I found this book listed in libroslatinos.com; has anyone read it? EL ORIGEN DE LA POBLACION ALTEÑA by Hernández, Silviano. Description: On the origins of the population of Los Altos de Jalisco with much on its Sephardic and Crypto-Jewish (as well as French) origins. Publisher: Guadalajara, Secretaría de Cultura Jalisco (Voz de la Tierra), 2003 Book Condition: 80p., bibl., wrps Price: 20.00 BookID: 91944 Comments? Maria
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Well as usual I kind of went nuts on something. I'm not suppose to be
doing this but studying for an exam coming up a week from this coming
monday, but I took a break from the books and was sort of absorbed by
this mini project.
I so often find that that I get a big time blessing when I set out to
send the group stuff and find non group related but definetly related to
me gold nuggets of information. I'm going to have to go and see how I
can get some of those books and tapes to listen to. Of course most
library's don't ILL non book items but where theres a will theres a way.
joseph ================================= Your family history :
how to use oral history, personal family archives, and public documents
to discover your heritage /
Allan J Lichtman 1978 1st ed. English Book ix, 205 p. ; 21 cm. New York : Vintage Books, ; ISBN: 0394723325 Get This Item
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Just some of thoughts to keep in mind when interviewing relatives or
people that knew your relatives:
1) if you can ask if its okay to interview the discussion on cassette
tape. Don't make a big deal about this as some people tend to freeze up
if you stick a microphone in their face. Rather get a high quality mike
and set it between you and your relative turn it on and forget about it.
If you get resistance emphasis how important their words are for the
future generations and how it wouldn't be right to deny her/his great
great great great grandchildren the privledge of hearing their voice.
2) if you do telephone interviews then go to Radio Shack and buy a
telephone line recording system (less than $50) that lets you plug into
your phone line and tape from any phone in the house. Still ask
permission to record.
3) if you seemed to get a good session with no problems with a cassette
recorder ask if it would be okay to do video camera. I personally don't
think a
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Now, this is AWESOME!!! This is what is
called in genealogy "a serendipitous moment." Honest! There are many such moments in genealogy. Hank Jones (aka Henry Jones) has published many books about these moments. Marge V:)
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I think it should be stricter. The intent of this board is clear. It is meant for serious genealogists who are actively doing their own research. The messages are open to the public so that those who want to wait until they are ready to join can still read the messages posted without feeling pressured to become members. Steven H.
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That is a great idea. It also helps if you give them the questions ahead of time. It gives them time to think about it and you get better information. Make sure you have a good video camera and a good mic. Good sound is key. You may also want to give them old pictures so as to help them remember. I have found that my mother feels most confortable talking about the family history is about the table when she is making tamales. good luck. --- Pacorro73@... wrote: > In all honesty, recording Oral History is a truly > beautiful gift we can give > our future descendants. Not only is oral history a > significant aspect of > genealogy, but it is what recording family history > is all about. We need to > remember that the names that we see and research in > our files, were those of real > living breathing human beings too. Now that they > are no longer with us, we > must preserve their memory, and remember who they > were. > > Although I must admit I have not yet done this, I
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Darn you are making me very hungry, and I'm in southern cali! smile...
Just kidding but you did make my mouth water right now..
gloria
From: Pacorro73@...
Reply-To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Menudo and nopales?
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 05:33:29 EST
Hey, Joseph, you stand invited to my house for menudo, or pozole, or a carne
asada, tostadas de cueritos, carnitas, enchiladas de camaron, costillitas de
puerco con nopales en salsa de tomatillos, tacos de sesos (o lengua, al
pastor), pepena, mole poblano con arroz y cebollas curtidas, pollo frito en
salsa
chipotle, tripitas, cocido, albondigas, or sopes, etc, con arroz y frijoles,
and
followed with a great jericalla, flan, capirotada (if it's during lent), and
served with a great agua de naranja, tamarindo, jamaica, or horchata, or a
shot
of my Tio Julio's wonderful tequila, Don Julio. Don Julio Gonzalez Estrada, maker of Don Julio Tequila, is my Abuelita Cruz's
Hello Al: The municipio of Zacoalco de Torres is located in the southern part of Jalisco. The main pueblos in the municipio are Zacoalco, Santa Catarina, 3 Barrancas (Santa Clara, Otates, Laureles) and San Marcos Evangelista. Most of my family lines come from these pueblos and surrounding municipios. Zacoalco is about midway between Guadalajara and Ciudad Guzman. The pueblos nearby Zacoalco de Torres are: Santa Ana Acatlan, Villa Corona, Techaluta, Atoyac, Atemajac, Amacueca, and Teocuitatlan. Also, Jocotepec, Ajijic and Chapala are really close. I hope that helps you to locate Zacoalco on the map. And here's some history: It was on this municipio, actually on Santa Catarina, where my Apodaca ancestors are from, where a very important battle of the war of independence took place. A couple months after the Grito de Dolores, the insurgentes were trying to take control of a big city to maintain their strenght. In Jalisco, a man called Jose Antonio "El Amo" Torres was in
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Hey, Joseph, you stand invited to my house for menudo, or pozole, or a carne asada, tostadas de cueritos, carnitas, enchiladas de camaron, costillitas de puerco con nopales en salsa de tomatillos, tacos de sesos (o lengua, al pastor), pepena, mole poblano con arroz y cebollas curtidas, pollo frito en salsa chipotle, tripitas, cocido, albondigas, or sopes, etc, con arroz y frijoles, and followed with a great jericalla, flan, capirotada (if it's during lent), and served with a great agua de naranja, tamarindo, jamaica, or horchata, or a shot of my Tio Julio's wonderful tequila, Don Julio. Don Julio Gonzalez Estrada, maker of Don Julio Tequila, is my Abuelita Cruz's first-cousin. If you're interested I could show you his pedigree chart. So whenever you decide to travel outside of North Carolina and visit Southern California, then as they say...MI CASA ES SU CASA. Cordialmente, Steven H.
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go to the links for the Ranchos(1) group and look for the Ranchos2
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In all honesty, recording Oral History is a truly beautiful gift we can give our future descendants. Not only is oral history a significant aspect of genealogy, but it is what recording family history is all about. We need to remember that the names that we see and research in our files, were those of real living breathing human beings too. Now that they are no longer with us, we must preserve their memory, and remember who they were.
Although I must admit I have not yet done this, I have read that you should prepare before you just start video taping your elders. If you ask really good questions, you will get really good answers. Be prepared to be flexible and reactive to your interviewee and sit and back and enjoy while listening to the stories and let them reminisce and remember. You will see that the past and countless family stories and anecdotes, will make your family's history come alive. Blend your questions in lively conversation that allow the memories to develop
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What's this about a Ranchos2 maintenance message? Maybe I was asleep when this happened, or maybe it was when I was in Mexico, or something. To be frank, I have never attempted to enter the Ranchos2 newsgroup. Do I have to be invited? What do I have to do? Joseph, could you please send me the secret password, or whatever it is that I have to do to access the newsgroup? Cordialmente, Steven H.
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Recently, I discovered that my Villarreal connection was Jewish through the research that others had been doing. When I asked my aunt of this connection, she said yes we are, but it was kept secret because of the discrimination against the Jews in Mexico. Turns out the Jewish secret had been kept since the 1500's. Esperanza
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I love this conversation.
My father's family is from Coahuila area. Once, when I was surveying the very large rancho of the family, we went through a very small village (about 50 people) that seemed to be located in the middle of nowhere, but on the property. I asked my primo what were they were doing here. He explained that they were the peones that worked the land. But what he also explained is that they had very little money, which resulted in extremely limited cooking skills. Mostly, they ate carne asado, with chile and tortillas and beans. The family has gone through large efforts in teaching them how to extend their food portions with guisados, etc.
This, for me was an "aha" moment. The good cooks then had to have come from a much better economic circumstances, as the availability of various products had to be there. I was raised by a family from Los Altos (too long of a story to go into), but the whole family were extremely wonderful cooks - including the men.
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-----Original Message-----
From: sgapodaca
[mailto:sgapodaca@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 10:17
AM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Re:
Menudo and nopales?
Indeed, menudo and pozole is
part of my maternal family history.
Probably my great-grandmother Ambrosia
Frias (she died before I was
born, but my older brothers and sisters knew
her and tell me that she
was a wonderful woman, they call her Bochita),
learned her cooking
from her mother Pascuala Aguilar, but I am not so sure
about it. I am
going to Zacoalco on January and ask my grandma about it.
However,
this could go even two generations before my great-grandmother
because Bochita, according to my grandma, used to refer a lot to a
woman she called "Mi Jacobita". Later on my research, I found that my
great-grandmother's grandmother,(my third great grandmother?) was
name
Indeed, menudo and pozole is part of my maternal family history. Probably my great-grandmother Ambrosia Frias (she died before I was born, but my older brothers and sisters knew her and tell me that she was a wonderful woman, they call her Bochita), learned her cooking from her mother Pascuala Aguilar, but I am not so sure about it. I am going to Zacoalco on January and ask my grandma about it. However, this could go even two generations before my great-grandmother because Bochita, according to my grandma, used to refer a lot to a woman she called "Mi Jacobita". Later on my research, I found that my great-grandmother's grandmother,(my third great grandmother?) was named Jacoba Castro. I completely agree that we must ask our viejitos about the family personal history. On 2000, my great grandmother Elena Curiel died at age 100. I never had a close relationship with her. Today, I hit my head on the wall every time I think about all the stories, names, events, and stuff
-----Original Message-----
From: Mambo King!!!!
[mailto:javier_m_barrios@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 02,
2004 12:50 AM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re:
[ranchos] ORAL HISTORYI did an Oral history on my
family's geneology and
believe me, it's something to hear. It's
very nice
to see and hear the
I did an Oral history on my family's geneology and believe me, it's something to hear. It's very nice to see and hear the elders of the family speak like it's nothing. If you do have elders still around, get a ideocamera and a few blank tapes and set it up and just let it run. The nice thing about that is you can get their knowledge and history and you can also get a good videotape of them BEFORE they pass on and the best part of that is they are telling the family story to you and to whoever is watching. Paz --- yolanda medina-perezwrote: > > Recently I went to the library at UTEP in El Paso > and discovered two > interesting projects, one which deals with oral > history and > basically dealing with their memories of life in El > Paso and of > course how they lived back in the early 1930s, 40s, > etc. My cousins > grandmother was interviewed and recorded. The > conversation was later > transcribed and is available to the public. The > second discovery