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Need help reading a name in a document

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I am having trouble reading the paternal father's first name in this Información Matrimonial record from Mexico City. Can anyone take a stab at it?

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Amoxochitl, Zacatecas

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Tengo muchos an~os investigando a mi familia de Amoxochitl, Zacatecas y no paso del 1800. Saben ustedes si antes de eso se registraban en algun otro lado?

Genealogía de Nochistlán antiguo reino de la Nueva Galicia en el siglo XVII según sus archivos parroquiales

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I finally received this copy from my local library and I will have it for a few weeks. Let me know if you would like something looked up.

Juanita

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Published by joselegaspi – Fri, 2013-02-08 21:45 | Permalink

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Hi Juanita. I'm from Nochistlan. I have known about this book. I live in Ca and only UC Berkeley library has it. Where did you get the book from?

José de Jesús Legaspi
213-247-5020
Sent from my PDA

On Nov 18, 2012, at 11:10 AM, juanitahenniger@msn.com wrote:

> I finally received this copy from my local library and I will have it for a few weeks. Let me know if you would like something looked up.
> Juanita
>

Published by katy_brecht_quesada – Tue, 2012-11-20 23:22 | Permalink

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do they have books similar to that one about the cities of jerez, tlatenango, colotlan,tepetongo, or huejucar by any chance

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You can try searching google books or Borderlands to see if there are similar books that can help you.

Juanita Henniger

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I didn't find anything Gonzales de Yslas, but there are a few listings for Gonzales de Islas. Gonzales de Islas -Joseph, Juan, Megdalena, Manuel, Matias, and Nicolas de Dios.

Lopez de Lizarde...(Lopez de Elizalde?)
Lopez de Elizalde y Aberuzza, Juan
Lopez de Elizalde y Burgeno, Leonor
Lopez de Elizalde y Agustin
Lopez de Elizalde Alcalde Ordinario Juan
Lopez de Elizalde Bachiller Juan
Lopez de Elizalde Beatriz
Lopez de Elizalde ACathalina
Lopez de Elizalde Francisco, Juan, Juan de Dios, Juan Luis, Juana, Leonor, Maria, Maria Petra de los Dolores, Maria Saviera, Mariana, Miquel, Nicolas, Presbitero Pedro, Thadeo, Ysabel

Gutierrez de Hermosillo...Francisca, Jose, Juana, Micaela, Miguel, Pedro, Salvador

Ballin....Juan, Nicolas, Ana Josepha, Bartolome, Diego, Geronimo, Juan, Susana

Gil De Sotomayor none..but there is a Vasco Gill

Mondragon...Alonso de, Angela de, Antonio de, Isabel de, Juana de, Marcos de, Nicolas de, Thomas de, Thomasa de

Lol, looks like you should have borrowed this book instead of me. Hopefully, one of these names is one of the ones you are looking for.

Juanita

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Juanita,

Lopez De Elizalde:May I have some info on Nicolas Lopez De Elizalde & also Thadeo?

Ballin:May I have some info on Bartolome Ballin?

Gonzalez De Isla:May i have some info on Magdaelena?

Mondragon?May I have some info on Thomas

Thank you so much for your assistance lol i know right I wished they had this book over at San Jose State.

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Juanita,

Lopez De Elizalde:May I have some info on Nicolas Lopez De Elizalde & also Thadeo?

Ballin:May I have some info on Bartolome Ballin?

Gonzalez De Islas:May i have some info on Magdaelena?

Mondragon?May I have some info on Thomas

Thank you so much for your assistance lol i know right I wished they had this book over at San Jose State.

Published by duranruizmartinez – Sun, 2012-11-18 19:32 | Permalink

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Rosalva Jordan

Juanita, what information do you have on the Duran family who lived in Nochistlan around El Aguacate and La Noche Buena?

Thanks.

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There are quite a few entries for the Duran Family. Not knowing what exactly you need I emailed some images to you. Please check you email. I have sent you some information. Juanita Henniger

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Juanita,

Where do I look for the email on the duran family? I wasn't sure if it comes to the website or my personal email. I haven't seen anything yet.

Thanks!

Rosalva Jordan

Published by juanitahenniger – Sat, 2012-11-24 21:16 | Permalink

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Correction: This is for Rosalva Jordan --the Duran family

Hi sorry,

I sent you an email earlier and it should have gone to your personal email. Unfortunately, i couldn't figure out a way to email the images to you. If you contact me off list (my email should be in the earlier email) I will then attach the files.

Juanita Henniger

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Attn: Juanita Henniger,

Who are you addressing this email to...you mentioned the Duran Family and that you had sent some information "to you," who is the "you," in your posting?

Thank you,
Pat Silva Corbera

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 4:34:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Search in the book

There are quite a few entries for the Duran Family. Not knowing what exactly you need I emailed some images to you. Please check you email. I have sent you some information. Juanita Henniger

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Pat,

I'm sorry I need to be more clear. I was addressing Rosalva Jordan and her Duran Family inquiry.
Juanita Henniger

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Thank you Juanita,

I have the following direct line Duran ancestors... would appreciate you checking to see if they are mentioned in your "book."

Juan Simon Duran b. abt 1604 Mexico y Regina de Aguayo parents of:

Nicolas Duran married 05 Mar 1669 El Sagrario, Aguascalientes to Francisca Ruiz de Esparza parents of:

Phelipe Duran bapt 24 Jul 1676 Nochistlan married to Maria de Cuevas parents of:

Maria Monica Duran bapt. 10 May 1724 Nochistlan married Nochistlan 22 Dec 1746 to Macario Aguayo parents of:

Maria Agustina de Aguayo bapt 20 Sep 1761 Nochistlan married Nochistlan 30 Apr 1777 to Jose Manuel Losano.

I also have the following individuals in my data base, but have not linked them directly...

Agustina Duran Duran daughter of Jose Maria Duran y Mariana Duran Olmos. Agustina married to Juan Sigala Munoz.

Dorotea Duran daughter of ? y Manuela Duran. Dorotea married to Jose Domingo Corbera

Guadalupe Maria Duran married to Longino Perez.

Precentaccion Munos Duran son of Ambrocio Macias Munos y Maria Petra Duran Munos
married to Simona Sigala Duran.

Rosalia Duran married to Jose Antonio Munos

Thank you,
Pat Silva Corbera

----- Original Message -----
From: juanitahenniger@msn.com
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Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 7:31:24 PM
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I'm sorry I need to be more clear. I was address the Duran Family.
Juanita Henniger

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Pat,

Why don't I just send you the same info I sent to Rosalva then if what you are looking for isn't included I'll do a single search. There are just some many pages listed in the index for Duran and for a even a single Duran. At a glance I see that some of your ancestors are included in the pages I sent to Rosalav. It seems you might be cousins :)

Juanita Henniger

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Juanita,

Thank you so much for offering to send the Duran /information pages.

When you say "send," would that be to my home address or as an attachment to an email?

If to my home I would be more than happy to send funds to yyou to cover the postage and printing expense, just let me know the amount.

I truly appreciate you taking the time in helping me with my Duran research!

My email address is:

patriciacorbera@comcast.net

Once again, many thanks!!
Sincerely,
Pat Silva Corbera

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Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 10:15:13 AM
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Pat,

Why don't I just send you the same info I sent to Rosalva then if what you are looking for isn't included I'll do a single search. There are just some many pages listed in the index for Duran and for a even a single Duran. At a glance I see that some of your ancestors are included in the pages I sent to Rosalav. It seems you might be cousins :)

Juanita Henniger

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Juanita,

Thank you so much...the files came through just fine...I printed them out, and now I'm going compare the information with what I have in my data file...

Once again, many, many thanks for sharing this valuable information with me.

Sincerely,
Pat Silva Corbera

----- Original Message -----
From: juanitahenniger@msn.com
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Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 2:45:40 PM
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Hi Pat,

I sent the files in to your email address.

Juanita Henniger

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Hello Pat
I also descend from Juan Ximon Duran and Regina de Aguallo. It is thru their daughter Melchora de los Reyes Duran whom married Diego de Salazar and when he died she remarried. Her second marriage to Luis de Velasco is the connection to all my Velasco family lines in Nochistlan Zacatecas. If you would like to share info send me an email thru hartparkangler@yahoo.com. I tried contacting you thru the Nuestros Ranchos link but I guess it did not reach you or it went to spam.
sincerely Saul Navarro

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Pat,

Hello. I just started researching my family history and was wondering if you have any of my relatives in your family tree. Most lived in several "municipios" of Nochistlan as well as Apozol and Jalpa. Recently I found out I may have had relatives in el Rancho de los Duranes. The following is all I have so far on the Duran side of my family.

1. Delfino Duran, born 1915 in Nochistlan, died 1960-62 in Las Taunas, Jalpa, ZA. He was the son of 2. Cruz Duran and 3. Juana Esquibel. He married Sebastiana Ruiz in Nochistlan, daughter of Martin Ruiz and Gregoria Valdez. Sebastiana, born 20 Jan 1914 in El Aguacate, Nochistlan, ZA, died 3 March 2007 in Agua Rica, Ixtlahuacan del Rio, Jalisco.

2. Cruz Duran was born in Tlachichila, Zacatecas.
3. Juana Esquibel was born in Zacatecas.

Children of Juana Esquibel and Cruz Duran are:
1. Ismael Duran, born 1912 in Zacatecas. He married Guadalupe Duran, daughter of Esmeregildo
Duran and Apolinaria. Esmeregildo Duran later married Angelita.
2. Delfino Duran (mentioned above).
3. M Soledad Duran (1930 Mexico Census lists 1915 as her estimated birth year.)
4. Maria Duran (1930 Mexico Census lists 1919 as her estimated birth year.)
5. Leandra Duran

Ismael, M Soledad and Maria Duran are listed in the 1930 Mexico Census at:

"Mexico Census, 1930," index and images, FamilySearch
(https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MPT9-X7T : accessed 18 Nov 2012), Ismael Duran in
household of Ismael Duran, El Aguacate, Nochistlán, Zacatecas, Mexico.

This is about all I have so far. I'm contacting a great aunt in Nochistlan, on Sebastiana's family line, to try to get more information. I don't know her, but recently acquired her last known phone number.

Rosalva Jordan

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Juan Simon Duran and Regina de Aguayo are my 9th Great Grandparents. Do you have any information about their parents or European origins?

Jesus Gabino Duran posted on genealogy.com back in 2003 the following,

"The surname Duran mostly came from Nochistlan Mexico; Juan Duran came to Mexico in 1526, son of Garcia Duran and Catalina Sanchez.My father made a tree starting from Juan Duran Duque, I will like to share it , and have information on how to link Juan Duran Duque( +1673) with his ancestors. Maybe I will have to trace them to Spain.
Regarding Juan Duran, I have two informations , one that he was from Badajoz (Zafra) and the other that he was from Madrid ( from the recent book from Sir Hugh Thomas
We have got together in Nochistlan were a lot of people have the surname Duran"

I have not been able to contact this person to see where exactly he sourced this information.

Do you know if there is any connection between Juan Simon Duran and Juan Duran Duque?

Thank You
Ruben Rojas Delgado

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Hello Juanita,

If you still have access to the book, and if I could add a wish list, would you be able to scan & email the pages?

Capítulo 6 Descendencia de Diego de Moscoso Sandoval y María Delgadillo o Rodríguez de Carvajal
Capítulo 79 Descendencia de Hernando de Frías
Capítulo 49 Descendencia del Capitán Juan Lozano e Inés Martínez
Capítulo 53 Descendencia de Benito o Bernardino de Ysla y Magdalena de la Besares

Gracias y saludos

Manny Diez Hermosillo
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/jrefugioghermosillo

Encontre: Historia Genealogica de las familias mas antiguas de mexico Tomo I, Ii y III.

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Primos,

Me encuentro en la biblioteca de Harvard con estos libros. Podré verlos por tres dias solamente. Alguien quiere que busque algun nombre?

Tango los siguientes en mis apuntes:

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Published by Ruben Araiza – Thu, 2014-08-07 07:35 | Permalink

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Este es el dato que em falta y donde he estado detenido por meses.
Espero que sea el mismo ya que de ese nombre se deprenden una linaje muy extenso hasta la fecha. El problema radica en que el era hijo natural de Jose Martin de ARAIZA con Catarina Piña y no se sabe si ese Jose Martin de Araiza sea el miso que oficialmente casó con Geronima Campos Teran ( o tambien Teran Campos).

Tal vez casó varias veces y todos provenimos del mismo Jose Martin de Araiza. Presumo que ese Jose Valentin nacio por 1784 ya ue su acta amtrimonial menciona que tenia 31 años en 1815. Viudo de Petra Ovalle (Obaye)..

Published by MADERA_32 – Wed, 2014-08-06 19:44 | Permalink

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Si? A ver si encuentras nombre "Antonio Madera" aproximente nacio en 1660 y fallecio antes de 1709. Estuve en Mezquitic, Jalisco, Mexico y por "Minillas" o "Rancho Palmitos" estuvo casado con "Maria De La Candelaria.

Son mis TTTTTTT Abuelos. Tuvieron un hijo: "Joseph Madera (1684 - 1734) que estuvo casado con Josepha Basquez (Velasquez?) - (Minillas), Mezquitic, Jalisco, Mexico

Luego ellos tuvieron hijo: Blas Madera que estuvo casado con Maria Theresa Abila

Published by ssales1984 – Wed, 2014-08-06 10:33 | Permalink

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Puedes ver si hay algo sobre Alvaro Sanchez de Guzman?
Vivía en el primer tercio del siglo XVII en Autlán, hoy Jalisco. Estaba casado con Francisca Corona. Todavía vivían en 1636.
El apellido de D. Alvaro sería Guzmán, pues el Sanchez es patronímco, probablemente.

Gracias y suerte!
Sergio Salés

Was there another Mexticacan near Aguascalientes?

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I'm looking at the baptism record of my ancestor Juana Sanchez from Aguascalientes, back in 1619.

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Published by R.A.Ricci (not verified) – Thu, 2014-08-07 12:39 | Permalink

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Hello Steve,

I believe that you were initially right in assuming Mexticacan, Jalisco. I had ancestors from a few families that traveled or left relations in the
Mexticacan/Nochistlan area that were originally from Aguascalientes. These families kept in touch and some moved back while some moved on to Tepatitlan/Jalostotitlan Jalisco.

R.A.Ricci

Published by Steve G. Apodaca – Sat, 2014-08-09 23:51 | Permalink

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Thanks for your reply R.A. Ricci. While having a closer look at how all these villages developed, it does make sense that it referred to Mexticacan. I read somewhere that at the beginning it was difficult to establish a settlement in Aguascalientes with newcomers, and for that reason, the Spanish crown started giving land grants to individuals already settled in other towns in the area.

Carlos de Godoy in Jerez, Zac

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Published by katy_brecht_quesada – Wed, 2014-07-09 09:16 | Permalink

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yes i'm pretty sure teresa is a daughter of catalina cid caldera(unless it turns out he married twice)

i don't know if the teresa who married pedro jose contreras is the same one who married alejandro fernandez since i can't find a marriage record for either couple.

i do know that teresa and alejandro had at least three kids together: celedonio, gertrudis, and juan. alejandro has a brother named gregorio and a sister named matiana.

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thank you for responding. Alejandro and Teresa are my 7th gr-grandparents. My problem with this being the same Teresa is the approximate date of her child with Pedro Joseph Contreras but I sure would love to solve this mystery for me! I have 5 children for Alejandro and Teresa. Felipa married to Cosme Barrios and Pedro married to Cecilia Pinedo. I have my files on Rootsweb.com.
thank you again.
Linda Castanon-Long

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yeah alejandro and teresa are ancestors of mines too. i descend from them through their son celedonio fom his first marriage. celedonio married twice first to marcela pereria(alias castaneda), and then married maria uribe.

also alejandro's parents are sebastian fernandez and cacilda lopez

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I also descend from Celedonio Fernandez through his son Agustin Fernandez and his first wife Maria Dolores Sanchez.. looks like we are family. I've also been working with Micaela Gonzales on mutual family lines.
Thank you for taking the time to respond.
Linda Castanon-Long in Olympia

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HI,

I have the same information. Theresa Carlos de Godoy (dau of Antonio Carlos and Catalina Cid Caldera de Godoy and granddaugther of Juan Carlos de godoy and Maria Rosales) was married to Pedro Joseph Contreras (I don't have the date). But what I know is that they had at least one dau Rosalia Contreras Carlos de Godoy who married Joseph de Olague. Rosalia Contreras and her husband (Joseph de Olague) had at least one dau Salvadora de Olague born in 1731 in Puesto de MOntesillos, Jerez, Zacatecas.

I hope this helps

susana

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Hi again,

I think I found her. Theresa Carlos de Godoy married Alejandro Fernandez and they had at least one child. Gertrudis Fernandez Carlos de Godoy born in 1704 in Jerez, Zacatecas. This Theresa is the dau of Antonio Carlos de Godoy and Maria Carrillo. Her grandfather was Joseph Carlos de Godoy Rosales (I don't have the name of Joseph's wife). Great grandfather was Juan Carlos de Godoy and Maria Rosales.

I hope this helps

susana

Here is a website with old maps, documents, etc from several Siglos of Colonial Mexico

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This website has an abundance of interesting old maps, documents, etc of Mexico during the different siglos.

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Published by MADERA_32 – Thu, 2014-08-07 22:44 | Permalink

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Here is also a website of a number of books about our region in Mexico during the colonial days. When you open link scroll down:

http://www.uaa.mx/direcciones/dgdv/editorial/cata_ccsh.html

As for example these two interesting books:

"El Gobierno De Frontera De San Luis Colotlan y Sus Militias En La Colonia"

"Los Altos De Jalisco Durante La Guerra De Reforma E Imperio De Maximiliano (1850 - 1870)"

http://oi58.tinypic.com/2ep7aec.jpg

Published by V.Q.C. – Thu, 2014-08-07 14:19 | Permalink

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Thanks for sharing the link to the website. The 1824 map is very detailed and has the names of many small "ranchos" too.

V.Q.C.

Published by RJQ – Thu, 2014-08-07 07:28 | Permalink

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Nice find! that map of Jalisco is quite interesting, I just corroborated one town I couldn't exactly locate before (regardless of the map not been geographically exact of course), Thank you for the link, lots of interesting old documents there! Here is another place with lots of maps, some even downloadable with free accounts in case anyone has miss it.

Old Maps

RJ Quiralte

Los Rodríguez de Frías de Nochistlán Zacatecas.

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Hola amigos, ayer envié dos veces éste mensaje y no llegó por lo cual me hizo pensar que estaba muy grande el mensaje y por eso no llegó, por lo cual lo recorté.

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anyone interested in becoming a mod of guadalajaradispensas.tumblr.com

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i realize that i don't update the blog that often and in order to update that blog more often to speeden up the progress of indexing all the dispensas collection available on familysearch, i'm interes

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Published by ssales1984 – Tue, 2014-08-05 19:20 | Permalink

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Hi Katy,

I would be interested in helping. I sent you and email with a couple additions for your blog, but don't know if you got it.

Greetings,
(Sergio) Sean Salés

Artists/Painters that traveled in Mexico and drew what they saw

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Back in the Colonial era of Mexico there were a number of artists/painters that traveled through Mexico and drew paintings. Here is a link:

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Published by SaVelez – Sun, 2014-08-03 19:50 | Permalink

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...according to the pop-up window I got when I tried to access the site you provided. I copied and pasted the site and my Chrome browser blocked it due to malware identified on the site.

The topic of your post, traveling artists of Mexico, sounds very interesting and I'll have to look into it. You may want to edit your original post, though, to prevent others from possible malware damage and problems with their computers and files due to malware on that site.

Thanks,

Sandra Velez

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For example, I took one of the names of the artists "Eugenio Landesio" and look in images "Eugenio Landesio Mexico" and a number of colonial paintings came up. Even old paintings of Haciendas! I am hoping to find old paintings of Haciendas of Zacatecas.

Here is a painting of one of the popular painters of Mexico "Jose Maria Velasco Gomez (1840 - 1912). What catches me on this one is that he is about the same generation as my great grandfather and I also wonder if he looks like my great grandfather as how my great grandfather was described to me by one of the elders of Huejuquilla.

http://oi58.tinypic.com/sdo30o.jpg

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My interest in family history comes from my engagement in the Chicano Student Movement in the late 1960's. Although born in Jalisco, Mexico, I came as a child to the United States.

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Published by juancarrillo (not verified) – Mon, 2014-08-04 01:53 | Permalink

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Juan Carrillo
Manuel Carrillo Bautista was born to Ygnacio Carrillo and Jesusita Contreras. I mistated that he was born to Cliserio Carrillo and Marta Gauna. These are his brother and sister in law.

is there and index of death records in jerez during the early and mid 1900's

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i've tried finding death records for some people on my family tree and have had no luck.

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Published by longsjourney – Mon, 2014-07-21 12:17 | Permalink

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Kathy have you tried 440991
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15671-28568-32?cc=1804458&wc…
or civil death records 2177920. The civil death record drops records after 1875 to before 1916, index is on page 693

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-22324-2056-52?cc=1916240&…

I also found this civil marriage/death records but can't find a number but here is the way in. marriages/deaths 1871-1919 with the index on this page
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-22319-20499-89?cc=1916240…
happy hunting
Linda Castanon-Long

GARCIA line in El Sagrario, Aguascalientes

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Hello fellow members,

I'm so glad to have found this group for our little area in Nueva Galicia
and have enjoyed my genealogy research for some time.

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Published by iChristopher – Wed, 2013-05-29 20:45 | Permalink

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Jorge,
 
I forgot to mention that Maria de Guadalupe Bernales is listed as hija legitima de Luis Bernal and Maria de San Juan de Santos. On the Marriage record of Luis Bernal and Maria de San Juan de Santos in Aguas Calientes on 4 Feb 1731, Luis Bernal is listed as hijo legitimo de Juan de Dios Bernal y de Yldephonsa Delgado. On some records Juan de Dios Bernal is listed as Juan de Dios Bernal Marmolexo, so Marmolexo may be his mothers name, but, I don't have that record. Yldephonsa Delgado died on 16 Mar 1748 and it lists her as viuda de Juan de Dios Bernal and hija legitima de Luis Delgado y de Theresa López de Elizalde. Luis Delgado is the son of Joseph Delgado and Francisca Gabai. On the marriage record of Francisca Gabai she is listed as hija legitima de Luis Tiscareño de Molina y de Lorenza Ruiz de Esparza. It lists Joseph Delgado's father as Diego Delgado and his mother as Juana Diaz? maybe. It's kind of hard to read. Theresa Lopez de Elizalde was
married to Luis Delgado on 4 March 1669. She is the legitimate daughter of Nicolás López de Elizalde and Regina de Alvarado. I'm not sure who their parents are.
 
Christopher de Cuellar

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From: Jorge Garcia
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 4:50 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] GARCIA line in El Sagrario, Aguascalientes

Hello fellow members,

I'm so glad to have found this group for our little area in Nueva Galicia
and have enjoyed my genealogy research for some time.  However, I've done
my best to trace back my family line on my own but have hit a discouraging
road block.  It's time to reach out for help and hopefully other's have
followed this same family line.  The references below are all from El
Sagrario, Aguascalientes.

I've researched my father's line (grandfather is GARCIA and grandmother
GONZALEZ).  However, the furthest I've reached for certain is Fernando
Fermin Garzia (born El Sagrario, Aguas, 8/25/1754 and Christened 9/15/1754,
married to MARIA ANTONIA ABAD ALONZO VERNALES DE LOS YNOJOS on 3/26/1794).
However DE LOS YNOJOS confuses me because I believe (not sure) that
FERNANDO FERMIN's father was JOSEPH MANUEL GARZIA who married MARIA
ANTONIETA ALONSO DE LOS  YNOJOS, on 4/16/1752.  Did Fermin marry a
half-sister?

Going further back, (the rest of this line back i'm not confident) JOSEPH
MANUEL GARZIA father was CARLOS GARCIA (baptized 12/1/1705) married JUAN
ARIAS (baptized 5/3/1711) on 2/5/1729. If this information is correct, the
last (stumbling block) information I have is that CARLOS's birth parents
were JOSEPH GARCIA and JOSEPHA FERNANDEZ (Ortis?).  I have no information
about dates or where Joseph and Josepha were born/married.  This has been
my dead end for MONTHS!

Any assistance or guidance (or education) would GREATLY be appreciated.
I've seen success other's have had here, but have always been reluctant.
But I have nothing to lose, but everything to gain.

Thanks again and sorry for the convoluted story!

Jorge

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Luis Tiscareño de Molina y Márquez and Lorenza Ruiz de Esparza were married
16 May 1623 in Aguascalientes. He was the son of Juan Tiscareño de Molina
and Elvira Márquez. She was the daughter of Lope Ruiz de Esparza and Anna
Francisca Gabai Navarro de Moctezuma. See the post by Bill Figueroa at
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15316

Alonso de los Hinojos is a compound surname

The parents of María Antonia Abad Alonso de los Hinojos y Vernales were
married 30 Jan 1766 in Aguas.

Film 299829
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12126-33499-41?cc=1502404&…

Her paternal grandparents Antonio Alonso de los Hinojos and Margarita López
Velarde were married 7 Feb 1734 in Teocaltiche.

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https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-19052-57017-98?cc=1874591&wc…

The parents of Antonio Alonso de los Hinojos were Pedro Alonso de los
Hinojos and Gertrudis de Chávez Fregoso. I believe Pedro was the son of
Juan Alonso de los Hinojos and Isabel Ramírez married 22 May 1652.

Juan Alonso de los Hinojos was the son of Pedro Alonso de los Hinojos and
Ana Magdalena Dominguez married 3 May 1632 in Sierra de Pinos, Zacatecas.

Pedro Alonso de los Hinojos was the son of Juan Alonso de los Hinojos and
Beatriz López del Castillo.

Nicolás López de Elizalde was the son of Juan López de Elizalde y Aberruza
and Leonor Becerra y Sánchez de Mendoza see the post by Bill Figueroa at
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15402

Saludos,
Armando
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Comment

The marriage document of Fernando Fermín García y Alonso de los Hinojos and
María Antonia Abad Alonso de los Hinojos y Vernales states that they had a
dispensa de los tres parentescos de consanguinidad en cuarto grado puro.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18564-58801-15?cc=1874591&wc…

A dispensa or dispensation is a waiver by the bishop of Guadalajara to
allow them to marry even though they were 3rd cousins through three
different lines. People related in the fourth degree (cuarto grado) are 3rd
cousins.

Siblings (share parents) is the 1st degree
Cousins (share grandparents) is the 2nd degree
2nd cousins (share ggrandparents) is the 3rd degree
3rd cousins (share gggrandparents) is the 4th degree

I searched www.guadalajaradispensas.com for all Hinojos and this dispensa
was indexed by Katy Brecht at
http://www.guadalajaradispensas.com/2012/08/1794-fhl-source-film-168088…

That shows it is on image 167 and that there is an explanation of their
genealogy on image 168.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18411-67257-24?cc=1874591&wc…

The first tree has an error. It states that Pedro Alonso married Isabel
Ramirez. It was Juan Alonso that married Isabel Ramirez 22 May 1652 in
Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco.

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https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18684-25177-12?cc=1874591&wc…

Juan Alonso and Isabel Ramirez had Pedro and Juan. Pedro married Gertrudis
de Chávez and they had Antonio Alonzo. Juan married Veronica López and they
had Manuel Alonso. This takes it to the 2nd degree.

Antonio Alonso married Dolores López and they had Joseph Alonso. Manuel
Alonso married María Bautista Martín [de Sotomayor] and they had María
Alonzo. 3rd degree.

Joseph Alonzo married María Guadalupe Bernales and they had María Antonia
Alonzo la pretenza. María Alonzo married Joseph García and they had
Fernando Garcia. 4th degree.

You'll have to do the second tree on your own I am going to jump to the
third tree.

Diego de Chávez Fragoso and Antonia de Villalobos y Vásquez de Retamosa
were married 22 Feb 1664 in Aguascalientes. See my posts in the Apolonia de
Mendoza at http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/es/node/21539 to see more info
about Antonia de Villalobos.

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https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12446-30300-45?cc=1410092&…

They had Gertrudis and Lucía (Luisa) de Chávez. 1st degree

Gertrudis married Pedro Alonso and had Antonio Alonso. Luisa de Chávez
married Andrés Martín [de Sotomayor] [8 Oct 1680 in Aguas] and had María
Bauptista Martín. 2nd degree.

You already have the info for the 3rd degree and 4th degree.

Saludos,
Armando
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Comment

Edgar Olguin Diaz

buenas noches armando

una pregunta
tienes las dispensas de Fernando Fermín García y Alonso de los Hinojos and
María Antonia Abad Alonso de los Hinojos y Vernales?

la dispensa de los tres parentescos de consanguinidad en cuarto grado puro?

me podrias pasar de favor el link de estas dispensas?

te lo agradezco mucho la atención prestada saludos

espero noticias
gracias
excelente dia

Comment

Edgar Olguin Diaz
hola armando
un cordial saludo
amigo una pregunta:
quienes son lo padres de pedro alonso de los hinojos esposo de ana magdalena dominguez?

en este comentario dices que los padres de pedro alonso de los hinojos que son
juan alonso de los hinojos y beatriz lopez del castillo .
tienes el documento donde se mencionan a esta pareja? me lo podrias pasar?
te lo agradeceria mucho
que tengas un excelente dia
saludo

Comment

Jorge and Chris,

From George Fulton's index of Aguascalientes Informacion Matrimoniales, we know that the parents of Juan de Dios Bernal were Pedro Bernal and Francisca de Marmolejo. The record can be found at: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11671-60802-23?cc=1410092&…

Many thanks George for this invaluable resource! Your hard work in creating these indexes and generosity in sharing them is greatly appreciated! (http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/18014)

Best regards
Austin Perez

Published by iChristopher – Wed, 2013-05-29 20:00 | Permalink

Comment

Hi Jorge,
 Those are my 7th great grandparents, but, I'm afraid my response is going to be equally convoluted and probably not that much help, since I dead end on Joseph Garcia and Josepha Fernandez also, although they'd probably have been born towards the end of the 17th century. This was one of my very first lines when I started last year and I was just saving records to my computer and not notating the image numbers and such. But, on the marriage record of Fernando Fermin Garcia on 3/26/1794 in Aguas Calientes, it lists him as Don Fernando Garcia, Esp. hijo de Jose Garcia y de Maria Alonso de los Ynojos, viudo de Doña Trinidad de Alba. As far as don Fernando and his father being married to half sisters, they weren't, but, I'm sure they're related somehow. Don Fernando Garcia's wife is listed as Doña Antonia Alonso de los Ynojos, Española, hija de Don Jose Alonso de los Ynojos and Doña Maria Guadalupe Bernales. Fernando's parents were married 16 April
1752 in Aguas Calientes. On the record they're listed as Jph. Manuel Garzia, Español, hijo legitimo de Carlos Garzia y de Juana Arias. Don Fernando's mother is listed as Ma Antonia Alonso de los Ynojos, Española, hija legitima de Manuel Alonso de los Ynojos y de Maria Martines de Soto Mayor. As I was looking for them on my tree after I saw your email I realized I have on another part of my tree a Manuel Alonso married to a Juana Baptista Martin de Sotomayor and I'm now wondering whether they're the same as Manuel Alonso de los Ynojos y de Maria Martines de Soto Mayor. I'll have to check further. I have them documented much farther back.
 
 
Juana Arias parents are Esteban Arias and Magdalena de los Santos. Magdalena de los Santos parents are Nicolas de los Santos and Magdalena de Chabes. Magdalena Chabes's death certificate lists her as Magdalena de Chabes, Española, viuda de Nicolas de Santos and hija legitima de Antonio de Chabes and Angelina Gomes.
 
I have more records on this line, but everything is not in it's proper place. I'll see what else I have.
 
Christopher de Cuellar
 

________________________________
From: Jorge Garcia
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 4:50 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] GARCIA line in El Sagrario, Aguascalientes

Hello fellow members,

I'm so glad to have found this group for our little area in Nueva Galicia
and have enjoyed my genealogy research for some time.  However, I've done
my best to trace back my family line on my own but have hit a discouraging
road block.  It's time to reach out for help and hopefully other's have
followed this same family line.  The references below are all from El
Sagrario, Aguascalientes.

I've researched my father's line (grandfather is GARCIA and grandmother
GONZALEZ).  However, the furthest I've reached for certain is Fernando
Fermin Garzia (born El Sagrario, Aguas, 8/25/1754 and Christened 9/15/1754,
married to MARIA ANTONIA ABAD ALONZO VERNALES DE LOS YNOJOS on 3/26/1794).
However DE LOS YNOJOS confuses me because I believe (not sure) that
FERNANDO FERMIN's father was JOSEPH MANUEL GARZIA who married MARIA
ANTONIETA ALONSO DE LOS  YNOJOS, on 4/16/1752.  Did Fermin marry a
half-sister?

Going further back, (the rest of this line back i'm not confident) JOSEPH
MANUEL GARZIA father was CARLOS GARCIA (baptized 12/1/1705) married JUAN
ARIAS (baptized 5/3/1711) on 2/5/1729. If this information is correct, the
last (stumbling block) information I have is that CARLOS's birth parents
were JOSEPH GARCIA and JOSEPHA FERNANDEZ (Ortis?).  I have no information
about dates or where Joseph and Josepha were born/married.  This has been
my dead end for MONTHS!

Any assistance or guidance (or education) would GREATLY be appreciated.
I've seen success other's have had here, but have always been reluctant.
But I have nothing to lose, but everything to gain.

Thanks again and sorry for the convoluted story!

Jorge

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