927.  

(From google:  ¿Que se significa el mes proximo pasado?   La expresión próximo pasado se usa para referirse al día, semana, mes o año mencionado inmediatamente anterior; el año próximo pasado es el último que hubo antes de éste.)

I'll go buff up the entry.

Apparently his real name is "J. Refugio"..... which would generally understood to be "Jose Refugio"

Here.... I initiated and populated some of your tree.....  lots of info available...  https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/landscape/GR29-BRV

 

 

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Pedro de Ledezma

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Looking for any information on Pedro de Ledezma married to Isabel de Grado prior to 1524

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Dear Carlos,

I researched the naming of Conquistadors and found that you were right that some people that went on Vasquez De Coronados’s expedition were also referred to as Conquistador. So we have two men named Pedro Ledesma that were conquistadors but they were not involved in the same events.

Thanks,
Rick A. Ricci

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I have previously stated that criado meant servant but it had different connotations in the 1500’s. Criado could mean what we now call personal assistant or Subordinate. Many criados when on to hold high positions in government.

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Dear Jose Alfredo,

Many years ago I received some information on the Ledezma family from another genealogist that was also researching the Ledesmas that came to Mexico. His primary focus was trying to find his Ledesma ancestors from Guanajuato. He had come to a brick wall so he was researching all the Ledesmas that came from Spain. He informed me that the Ledesma ancestral branch (From Los altos de Jalisco) that I was investigating descended from a family in Zamora Spain that also left much descent in South America. He provided my starting point for investigating in Spain but I also ran into a brickwall like he did. That is until a couple of years later when I was working on another research project and discovered at the bottom of the page written in small print that the Ledesma that I was stuck at was the son of a woman who is the illegitimate daughter of a prince of Castilla. I became fascinated by this find and renewed my efforts into finding my Ledesma ancestry. What I discovered was that the family had been involved in a big scandal a few generations before that had caused many family members to change their surname. Many of the family used variations of four different surnames which made tracking the family more difficult. I discovered that the genealogists who had shared his findings with me was correct that this family has many descendants in South America. Besides descending from royalty through his mother I also found that his father’s and his wife’s ancestral lines show that many generations back both of them descended from King Alfonso IX of Leon.

But my interests concern the Pedro Ledesma that is the progenitor of my De La Torre-Ledesma ancestors and I could not find Isabel Grado as a wife of one of the many Pedro Ledesmas from this family. What I found was a Pedro Ledesma that was married to a woman who was from Salamanca. That is all it says about them so I don’t know if this woman is the same woman known as Isabel Grado. This Pedro Ledesma also has a great uncle also named Pedro Ledesma that does not have a wife listed in the family tree. This led me back to researching my Pedro Ledesma that is married to Catalina Mejia De La Torre. Like you, I saw that it was written in a secondary source that he is the Pedro Ledesma known as a conquistador and that he was the son of Pedro Ledesma and Isabel Grado. My research into this theory proved that the conquistador Pedro Ledesma and the Pedro Ledesma married to Catalina Mejia De La Torre are two different people. So that leaves the situation where the Pedro Ledesma and Isabel Grado are not the parents of Pedro Ledesma that is married to Catalina if they are the parents of the conquistador.

So we have the ancestral line in Spain since we know who Pedro Ledesma that is married to Catalina De La Torre descends from, yet we have a weak link in Mexico at this time because we don’t know if the Pedro Ledesma married to Isabel Grado is the same couple as the Pedro Ledesma married to a woman from Salamanca.

I have much more information on this family that I will be presenting in my book. One of the stories of this Ledesma family involves the attempt to bribe the brother of an ancestor of many people in Nueva Galicia.

The Pedro Ledesma that is married to the “woman from Salamanca” is a relative of Hernan Cortez the Conquistador through his mother’s side. A paternal cousin of this Pedro Ledesma came to Mexico and was identified as Hernan Cortez’s cousin so there is also a familial connection through Pedro Ledesma’s paternal side.

Rick A. Ricci
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Hello Primo Rick!

It´s so interesting that a friend of yours has researched about the Ledesmas in Gto. because that´s the line I´m researching now because the Ledesmas of Michoacán have their origin precisely in Guanajuato.

I´m stuck right now with Domingo de Ledesma who was born around 1650 and married around 1674 Micaela de Espinosa. This couple lived in Salamanca.

I haven´t been able yet to find Domingo´s parents but I found that there is a contemporary Domingo de Ledesma who died in Patzcuaro on may-24-1696 and he is reported as being born in 1656.

A posible father or grandfather of one or both Domingos may be another Domingo de Ledesma born around 1600 who married around 1625 Francisca de Mendoza, I have this couple baptizing their daughter Juana de Ledesma ago-10-1636 in Queretaro

I found that there´s a Juan de Ledesma who married around the year 1600 to Mariana de Vargas and they are the origin of the Ledesmas of Silao, Gto.

I also found that there was a Domingo de Ledesma baptized aug-11-1583 contemporary to Juan the one who lived in Silao; Domingo´s parents were Antonio de Ledesma and Ana Suárez.

Did your Ledesma friend shared with you his findings? Maybe he has the links that I´m missing.

Now, talking about the Conquistador Pedro de Ledesma I found that the one married to Catalina Mexía is righteously called that way because in 1556 he claims to have fought, conquered and pacified Yucatan. And I´ve found that there were at least two more Ledesma conquerors : Hernando de Ledesma who came with Cortés, and Juan de Ledesma who came with Narvaez around 1508.

It is possible that these three conquerors were the sons of Martin de Ledesma and Isabel de la Parra who were the documented parents of Hernando and maybe for that reason the Pedro de Ledesma who married Catalina Mexía named his daughter Isabel.

It seems that it is a very interesting family so I can´t wait for your book to be released.

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Both “Pedro Ledesma” lived very busy lives but the one married to Catalina Mejia is attached to the hip of Francisco Vasquez De Coronado while the Conquistador was attached to the hip of Pedro Alvarado.

I take issue with your statement:
“Conquistador Pedro de Ledesma I found that the one married to Catalina Mexía is righteously called that way because in 1556 he claims to have fought, conquered and pacified Yucatan. “

I agree with you that more than one can be called a Conquistador, but I think that the title was used for the one that conquered Nicaragua and pacified Yucatán. The expedition of Vasquez De Coronado was not a big success like Alvarado’s was in Yucatán and Nicaragua. Vasquez De Coronados expedition was an economic disaster as he blew through his wife’s Estrada inheritance.

The origin of this mistake that they were the same person is found in Diccionario autobiográfico de conquistadores y pobladores de Nueva España: The Conquistador Pedro de Ledesma that “ conquered and pacified Yucatán ” and helped govern Nicaragua is not the same one that married Catalina Mexia. That Conquistador Pedro Ledesma became known as “doctissimo Fray Pedro”. This Doctissimo Fray Pedro fought besides Pedro Alvarado and settled in Mexico City.

The Pedro Ledesma that married Catalina Mejia did participate in Governor Francisco Vazquez De Coronado northern expedition as he was his “criado” for ten years. This Pedro Ledesma lived in Francisco Vasquez De Coronado’s household in Guadalajara and only lived in Mexico City for a short time while the Conquistador Pedro Ledesma lived there for a long time after his tour of duty in the Yucatán and Nicaragua. There also seemed to be an age difference between the two Pedro Ledesma. The Conquistador Pedro Ledesma was approximately ten years older.

Yucatán and Nicaragua are to the south and Fernando Vasquez De Coronado’s expedition was to the north so they were far apart. I don’t know of anyone that was involved in both activities.

I believe that the Pedro Ledesma that is married to Catalina Mejia De La Torre is the son of The Pedro Ledesma married to “mujer de Salamanca” and I have not been able to confirm if this “mujer de Salamanca” is the same person as Isabel Grado.

The notes that were shared with me show that two sons of Domingo Ledesma and María Espinosa were born in Salamanca but that a daughter of theirs was born In Guanajuato. The sons were Marcelino m. 1704 in Salamanca to Josefa Rodriguez and Antonio Ledesma b. 1675. Their daughter Antonia was born the year after Marcelino was born in Guanajuato. Domingo and María left many descendants throughout Guanajuato. These notes and dates regarding the Ledesma in Guanajuato are not from my research.

Thanks,
Rick A. Ricci

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Hello Rick,

I just became a member and am here researching my Ledesma lineage. I am interested in your book that will be coming out. Please keep me posted. Also in reading your information above about Pedro Ledesma marrying a woman from Salamanca. There is a town named " Ledesma" in Salamanca. See below link. Not sure if you knew this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ledesma,_Castile_and_Le%C3%B3n

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Some genealogists have claimed that Pedro Ledesma married to Isabel Grado and Pedro Ledesma the conquistador are the same person. I do not think they are the same person. I believe that the Conquistador is the half brother of the grandfather of the Pedro Ledesma married to Isabel Grado.

I have a lot more work to do before I add anymore info on this family as I am still researching the branches that went to South America.

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Pedro Ledesma does descend from :

32. Pedro de Zuniga, Conde de Ledesma y Plasencia, Justicia Mayor del Rey and Alguacil mayor del Rey,
+ Isabel Guzman
So Pedro Ledesma does descend from Edward of Windsor aka Edward III, King of England.

Please see the post on the descent of Edward III to Margarita Rocha Gutierrez to see the line of Pedro Zuniga, Conde de Ledesma and Plasencia to King Edward III.
I am not ready to post the ancestry of Pedro Ledesma yet.

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hello, my name is Jose Alfredo De La Torre Romo, I am a descendent of Pedro de Ledezma and of his wife Catalina Mejia De La Torre daughter of Melchor Perez De La Torre. I have been trying to find from whom are his ancestors from Spaon, since I have been unable to follow that thread. I f you by any chance have any information on the subject could you please get in touch with me either thru here or my e-mail address at josealfredodelatorre@yahoo.com I greatly appreciate any help you might be able to provide.
Thank you
Jose Alfredo

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Dear Jose Alfredo,

I don’t know if our Pedro Ledesma that is married to Catalina De La Torre is the son of Pedro Ledesma and Isabel Grado. The timeline for The son of Pedro Ledesma and Isabel Grado does fit the Conquistador Pedro Ledesma but I have proved that these “Pedro Ledesma” are two different people.

Rick A. Ricci
Source Mygenes2000

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There are a couple of Pedro de Ledesma during this time but if Steve Hernandez is correct that this Pedro Ledezma is the ancestor of the De La Torre Ledesma in Los Altos de Jalisco and if the claim that he descends from El Comendador is correct then I have found his parents and ancestors. The family trees that other genealogists have made for his ancestors are riddled with mistakes, just like Juan Pantoja Portocarrero ancestry and Toribio Hernandezs grandfathers ancestry. I don't want to post their parents without showing the correct ancestral lines for many more generations. In the book that I am writing, I provide evidence for the correct lines, and provide stories to go with many of these ancestors. The book is at least a year away as I continue to find important information. I had previously said that I would finally publish this summer but I continue to find little pieces of information that i want to add. One of his ancestors is arguably the greatest knight that ever lived.

I went ahead and posted the Ochoa Garibay ancestry because there are not a bunch of false genealogies on this family like there are for Juan Pantoja Portocarrero, Toribios grandfather, or Pedro Ledesmas great grandfather. There isn't or won't be a lot of discussion on the Ochoa line, I could just present without having to explain how it differs from other lines that people have. To this date, not one person has made a comment on the Ochoa line that I presented. It will be much different when I present these other lines (Juan Pantoja, Toribio Hernandez Arellano, Pedro Ledesma and Cervantes) as they go back many more centuries and have many more interesting stories attached to them.
R.A. Ricci

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Hello! I was wondering how the book is going, since I'm very interested in the de La Torre Ledesma line. That line is both on my mother and father's tree and I'm stuck in Pedro de Ledesma.

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I still have nt finished my book and for good reason.   I keep finding bits of information to add.  I just recently found a record showing Pedro Ledesmas mother in a dispute over an inheritance where some of the other people listed in the dispute are members of Hernan Cortez’s immediate family.   So here is another family connection amongst the conquistadors. 

Rick A. Ricci

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MARIA DE LAS RUELAS and the daughters of JUAN MONTAÑÉS & MARIA DE SOTOMAYOR

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Hola a todos:

Reconozco algunos de los apellidos de su investigación:

Sotomayor.- Gabriel de Sotomayor era el hombre más rico de Querétaro en 1643. También en Acámbaro había una familia de encomenderos que se apellidaban Sotomayor, sin embargo, no he encontrado suficiente documentación de estas personas.

Ruelas.- Ya en una ocasión transcribí parte del testamento de Juan de Las Ruelas quien testó en Querétaro el 9 de febrero de 1602, dijo ser natural de Sevilla, hijo de Hernando de Las Ruelas y de Francisca de Medina. Heredó varias casas en la Calle Real de Zacatecas a su hija Leonor de Las Ruelas y dijo tener un hijo llamado Hernando que se fue a España y tenía además a sus hijas Beatriz y Felipa de Vargas.

Montañés.- Hay una familia de Querétaro que estuvo ligada con las familias de Jalisco como los Híjar, los Monroy.

Andrés Martín.- Hubo un Andrés Martín natural de Vargas, Toledo que testó en Querétaro en el año 1600, declaró tener un hermano llamado Diego Martín a quien le prestó 300 pesos para comprar cenizas en San Luis. Dijo que no tenía herederos y dejo sus bienes a Ana Hernández, mujer que lo cuidaba durante su enfermedad.

Hubo además otra familia Martín de las principales de Querétaro, pero fue en el siglo XVI eran varios hermanos encargados del abasto de carnes.

Enríquez: era la familia principal de San Luis de La Paz.

Tal vez convenga que extiendan sus investigaciones a esta zona porque muchas familias de Queretáro tenían tierras de San Luis Potosí y en la Sierra de Pinos.

Saludos

Marcelina

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Manny,

I've just seen this post, and of course, I am so thankful that you have not only located the various records but have unified them into a narrative that allows us to understand the events reported. I have so many familial lines to study, so when I see a report like this about one of my ancestors, it makes me want to work harder to sort through all of the available documentation I have located. Thank you so much for all the hard work you have spent on this!

Rosalinda

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thank you for sharing more great information on our ancestor Maria de las Ruelas.

A super thank you to Mary Lou Montagna for lighting your way.

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Thank you so much, Manny, for your discoveries re one of my favorite ancestors. You are persistent, precise and a great narrator. I need to digest this new data and update my files. Stored files that have gathered dust for many years. You may even have coaxed me out of research retirement. Wouldn't it be great to identify that great lady's parents?!

Saludos y mil gracias,
Mary Lou

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I’d like to express my immense gratitude for your generosity in sharing these documents, as well as composing such an awesome synopsis of the aforementioned documents- a very enjoyable and comprehensible read!

I have spent many hours rummaging through the San Luis Potosí collections, and I am very glad you have found my ancestor Juan de Salcido’s testamento! I have been working extensively on the de Salcido line for a long time.

Regarding Maria de las Ruelas, she is my ancestor numerous time over across many generations (as I’m sure many of you) and is one of my favorites to explore. In all these documents one would believe we’d get insight into her parentage, but I personally have not yet so the search must continue!

This thread spotlights our abuela Maria de las Ruelas so perfectly that I will post another thread concerning some of the de Salcido documentation I have located over time.

Stay well and mucho agradezco for your plethora of knowledge and generosity.

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This is the carta de dote of Teresa de Sotomayor, aka Teresa las Ruelas, daughter of Andres Martin and Maria de las Ruelas. It was registered by her husband, Diego Martin Saldaña, on 14 Sep 1661. He had actually received the dowry 17 years before, when they married on 26 Nov 1644, but as he explains, he hadn’t had the opportunity to procure a receipt nor register her dowry, “because he lived in the country.” When they married, Andres Martin had already died, so Maria de las Ruelas arranged this marriage and negotiated Teresa’s dowry, valued at 2,393 pesos de oro comun. Included among the items were bedroom furniture and bedding, woman’s clothing and jewelry, some livestock, as well as some cash.

On 26 Feb 1663, Diego Martin Saldaña had taken very ill, so he granted power of attorney to Teresa, so that she could write his testamento. Oddly enough, this document names his parents as Diego Martin Mateos and Maria de Saldaña, but his parents were actually Alonso Martin Mateos and Francisca Nuñez Saldaña. He was so ill at the time, that he couldn’t even sign his name.

Diego Martin was already deceased by 27 Sep 1663, when Teresa de Sotomayor leased to Juan Enriquez Delgado a rancho de “mulas de recua”(mules for a pack train) that belonged to her husband and that were used to haul metals from the Cerro de San Pedro to the various mining haciendas. The rancho was located along the Rio Tlaxcalilla, about a league outside of the city, and there about some 35 mules on it. The following year, on 8 Oct 1664, Teresa sold the rancho to Juan Enriquez Delgado, as she was extremely poor and was unable to provide for herself and her children, who were all minors.

The 1668 San Luis Potosi padron had Teresa living in the home of her mother, Maria de las Ruelas. On 18 Dec 1673, she married Juan Antonio Fernandez Crespo, in San Luis Potosi.

Saludos,
Manny Díez Hermosillo

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In this document is my 3rd great grandfather Jose Dolores Jimenez. There is two separate pictures because the document was found on two different pages. Any help would be greatly appreciated! 
 

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...it is mentioned in the birth of her kid(s).  I found a Jose Arechar in Los Pinos who i think is the same guy and he has a whole 'nother family....but I cannot confirm so i did not merge the 2 Joses...  One her names in Familysearch dot org is Tomasa Arechar Rodriguez....   https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/sources/GW7L-X2J

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here you.... I tried to translate as accurately as I could read the thing.  and here is a direct link to the page: 

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-BS3W-R?view=index&pers…

 

In the Chapel of Los Campos on 2 May 1865, i the "presbiterio"  (D.=Mr) Mr Mucio Godina(?), with License from the Parrish, with prior necessary consent(s), the examination(as best as i can tell) of the Christian Doctrine, the three moviciones( (conditions?) provided for by the Holy Council of Trent,  that were the 16th, 23d, and 30th of the previous month, which resulted in not any impediment, prepared with the Holy Sacraments of the Penitence and Eucharist, married and blessed, in faciae ecleciae (IN FACIE ECCLESIAE. Definition: In facie ecclesiae means "in the face of the church."), Jose Dolores Jimenez, celibate of 21 years of age, originally from Los Pinos, and resident("vecino" is kinda like neighbor from) of La Monteza, legitimate son of Jose Guadalupe Jimenez and of Juana Martinez that are alive, with Tomasa Rodriguez, celibate of 15 years of age, originally and neighbor of Rancho de La Milpa, Natural Daughter (read: illegitimate) of Estefana Rodriguez who is alive.  Godparents Ydelfonso & Martina Jimenez.  Witnesses Andres Lopez & Rosalino Santoya.  For the record I signed along with the Priest. 

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José Dolores Jiménez (single, 21 years old, from Pinos and legitimate son of José Guadalupe Jiménez and Juana Martínez) and Tomasa Rodríguez (single, 15 years old, from Rancho de la Milpa and natural daughter of Estéfana Rodríguez) were married in the chapel of the hacienda of los Campos on May 22, 1865.

Here is the link to their información matrimonial: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-YRDZ-X. It adds that he is originally from Pinos and was then a resident of La Monteza. The witnesses all confirmed the biographical information.

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Jose Guadalupe’s parents are Francisco Jimenez and Petronila Martinez.

Juana’s parents are Simone Martinez and Maria Rafaela Aranda (Olivares)

Rafaela was known by both surnames   Her father also is listed by the two different surnames. 




Rick A. Ricci

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Los Gutierrez de Mendoza

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Hola Beatrice:

Gracias por tus lineas.
Es muy grato saber de ti y de tus esfuerzos y logros, te felicito
muchisimo
por todo eso, y eres inpiracion para mi en mis busquedas genealogicas.

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Saucedo, Udabe & Lopez de la Cerda of Teocaltiche, Jalisco

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Hello everyone, My name is Cynthia Saucedo & I am a descendant of Juan Zacharias Saucedo Udabe.  I see there are posts on Nuestros Ranchos that are over 10 years old from other descendants of the Saucedo, Udabe, Lopez de la Cerda family line.  If anyone researching this family line is still active on this website I would like to collaborate.  It seems there is a brick wall with the grandparents of Juan Zacharias.  I am researching the Saucedo/Udabe/de la Cerda line from Teocaltiche, Jalisco.  Christoval Saucedo married Feliciana Udabe López de la Cerda around 1711.  There is no marriage record for them.  I have not been able to find any sources with the names of Christoval Saucedo’s parents nor have I been able to find any siblings of Christoval Saucedo. The parents of Feliciana, his wife, are Isidro Udabe & Rosa Manuela Lopez de la Cerda.  There is no marriage record for them however, their children are listed as legitimate children in each of their marriage records.  I have not been

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It shows Gabriel Saucedo & Petronila Mendez as Christoval Saucedo's parents, but I have not seen any sources to support the relationship.  I've gone through all the attached sources for each of Christoval & Feliciana's children & I have not seen the name Gabriel Saucedo for Petronila Mendez mentioned in any of them.  I was hoping to find a baptismal record or marriage with either the paternal grandparent's listed or a lead for another name I could search but I have had no luck.  I descend from Juan Zacharias Saucedo & have been working on his branch of the tree as well as his sibling's branches. The records online for Teocaltiche, Jalisco appear to be incomplete during the 1600 & 1700's.  I haven't been able to find a death record for Christoval.  I have looked at the dispensa's & did not find one for Christoval & Feliciana.  I am struggling on finding sources/documents that will help me to continue researching Christoval Saucedo & Feliciana's parents and their parent's, etc.

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Greetings,

 

I am new to the site and recently began researching my grandparents (Pedo Araiza and Elena Rodriguez), both who passed before I was born.  Both migrated to the U.S. and ran a restaurant called the Texcoco Inn (Houston, TX). Found a couple of articles about them from the Sig Byrd archives (writer in Houston) but not much else of their families in Mexico. 

 

https://nuestrosranchos.org/karaiza

 

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Go to the tree below and you can start filling it in even more.  One of those border crossing cards even mentioned the restaurant EL TEXCOCO INN... added it as a source to Elena profile.....   https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:2:77TD-HR9D-T?i=1285&cc=19160…

anyway...I tied it together a little but you can go in there start tracing backwards.... you can see the potential grandparents and whatnot....go look and have fun filling in the gaps..

https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/LD5S-QTC

ps- that little chart you posted really helped in getting going...

 

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Many thanks for the information.  I did find that he worked in San Antonio at the Bismarck Cafe just across from the Alamo. The time had to be before 1918 because on the outset of WWI the owner changed the name. Thanks again.

 

Kenneth Araiza

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Hello Ken,

I looked up your grandfather’s marriage and baptismal records.  What popped out was that he is living in Texas in the same area where I did research on QB Tony Romo’s great grandmother, Bexar Texas.   Pedro’s grandparents are listed in his baptismal record.

Good luck in your research Ken,

Rick A. Ricci

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Greetings, 

My name is Shamuwel. I am a descendant of Don Lope Ruiz De Esparza. Nice to meet you all !

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Ansurez/Onsures/Unsures

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Hello Everyone,

I was hoping to find out if anyone has any variation of the aforementioned names in their family history. I have had a challenging time finding information on my mother’s side of the family beyond GG grandfather Ladislao Ansures and a GGG grandfather Ciriaco Ansures. I believe there may be a connection to a sibling Simon, and i think they ultimately resided in Chihuahua. I find the names fascinating, though! Thank you for any information or suggestions!

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Hello. Yes, those names are indeed attached to my tree on ancestry, but I haven’t been able to move beyond that.  As I stated above, I am interested in hearing if there are others with those names in their tree as the last name seems a bit unusual.  Forgive me if I wasn’t as specific as I needed to be for those reading the comment.  Thank you, and good luck in your research as well! 

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You asked for help yet you didn’t provide any information that could possibly help identify them as a spouse.   Was Ladislao married to Maria de Jesus Chavez?   Was Ciriaco married to Maria del Refugio Jimenez? Was Simon married to a woman surnamed Trujillo?


Good Luck in your research

Rick A. Ricci

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Hello everyone, I'm new to the site and would like to introduce myself.

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Welcome Daniel. IF you're stuck on specific people, you should post their names, it's possible that others are working on the same line.

Danny

Way to show 400 years of family

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   Does anyone have an easy way to show 15+ generation pedigree for relatives that are curious about from where we immigrated, but don't want to spend much time looking at it?  You know the ones, they are not into genealogy, but they are interested in the direct line all the way back to the 1500's.  Some of those pedigree charts get really small.  Is there something on multiple pages that I could lay out on a table?  Any suggestions would be appreciated.

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Relationship between Beltran de la Cueva Velasco and Ana Flores de la Torre

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Greetings to all,

I am fairly new to genealogical research, but I am trying to establish solid proof a one particular line going back 15 generations. I have been able to establish many of the generations, but I am having some trouble with a few. I have searched this site (and others) and have read many of the forums on this site, which offered great help, but have not been able to locate documentation for some generations. I only included marriage dates for the moment, but can include other information, if needed. I will follow with the generations I am trying to link and find documentation for. I also realize that some names may vary as individuals sometimes shortened or used a variation of their surnames. Below is the lineage starting with myself:

  1. Gabriel Brambila
  2. Gabriel Brambila married Francisca Mendoza 
  3. Gabriel Brambila married Sulema Garza in 1949
  4. Gabriel Brambila married Josefina Garcia y Reyna in 1908
  5. Jose Felipe Brambila married Florencia Contreras Cuevas in 1880
  6. Jose Luis Brambila
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Jose Rafael Orozco's wives

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   Has anyone found the marriage of Jose Rafael Orozco/Orosco and Maria Guadalupe Vargas/Bargas?  Most likely in San Miguel el Alto, 1810-1817.

Is the Rafael Orosco that married Maria Ignacia Martin in 1824 the same Rafael Orosco that married Maria Guadalupe Bargas?  Ma Guadalupe died in 1822.  Her son, Jose Bitor Orosco Bargas has paternal grandparents listed in his baptismal record as: 

Jose Alejo( Bargas) y Orozco and Maria de San Juan Hernandez 

The Rafael Orozco/Maria Ignacia Martin line seems to be well researched, but I have not come across mention of a Ignacia being a second wife.

Any confirmation that I am coming to the correct conclusion that these is the same Rafael Orozco would appreciated.

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just follow the tree and click on the individuals.    go take a peek.  see what you think  both wives now on marriage tree.  Guadalupe Bargas died giving birth to Jose Bitor ... record shows she died giving birth - "mal parto" (bad childbirth)   https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/landscape/GQHL-Q2S

If you look at the record for his marriage to Ygnacia it mentions that his first wife was buried at the "Iglesia de San Migule" 2 years earlier.

 

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Retonos de Espana en la Nueva Galicia by Mariano Gonzalez Leal

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   Is there a way to search this work online? 

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Although it is not searchable online, many of the families that are mentioned in it have been documented on this site and on others since Retoños' publication in 2010-2011:

This list of the surnames mentioned in Retoños was shared here before by other researchers. Review it and consider adding to your post which surname or chapter you are most interested in and perhaps I or someone else here can point you to what you're looking for. The more information you provide about your "brick wall" ancestors, the easier it is for others to help you.


1.- Aceves
2.- Alba (de)
3.- Alcalá y Mendoza
4.- Aldrete
5.- Alvarez del Castillo
6.- Alvarez-Tostado
7.- Anava
8.- Anda-Altamirano (de)
9.- Aranda
10.- Ascencio de León
11.- Azuela de San Palayo (de la)
12.- Camacho-Riquelme
13.- Camarena
14.- Carlín
15.- Casillas y Cabrera
16.- Cuéllar
17.- Chávez-Fragoso
18.- Díaz del Castillo
19.- Díaz-Infante
20.- Díaz-Varela
21.- Díaz de Sandi
22.- Enríquez del Castillo
23.- Escoto-Tovar
24.- Esquivel y Vargas
25.- Estévez y Guzmán
26.- Estrada-Bocanegra
27.- Fernández de Palos
28.- Fernández de Rueda
29.- Fernández de San Salvador
30.- Flores-Alatorre
31.- Flores de la Torre
32.- Franco de Cueva
33.- Franco de Escalante
34.- Franco de Paredes
35.- Gallegos
36.- Galván de Rojas
37.- García de Hermosillo
38.- García de León
39.- Gómez de Espejo
40.- Gómez-Hurtado de Mendoza
41.- Gómez de Portugal
42.- González del Castillo
43.- González de Hermosillo
44.- González de Laris
45.- González-Rubio
46.- González de Rubalcava
47.- González de San Román
48.- Guerra
49.- Guerra de San Román
50.- Gutiérrez de Hermosillo
51.- Gutiérrez de Laris
52.- Gutiérrez de Mendoza
53.- Gutiérrez-Rubio
54.- Gutiérrez de Velasco
55.- Helguera (de la)
56.- Hernández-Gamiño
57.- Herrera
58.- Hurtado
59.- Hurtado de Mendoza
60.- Hurtado de Mendoza y Olivares
61.- Issasi
62.- Jiménez de Castro
63.- Jiménez de Mendoza
64.- Landeros
65.- Leal de Avala
66.- Lomelín (Lomellini)
67.- López de Heredia
68.- López de Lara
69.- López de Nava
70.- López de Rivadeneyra
71.- Lozano-Isla
72.- Macháin
73.- Macías-Valadez
74.- Manzo de Zúñiga
75.- Márquez de los Olivos
76.- Martín del Campo
77.- Martín-Gallardo
78.- Martín de Sotomayor
79.- Mora-Hurtado de Mendoza (de la)
80.- Moreno de Ortega
81.- Mota-Padilla (de la) (véase Padilla-Dávila)
82.- Muñoz de la Barba
83.- Muñoz de Hermosillo
84.- Muñoz de Jerez
85.- Muñoz de Nava
86.- Murguía
87.- Navarro-Gaytán
88.- Ortiz de Parada
89.- Ortiz-Peguero
90.- Padilla-Dávila
91.- Parga y Gayosso
92.- Peña (de la)
93.- Pérez-Franco
94.- Pérez de Paredes (véase Pérez-Franco)
95.- Pérez-Sandi
96.- Portillo (del)
97.- Rábago
98.- Ramírez de Hermosillo
99.- Ramírez de Mendoza
100.- Rentería
101.- Reynosa y Rentería
102.- Rodríguez de Portugal
103.- Romero de Chávez
104.- Romo de Vivar
105.- Ruiz de Esparza
106.- Sáinez de Santiago
107.- Sánchez de Porras
108.- San Román
109.- Tavera de la Vega
110.- Tello de Orozco
111.- Torre-Ledesma (de la)
112.- Torres
113.- Valdivia
114.- Vázquez de Victoria
115.- Vázquez de Zermeño
116.- Verdín
117.- Villalobos

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More on the ancestry of Alonso de Estrada

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Hola prim@s,

This is the Ejecutoria del pleito de hidalguía filed by Licenciado Diego Hernández de Vergara, dated 12 Jul 1548: http://pares.mcu.es:80/ParesBusquedas20/catalogo/description/5703246 
Licenciado Vergara was a 1st-cousin of treasurer & governor Alonso de Estrada, according to the very detailed genealogy given by Estrada’s cousin, Mari Fernández Hidalgo, in the 1585 limpieza of Jorge de Alvarado y Villafañe: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS2D-KSYH?cat=630488 
The genealogy given in this document coincides perfectly with that genealogy. It even goes back one more generation, and names Licenciado Vergara’s (and Estrada’s) great-grandfather as Juan Alonso, vecino de Ciudad Real (who apparently received a carta ejecutoria de su hidalguía from King Pedro de Castilla). Here’s what the family tree now looks like:

1st generation: Juan Alonso cc ?

2nd generation: Diego Hernández Hidalgo cc Mari González de Estrada

3rd generation:
a. Diego Hernández Hidalgo “el Mozo” cc

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Thank you Manny for sharing as I still had my doubts.    I still have the original booklet regarding Alonso Estrada’s genealogy.   It is fragile and I am looking to donate to a library, but I haven’t decided which library.


Rick A. Ricci

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Najar Lujano in San Miguel el Alto/Arandas

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   I have hit a wall in my Najar line with Casimiro Najar Lujano.  He was born ~1810 and married Maria Petra Rodrigues in 1830 in Arandas.  His parents are Jose Angel Najar and Maria Nieves Lujano.  This is where I stop.  Any help from "cousins" or suggestions on where to look would be appreciated.  Thanks.

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Durango Researcher Javier R. Avitia

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   Does anyone know how to contact Javier R. Avitia?  He has a database of thousands of individuals from Canelas, Durango, Mexico.  I mention this here because I believe a number of you do research in Durango.  I have found his posts online , but no way of contacting him.  The post are 17-25 years old.  He did live in Los Angeles.  I have made attempts to find him with no luck.  He definitely has lines I am researching.  Please let me know how to contact him or his relations or ask him to contact me.  Thanks.          celeste@agabra.com

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" subconditione" meaning in baptismal records

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   What does this word mean in this context?

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“Under the condition” that they are not already baptized. This was done in cases in which perhaps the child was a foundling, or maybe had been given an emergency baptism after a troubled birth, or was maybe a recent convert.

Saludos,
Manny Díez Hermosillo

Jalisco and Zacatecas Ancestors

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Hello all!

I have just recently (last 6 months) started looking into my family history. All four of my grandparents came to the US from Mexico between 1916 and 1922. 

My father's paternal line is from Jalisco, mostly Lagos de Moreno and Etzatlan. I've hit a wall on his maternal side. I can't get beyond his mother's parents.

My mother's family is from Zacatecas. Her maternal line has roots in Sombrerete. But on her paternal line, I can't get beyond her grandparents. 

I have subscribed to Ancestry, which has helped in addition to Family Search. Are there digital archives from these states/cities in Mexico that we can access? Would appreciate any tips. 

Thanks!

Here is my folder: https://nuestrosranchos.org/monica_fisher

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I think that here mother's surname is Ramires.....so her name would be Macedonia Rivas Ramirez.....

I am not absolutely sure so I have not linked Maria Luisa Rivas/Arroniz.....  if you are confident then I can tie them all together....

 

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-K25R-F?view=index&personArk=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3A684K-TRBW&action=view

there is already quite a tree created if you want to look:  

https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/landscape/MTCJ-QYD

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go check it and see if I screwed anything up.   I cannot find a direct link to Francisco Arroniz parents?   Also he is named as "Jesus Arones" in the death certificate for Maria Luisa Pulido/Arronize/nee Rivas.  Anyway...take a peek and either fix what you find or tell me what I messed up so I can fix it.   https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/landscape/GLN8-LV6  

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At first glance the tree looks good.  And I really appreciate your finding Maria Luisa's death certificate. I hadn't been able to find it which I found strange considering she died in Los Angeles. Also, we never knew for sure which type of cancer she had and now we see it was ovarian.  Her father is still a mystery. Another person on Nuestros Ranchos told me Arroniz was not a common name in Jalisco/Ameca. So not even sure where he was born. Thanks again for your help.

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.....and Francisco was just the guy that brought the child in to report the birth?  Cannot find any info on Francisco so maybe he made up a name?  Should probably look for a Jesus Arronis/Arroniz (Jesus Arones on death registration) in Ameca or nearby areas.....

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Have no idea where the name Jesus came from. The few places her father's name is listed it's always Francisco.

But I did find a marriage record for Francisco Arroniz in D.F., Tacuba in 1922. It says he's 45 which squares with his being 21 when Maria Luisa was born. It lists his parents as Salvador Arroniz and Julia Yanez, originally from Ameca, Jalisco. So far I haven't been able to find any record connecting them with Francisco besides the marriage record. But I'll keep digging. 

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Have no idea where the name Jesus came from. The few places her father's name is listed it's always Francisco.

But I did find a marriage record for Francisco Arroniz in D.F., Tacuba in 1922. It says he's 45 which squares with his being 21 when Maria Luisa was born. It lists his parents as Salvador Arroniz and Julia Yanez, originally from Ameca, Jalisco. So far I haven't been able to find any record connecting them with Francisco besides the marriage record. But I'll keep digging. 

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She was an "hija natural" so there you are.  Birth was reported by Francisco Arroniz, reportedly "soltero" (single), and the father is reported as "no conocido" (unknown father--I'm staring squinty-eyed at this commend since Francisco presented the child).  The child was therefore given the Mothers surname.  She was born in 1895 not 1899

Anyway...see below and while I was at it added more references to your trees.  

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9PJ9-43H?view=index&pe…

 

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Thanks for your help, Rick. Unfortunately, I have not been able to find any birth or baptismal record for my grandmother, Maria Luisa.

I did find a death record for Macedonia Rivas in Ameca. It lists her as single, not widowed. She would have been around 39 when she had my grandmother in 1898.

And I found a Francisco Arroniz in Ameca who had a large family with his wife, Elena. He would have been 40 when my grandmother was born. So it's a definite possibility that these two are my great grandparents, but who knows. I'll keep searching in the meantime. 

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Hello Monica,

I have a possible reason as why you are stuck on your fathers maternal grandparents.   It seems that they weren’t married to each other.  A person with her name is listed on her death record as being single, and a person with his name is recorded with a wife with a different name.    His name is not a common one in Jalisco, and especially in Ameca.   I can trace both of these individuals ancestry back but before that is done it should be confirmed that these are the same people as your dads maternal grandparents.   That can be done by getting your maternal grandmother’s birth record or baptismal record and searching for clues, threads, in those records.   
Rick A. Ricci

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Marquez Ledesma in San Miguel el Alto

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   I have found a Nieves Ledesma marrying Jesus Marquez(f.Felipe Marquez/mom Susana Martin) in 1840 and having a child with Jose Ana Marquez in 1841, both in San Miguel el Alto.  I believe they are part of Jose Joaquin Gutierrez de Laris(b~1689)/Cecilia Martin line.  Is there anyway I can confirm this is the same man?  The only time Nieves is listed with Jesus and not Jose Ana is the marriage and I can find no marriage for Nieves and Jose Ana.

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Jose Ana  Marquez and Jesus Marquez Both have the same parents, Felipe Marquez and Susana Martin according to marriage and baptismal records, and they are both married to the same Maria Nieves Ledesma that is a daughter of Jose Dolores Ledesma and Petra Sanchez.   I don’t know if they are the same person but they have the same ancestry.   Jose Ana Marquez has an older brother named Jesus Marquez.

You are correct that they are parent of the “Jose Joaquin Gutierrez de Laris(b~1689)/Cecilia Martin line” as Susana Guadalupe Martin del Campo descends from them.


See:  https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/KCLW-X2L


Rick A. Ricci 

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AGN has some documents available

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Im curious if anyone knew about this. AGN seems to be digitizing their documents. The search stinks but better than nothing!

 

https://repositorio.agn.gob.mx/busqueda

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Censos Electorales Tepechitlan y Tlaltenango 1912

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Censos Electorales Tepechitlan y Tlaltenango Diario Oficial del Estado de Zacatecas 1912.

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censo-electoral-tlaltenango-1912.pdf (2.21 MB)
censo-electoral-tepechitlan-1912.pdf (3.28 MB)

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Meaning of "coates"

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Hello, I came across the word coate after a birth name. I'm not
sure if it is part of the name or a description. It is shown as
"Antonio coate mulato". I cannot tell if it is capitalized or not. Has
anyone come across this word in your research? I thought is
might be coyote, but mulato is listed right after.
Cynthia

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Avila Huizar

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Need help, can't find any info on my great grandfather or anyone before him.  I was told that my great grandfather Alfredo used his mother's maiden name Avila and Huizar - Paternal - Alfredo Avila Huizar from Jerez, Zacatecas. Anyone with info or where to look please do so.  I would greatly appreciate it. 

 

Bracamontes came out in my search

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Go to https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKMP-TG6L

Look at the top left corner to look at the page number of the image  

Image 793

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-998B-F9LV?view=index&action=view

And  then click twice on the arrow on the middle right to go to image 795    

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L98B-F9GN?view=index&action=view


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Hi,

In your very first post, you asked for help/assistance of areas to look into.  All I have are suggestions, and a little extra info on the family from border crossing slide 795. 

First,

I have no known relationships to this Avila family, which is the family (listed on border crossing slide 795) that appears in the 1930 Chihuahua, Mexico census. This family does not appear to be directly related to your Alfredo born 1903, Jerez), but may be a relation of some type.  First, both Francisco and Josefa were both born in Zacatecas (coincidence?).   They were at this location by at least 1906, as all presumed children were born in Chihuahua. The name Alfredo Avila (born 1923), Chihuahua - coincidence?) may have been named in honor of a close family member, so even though this is not your direct family, it may be a branch relation or hint to follow up on.

1930 Mexico Census - Chihuahua, Chihuahua, Mexico (Note: Both Francisco's were noted as Carpenters.  Not sure of your Alfredo's occupation, although the Juarez area, and across the boarder had several mines nearby that could likely have used Carpenters, not to mention the general area was growing rapidly.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6F49-L67?cc=1307314&wc
Household Member       Age    Relationship
Francisco Avila E      54     Jefe (Head) Born Zacatecas (Carpenter)
Josefa Macías De Avila 43 Born Zacatecas

All others in this census record were born in Chihuahua
Amalia Avila De Ramos  24
Francisco Avila           22    (Carpenter)
Elena Avila            20
Leopoldo Avila         17
Alberto Avila          14
Carlos Avila           11
Alfredo Avila           7  (mentioned in border crossing slide 795)
Oscar Ignacio Ramos     1 

2nd,

Wife Angela Cuevas was 1st married on 29 November 1919 in Tacambaro, San Jeronimo, Michoacan, Mexico to Felipe Padilla (age 20 -born ca 1899 in the parish), son of Cipriano Padilla (deceased) and Antonia Sandoval (living). Angela Cuevas was listed as age 16 (born ca 1903 in Mexico (City), but in the the parish of Tacambaro (since an infant). Angela/Felipe had at least 3 children (Jose born 1920, Amalia, born 1923, and Marina (Martha), born 1925 (all in Tacamaro). I believe they actually resided in Guanajuato. Felipe Padilla died prior to the 1927 birth of Maria Luisa Avila (daughter of Alfredo Avila and Angela Cuevas).  Finding a marriage record for Angela Cuevas/Alfredo Avila could list parentage of Alfredo.
This family appears to have resided in Juarez (Chihuahua, Mexico), Texas, and New Mexico, so perhaps a marriage record exists in these areas.

3rd,

This family does not appear to have stayed long in Jerez, Zacatecas, as there are very few records noted for the Avila/Huisar surname in this area (in this timeframe). There are many Avila/Huisar surnames further south in Colotlan, Jalisco and Huejucar, Jalisco area. This family may have been migrating toward Chihuahua, Mexico and the border, so the areas between Jerez and Chihuahua may be another place to begin looking for possible names that match your family.  In the early 1900's, travel was not fast, and it may have taken months or years for the family to arrive in the Chihuahua area.

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Jose Huizar Bañuelos and Francisca de Avila are candidates as parents of Alfredo Avila Huizar.   They for the time frame but I have not found conclusive proof.   They wrote that Alfredo H. Avila crossed with his aunt but forgot to write her name.

Rick A. Ricci

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Rick,
That lead certainly looks promising.  I find Alfredo and family listed in Juarez, Chihuahua,  El Paso, Texas, Colfax County, New Mexico,
and as far north as Colorado in one record.  Various records indicate up to 10 children. No leads through these records, although I
know there are Catholic parishes not listed on familysearch that are located in El Paso, Texas. Perhaps more info can be found in one
of these El Paso parish records. My interest is with Angela Cueva's first marriage to Felipe Padilla, as I have a number of Padilla
connections through my grandson, who married into the Zermeno family.  I believe this Felipe Padilla may have actually died in
Juarez, Chihuahua in May 1927 (of tuberculosis); but the children of Felipe and Angela were all baptized in Tacambaro, Michoacan,
the last child baptized in 1925. Did Felipe Padilla move the entire family to Juarez, only to die in 1927? Perhaps this is him, although
the civil death record is sketchy, and does not mention Angela?  
Civil Death record:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-G5HW-KD4?cc=1922462
1919 Marriage information record of Angela Cuevas (parents Apolonio Cuevas/Guadalupe Rivera and 
Felipe Padilla (parents Cipriano Padilla/Antonia Sandoval)
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-KP38-82?cc=1883388
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1)-Jose Leon de Avila [Davila] and Maria Ramona Barrios

2)-Jose Victor Nasario Avila Barrios married Eufrasia Bracamonte Aguilar

3)-Jose de Jesus Avila Bracamonte married Athanacia Chavez

4)-Francisca de Avila Chavez married Jóse Huizar Bañuelos

5)-Alfredo Huizar Avila aka Alfredo H. Avila


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Yes it does have parental information on the back of the card.   The back of the crossing the border card that you are referring to.   The front of the card says is wife’s name and the back of the card says “Alfredo Avila”traveling with “Mo” which means mother, and “Josefa Macias de Avila.   Then for nearest relative or friend that they are traveling to it says “GrMo Feliciana Medina” who is Alfredo Avila’s maternal grandmother.   And for nearest relative that have where they are coming from it says Francisco Avila who is Alfredo Avila’s father.   It looks like Francisca but it should be a “o” at the end.   To see this back of the card go to that image that you have of the border crossing and then click the right arrow twice and it will take you to this back of the card .


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