Nuestros Ranchos Site

For those of you, who are looking, for a group, that does cover a
larger geographical area of Mexico.  I would like to suggest the
Mexican FHR group (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mexicanfhr/). This is
group, that I recently started, because I wanted a Mexican Genealogy
group, like the Ranchos and Ciudad Juarez groups, but that covered a
larger area. 

When I saw, the responses to this Poll.  I e-mailed Joseph, and asked
what he thought.  And he said, to go ahead and make suggestion, of the
Mexican FHR group, to you all.

Thanks,
Jonathan Walker
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mexicanfhr/ and www.mexicanfhr.com

Wow, what a find. I wish I was there because around 1953 or so my
Grandfather also went to El Paso to visit relatives and then went back
to Jalisco for a visit. Possibly he is in those records you mention.

but as to your question. I am no expert in oral history but before she
died a couple of months ago I was talking to my Aunt who has Jalisco
roots every other week for the last two years of her life. I badly need
to transcribe all those conversations that are on tape along with 100's
of other hours of interviews with relatives. I wish I was 20 people as I
could spend 20 life times just interviewing relatives. I think that is
the main thing you should do is gather gather gather. Get the data while
it is available. One day another generation will die along with all the
stories that only they and possibly a few others knew.

there are some good discussion groups on oral history and maybe you
might want to join this one and ask some general questions there. If you
find some

Recently I went to the library at UTEP in El Paso and discovered two 
interesting projects, one which deals with oral history and 
basically dealing with their memories of life in El Paso and of 
course how they lived back in the early 1930s, 40s, etc.  My cousins 
grandmother was interviewed and recorded. The conversation was later 
transcribed and is available to the public. The second discovery 
were the files of Cleofas Calleros. During the 1940s, people who 
lived in in the US and were originally from Mexico would go to his 
office for documentation if they needed to go into the interior of 
Mexico. In these records I found pictures of my four grandparents, 
uncles,aunts,cousins and inlaws. Some of the documents give place of 
birth, place, parents, spouse and their prsent adddress. They even 
include a brief physical description.  WOW! what a find, they also 
made copies for me. Just visit the 6th floor at UTEP Library but be 
prepared with list of names and plenty of time. The

Joseph, I didn't get that Ranchos2 maintenance message
and I just tried to access Ranchos2 and I was not
allowed. Can you send me the invitation again? Looks
like last time it did not work.

Guillermo. 

--- Joseph Puentes  wrote:

> 
> Did you get an email with the subject "Ranchos2
> Maintenance (2)"? some 
> did some didn't. We have 59 members in the Ranchos
> group But 72 members 
> of the original Ranchos group.  that means that 13
> of you all are not 
> benefitting from membership to the Ranchos2 group
> and all the 
> information in the "Files" area of that group.
> 
> So if you didn't get that "Ranchos2 Maintenance (2)"
> email you need to 
> contact me so I can send you an invitation to join
> the Ranchos 2 group.
> 
> joseph
> 



		
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Hi, Joseph. My email address is valhdez@....

Guillermo Valdez.


--- Joseph Puentes  wrote:

> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm trying to put your email address on your file,
> but I can't seem to 
> find your email address. Can you email me privately
> with your email address.
> 
> thanks,
> 
> Joseph Puentes
> Ranchos Moderator
> 
> 
> 



		
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Wow cool, I can just taste the Menudo and the history you related makes
me really think. Now your Great Grandmother had to learn her culinary
skills from someone. . .maybe her mom? Reasonable assumption wouldn't
you say. I'd just love to learn why some recipes came about. . .meaning
the social forces at work at different time periods. Maybe at certain
times there was an abundance of hominy but no pigs and some of the
different recipes started to develope. I wish we could find history
books that might trace the food from the specific areas of "our"
research. Also I'd love to read more about the diseases that plagues our
areas. . .I remember looking over the death records for Santa Maria de
Los Angeles and found a group of over 100 people in a row that died of
Cholera in the 1830's. I could only imagine the horror of living there
at that time with disease all around you. I also read about some of the
horrific earth quakes that destroyed many of the iglesias in the late
17

Irma sent me a Happy Thanksgiving note and greeting, well I'm a Turkey boy as on some years my birthday falls right on Thanksgiving but not this year. Well enough of that, Happy Thanksgiving to everyone, happy birthday to me, and bear with me as I start to sharpen my Axe for the holidays.
 
. . . .Sorry to be so blunt but this group is not a free ride for anyone. [mind you its almost free as in some communication will definitely buy you a by]. . .enough of the riddles. . . .
                 . . .if you haven't submitted your genealogy [as in never ever] you need to communicate with me as to when you are going to send it. When you

Hello to everyone. What's going on with all this talk about menudo 
and nopales? I thought this was a genealogy group, not a cooking 
book................................I'm just kidding.

By the way, in Jalisco we also cook white menudo, not only the red 
one. The last messages brought my attention because menudo as well as 
pozole is closely related to my family history.

You see, my mom Margarita Tapia lives in Jalisco, Zacoalco de Torres, 
and she owns a restaurant where one of her specialties is menudo. 
Fonda Dona Mago, if you ever go to Zacoalco.

A generation back, her mom, my grandma Manuela Martinez, was also 
known because of the delicious menudo she made. Even today, some old 
folks refer to my mom's menudo as "el menudo de Manuela", even though 
she has been retired for more than a decade.

And this doesn't stop with my grandma, because her mother, my great-
grandmother Ambrosia Frias Aguilar, was also famous for her 
restaurant and especially for her pozole. A couple

Hello to everyone. What's going on with all this talk about menudo 
and nopales? I thought this was a genealogy group, not a cooking 
book................................I'm just kidding.

By the way, in Jalisco we also cook white menudo, not only the red 
one. The last messages brought my attention because menudo as well as 
pozole is closely related to my family history.

You see, my mom Margarita Tapia lives in Jalisco, Zacoalco de Torres, 
and she owns a restaurant where one of her specialties is menudo. 
Fonda Dona Mago, if you ever go to Zacoalco.

A generation back, her mom, my grandma Manuela Martinez, was also 
known because of the delicious menudo she made. Even today, some old 
folks refer to my mom's menudo as "el menudo de Manuela", even though 
she has been retired for more than a decade.

And this doesn't stop with my grandma, because her mother, my great-
grandmother Ambrosia Frias Aguilar, was also famous for her 
restaurant and especially for her pozole. A couple

Okay.  Here is something I have heard my parents discuss:
Do you add patas de puerco (pig's feet) or Patas de res (beef feet) to
your menudo.  They both agree that you don't mix meats.  
In their opinion, Que asco revolver carne de puerco con res!

Well, last Friday, I had menudo with pig's feet at my inlaws for
breakfast, and I have to agree with my folks.  The menudo was good,
but the broth was kinda dark and fatty.  
My folks are from Jalisco, and my mother-in-law's family was from
Jalisco too, so it mustn't be a regional thing?  
Must be a family thing?  
So the question of the day....  do you add pig or beef feet?  
I've made menudo, and I add neither if it's my choice.  
Don't like anyone's feet in my soup!

Here goes my vote.  

I'm in agreement with Maria.  I don't think that Joseph expects materpieces
from all of us, but he as probably all active contributing members would
appreciate something.  

At least our family trees should be protected in a separate file
inaccessable to non-contributing Members.  As Joseph says, start with your
grandparents, and work back as far as you can.  I have found information
very easily just knowing this.    My father was born in the early 1930s, and
I found his birth record, so it really is fairly easy.  The Microfilms have
so much info.  

Also, it isn't fair to those who have contributed their family trees.  Here
are our lives like open books for individuals who haven't done the same.

Irma

-----Original Message-----
From: readysetgo95814 [mailto:mcortez@...]
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 9:17 AM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Re: New poll for ranchos




I think it should be stricter.  The intent of this board is clear.  
It is

I think it should be stricter.  The intent of this board is clear.  
It is meant for serious genealogists who are actively doing their 
own research. The messages are open to the public so that those who 
want to wait until they are ready to join can still read the 
messages posted without feeling pressured to become members. 

Maria Cortez

>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com 
>   To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 12:05 PM
>   Subject: [ranchos] New poll for ranchos
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the 
>   ranchos group:
> 
>   You can only vote if you have already
>   submitted your genealogy, but even if
>   you haven't you can still influence by
>   giving your opinion via an email to the
>   group (freedom of speech).
> 
>   Question: Should the requirements for
>   being a member of Ranchos be More Strict
>   (have your genealogy in hand to submit
>   before being accepted into