Have You Ordered This film? Old News?

Not being from Los Altos I'm not keeping up on your all's discussions. Happened upon this and was wondering if you have already ordered this film?

joseph

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Title Documentos eclesiásticos, 1772-1784

New MtDNA Results

I just received the mtDNA from the test that my father did.

Both of my maternal lineages have come back as indigenous (A and B) and both of my paternal lineages have come back as European (E3b and R1b)

Comments

Comment

If you go into the Old ranchos archives and search under mtDNA there is
a wonderful explanation that Victor wrote up a while back.

Basically, the codes listed are the differences from a standard
Mitochondrial DNA map, so they are basically the "mutations" that would
differentiate the DNA of this woman's descendants from that of other
women's descendants. Basically, finding someone whose mtDNA had the
same CRS differences likely shared the same ancestor a few or several
hundred years back... along the strictly maternal line... so this is the
DNA of my father's mother's mother's mother... etc.

FamilyTree DNA does show a match at this (low resolution) level so I am
going to contact the woman and find out what she knows about her
ancestry and where our ancestries may intersect.

-----Original Message-----
From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of
Latina1955@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 9:33 PM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] New MtDNA Results

How exciting - can you decipher what this means?

Esperanza

Comment

Arturo Ramos wrote:

>Esperanza:
>
>If you go into the Old ranchos archives and search under mtDNA there is
>a wonderful explanation that Victor wrote up a while back.
>
>Basically, the codes listed are the differences from a standard
>Mitochondrial DNA map, so they are basically the "mutations" that would
>differentiate the DNA of this woman's descendants from that of other
>women's descendants. Basically, finding someone whose mtDNA had the
>same CRS differences likely shared the same ancestor a few or several
>hundred years back... along the strictly maternal line... so this is the
>DNA of my father's mother's mother's mother... etc.
>
>FamilyTree DNA does show a match at this (low resolution) level so I am
>going to contact the woman and find out what she knows about her
>ancestry and where our ancestries may intersect.
>
I've gotten 7 matches so far. Most of them are so distant that the
connections are probably before records were being kept. (did they keep
records back 50 generations ago?) It will be a hard row to hoe to make
more than a generalized guess out of these matches. Then again if you
figure out a way of proceeding I'm wanting to try with my matches. I
send out emails from time to time becasue we are family afterall
regardless. Puts a different meaning to the word Lejano (distant)
doesn't it?

joseph

>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of
>Latina1955@aol.com
>Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 9:33 PM
>To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] New MtDNA Results
>
>How exciting - can you decipher what this means?
>
>Esperanza

Comment

Yes, I am looking for mt-dna matches. I am trying to determine what Indian triber my matrilineal line is.

My numbers are:

HVR1 HaplogroupA
HVR1 differences
from CRS16111T
16136C
16223T
16247G
16257T
16290T
16319A
16344T
16362C
16468C
16519C
HVR2 differences
from CRS64T
73G
146C
153G
235G
263G
309.1C
315.1C
522-
523-

Thanks,
--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from Erlinda Castanon-Long : --------------

> Esther, do you mean the mitrocondrila (mtdna)? Yes I did and it came back
> Haplogroup A, Native American. Did you want the numbers? I also had my mothers
> brother do the Gutierrez line that I've traced to 1650 in Chilchota Michoacan
> and the dna test came back Hapologroup N.
> Linda now in Ohio
>
> eaherold@att.net wrote:
> ERlinda,
>
> Have you done dna testing on your matrilineal line. I would like to compare my
> md-dna to yours.
> I believe my matrilineal line is Tlaxcalan and am trying to prove it. I already
> have my results. My son took the test some months back.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Esther
> --
> Esther A. Herold
>
>
> -------------- Original message from Erlinda Castanon-Long : --------------
>
>
> > Jose Humberto
> > I found this file very interesting since I've taken my maternal lines back to
> > Tlazalaca and Chilchota Michoacan during the same time period you have. I see
> > you have found them in Guadalajara before 1620 or so. I am on a month long
> > vacation across the states but will order the Tlazazalca films when I return
> to
> > Everett Washington in Dec. Like yours, my ancestors left Michoacan and went to
> > Jalisco but later than yours, mine did not leave Michoacan until late 1700's.
> My
> > Alvarez del Castillo lines have connections to some of the same surnames you
> > mention..
> > thank you for sharing them,
> > Linda from BC on her way to Ohio, Georgia and California
>
> ---------------------------------
> How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger

Comment

Esther I only did the 7 marker test since I wasn't trying to match anyone.. only determine origen.

16111T
16223T
16290T
16319A
16335G
16362C
16525A

I did have 2 match's and I did contact them, both were males who didn't know their maternal genealogy past abt 1850 just like me...
Sorry we didn't match closer...
Linda

eaherold@att.net wrote:
Yes, I am looking for mt-dna matches. I am trying to determine what Indian triber my matrilineal line is.

My numbers are:

HVR1 HaplogroupA
HVR1 differences
from CRS16111T
16136C
16223T
16247G
16257T
16290T
16319A
16344T
16362C
16468C
16519C
HVR2 differences
from CRS64T
73G
146C
153G
235G
263G
309.1C
315.1C
522-
523-

Thanks,
--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from Erlinda Castanon-Long : --------------

> Esther, do you mean the mitrocondrila (mtdna)? Yes I did and it came back
> Haplogroup A, Native American. Did you want the numbers? I also had my mothers
> brother do the Gutierrez line that I've traced to 1650 in Chilchota Michoacan
> and the dna test came back Hapologroup N.
> Linda now in Ohio
>
> eaherold@att.net wrote:
> ERlinda,
>
> Have you done dna testing on your matrilineal line. I would like to compare my
> md-dna to yours.
> I believe my matrilineal line is Tlaxcalan and am trying to prove it. I already
> have my results. My son took the test some months back.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Esther
> --
> Esther A. Herold
>
>
> -------------- Original message from Erlinda Castanon-Long : --------------
>
>
> > Jose Humberto
> > I found this file very interesting since I've taken my maternal lines back to
> > Tlazalaca and Chilchota Michoacan during the same time period you have. I see
> > you have found them in Guadalajara before 1620 or so. I am on a month long
> > vacation across the states but will order the Tlazazalca films when I return
> to
> > Everett Washington in Dec. Like yours, my ancestors left Michoacan and went to
> > Jalisco but later than yours, mine did not leave Michoacan until late 1700's.
> My
> > Alvarez del Castillo lines have connections to some of the same surnames you
> > mention..
> > thank you for sharing them,
> > Linda from BC on her way to Ohio, Georgia and California
>
> ---------------------------------
> How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates.

Comment

Here is my mtDNA results. I've had plenty of matches. Many from New Mexico. One woman there told me her family tradition was that she was of Aztec ancestry, but I have no idea what tribe my mother could have been a part of. I don't think Taruhmara, the major tribe in her area of Chihuahua. She certainly didn't show any Taruhmara influence.

I would like to know as well.

HVR1 Haplogroup B
HVR1 differences
from CRS 16183C
16189C
16217C
16483A
16519C
HVR2 differences
from CRS 73G
263G
309.1C
309.2C
315.1C
499A

---- Erlinda Castanon-Long wrote:
> Esther I only did the 7 marker test since I wasn't trying to match anyone.. only determine origen.
>
> 16111T
> 16223T
> 16290T
> 16319A
> 16335G
> 16362C
> 16525A
>
> I did have 2 match's and I did contact them, both were males who didn't know their maternal genealogy past abt 1850 just like me...
> Sorry we didn't match closer...
> Linda
>
> eaherold@att.net wrote:
> Yes, I am looking for mt-dna matches. I am trying to determine what Indian triber my matrilineal line is.
>
> My numbers are:
>
> HVR1 HaplogroupA
> HVR1 differences
> from CRS16111T
> 16136C
> 16223T
> 16247G
> 16257T
> 16290T
> 16319A
> 16344T
> 16362C
> 16468C
> 16519C
> HVR2 differences
> from CRS64T
> 73G
> 146C
> 153G
> 235G
> 263G
> 309.1C
> 315.1C
> 522-
> 523-
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
> --
> Esther A. Herold
>
>
> -------------- Original message from Erlinda Castanon-Long : --------------
>
>
> > Esther, do you mean the mitrocondrila (mtdna)? Yes I did and it came back
> > Haplogroup A, Native American. Did you want the numbers? I also had my mothers
> > brother do the Gutierrez line that I've traced to 1650 in Chilchota Michoacan
> > and the dna test came back Hapologroup N.
> > Linda now in Ohio
> >
> > eaherold@att.net wrote:
> > ERlinda,
> >
> > Have you done dna testing on your matrilineal line. I would like to compare my
> > md-dna to yours.
> > I believe my matrilineal line is Tlaxcalan and am trying to prove it. I already
> > have my results. My son took the test some months back.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Esther
> > --
> > Esther A. Herold
> >
> >
> > -------------- Original message from Erlinda Castanon-Long : --------------
> >
> >
> > > Jose Humberto
> > > I found this file very interesting since I've taken my maternal lines back to
> > > Tlazalaca and Chilchota Michoacan during the same time period you have. I see
> > > you have found them in Guadalajara before 1620 or so. I am on a month long
> > > vacation across the states but will order the Tlazazalca films when I return
> > to
> > > Everett Washington in Dec. Like yours, my ancestors left Michoacan and went to
> > > Jalisco but later than yours, mine did not leave Michoacan until late 1700's.
> > My
> > > Alvarez del Castillo lines have connections to some of the same surnames you
> > > mention..
> > > thank you for sharing them,
> > > Linda from BC on her way to Ohio, Georgia and California
> >
> > ---------------------------------
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Comment

I guess I still don't match anyone.
--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from : --------------

> Here is my mtDNA results. I've had plenty of matches. Many from New Mexico. One
> woman there told me her family tradition was that she was of Aztec ancestry, but
> I have no idea what tribe my mother could have been a part of. I don't think
> Taruhmara, the major tribe in her area of Chihuahua. She certainly didn't show
> any Taruhmara influence.
>
> I would like to know as well.
>
> HVR1 Haplogroup B
> HVR1 differences
> from CRS 16183C
> 16189C
> 16217C
> 16483A
> 16519C
> HVR2 differences
> from CRS 73G
> 263G
> 309.1C
> 309.2C
> 315.1C
> 499A
>
>
>
> ---- Erlinda Castanon-Long wrote:
> > Esther I only did the 7 marker test since I wasn't trying to match anyone..
> only determine origen.
> >
> > 16111T
> > 16223T
> > 16290T
> > 16319A
> > 16335G
> > 16362C
> > 16525A
> >
> > I did have 2 match's and I did contact them, both were males who didn't know
> their maternal genealogy past abt 1850 just like me...
> > Sorry we didn't match closer...
> > Linda
> >
> > eaherold@att.net wrote:
> > Yes, I am looking for mt-dna matches. I am trying to determine what Indian
> triber my matrilineal line is.
> >
> > My numbers are:
> >
> > HVR1 HaplogroupA
> > HVR1 differences
> > from CRS16111T
> > 16136C
> > 16223T
> > 16247G
> > 16257T
> > 16290T
> > 16319A
> > 16344T
> > 16362C
> > 16468C
> > 16519C
> > HVR2 differences
> > from CRS64T
> > 73G
> > 146C
> > 153G
> > 235G
> > 263G
> > 309.1C
> > 315.1C
> > 522-
> > 523-
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > --
> > Esther A. Herold
> >
> >
> > -------------- Original message from Erlinda Castanon-Long : --------------
> >
> >
> > > Esther, do you mean the mitrocondrila (mtdna)? Yes I did and it came back
> > > Haplogroup A, Native American. Did you want the numbers? I also had my
> mothers
> > > brother do the Gutierrez line that I've traced to 1650 in Chilchota
> Michoacan
> > > and the dna test came back Hapologroup N.
> > > Linda now in Ohio
> > >
> > > eaherold@att.net wrote:
> > > ERlinda,
> > >
> > > Have you done dna testing on your matrilineal line. I would like to compare
> my
> > > md-dna to yours.
> > > I believe my matrilineal line is Tlaxcalan and am trying to prove it. I
> already
> > > have my results. My son took the test some months back.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Esther
> > > --
> > > Esther A. Herold
> > >
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message from Erlinda Castanon-Long : --------------
> > >
> > >
> > > > Jose Humberto
> > > > I found this file very interesting since I've taken my maternal lines back
> to
> > > > Tlazalaca and Chilchota Michoacan during the same time period you have. I
> see
> > > > you have found them in Guadalajara before 1620 or so. I am on a month long
> > > > vacation across the states but will order the Tlazazalca films when I
> return
> > > to
> > > > Everett Washington in Dec. Like yours, my ancestors left Michoacan and
> went to
> > > > Jalisco but later than yours, mine did not leave Michoacan until late
> 1700's.
> > > My
> > > > Alvarez del Castillo lines have connections to some of the same surnames
> you
> > > > mention..
> > > > thank you for sharing them,
> > > > Linda from BC on her way to Ohio, Georgia and California
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------
> > > How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger

Microfilm Collections - Special Collections at UTEP

http://libraryweb.utep.edu/special/microfilm.cfm

Yolanda,

the link above is for a list of microfilm sets available at the UTEP. Which set in particular are you interested in?

Comments

Comment

Wow Emilie, there sure are quite a bit of films I noticed that they even have films from Durango, and many for the Chihuahua, newspapers archives. I need to find a person at UTEP that has a good grasp of what the films contain and where they are located. I saw many Ayuntamiento films on the list. What a huge playground and what's great is that you can copy a page from a film and download it to a flash stick, for free. Thanks again for the heads up!
Yolanda

Comment

You are welcome, Yolanda, but you still didn't tell me what in particular you are looking for in those films. The reason I ask is that you have helped me before (remember when you went to the library and looked up my husband's grandfather's immigration form?). I wondered what areas of Mexico you are looking for, and if they are the same as mine, I might ask if you could look up some things for me too. I go every few years to El Paso and the Mesilla Valley to visit relatives and do research at the public and university libraries there, and next time I go, I'd like you to show me around the films, etc. Maybe we could have lunch, etc.

I did have a contact at the UTEP library, she was the acting head there, but she transferred to the University of New Mexico in Albuquerque. She gave me two numbers, but no names, at UTEP to ask for specific help before I go to that library: Microfilms Dept. (915) 747-5681 and Special Collections 747-5697. Good luck. I hope you find someone that is helpful. When I went to the University Library in Las Cruces, I was intimidated by the restrictions at their Special Collections (they deal with original manuscripts and you have to check all your belongings and wear white gloves) but then the head lady found out we had common ancestors, so she instructed her staff to microfilm anything I wanted. I came out of there with whole books copied, etc.)

Emilie
----- Original Message -----
From: Yolanda Bobby Perez
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 2:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Microfilm Collections - Special Collectionsat UTEP

Wow Emilie, there sure are quite a bit of films I noticed that they even have films from Durango, and many for the Chihuahua, newspapers archives. I need to find a person at UTEP that has a good grasp of what the films contain and where they are located. I saw many Ayuntamiento films on the list. What a huge playground and what's great is that you can copy a page from a film and download it to a flash stick, for free. Thanks again for the heads up!
Yolanda

Comment

Emilie
I would love to do lunch, you just let me know and I will be ready. The public Library downtown has been closed for the last year due to new construction. It is scheduled to open some time towards the end of Oct. Quien sabe???? ver es creer...We just discovered another treasure at the UTEP special collection dept on the 6th floor. Maybe this time we will have more luck in doing lookups for the ranchos members. There is another huge set of boxes full of documents of the 1940s of people who wanted to go to Mexico for a visit or business. I will take my list of names again and see what happens. As for the people I am researching they are from Chihuahua, Chihuahua, Longinos Bugarini or Bugarin whose entire family lived in Zacatecas for generations. H was born around 1868 in Tlaljomulco, Guadalajara, Jalisco. He became a lawyer and practiced law in Chih. around the early 1900s to about 1915. He remarried after his first wife died, he married Basilia Anchondo of Chih.
Emilie, If you go to the photos section in ranchos you will see him. He is my suegras father, my husband's grandfather. I wrote a poem about her and I might send it in to ranchos, it's entitled "La China", it's about Dona Sofia Bugarini de Perez, a dynamo of a lady.
Anyhow the other people I am looking for are from Camargo, Chih. also known as Santa Rosalia de Camargo. The surnames are Medina, Saavedra, Saenz and Baltazar. The other place is Mapimi Durango, where the Saavedras/Balthazar came from. Are any of these areas in your family? Let me know how I can help
Yolanda

Help with immigration records

Hi All
Can anyone direct me on where to go for immigratiopn records? I am fortunate enough to have the date and year that my grandparents and two children crossed into the United States at El Paso. I am sure this could be the key to some new info.

Comments

Comment

John,

Go to your nearest FHC and do a Library Catalog search under El PASO. Under the subjects you will see an entry for IMMIGRATION. Press on Immigration and do a look for DETAILS. You will see a list of FILM #s. Go to the year you areinterested in. Then rent it.

Esther

PS. DO you know of any Diego Robles in Cuencame in 1598? I think he may be my ancestor.

AyalaRobles
--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from john robles : --------------

> Hi All
> Can anyone direct me on where to go for immigratiopn records? I am fortunate
> enough to have the date and year that my grandparents and two children crossed
> into the United States at El Paso. I am sure this could be the key to some new
> info.
> Thanks!
> John Robles

Cuento de la Hacienda de la Yegua Rusa

Corinne,

There is a story on GeneaNet about how the surname Martin del Campo de la Hacienda de la Yegua Rusa came to be. A baby boy was left at the doorstep of the Hacienda, and his name was Martin del Campo.

Comments

Comment

Corinne,
About 3 weeks ago I heard about this story from a reunion of people from Teocaltitan de Guadalupe (AKA Tecua), Jalisco. The reunion was in Sacramento and Tecua is a small town near Jalostotitlan, Jalisco, Mexico.

What is Geneanet and how do I access this story?

Thanks,
Maria Elena Uhlenburg-Gutierrez

Emilie Garcia wrote:
Corinne,

There is a story on GeneaNet about how the surname Martin del Campo de la Hacienda de la Yegua Rusa came to be. A baby boy was left at the doorstep of the Hacienda, and his name was Martin del Campo.

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ----

A Geographical Breakthrough!

I had to post this and share it with you all because I am so thrilled! No one had been able to find any information on the Hacienda de Los Campos, Aguascalientes where my grandmother was born. I searched and searched under all configurations, and FINALLY when switching from Yahoo's engine to Google's, I found an oral history narrated by an elderly man from El Molino, municipality of Asientos, Aguascalientes. In his narrative he tells how his pueblo of El Molino was once part of La Hacienda De Los Campos! He said that the Hacienda once had huge holdings of land in a place in the northeast that was disputed by three states but which became part of Aguascalientes (Asientos). He said that in the middle of the century there was muich rain which eventually destroyed the hacienda (or the lands - my Spanish translation is so-so on this because he seems to ranmble a bit) and one of the vestiges that was left was the water powered mill with which the hacendados made wheat flour, so

Comments

Comment

Claro que si! Of course!

john robles escribió: I had to post this and share it with you all because I am so thrilled! No one had been able to find any information on the Hacienda de Los Campos, Aguascalientes where my grandmother was born. I searched and searched under all configurations, and FINALLY when switching from Yahoo's engine to Google's, I found an oral history narrated by an elderly man from El Molino, municipality of Asientos, Aguascalientes. In his narrative he tells how his pueblo of El Molino was once part of La Hacienda De Los Campos! He said that the Hacienda once had huge holdings of land in a place in the northeast that was disputed by three states but which became part of Aguascalientes (Asientos). He said that in the middle of the century there was muich rain which eventually destroyed the hacienda (or the lands - my Spanish translation is so-so on this because he seems to ranmble a bit) and one of the vestiges that was left was the water powered mill
with which the hacendados made wheat flour, so
the pueblo became known as El Molino. The oterh payoff from this is that while looking at the names of haciendas in Asientos, I found Ojo de Agua de Rosales, my grandfather's birthplace! This makes Asientos my 'family home' so to speak. Another breakthrough...do you all feel as elated as I do when you make an exciting find like this??
John

Comment

Alicia and John,

I enjoyed reading your messages very much. They brought back those feelings
of elation when I have made a new discovery in my ongoing search for my
ancestors.

I wanted to share a search engine that I sometimes use: http://dogpile.com/
Dogpile uses several search engines to perform its searches (including
Google, Yahoo, MSN). I thought of it when I read about how John switched to
a different search engine and found the answer he had been searching for.

Alicia when I read your story about not finding the birth record for your
father-in-law I remembered having the same problem with my paternal
grandfather's baptismal record. Everyone I had talked to about where he was
born and baptized (including my father and several of my Tias) assured me my
grandfather had been baptized in Ixtlahuacan del Rio. I found his siblings
baptismal records on the microfilm, but not my grandfather's. I take prints
on direct line ancestors and write down the data on collateral lines and go
through every film slowly, so I knew I hadn't missed it. When I got through
the entire roll of film where he should've been found something clicked in
my mind and told me to order the film for Guadalajara. Since it's a big
city, there are several churches there, but my intuition told me to check a
specific parrish. With nothing more than a hunch, I went through the film
and found his baptismal record there! My father was incredulous when I told
him where I had found it, but seeing the record in print convinced him. To
this day, I don't know what made me so sure I would find my grandfather's
record on the Guadalajara film, but I was not the least bit surprised when I
found it on that film.

Maria

> Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:10:29 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Alicia Carrillo
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] A Geographical Breakthrough!
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
> Message-ID: <20060928051029.52834.qmail@web83012.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> John,
>
> Thank you for sharing that breakthrough!! I feel very happy for you and
> yes we have all been there. It begins with a small whisper somewhere in our
> subconcious and before we know it we start to put a voice to that small
> whisper that asks many questions and has few answers. We begin putting
> together the stories and legends we've heard from our relatives.
>
> Some of us feel it as a hunger to know where we came from and why are we
> here. In my case I was born in Mexico and was brought to the US at 2 years
> of age as an undocumented alien as some would now call us. As relatives
> would arrive my parents would say this is your tio or tia....Oooh so many
> tias and tios that I would ask why or how is it my aunt or uncle. Some were
> clearly aunts and uncles but most I could not see the connection and was
> told, "No seas tan preguntona" "Don't be so nosy" as if that would satisfy
> my curiosity.
>
> The years went by, I married a third cousin that I did not know was my
> cousin. We had our children, they married anglos and I felt a sense of loss
> and detachment from my culture. Something kept pulling me back to my
> ancestors and I answered the call. Mostly I wanted to know something about
> my father-in-law's family as my husband never knew anything about his
> paternal relations.
>
> In January of 2004 I announced to my family that I was gifting myself a
> trip to Salt Lake as a birthday gift, to begin my genealogical research in
> earnest. When In Salt Lake, I found the birth record of my father-in-law's
> brother, Julian Carrillo Jauregui. I know the earth stopped spinning for a
> fraction of a second in jubilation for this the first of many great finds.
> To date I still have not found a birth or baptism record for my
> father-in-law Antonio Carrillo Jauregui who was believed to have been born
> around 1901 in Nochistlan, Zacatecas. This has not dampened my spirit, on
> the contrary, it's what keeps me going. It's like a drug, each find compells
> you to keep digging and sends you off into new areas of research.
>
> John Robles, I wish you continued success in your research and know that
> this is just the first of many breakthroughs. Now you can do the happy dance
> as most of us have done.
>
> Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo
> San Jose, Calif
>
>
>
> I had to post this and share it with you all because I am so thrilled! No
> one had been able to find any information on the Hacienda de Los Campos,
> Aguascalientes where my grandmother was born. I searched and searched under
> all configurations, and FINALLY when switching from Yahoo's engine to
> Google's, I found an oral history narrated by an elderly man from El Molino,
> municipality of Asientos, Aguascalientes. In his narrative he tells how his
> pueblo of El Molino was once part of La Hacienda De Los Campos! He said that
> the Hacienda once had huge holdings of land in a place in the northeast that
> was disputed by three states but which became part of Aguascalientes
> (Asientos). He said that in the middle of the century there was muich rain
> which eventually destroyed the hacienda (or the lands - my Spanish
> translation is so-so on this because he seems to ranmble a bit) and one of
> the vestiges that was left was the water powered mill with which the
> hacendados made wheat flour, so
> the pueblo became known as El Molino. The oterh payoff from this is that
> while looking at the names of haciendas in Asientos, I found Ojo de Agua de
> Rosales, my grandfather's birthplace! This makes Asientos my 'family home'
> so to speak. Another breakthrough...do you all feel as elated as I do when
> you make an exciting find like this??
> John

Comment

To All That Share...
Thank you for sharing your 'touching,' stories of finding your ancestors. I
too had a very similiar situation, on two occasions... it's a feeling of
being given a 'special gift.' I no longer try to explain the why or what
made it happen, but simply accept these remarkable 'finds,' as a sign that
my ancestors are guiding my way, though some continue to play 'hide and
seek'. Many thanks to all...
Pat Silva Corbera
Tracy CA

Comment

Nice note...I like to think that on some level, the spiritual essence of our ancestors are aware that we are trying to find them and are happy knowing that they are not forgotten. Sometimes I like to imagine I hear them whispering a word, a clue to lead me to the next find...this is all very romanticized I am sure but it makes me feel good!!
John Robles

papagaia2 wrote:
To All That Share...
Thank you for sharing your 'touching,' stories of finding your ancestors. I
too had a very similiar situation, on two occasions... it's a feeling of
being given a 'special gift.' I no longer try to explain the why or what
made it happen, but simply accept these remarkable 'finds,' as a sign that
my ancestors are guiding my way, though some continue to play 'hide and
seek'. Many thanks to all...
Pat Silva Corbera
Tracy CA

Comment

John and Pat,
Only people who do genealogy would understand that feeling of finding ancestors under the guidance of the "Muse's." I've collected records that only had a name in common to have that whisper in my heart that tells me to go back and review what I already have. I even woke out of a dead sleep because I heard a name in my head and had to get up and check the records, sure enough it opened the door I was looking for.. I once mentioned to this group that I'd found records from Jalisco that were incorrect on the IGI in that they read they were born in the Carribean when in fact it was San Vicente, district of Tamazula Jalisco.. I couldn't remember the name of the person who's record said that since it wasn't my family.. 2 nights later I awoke to the name Osceguera in my head.. I got up and put it in the computer, and found it was the grandmother of the child who's birth was said to be in the Carribean. It might be just a fluke but I think we don't do this work alone...
Somosprimos had an unknown quote that each generation someone is picked to remember the ancestors, to paraphrase it... this generation its those of us in this group...

Linda C.

john robles wrote:
Nice note...I like to think that on some level, the spiritual essence of our ancestors are aware that we are trying to find them and are happy knowing that they are not forgotten. Sometimes I like to imagine I hear them whispering a word, a clue to lead me to the next find...this is all very romanticized I am sure but it makes me feel good!!
John Robles

papagaia2
wrote:
To All That Share...
Thank you for sharing your 'touching,' stories of finding your ancestors. I
too had a very similiar situation, on two occasions... it's a feeling of
being given a 'special gift.' I no longer try to explain the why or what
made it happen, but simply accept these remarkable 'finds,' as a sign that
my ancestors are guiding my way, though some continue to play 'hide and
seek'. Many thanks to all...
Pat Silva Corbera
Tracy CA

Comment

Linda,

You have expressed my feelings exactly! I mentioned to Lymann Platt at the
FHC in Salt Lake City once about the "dreams and events" that happen to me
and he told me that it is all directly tied in to our ancestors.......that
"they" do "select" someone to continue searching for "them"......believe me,
I certainly felt better after it was explained to me! I have had these
"things" happen to me for several years and for a while I thought I was
"losing it" because I was so obsessed with my genealogy! I never told
anyone about all this...... except for one cousin who was also into
genealogy because I knew he would understand......then I read the books by
Henry Z. Jones, "Psychic Roots" and "More Psychic Roots" and I now
understand that this does happen to other people!

It is indeed a wonderful feeling to know that our ancestors are helping us
by "opening doors".......and only people who do genealogy will understand
this feeling!

Thanks Linda for reminding me of how great I feel when this happens!

Josie in San Antonio

-----Original Message-----
From: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Erlinda
Castanon-Long
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 10:22 AM
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] A Geographical Breakthrough!

John and Pat,
Only people who do genealogy would understand that feeling of finding
ancestors under the guidance of the "Muse's." I've collected records that
only had a name in common to have that whisper in my heart that tells me to
go back and review what I already have. I even woke out of a dead sleep
because I heard a name in my head and had to get up and check the records,
sure enough it opened the door I was looking for.. I once mentioned to this
group that I'd found records from Jalisco that were incorrect on the IGI in
that they read they were born in the Carribean when in fact it was San
Vicente, district of Tamazula Jalisco.. I couldn't remember the name of the
person who's record said that since it wasn't my family.. 2 nights later I
awoke to the name Osceguera in my head.. I got up and put it in the
computer, and found it was the grandmother of the child who's birth was said
to be in the Carribean. It might be just a fluke but I think we don't do
this work alone...
Somosprimos had an unknown quote that each generation someone is picked to
remember the ancestors, to paraphrase it... this generation its those of us
in this group...

Linda C.

john robles wrote:
Nice note...I like to think that on some level, the spiritual essence of
our ancestors are aware that we are trying to find them and are happy
knowing that they are not forgotten. Sometimes I like to imagine I hear them
whispering a word, a clue to lead me to the next find...this is all very
romanticized I am sure but it makes me feel good!!
John Robles

papagaia2
wrote:
To All That Share...
Thank you for sharing your 'touching,' stories of finding your ancestors. I
too had a very similiar situation, on two occasions... it's a feeling of
being given a 'special gift.' I no longer try to explain the why or what
made it happen, but simply accept these remarkable 'finds,' as a sign that
my ancestors are guiding my way, though some continue to play 'hide and
seek'. Many thanks to all...
Pat Silva Corbera
Tracy CA

Comment

I'd read his books some years ago and kept rereading them because I
loved them. I had the pleasure of meeting Mr. Jones at a genealogy
conference in Hutchinson, Kansas, in 2005. I had bought a lot of
things there that day but didn't have enough money to buy his two
books. He told me to go ahead and take them and send him the money!
Wasn't that kind of him? I sent him a check within the week...then he
sent it back because I forgot to sign it! I promptly signed and
returned it...how kind of him. Marge, who has been "chosen" by
ancestors to "bring them back to life" for future generations. :)
On Sep 30, 2006, at 2:06 PM, Josie T. Trevino wrote:

> Linda,
>
> You have expressed my feelings exactly! I mentioned to Lymann Platt
> at the
> FHC in Salt Lake City once about the "dreams and events" that happen
> to me
> and he told me that it is all directly tied in to our
> ancestors.......that
> "they" do "select" someone to continue searching for
> "them"......believe me,
> I certainly felt better after it was explained to me! I have had these
> "things" happen to me for several years and for a while I thought I was
> "losing it" because I was so obsessed with my genealogy! I never told
> anyone about all this...... except for one cousin who was also into
> genealogy because I knew he would understand......then I read the
> books by
> Henry Z. Jones, "Psychic Roots" and "More Psychic Roots" and I now
> understand that this does happen to other people!
>
> It is indeed a wonderful feeling to know that our ancestors are
> helping us
> by "opening doors".......and only people who do genealogy will
> understand
> this feeling!
>
> Thanks Linda for reminding me of how great I feel when this happens!
>
> Josie in San Antonio
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> [mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Erlinda
> Castanon-Long
> Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 10:22 AM
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] A Geographical Breakthrough!
>
> John and Pat,
> Only people who do genealogy would understand that feeling of finding
> ancestors under the guidance of the "Muse's." I've collected records
> that
> only had a name in common to have that whisper in my heart that tells
> me to
> go back and review what I already have. I even woke out of a dead
> sleep
> because I heard a name in my head and had to get up and check the
> records,
> sure enough it opened the door I was looking for.. I once mentioned
> to this
> group that I'd found records from Jalisco that were incorrect on the
> IGI in
> that they read they were born in the Carribean when in fact it was San
> Vicente, district of Tamazula Jalisco.. I couldn't remember the name
> of the
> person who's record said that since it wasn't my family.. 2 nights
> later I
> awoke to the name Osceguera in my head.. I got up and put it in the
> computer, and found it was the grandmother of the child who's birth
> was said
> to be in the Carribean. It might be just a fluke but I think we don't
> do
> this work alone...
> Somosprimos had an unknown quote that each generation someone is
> picked to
> remember the ancestors, to paraphrase it... this generation its those
> of us
> in this group...
>
> Linda C.
>
> john robles wrote:
> Nice note...I like to think that on some level, the spiritual
> essence of
> our ancestors are aware that we are trying to find them and are happy
> knowing that they are not forgotten. Sometimes I like to imagine I
> hear them
> whispering a word, a clue to lead me to the next find...this is all
> very
> romanticized I am sure but it makes me feel good!!
> John Robles
>
> papagaia2
> wrote:
> To All That Share...
> Thank you for sharing your 'touching,' stories of finding your
> ancestors. I
> too had a very similiar situation, on two occasions... it's a feeling
> of
> being given a 'special gift.' I no longer try to explain the why or
> what
> made it happen, but simply accept these remarkable 'finds,' as a sign
> that
> my ancestors are guiding my way, though some continue to play 'hide and
> seek'. Many thanks to all...
> Pat Silva Corbera
> Tracy CA
>
>

Comment

Marge......I may also have the pleasure of meeting Henry Z. Jones in
November here in San Antonio! I just found out he will be the keynote
speaker at a genealogy conference to be held here on Nov. 4th and I am
planning on going......I am looking forward to hearing him speak and hope he
might have written a new book.....Isn't it great to be one of the
"chosen"........? Wish me luck on finding a "special" ancestor that keeps
hiding from me somewhere in Zacatecas.....I will be in SLC next week and
plan to focus on finding him! He keeps slipping through my fingertips!
:-)

Josie in San Antonio

-----Original Message-----
From: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of M. Vallazza
Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 11:49 AM
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] A Geographical Breakthrough!

I'd read his books some years ago and kept rereading them because I loved
them. I had the pleasure of meeting Mr. Jones at a genealogy conference in
Hutchinson, Kansas, in 2005. I had bought a lot of things there that day
but didn't have enough money to buy his two books. He told me to go ahead
and take them and send him the money!
Wasn't that kind of him? I sent him a check within the week...then he sent
it back because I forgot to sign it! I promptly signed and returned
it...how kind of him. Marge, who has been "chosen" by ancestors to "bring
them back to life" for future generations. :) On Sep 30, 2006, at 2:06 PM,
Josie T. Trevino wrote:

> Linda,
>
> You have expressed my feelings exactly! I mentioned to Lymann Platt
> at the FHC in Salt Lake City once about the "dreams and events" that
> happen to me and he told me that it is all directly tied in to our
> ancestors.......that "they" do "select" someone to continue searching
> for "them"......

Comment

Hi Josie, Please fill me in on what's going on in SA on Nov. 4. Thanks, ABB

--- josiett3@satx.rr.com wrote:

From: "Josie T. Trevino"
To:
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] A Geographical Breakthrough!
Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 21:26:28 -0500

Marge......I may also have the pleasure of meeting Henry Z. Jones in
November here in San Antonio! I just found out he will be the keynote
speaker at a genealogy conference to be held here on Nov. 4th and I am
planning on going......I am looking forward to hearing him speak and hope he
might have written a new book.....Isn't it great to be one of the
"chosen"........? Wish me luck on finding a "special" ancestor that keeps
hiding from me somewhere in Zacatecas.....I will be in SLC next week and
plan to focus on finding him! He keeps slipping through my fingertips!
:-)

Josie in San Antonio

-----Original Message-----
From: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of M. Vallazza
Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 11:49 AM
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] A Geographical Breakthrough!

I'd read his books some years ago and kept rereading them because I loved
them. I had the pleasure of meeting Mr. Jones at a genealogy conference in
Hutchinson, Kansas, in 2005. I had bought a lot of things there that day
but didn't have enough money to buy his two books. He told me to go ahead
and take them and send him the money!
Wasn't that kind of him? I sent him a check within the week...then he sent
it back because I forgot to sign it! I promptly signed and returned
it...how kind of him. Marge, who has been "chosen" by ancestors to "bring
them back to life" for future generations. :) On Sep 30, 2006, at 2:06 PM,
Josie T. Trevino wrote:

> Linda,
>
> You have expressed my feelings exactly! I mentioned to Lymann Platt
> at the FHC in Salt Lake City once about the "dreams and events" that
> happen to me and he told me that it is all directly tied in to our
> ancestors.......that "they" do "select" someone to continue searching
> for "them"......

Comment

Hi Alice!

Nice to hear from you again! The San Antonio Genealogical Assoc. (or
Society) is hosting a genealogical seminar (or conference) at the Marriott
downtown on Nov. 4th. I obtained the info from my local FHC on Midcrown St.
where they have little leaflets making the info available to the public.
You can visit the website at:

http://genealogyblog.com/seminars-genealogy-education/hank-jones-to-spe…
-san-antonio-5512

Let me know if you are interested and if you plan to go.......perhaps we can
meet up, ok?

Thanks!

Josie in SA

-----Original Message-----
From: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of AliceBB
Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 9:40 PM
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] A Geographical Breakthrough!

Hi Josie, Please fill me in on what's going on in SA on Nov. 4. Thanks,
ABB

--- josiett3@satx.rr.com wrote:

From: "Josie T. Trevino"
To:
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] A Geographical Breakthrough!
Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 21:26:28 -0500

Marge......I may also have the pleasure of meeting Henry Z. Jones in
November here in San Antonio! I just found out he will be the keynote
speaker at a genealogy conference to be held here on Nov. 4th and I am
planning on going......I am looking forward to hearing him speak and hope he
might have written a new book.....Isn't it great to be one of the
"chosen"........? Wish me luck on finding a "special" ancestor that keeps
hiding from me somewhere in Zacatecas.....I will be in SLC next week and
plan to focus on finding him! He keeps slipping through my fingertips!
:-)

Josie in San Antonio

Comment

Best of luck, Josie!!!! He's really a nice man...and his talks are
very interesting. And you are so lucky to be going to SLC next week.
Let's hope we both find our elusive ancestors from Zacatecas.:)
Marge:)
On Oct 1, 2006, at 9:26 PM, Josie T. Trevino wrote:

> Marge......I may also have the pleasure of meeting Henry Z. Jones in
> November here in San Antonio! I just found out he will be the keynote
> speaker at a genealogy conference to be held here on Nov. 4th and I am
> planning on going......I am looking forward to hearing him speak and
> hope he
> might have written a new book.....Isn't it great to be one of the
> "chosen"........? Wish me luck on finding a "special" ancestor that
> keeps
> hiding from me somewhere in Zacatecas.....I will be in SLC next week
> and
> plan to focus on finding him! He keeps slipping through my fingertips!
> :-)
>
> Josie in San Antonio
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> [mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of M.
> Vallazza
> Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 11:49 AM
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] A Geographical Breakthrough!
>
> I'd read his books some years ago and kept rereading them because I
> loved
> them. I had the pleasure of meeting Mr. Jones at a genealogy
> conference in
> Hutchinson, Kansas, in 2005. I had bought a lot of things there that
> day
> but didn't have enough money to buy his two books. He told me to go
> ahead
> and take them and send him the money!
> Wasn't that kind of him? I sent him a check within the week...then he
> sent
> it back because I forgot to sign it! I promptly signed and returned
> it...how kind of him. Marge, who has been "chosen" by ancestors to
> "bring
> them back to life" for future generations. :) On Sep 30, 2006, at
> 2:06 PM,
> Josie T. Trevino wrote:
>
>> Linda,
>>
>> You have expressed my feelings exactly! I mentioned to Lymann Platt
>> at the FHC in Salt Lake City once about the "dreams and events" that
>> happen to me and he told me that it is all directly tied in to our
>> ancestors.......that "they" do "select" someone to continue searching
>> for "them"......
>
>

Comment

Josie

Funny you should mention Henry Z Jones, Jr. I have his book "Psychic Roots, Serendipity and Intuition in Genealogy". A signed copy by Hank himself. It was published in 1993, I worked with a women who was friends with his sister I believe. It's a very good book.

Rose
Fresno,CA

Comment

Josie,

The link below is not working. FYI.
--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from "Josie T. Trevino" : --------------

> Hi Alice!
>
> Nice to hear from you again! The San Antonio Genealogical Assoc. (or
> Society) is hosting a genealogical seminar (or conference) at the Marriott
> downtown on Nov. 4th. I obtained the info from my local FHC on Midcrown St.
> where they have little leaflets making the info available to the public.
> You can visit the website at:
>
>
> http://genealogyblog.com/seminars-genealogy-education/hank-jones-to-spe…
> -san-antonio-5512
>
> Let me know if you are interested and if you plan to go.......perhaps we can
> meet up, ok?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Josie in SA
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> [mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of AliceBB
> Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 9:40 PM
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] A Geographical Breakthrough!
>
> Hi Josie, Please fill me in on what's going on in SA on Nov. 4. Thanks,
> ABB
>
> --- josiett3@satx.rr.com wrote:
>
> From: "Josie T. Trevino"
> To:
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] A Geographical Breakthrough!
> Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 21:26:28 -0500
>
> Marge......I may also have the pleasure of meeting Henry Z. Jones in
> November here in San Antonio! I just found out he will be the keynote
> speaker at a genealogy conference to be held here on Nov. 4th and I am
> planning on going......I am looking forward to hearing him speak and hope he
> might have written a new book.....Isn't it great to be one of the
> "chosen"........? Wish me luck on finding a "special" ancestor that keeps
> hiding from me somewhere in Zacatecas.....I will be in SLC next week and
> plan to focus on finding him! He keeps slipping through my fingertips!
> :-)
>
> Josie in San Antonio
>
>
>

Comment

Hi Esther!

I have not forgotten about you! I am getting ready to leave for the next
couple of weeks but when I return around Oct 19th I will work on the GEDCOM
I promised you.....thanks for being patient with me!

Sorry about the link I sent previously.....what I did was Google "San
Antonio Genealogical" and got the website below:

http://www.rootsweb.com/~txsaghs2/

Then I clicked on the info for Henry Z. Jones and got the website I sent out
previously......try the new link.....if not, just go through Google......

Thanks for letting me know it did not work!

Josie in San Antonio

-----Original Message-----
From: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of
eaherold@att.net
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 9:58 AM
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] A Geographical Breakthrough!

Josie,

The link below is not working. FYI.
--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from "Josie T. Trevino"
: --------------

> Hi Alice!
>
> Nice to hear from you again! The San Antonio Genealogical Assoc. (or
> Society) is hosting a genealogical seminar (or conference) at the
> Marriott downtown on Nov. 4th. I obtained the info from my local FHC on
Midcrown St.
> where they have little leaflets making the info available to the public.
> You can visit the website at:
>
>
> http://genealogyblog.com/seminars-genealogy-education/hank-jones-to-sp
> eak-in
> -san-antonio-5512
>
> Let me know if you are interested and if you plan to go.......perhaps
> we can meet up, ok?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Josie in SA
>
>
>

Comment

Yes, Rose......his two books are wonderful! I am looking forward to meeting
him in person next month.....Good luck in your genealogy searches!

Josie in San Antonio

-----Original Message-----
From: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Rose Hardy
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 8:18 AM
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] A Geographical

Josie

Funny you should mention Henry Z Jones, Jr. I have his book "Psychic Roots,
Serendipity and Intuition in Genealogy". A signed copy by Hank himself. It
was published in 1993, I worked with a women who was friends with his sister
I believe. It's a very good book.

Rose
Fresno,CA

Comment

I just found out about the event below......wish I had known
earlier.....could have arranged to be in Salt Lake a couple of days earlier
to include this in my trip! Oh well, maybe NEXT YEAR!

Josie in San Antonio

---------------------------------------------------------
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---------------------------------------------------------

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Comment

Josie,

Thanks for the link!
--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from "Josie T. Trevino" : --------------

> Hi Esther!
>
> I have not forgotten about you! I am getting ready to leave for the next
> couple of weeks but when I return around Oct 19th I will work on the GEDCOM
> I promised you.....thanks for being patient with me!
>
> Sorry about the link I sent previously.....what I did was Google "San
> Antonio Genealogical" and got the website below:
>
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~txsaghs2/
>
> Then I clicked on the info for Henry Z. Jones and got the website I sent out
> previously......try the new link.....if not, just go through Google......
>
> Thanks for letting me know it did not work!
>
> Josie in San Antonio
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> [mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of
> eaherold@att.net
> Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 9:58 AM
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] A Geographical Breakthrough!
>
> Josie,
>
> The link below is not working. FYI.
> --
> Esther A. Herold
>
>
> -------------- Original message from "Josie T. Trevino"
> : --------------
>
>
> > Hi Alice!
> >
> > Nice to hear from you again! The San Antonio Genealogical Assoc. (or
> > Society) is hosting a genealogical seminar (or conference) at the
> > Marriott downtown on Nov. 4th. I obtained the info from my local FHC on
> Midcrown St.
> > where they have little leaflets making the info available to the public.
> > You can visit the website at:
> >
> >
> > http://genealogyblog.com/seminars-genealogy-education/hank-jones-to-sp
> > eak-in
> > -san-antonio-5512
> >
> > Let me know if you are interested and if you plan to go.......perhaps
> > we can meet up, ok?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Josie in SA
> >
> >
> >
>
>

Comment

John,

Thank you for sharing that breakthrough!! I feel very happy for you and yes we have all been there. It begins with a small whisper somewhere in our subconcious and before we know it we start to put a voice to that small whisper that asks many questions and has few answers. We begin putting together the stories and legends we've heard from our relatives.

Some of us feel it as a hunger to know where we came from and why are we here. In my case I was born in Mexico and was brought to the US at 2 years of age as an undocumented alien as some would now call us. As relatives would arrive my parents would say this is your tio or tia....Oooh so many tias and tios that I would ask why or how is it my aunt or uncle. Some were clearly aunts and uncles but most I could not see the connection and was told, "No seas tan preguntona" "Don't be so nosy" as if that would satisfy my curiosity.

The years went by, I married a third cousin that I did not know was my cousin. We had our children, they married anglos and I felt a sense of loss and detachment from my culture. Something kept pulling me back to my ancestors and I answered the call. Mostly I wanted to know something about my father-in-law's family as my husband never knew anything about his paternal relations.

In January of 2004 I announced to my family that I was gifting myself a trip to Salt Lake as a birthday gift, to begin my genealogical research in earnest. When In Salt Lake, I found the birth record of my father-in-law's brother, Julian Carrillo Jauregui. I know the earth stopped spinning for a fraction of a second in jubilation for this the first of many great finds. To date I still have not found a birth or baptism record for my father-in-law Antonio Carrillo Jauregui who was believed to have been born around 1901 in Nochistlan, Zacatecas. This has not dampened my spirit, on the contrary, it's what keeps me going. It's like a drug, each find compells you to keep digging and sends you off into new areas of research.

John Robles, I wish you continued success in your research and know that this is just the first of many breakthroughs. Now you can do the happy dance as most of us have done.

Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo
San Jose, Calif

I had to post this and share it with you all because I am so thrilled! No one had been able to find any information on the Hacienda de Los Campos, Aguascalientes where my grandmother was born. I searched and searched under all configurations, and FINALLY when switching from Yahoo's engine to Google's, I found an oral history narrated by an elderly man from El Molino, municipality of Asientos, Aguascalientes. In his narrative he tells how his pueblo of El Molino was once part of La Hacienda De Los Campos! He said that the Hacienda once had huge holdings of land in a place in the northeast that was disputed by three states but which became part of Aguascalientes (Asientos). He said that in the middle of the century there was muich rain which eventually destroyed the hacienda (or the lands - my Spanish translation is so-so on this because he seems to ranmble a bit) and one of the vestiges that was left was the water powered mill with which the hacendados made wheat flour, so
the pueblo became known as El Molino. The oterh payoff from this is that while looking at the names of haciendas in Asientos, I found Ojo de Agua de Rosales, my grandfather's birthplace! This makes Asientos my 'family home' so to speak. Another breakthrough...do you all feel as elated as I do when you make an exciting find like this??
John

Comment

Thanks Alicia for that wonderful letter, it is inspiring!

Alicia Carrillo wrote: John,

Thank you for sharing that breakthrough!! I feel very happy for you and yes we have all been there. It begins with a small whisper somewhere in our subconcious and before we know it we start to put a voice to that small whisper that asks many questions and has few answers. We begin putting together the stories and legends we've heard from our relatives.

Some of us feel it as a hunger to know where we came from and why are we here. In my case I was born in Mexico and was brought to the US at 2 years of age as an undocumented alien as some would now call us. As relatives would arrive my parents would say this is your tio or tia....Oooh so many tias and tios that I would ask why or how is it my aunt or uncle. Some were clearly aunts and uncles but most I could not see the connection and was told, "No seas tan preguntona" "Don't be so nosy" as if that would satisfy my curiosity.

The years went by, I married a third cousin that I did not know was my cousin. We had our children, they married anglos and I felt a sense of loss and detachment from my culture. Something kept pulling me back to my ancestors and I answered the call. Mostly I wanted to know something about my father-in-law's family as my husband never knew anything about his paternal relations.

In January of 2004 I announced to my family that I was gifting myself a trip to Salt Lake as a birthday gift, to begin my genealogical research in earnest. When In Salt Lake, I found the birth record of my father-in-law's brother, Julian Carrillo Jauregui. I know the earth stopped spinning for a fraction of a second in jubilation for this the first of many great finds. To date I still have not found a birth or baptism record for my father-in-law Antonio Carrillo Jauregui who was believed to have been born around 1901 in Nochistlan, Zacatecas. This has not dampened my spirit, on the contrary, it's what keeps me going. It's like a drug, each find compells you to keep digging and sends you off into new areas of research.

John Robles, I wish you continued success in your research and know that this is just the first of many breakthroughs. Now you can do the happy dance as most of us have done.

Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo
San Jose, Calif

I had to post this and share it with you all because I am so thrilled! No one had been able to find any information on the Hacienda de Los Campos, Aguascalientes where my grandmother was born. I searched and searched under all configurations, and FINALLY when switching from Yahoo's engine to Google's, I found an oral history narrated by an elderly man from El Molino, municipality of Asientos, Aguascalientes. In his narrative he tells how his pueblo of El Molino was once part of La Hacienda De Los Campos! He said that the Hacienda once had huge holdings of land in a place in the northeast that was disputed by three states but which became part of Aguascalientes (Asientos). He said that in the middle of the century there was muich rain which eventually destroyed the hacienda (or the lands - my Spanish translation is so-so on this because he seems to ranmble a bit) and one of the vestiges that was left was the water powered mill with which the hacendados made wheat flour, so
the pueblo became known as El Molino. The oterh payoff from this is that while looking at the names of haciendas in Asientos, I found Ojo de Agua de Rosales, my grandfather's birthplace! This makes Asientos my 'family home' so to speak. Another breakthrough...do you all feel as elated as I do when you make an exciting find like this??
John

Poems and Cuentos

I was checking out the Poems and Cuentos in the files and thought of asking
if anyone had ever heard of the story from Jalisco about "hijo de la yegua
rusa," which means son of a russian mare. Anyways, my mother regrets not

Comments

Comment

Corrine,

please please please do get her to record it. and ask if its okay for me
to use it for the Cuentos and Poetry section of the
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com podcast project. I'd love to have her
read for the podcast. wonderful idea.

The invitation is extended to all members of the group. Get your poetry,
stories, oral history together and I'll record you and upload the
finished product on the podcast project. Imagine, you'll be famous!!!

joseph

Corrine Ardoin wrote:

>I was checking out the Poems and Cuentos in the files and thought of asking
>if anyone had ever heard of the story from Jalisco about "hijo de la yegua
>rusa," which means son of a russian mare. Anyways, my mother regrets not
>paying any attention to her aunt telling the story to my sister, both of
>whom are now deceased. Another of my mom's aunts is still living, so we
>hope to get the story from her and record it.
>
>Corrine Ardoin
>

Ancestor report for Zenaida Orozco Moreno

Hola a todos:

En mi folder de archivos podrán encontrar un reporte de los ancestros de mi
bisabuela Zenaida Orozco Moreno. (14 generaciones)

Archivos --- Archivos de Genealogia de Miembros --- Jose Humberto Suarez

Comments

Comment

Jose Humberto
I found this file very interesting since I've taken my maternal lines back to Tlazalaca and Chilchota Michoacan during the same time period you have. I see you have found them in Guadalajara before 1620 or so. I am on a month long vacation across the states but will order the Tlazazalca films when I return to Everett Washington in Dec. Like yours, my ancestors left Michoacan and went to Jalisco but later than yours, mine did not leave Michoacan until late 1700's. My Alvarez del Castillo lines have connections to some of the same surnames you mention..
thank you for sharing them,
Linda from BC on her way to Ohio, Georgia and California

ps.. we went through Salt Lake today, autumn is in full bloom and the weather was mid 70's, have a great time there finding elusive records..

Jose Humberto Suarez Villarreal wrote:
Hola a todos:

En mi folder de archivos podrán encontrar un reporte de los ancestros de mi
bisabuela Zenaida Orozco Moreno. (14 generaciones)

Archivos --- Archivos de Genealogia de Miembros --- Jose Humberto Suarez
Villarreal ------------------------- Ancestros de Zenaida Orozco Moreno /
Zenaida Orozco Moreno´s Ancestors

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/filemanager/active?fid=1263

Saludos
Jose Humberto
---------------------------------
Hello everyone:

In my file folder you will find an ancestor report for my great-grandmother
Zenaida Orozco Moreno (14 generations)

Files --- Members´ Genealogy --- Jose Humberto Suarez Villarreal
----------------------------------------------------Ancestros de Zenaida
Orozco Moreno / Zenaida Orozco Moreno´s Ancestors

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/filemanager/active?fid=1263

Best Regards
Jose Humberto

Comment

ERlinda,

Have you done dna testing on your matrilineal line. I would like to compare my md-dna to yours.
I believe my matrilineal line is Tlaxcalan and am trying to prove it. I already have my results. My son took the test some months back.

Thanks,

Esther
--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from Erlinda Castanon-Long : --------------

> Jose Humberto
> I found this file very interesting since I've taken my maternal lines back to
> Tlazalaca and Chilchota Michoacan during the same time period you have. I see
> you have found them in Guadalajara before 1620 or so. I am on a month long
> vacation across the states but will order the Tlazazalca films when I return to
> Everett Washington in Dec. Like yours, my ancestors left Michoacan and went to
> Jalisco but later than yours, mine did not leave Michoacan until late 1700's. My
> Alvarez del Castillo lines have connections to some of the same surnames you
> mention..
> thank you for sharing them,
> Linda from BC on her way to Ohio, Georgia and California
>
> ps.. we went through Salt Lake today, autumn is in full bloom and the weather
> was mid 70's, have a great time there finding elusive records..
>
> Jose Humberto Suarez Villarreal wrote:
> Hola a todos:
>
> En mi folder de archivos podr

Comment

Esther, do you mean the mitrocondrila (mtdna)? Yes I did and it came back Haplogroup A, Native American. Did you want the numbers? I also had my mothers brother do the Gutierrez line that I've traced to 1650 in Chilchota Michoacan and the dna test came back Hapologroup N.
Linda now in Ohio

eaherold@att.net wrote:
ERlinda,

Have you done dna testing on your matrilineal line. I would like to compare my md-dna to yours.
I believe my matrilineal line is Tlaxcalan and am trying to prove it. I already have my results. My son took the test some months back.

Thanks,

Esther
--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from Erlinda Castanon-Long : --------------

> Jose Humberto
> I found this file very interesting since I've taken my maternal lines back to
> Tlazalaca and Chilchota Michoacan during the same time period you have. I see
> you have found them in Guadalajara before 1620 or so. I am on a month long
> vacation across the states but will order the Tlazazalca films when I return to
> Everett Washington in Dec. Like yours, my ancestors left Michoacan and went to
> Jalisco but later than yours, mine did not leave Michoacan until late 1700's. My
> Alvarez del Castillo lines have connections to some of the same surnames you
> mention..
> thank you for sharing them,
> Linda from BC on her way to Ohio, Georgia and California

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Martin Del Campo/Romero/De La Torre & Photos

I am still waiting to get my scanner fixed before I can upload a wonderful
wedding photo of my grandmother and her two sisters and other photos, as
well. I am also still trying to find out the connection to my Martin Del

document on Aguascalientes Hacienda Uploaded

Hello all
Ihave uploaded the document about the Hacienda de los Campos to my folder
in the "members genealogies". It is under my name, John Robles, or you can get there via http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15063. The name of the file is 'History - La Hacienda de los Campos' and is a narrative that tells about the pueblo of El Molino and how it was once part of La Hacienda de los Campos. This was a major discovery for me, because the Hacienda no longer appears anywhere, not even in the ex-Haciendas list.

Comments

Comment

What IS the Ex-haciendas list and how can I find it? I have ancestors
who owned haciendas and I'd like to know where they were, too! Thanks.
Marge:)
On Sep 29, 2006, at 8:01 AM, john robles wrote:

> This was a major discovery for me, because the Hacienda no longer
> appears anywhere, not even in the ex-Haciendas list.
> Thanks
> John

Comment

I believe the Ex-haciendas list is on the site, but I found it by searching on haciendas de aguascalientes and exhaciendas de aguascalientes. If I can find the link again I will send it to you. It is a list of the ex-haciendas of Aguascalientes.
John

"M. Vallazza" wrote:

What IS the Ex-haciendas list and how can I find it? I have ancestors
who owned haciendas and I'd like to know where they were, too! Thanks.
Marge:)
On Sep 29, 2006, at 8:01 AM, john robles wrote:

> This was a major discovery for me, because the Hacienda no longer
> appears anywhere, not even in the ex-Haciendas list.
> Thanks
> John

Comment

Here is the link!
http://www.aguascalientes.gob.mx/idiomas/ingles/history/exhaciendas/
John

"M. Vallazza" wrote:

What IS the Ex-haciendas list and how can I find it? I have ancestors
who owned haciendas and I'd like to know where they were, too! Thanks.
Marge:)
On Sep 29, 2006, at 8:01 AM, john robles wrote:

> This was a major discovery for me, because the Hacienda no longer
> appears anywhere, not even in the ex-Haciendas list.
> Thanks
> John

Comment

John.......this website is AWESOME!!! Thanks for sharing! Josie in San
Antonio

-----Original Message-----
From: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of john robles
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 8:06 AM
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Exhaciendas de Aguascalientes link for Marge

Here is the link!
http://www.aguascalientes.gob.mx/idiomas/ingles/history/exhaciendas/
John

"M. Vallazza" wrote:

What IS the Ex-haciendas list and how can I find it? I have ancestors who
owned haciendas and I'd like to know where they were, too! Thanks.
Marge:)
On Sep 29, 2006, at 8:01 AM, john robles wrote:

Breakthrough

Reading of breakthroughs, reminds me of finding the name of my grandmother's
twin sister and the correct year of her birth. For as long as I can
remember, my grandmother, Concepción Martínez Tisnado de Monreal, had

Romero/De La Torre

Hi, Everyone:

I am trying to see if there is a connection between my family and the
Romero's/De La Torre's of Tepatitlan de Morelos. My Martin Del Campo
ancestors were from there and my great-aunt Rosario Martin Del Campo married

Comments

Comment

Hi Corrine,

Did you upload the wedding photo? If you did, I can't find it. I
would like to see it. Have you found any connections between the
Romero/de la Torre's of Tepatitlan and your family?

Linda

romero89@earthlink.net

> Researching: Romero, Hallstead/Halstead, Davis, Hamm, Capwell,
> Buell, Beltz, Chandler, Burgess, Hitchcock, de la Torre, Hotchkiss,
> Moore, Nichol/Nichols, Phelps, Scott, Sherwood, Trowbridge, Barba,
> Brewster, Fisher, Foulkes
>

On Sep 8, 2006, at 4:52 PM, research-
request@lists.nuestrosranchos.org wrote:

> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 22:00:40 -0700
> From: "Corrine Ardoin"
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Romero/De La Torre
> To:
> Message-ID: <20060908050044.5BB3113B9D3@randymail-mx2.dreamhost.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Hi, Everyone:
>
> I am trying to see if there is a connection between my family and the
> Romero's/De La Torre's of Tepatitlan de Morelos. My Martin Del Campo
> ancestors were from there and my great-aunt Rosario Martin Del
> Campo married
> a Romero before she immigrated to the United States. I have an old
> photo of
> the wedding party I plan on uploading (or is the correct word
> downloading?)
> that includes herself with her sister, my grandmother, Magdalena,
> to her
> right, and her other sister, Maria Luisa on her left. Behind each
> of them,
> stands their escorts and I'm wondering if the man behind Rosario is
> the man
> she married. Must be, but I am not sure. If it is, then that is a
> picture
> of the Romero she married. She must have married him pretty
> young. It had
> to have been taken in the very early 1920's. When I get my scanner
> fixed I
> will be able to get that photo online for others to see.
>
> Corrine Ardoin
>

Films in IGI

Does anyone know why a film would have a batch number but no associated film # or dates for the film on the IGI?

Any help would be appreciated. I have copied below an example for Asientos, Aguascalientes, Mexico that has the batch # but not the film# or dates.

Comments

Comment

Hi, Alicia,

I think those batches without accompanying film numbers is due to the fact that the transcriber didn't finish the job, and their supervisors didn't review their entries. I used to see some people in our other library (the one they closed) doing transcriptions for the index, and some were very good at it, and others had trouble. I see many examples like yours in my searches too. Maybe Jonathan in Utah can find out what happened on your specific example?

Emilie
----- Original Message -----
From: Alicia Carrillo
To: Ranchos ; Jonathan
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 12:14 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Films in IGI

Does anyone know why a film would have a batch number but no associated film # or dates for the film on the IGI?

Any help would be appreciated. I have copied below an example for Asientos, Aguascalientes, Mexico that has the batch # but not the film# or dates.

Alicia Carrillo
San Jose, Calif

PAULA
Female

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 26 FEB 1884 Nuestra Senora De Belen, Asientos, Aguascalientes, Mexico

Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: PABLO LUEVANO Family
Mother: LEOCADIA SAUCEDO

Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

C646205

Comment

Thanks Emilie,

It's not film of anyone related to me. I've been loading data from the IGI for Aguascalientes into the films section of Nuestros Ranchos and this is one I could not file because it's incomplete, although you can access it through the batch number.

Alicia

----- Original Message ----
From: Emilie Garcia
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 12:54:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Films in IGI

Hi, Alicia,

I think those batches without accompanying film numbers is due to the fact that the transcriber didn't finish the job, and their supervisors didn't review their entries. I used to see some people in our other library (the one they closed) doing transcriptions for the index, and some were very good at it, and others had trouble. I see many examples like yours in my searches too. Maybe Jonathan in Utah can find out what happened on your specific example?

Emilie

Comment on my genealogy file

John Robles asked where I am located and that he knew a Martin Del Campo.
That made me realize I did not elaborate on my genealogy just where I fit
in. The Martin Del Campo line is my mother's mother's paternal line. My

Los Onate - soc sec

THe most I had to present besides the cash was a death certificate of the person I was looking for.
My great uncle's soc sec # was on his death certificate so I knew what social security # to request the

Cap. Diego Robles 1598 Cuencame

Speaking of the Robles family, does anyone know anything about a Cap.Diego Robles in CUencame. He is supposedly credited with the finding of Parras,Coahuila in 1598. He was from Cuencame.

I ask because I am desended from the Robles family from Parras, General Cepeda, and Monclova. I am blocked and struggling to make a connection to him.

A Geographical Breakthrough

Thank you John, you are so right... Pat

Message: 6
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 19:47:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: john robles
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] A Geographical Breakthrough!

Rivas in San Pedro de Gallo

I am looking for Antonio Manual Rivas born about 1725 in San Pedro de Gallo, Zacatecas.
I can't find any film for the town at that time period. I have been looking for information on the town to see

Comments

Comment

Is this your same Antonio de Riva(s)?

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/taro/utlac/00083/00083p1-P.html

It appears that San Pedro de Gallo was part of the bishphoric of
Durango during this time. It looks to have been more a predisio than
an actual town in the early 1700s... It appears to have been part of
the partido de Nazas, previously known as Cinco Senores. The town did
not have a church until 1787, so there would be no parrish in which to
record his baptism in the town in 1721.

http://www.e-local.gob.mx/work/templates/enciclo/durango/mpios/10030a.h…

1742, 28 de marzo:
Don Juan Baptista de Leizaola: Testamiento sobre preguntas que
serán expresadas a José de Bargas y a Nicolás de Manjares; Capitán don
Antonio de la Riva, San Antonio del Río de las Nazas, Arroyo de
Naicha, capitán don Sebastián Núñez, don Juan Andrés de Aldas, Aguage,
Llanos de la Yerbabuena, Santiaquillo, Santo Domingo. Juan Baptista de
Leizaola a Francisco José de Leizaola a Ygnacio del Horno. (San Pedro
del Galló).
1742, 8 de abril:
Don Antonio de la Riva: Auto; San Antonio de Cuencame, José de
Bargas, Nicolás de Minjares, San Pedro del Gallo, don Juan Baptista de
Leizaola. Antonio de la Riva a Juan Antonio de Castro y a Augustín de
Zepeda. (Hacienda de San Antonio del Río de las Nazas).
José de Bargas: Declaración de José de Vargas; don Juan Baptista
de Leizaola, Tierras de Neicha, capitán don Sebastián Núñez, don Juan
Andrés de Aldas, Yerbabuena. Antonio de la Riva a Juan Antonio de
Castro a Augustín de Zepeda. (Hacienda de San Antonio de Río de las
Nazas).
Antonio de la Riva: Auto; Santo Domingo Casco, Arroyo de Neicha,
Santiaquillo, Encinillas, El Potrero de Corral. Juan Antonio de Castro
a Augustín de Zepeda.
Nicolás de Minjares: Declaración de Nicolás de Minjares; capitán
don Juan Baptista de Leizaola, Bernardo de Gamdia?, capitán don
Sebastián Núñez, Tierras de Neicha, San Pedro del Gallo, don Juan
Andrés de Aldas, Arroyo de Naicha, Santiaquillo, Casco, Santo Domingo.
Antonio de la Riva a Juan Antonio de Castro a Augustín de Zepeda.
(Hacienda de S. Antonio de Nazas).
1742, 11 de abril:
Don Antonio de la Riva: Certificación del teniente; San Pedro del
Gallo, don Juan Andrés de Aldas, Cerro de Yerbabuena, Arroyo de
Neicha, Santiaquillo, Encinillas, Casco, Santo Domingo, don Juan
Baptista de Leizaola, Antonio de la Riva a Juan Antonio de Castro a
Augustín de Zepeda. (Hacienda de San Antonio de Río de las Nazas).

Comment

Even Cinco Senores/Nazas has no baptisms before 1726. There are death
records for earlier years which means that the archives were destroyed
or perhaps (if you are lucky) not available for filming when LDS went
to film. It is worth investigating with the parrish in Nazas.

Title Registros parroquiales, 1694-1962
Authors Iglesia Católica. Santa Ana (Nazas, Durango) (Main Author)

Bautismos vol. 1 - 14 1726-1833 FHL INTL Film 1563158
Matrimonios vol. 20 - 25 1898-1933 Defunciones vol. s/n 1694-1755
(Cuencamé) vol. 1 - 12 1760-1887 FHL INTL Film 1563297

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Arturo,

Thanks so very much, I have been blocked on this line for so long. I am not sure that Antonio was a captain but that seems logical if he was living in a presidio. I did see a rank attached to him in Galeana. The information I had was from his marriage record. His parents were not listed on the marriage record. This was his wife's second marriage and this record listed the parents of his wife's first husband's parents instead. It also listed his wife's parents.

Where did you find the attached record? I have too look for protocols in Galeana, Nuevo Leon which is were he died. He started having children in 1755 so I guestimated he was born about 1720 or so. His wife was born in 1728 in Charcas, SLP. They married in Galeana.

Thanks again.

--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from "Arturo Ramos" : --------------

> Is this your same Antonio de Riva(s)?
>
> http://www.lib.utexas.edu/taro/utlac/00083/00083p1-P.html
>
> It appears that San Pedro de Gallo was part of the bishphoric of
> Durango during this time. It looks to have been more a predisio than
> an actual town in the early 1700s... It appears to have been part of
> the partido de Nazas, previously known as Cinco Senores. The town did
> not have a church until 1787, so there would be no parrish in which to
> record his baptism in the town in 1721.
>
> http://www.e-local.gob.mx/work/templates/enciclo/durango/mpios/10030a.h…
>
> 1742, 28 de marzo:
> Don Juan Baptista de Leizaola: Testamiento sobre
> preguntas que
> ser

Genealogy file uploaded

I just wanted to let you know that I uploaded a file in the Member's
Genealogy of my Martin Del Campo ancestry. I tried to, at first, keep it to
what I have proven thus far in documentation, but I hope to be able to add

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Hi Corrine
Where are you located? I have a former coworker named Luis Martin del Campo, I am sure he fits in there someplace...
John

Corrine Ardoin wrote:
I just wanted to let you know that I uploaded a file in the Member's
Genealogy of my Martin Del Campo ancestry. I tried to, at first, keep it to
what I have proven thus far in documentation, but I hope to be able to add
to it soon. On the IGI, I have found what may be more people to add to my
chart, but I still need to check into that for myself. I hope others find
what I have provided helpful and informative for their own research.

Corrine Ardoin

Happy Dance, Happy Dance!

I just have to share this, especially with you John Robles, since you are new to Mexican searches:

For the six years that I have been using the IGI on FamilySearch.com, I have been looking and looking for my husband's great-great grandmother who I found listed on her marriage certificate as "Antonia Ornelas". I have found her ancestors clear back to the early 1700s. Her parents were listed only as "Ramona Ornelas" (hija natural de) in her marriage record and in some of the baptisms of her children. Even though her mother Ramona appears to have been married at the time to a Gregorio Gonzales, and the children of that marriage born before and after Antonia have both parents listed in their baptismal records, I could never find Antonia. She has been listed in other records variously as "Ma. Antonia Ornelas" or "Antonia Gonzales" or "Antonia de Leon" (don't know how the de Leon ties in).

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Isn't it amazing how you can sit down to do a few minutes work on your genealogy and it turns into several hours???

Emilie Garcia wrote: I just have to share this, especially with you John Robles, since you are new to Mexican searches:

For the six years that I have been using the IGI on FamilySearch.com, I have been looking and looking for my husband's great-great grandmother who I found listed on her marriage certificate as "Antonia Ornelas". I have found her ancestors clear back to the early 1700s. Her parents were listed only as "Ramona Ornelas" (hija natural de) in her marriage record and in some of the baptisms of her children. Even though her mother Ramona appears to have been married at the time to a Gregorio Gonzales, and the children of that marriage born before and after Antonia have both parents listed in their baptismal records, I could never find Antonia. She has been listed in other records variously as "Ma. Antonia Ornelas" or "Antonia Gonzales" or "Antonia de Leon" (don't know how the de Leon ties in).

SO, for some reason today the Muse told me, "Look for Antonia again", and though I was not in the mood, and I have house and yard work to do, I sat down at the computer and for some reason just typed in "Maria Antonia" in the first name field and "Mexico" in the Country field, then when it said "more than 25" I clicked on "refine" to enter the state name (Jalisco), then I started thumbing through thousands of "Maria" entries (it did not pick up the Antonia), refined it further to the date range that I thought Antonia might have been born in (1825, +/- 2 yrs, then 1830, etc.).

I kept telling the Muse, what is this going to get me, I probably won't even get Encarnacion de Diaz to come up since the listings for Jalisco are enormously long and the cities are not arranged alphabetically but in batches (more on that later) and the FamilySearch will only access 5000 names at a time, and if what you are looking for is not in the first 5000, you cannot get more records to download. BUT, I just kept at it, and after viewing a few thousand Marias, the Muse said, "See that?" Yes, I saw it---HORNELAS!!! Not knowing old Spanish, I never thought to look for Hornelas instead of Ornelas. That Hornelas wasn't Antonia, but it gave me the clue that some priests wrote Ornelas with an "H".

NEXT, I did a new search by entering just Hornelas in the surname field, then refining it to Jalisco, and voila! it brought up only a few Hornelas, one of which was my husband's Antonia. She is listed simply as Antonia Hornelas, no Maria in front of it, and her only parent listed is Ramona Hornelas. I have the film on permanent loan, but haven't gotten to it yet, since I review all my films slowly looking at every record. Why she is listed with her mother's surname only and why only her mother is listed in her baptism record is a mystery.

As for looking for people by looking up the BATCH number for a certain city and date range, I never would have found Antonia that way. The batch she is listed in has no Ornelas, because the priest did not spell that name that way. The batch number searches work well if you know the possible alternate spellings.

Halleleujah!

Emilie --doing the happy dance out the door in Port Orchard, WA (the weeds and the fresh air are waiting for me)

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Viva! Viva! Viva! for you. The way I look in the IGI is using Jose Hernandez by any of the states, since I think there is no town without a Jose Hernandez. Once there appears Jose Hernandez lists I choose the town I´m interested on and the date, of course, and then I click on batch number and then search and it will show all the Ornelas with and without an "H" for that period of time that batch holds. Hope happiness.

Emilie Garcia escribió: I just have to share this, especially with you John Robles, since you are new to Mexican searches:

For the six years that I have been using the IGI on FamilySearch.com, I have been looking and looking for my husband's great-great grandmother who I found listed on her marriage certificate as "Antonia Ornelas". I have found her ancestors clear back to the early 1700s. Her parents were listed only as "Ramona Ornelas" (hija natural de) in her marriage record and in some of the baptisms of her children. Even though her mother Ramona appears to have been married at the time to a Gregorio Gonzales, and the children of that marriage born before and after Antonia have both parents listed in their baptismal records, I could never find Antonia. She has been listed in other records variously as "Ma. Antonia Ornelas" or "Antonia Gonzales" or "Antonia de Leon" (don't know how the de Leon ties in).

SO, for some reason today the Muse told me, "Look for Antonia again", and though I was not in the mood, and I have house and yard work to do, I sat down at the computer and for some reason just typed in "Maria Antonia" in the first name field and "Mexico" in the Country field, then when it said "more than 25" I clicked on "refine" to enter the state name (Jalisco), then I started thumbing through thousands of "Maria" entries (it did not pick up the Antonia), refined it further to the date range that I thought Antonia might have been born in (1825, +/- 2 yrs, then 1830, etc.).

I kept telling the Muse, what is this going to get me, I probably won't even get Encarnacion de Diaz to come up since the listings for Jalisco are enormously long and the cities are not arranged alphabetically but in batches (more on that later) and the FamilySearch will only access 5000 names at a time, and if what you are looking for is not in the first 5000, you cannot get more records to download. BUT, I just kept at it, and after viewing a few thousand Marias, the Muse said, "See that?" Yes, I saw it---HORNELAS!!! Not knowing old Spanish, I never thought to look for Hornelas instead of Ornelas. That Hornelas wasn't Antonia, but it gave me the clue that some priests wrote Ornelas with an "H".

NEXT, I did a new search by entering just Hornelas in the surname field, then refining it to Jalisco, and voila! it brought up only a few Hornelas, one of which was my husband's Antonia. She is listed simply as Antonia Hornelas, no Maria in front of it, and her only parent listed is Ramona Hornelas. I have the film on permanent loan, but haven't gotten to it yet, since I review all my films slowly looking at every record. Why she is listed with her mother's surname only and why only her mother is listed in her baptism record is a mystery.

As for looking for people by looking up the BATCH number for a certain city and date range, I never would have found Antonia that way. The batch she is listed in has no Ornelas, because the priest did not spell that name that way. The batch number searches work well if you know the possible alternate spellings.

Halleleujah!

Emilie --doing the happy dance out the door in Port Orchard, WA (the weeds and the fresh air are waiting for me)

Old Personal Phone Books/John's BreakThrough Dance

Just a quick message about the most valuable resource in my genealogy so
far. Somehow someway I managed to copy a couple of pages out of an old
phonebook that my mom used to use. The copying took place way before I

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I actually did ifnd a person named Robles in Puebla and I emailed to see if they were a relation. I haven't heard back though. Robles is a much more common name than Nieves, I think...
Actually my Spanish if fine but not when it comes to deciphering what a man says in a narrative that is sort of rambling with sentences that go on for miles!
I have attached a copy of it..if anyone wishes to translate it I would be eternally grateful and try to return the favor somehow. I get the gist of it but would love to read every word.
John

Joseph Puentes wrote:

Just a quick message about the most valuable resource in my genealogy so
far. Somehow someway I managed to copy a couple of pages out of an old
phonebook that my mom used to use. The copying took place way before I
was seriously interested in genealogy and I promptly put them in with a
very tall stack of papers in my "save" section of multiple other stacks
of papers. Well one day many years after, but during my new found love
for genealogy (just about 12 months ago) I found that paper and boy was
I surprised. Here in my own handwriting was the answer to my brickwall.
A phone number to a person that my aunt had told me to contact because
they were related to my maternal Grandmother who I didn't even know what
her real name was. I called that person and got enough information to
find my Grandmother's baptism certificate and then a few generations
more back. Then on those pages from the phone book I found another
branch of my maternal Grandfathers family effectively increasing that
side of the family at least 100% and maybe upward of 200-300%.

Aside from old personal phone books I have spent a lot of time with just
regular phone books. If your spanish is not so good just start with the
border cities in the US and call all the people in those towns (El Paso,
Calexico, San Diego, many others) with the surnames you are hunting for.
Just tell them right off what you're doing something like: "I'm a
genealogist and I share the same surname as you do. My 'Puentes' come
from Jalisco Mexico and I was wondering if your 'Puentes' line also came
from Mexico? etc. etc. etc." I've managed to find several lost branches
of the family with that technique and it also works when calling mexico
even though I needed to find a good calling card that gives lots of
minutes for Mexico.

I guess I said all that to say that yes I have many times felt something
very similar to feeling the way John Robles has felt in finding
breakthroughs. I describe it as my heart do physical backflips.

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John and John,

You can't send attachments to the group. You need to create a folder
(John Robles already has one) and add the file to the folder. Then copy
and paste the folders location URL into an email sent to the group.

thanks,

joseph

John Gonzalez wrote:

>Hi John:
>
>It looks like you might have left out the attachment...I don't see it. Do
>you want to try sending it again?
>
>John Gonzalez
>Wildomar, CA.
>

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John Robles,

You can't send attachments to the list. Arturo will tell you to upload it to the files section.

Emilie
----- Original Message -----
From: john robles
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 6:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Old Personal Phone Books/John's BreakThroughDance

I actually did ifnd a person named Robles in Puebla and I emailed to see if they were a relation. I haven't heard back though. Robles is a much more common name than Nieves, I think...
Actually my Spanish if fine but not when it comes to deciphering what a man says in a narrative that is sort of rambling with sentences that go on for miles!
I have attached a copy of it..if anyone wishes to translate it I would be eternally grateful and try to return the favor somehow. I get the gist of it but would love to read every word.
John

Joseph Puentes > wrote:

Just a quick message about the most valuable resource in my genealogy so
far. Somehow someway I managed to copy a couple of pages out of an old
phonebook that my mom used to use. The copying took place way before I
was seriously interested in genealogy and I promptly put them in with a
very tall stack of papers in my "save" section of multiple other stacks
of papers. Well one day many years after, but during my new found love
for genealogy (just about 12 months ago) I found that paper and boy was
I surprised. Here in my own handwriting was the answer to my brickwall.
A phone number to a person that my aunt had told me to contact because
they were related to my maternal Grandmother who I didn't even know what
her real name was. I called that person and got enough information to
find my Grandmother's baptism certificate and then a few generations
more back. Then on those pages from the phone book I found another
branch of my maternal Grandfathers family effectively increasing that
side of the family at least 100% and maybe upward of 200-300%.

Aside from old personal phone books I have spent a lot of time with just
regular phone books. If your spanish is not so good just start with the
border cities in the US and call all the people in those towns (El Paso,
Calexico, San Diego, many others) with the surnames you are hunting for.
Just tell them right off what you're doing something like: "I'm a
genealogist and I share the same surname as you do. My 'Puentes' come
from Jalisco Mexico and I was wondering if your 'Puentes' line also came
from Mexico? etc. etc. etc." I've managed to find several lost branches
of the family with that technique and it also works when calling mexico
even though I needed to find a good calling card that gives lots of
minutes for Mexico.

I guess I said all that to say that yes I have many times felt something
very similar to feeling the way John Robles has felt in finding
breakthroughs. I describe it as my heart do physical backflips.

HISTORIA DE TEOCALTICHE PUEBLO DE LA REGION CAXCANA NUEVA GALICIA, Zona de Los Altos de Jalisco

Nicolás de Anda Sánchez' new book is now available at Borderlands Book Store. Enter the # 890 in the search box and it will take you right to it.

http://www.borderlandsbooks.com/

Teocaltiche is located approximately between Guadalajara and Zacatecas. This is a historical narrative but contains a profusion of genealogical information.The book is divided into five parts: Part one is " Epoca Prehispanica,", Part Two is "Siglo XVI," Part Three is " Siglo XVII, Part Four is "Siglo XVIII," and Part Five is " El Siglo XIX, DE 1800 Al 1823."

Los O���ate de Alice

Hello Leticia, I'm starting my search with nothing but family names. I was only 12 when I met my great-uncle Adolfo Onate in Guadalajara and have no idea what part of town I was in, and since my mother never kept up any correspondence, I have nothing but family names to go on. Sorry, but these are the brick walls I've been battling for about two months now. Thanks for keeping me in mind; I keep reading all the messages posted and ordering films from the FHC in hopes of finding some kind of lead. Alice B. Blake