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The FamilyTreeDNA 2016 Winter Holiday sale has started. They are giving coupons out that can be used on top of the discounted prices reducing the price of the tests even more.

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Published by Armando – Mon, 2016-11-14 07:09 | Permalink

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Where is the "Inbox" of NuestrosRanchos?

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I have messaged others, but either I have had something go wrong with my browser, or there is not a simple inbox for messages between members.
Thanks.

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Published by ricardo.infante – Thu, 2016-11-03 12:12 | Permalink

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I believe the inbox is the email used to create your account here.

If I sent a message to a user here, it should go to their email and from there, they respond back.

Published by dcalonso – Thu, 2016-11-03 16:33 | Permalink

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I get that error everytime and I don't think the email messaging works. Ive sent several emails to people and ive never gotten a response and I tried it once to someone that I communicate with through regular email and asked them and they never got it so i don't think it works.

Danny C. Alonso

Published by maven200 – Sun, 2016-11-13 13:38 | Permalink

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Hello- same with me. I've in mailed many people but never heard back. I wonder if they ever received.
Maven

FW: Somos Primos November 2016 (lq1)

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-----Original Message-----
From: mimilozano@somosprimos.com [mailto:mimilozano@somosprimos.com]
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:19 PM
To: mimilozano@aol.com
Subject: Somos Primos November 2016 (lq

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Published by R.A.Ricci (not verified) – Sat, 2016-11-05 09:26 | Permalink

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Politics and history in genealogy
Submitted by R.A.Ricci on Sat, 2016-11-05 03:09.
Many of the first settlers were cutthroats. Many of the first settlers did some things that we descendants find very offensive. Many people, from the left and right, are going to be very offended by the actions of some of their ancestors.

Politics and history are a part of the study of genealogy. Though I consider myself a moderate, I present both "right" and "left" sides of my ancestry. In my chapters on my De la Torre Ledesma ancestry I present both sides at the same time in a very dramatic piece of history. I descend from the main characters on both sides of this World changing incident. I say world changing because even though the events of that day only had immediate consequences for Spain, the repercussions of that event were felt many years later as the Europeans spread out to the Americas. King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella would not have been on the throne if not for what happened that day in history. History was changed by an "Amiga", and a flip of a wrist.

As to differing political beliefs, I find it invigorating to challenge the beliefs of people on the right, left, and even moderates. A good debate of opposing views is a wonderful opportunity to expand your horizons. I advise you to engage people in conversations, maybe even try taking the opposing side in a discussion as it can do wonders in helping create an understanding of why others hold an opposing opinion.

I have also been offended from some views expressed on this site, but this community is a diverse one as it is represented by people from all walks of life, and all levels of education. The antisemitism expressed by some members on this site bothered me so much that I even left nuestrosranchos for a few years because of those comments. I got over it because I find it very rewarding to collaborate with many of the members of this site.

I continue to find Jews and conversos in the ancestry of the first European settlers in Nueva Galicia. My book is of interest to those who want the truth about the ancestry of many of the founding families of Nueva Galicia.

R.A.Ricci

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Hi Rick,
Any updates on ur book? I can't wait to read it as I m currently researching my ancestors who were early settlers to nueva Galicia, Puebla. Pls update us. Thanks,
Pauline

Published by R.A.Ricci (not verified) – Sat, 2016-11-05 00:48 | Permalink

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I believe that Somos Primos is a valuable source of information but it does have a poor choice of words in this issue.

I can see why many people are offended by the statement: "As I view the brutality and devastation caused by Islamic inspired wars" because it implies that the terrorism that is being done is inspired by the Muslim religion when it is fanatics that are not in any sense spiritual that are waging this war. The terrorists are not following The Islamic faith. This statement is the type of statement that would come out of Trump's mouth.

Somos Primos was the first to make a political statement here so people responding to this outrageous statement should not be told to not respond to it. Nuestrosranchos can't expect a post of "Somos Primos" to make such an inappropriate statement and not expect someone to respond.

This is a repeat of when some members made inappropriate comments regarding Jews and then we were told to stop the discussion as it didn't have to do with genealogy. It did have to do with genealogy. I am a descendant of many of the founding settlers of Nueva Galicia and many of them had ancestors that practiced Islamic or Jewish religions. People have a right to stand up and say that their religion is not being treated with the respect it deserves. I am not Jewish, and I am not A Muslim but I will speak up for them. Most of the ancestors that we are studying have some Jewish or Muslim ancestors.

Published by dcalonso – Thu, 2016-11-03 20:45 | Permalink

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Joseph,

I think Somos Primos is very informative and an excellent resource. I learn
so much about history and culture from Somos Primos, way more than I learn
from school or anywhere else. Just in the last few issues, I've learned
about Sor Juana Inés de la Cruz, Gálvez, The American Revolution, new DNA
discoveries in Mexico, plus I learned about Repatriation, The Cristeros,
new saints and a bunch of stuff i didn't know about politics and
contributions to history. It's like I'm reading an entirely different
journal than some people. Plus, it's a link, No one says you have to click
on it. But, if you don't you're missing out on a lot of valuable
information.

Danny C. Alonso

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Hi Joseph,
I also really enjoy getting this publication monthly. For those of you who know Mimi Lozano, I think it's an incredible feat that she pulls off monthly to compile and promote this newsletter. The amount of info and the variety of topics is incredible . I am very grateful for being able to learn about our extended communities and I concur it's a great resource that often offers a new fresh perspective. Like anything else, you don't need to agree with everything and you should always verify info at the source.
Please continue to share it. Many of us appreciate the work and effort put forth.
Thanks,
Pauline

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Yes, this is an important resource that Joseph makes available for our benefit. By the comments, I see that most don't find anything negative about the site.

Emilie

Port Orchard, WA

________________________________
From: General on behalf of pavendano@earthlink.net
Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2016 10:31 PM
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Somos primos

Hi Joseph, I also really enjoy getting this publication monthly. For those of
you who know Mimi Lozano, I think it's an incredible feat that she pulls off
monthly to compile and promote this newsletter. The amount of info and the
variety of topics is incredible . I am very grateful for being able to learn
about our extended communities and I concur it's a great resource that often
offers a new fresh perspective. Like anything else, you don't need to agree
with everything and you should always verify info at the source. Please
continue to share it. Many of us appreciate the work and effort put forth.
Thanks, Pauline

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I agree with you Danny. Good post

Emilie

Port Orchard, WA

________________________________
From: General on behalf of Danny Alonso
Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2016 8:32 PM
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] FW: Somos Primos November 2016 (lq1)

Joseph,

I think Somos Primos is very informative and an excellent resource. I learn
so much about history and culture from Somos Primos, way more than I learn
from school or anywhere else. Just in the last few issues, I've learned
about Sor Juana Inés de la Cruz, Gálvez, The American Revolution, new DNA
discoveries in Mexico, plus I learned about Repatriation, The Cristeros,
new saints and a bunch of stuff i didn't know about politics and
contributions to history. It's like I'm reading an entirely different
journal than some people. Plus, it's a link, No one says you have to click
on it. But, if you don't you're missing out on a lot of valuable
information.

Danny C. Alonso

Published by Esther Jordan Lopez – Tue, 2016-11-01 16:45 | Permalink

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This is a great newsletter. Thank you for sharing.

Esther Lopez Jordan

On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 6:28 PM, Joseph Puentes wrote:

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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mimilozano@somosprimos.com [mailto:mimilozano@somosprimos.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:19 PM
> To: mimilozano@aol.com
> Subject: Somos Primos November 2016 (lq1)
>
> Somos Primos, November 2016 Click here: Somos Primos
> http://www.somosprimos.com/sp2016/spnov16/spnov16.htm
>
> Dear Friends and Family:
>
> November 1-2 are observed as Dias de Los Muertos , honoring the memories
> of our loved ones.
> and November 11th is Veteran's Day, set aside to honor our Veterans.
>
> Words can not express my gratitude to those men and women who dedicate
> their lives to protecting our country. As I view the brutality and
> devastation caused by Islamic inspired wars, I realize that we can never
> repay our veterans for the horrors forever etched in their memories.
> Please pray with me that our in-coming government will attempt to provide
> for all the needs of our Veterans, and we will fulfill our obligations to
> them will be set in place.
>
> I give thanks for being born in the United States of Mexican Heritage with
> a proud history of 500 years of familia contributions to the development of
> the Americas.
> I give thanks for the technological and scientific developments which have
> provided the means for me to learn of my roots and appreciate mis
> antipasados, for their sacrifices and accomplishments.
> I give thanks for the Christian foundations of our nation, and our
> inspired Constitution.
> I give thanks for our varied/ diverse educational systems, giving all
> opportunities to improve their lives.
> I give thanks for family and friend who strengthen and support me.
> I give thanks to you, readers of Somos Primos, who encourage my efforts
> and share information.
>
> Let us all pray that the Lord will have His Hand on the outcome of the
> election.
> God bless America that it will continue to be a stabilizing force in the
> world.
>
> Mimi
>
>
>
> TABLE OF CONTENTS, November 2016
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> UNITED STATES
> ACLU Outrage: A Mountaintop Christian Victory Over the ACLU Chapman
> University’s third annual Survey of American Fears Pew Research Center
> Report: Individual income tax statistics, by income group Smithsonian
> Latino Center 2015 Annual Report
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> Mexican “Repatriation” of the 1930s: 45 Years of Advocacy by M.
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> Open Letter of Concern to the Pro Football Hall of Fame Administrators,
> Voters, The NFL, Sportswriters and the General Public from Dr. Mario
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> Don Eleuterio Escobar, Seed planted in 1915 for Liga Pro-Defensa Escolar /
> School Improvement League by Gilberto Quezada Domingo E. Pena, Memories by
> daughter, Rose Everett Alonso S. Perales, Civil rights lawyer-fighter for
> Mexican Americans by Gilberto Quezada "El Mexico Americano y la Politica
> del Sur de Texas" Lic. Alonso S.
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> 7th annual Digital Media & Learning Conference at UCI, Digital Dreamers by
> Mimi Ko Cruz Convention of States held September 26th Defaced dollar bill
> should be refused Spanish language is the oldest non Indian language spoken
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> HERITAGE PROJECTS
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> CAREM / El Camino Real de las Californias as World Heritage Site Update
> Latinos in Heritage Conservation: Reunion 2016, November 18-19 Houston,
> Texas America's Most Endangered Historic Places
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> HISTORIC TIDBITS
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> Irish: The Forgotten White Slaves
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> HISPANIC LEADERS
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> AMERICAN PATRIOTS
> Photo: US soldier offering his hand to a woman leaving a cave
> Unreal: Pentagon Demands Soldiers Repay Bonuses WWII Spitfire Pilot
>
> EARLY LATINO PATRIOTS
> Spanish and Mexican Land Grants by Joe Perez Who was the “Protector and
> Defender of U.S. independence"? by José Antonio López Judge Edward F.
> Butler, 37th TX Hispanic Genealogical & Historical Conference
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> SURNAMES
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> BOOKS AND PRINT MEDIA
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Juan de Anda

Published by gpf13 –
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I am trying to find the parents of Juan de Anda, and to determine if he is part of the Anda Altamirano family.

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Published by R.A.Ricci (not verified) – Sat, 2016-11-12 16:34 | Permalink

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Dear George,

Juana de Anda and Nicolas Macias Valadez may have been related as there is another branch of the family that used De Anda as a surname when the De Anda came from the maternal side. If Juan De Anda is from this line then there should be a marriage dispensation saying that Juana De Anda and Nicolas Macias Valadez are related through the Macias Valadez line.

Rick A. Ricci

Published by R.A.Ricci (not verified) – Sat, 2016-11-12 16:33 | Permalink

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Dear George,

Juana de Anda and Nicolas Macias Valadez may have been related as there is another branch of the family that used De Anda as a surname when the De Anda came from the maternal side. If Juan De Anda is from this line then there should be a marriage dispensation saying that Juana De Anda and Nicolas Macias Valadez are related through the Macias Valadez line.

Rick A. Ricci

Published by R.A.Ricci (not verified) – Sat, 2016-11-12 16:32 | Permalink

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Dear George,

Juana de Anda and Nicolas Macias Valadez may have been related as there is another branch of the family that used De Anda as a surname when the De Anda came from the maternal side. If Juan De Anda is from this line then there should be a marriage dispensation saying that Juana De Anda and Nicolas Macias Valadez are related through the Macias Valadez line.

Rick A. Ricci

Published by R.A.Ricci (not verified) – Mon, 2016-10-31 08:18 | Permalink

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Dear Gorge,

Your inquiry into Juan De Anda led to Armando providing much information on Catalina Rodriguez Salceded's ancestors. I have now added many generations of her ancestors to my family tree.

Thank you,
Rick A. Ricci

Published by R.A.Ricci (not verified) – Sun, 2016-10-30 11:07 | Permalink

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George,

The Juan de Anda that is married to Catalina Rodriguez de Salcedo and is the son of Alonso Fernandez de Rueda and Ana de Anda Altamirano is the most likely candidate. He does not marry Catalina until he is about forty-two. Maria Ortega Espinosa may have been his first wife. If we could find juan and Catalina's marriage record we could check to see if it references a prior marriage. We can also check the marriage information records for all the children and grandchildren looking for clues.

Rick

Published by Armando – Sun, 2016-10-30 19:30 | Permalink

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He can't be the Juan de Anda that married Catalina Rodriguez de Salcedo because in Jalostotitlan: Padrones Parroquiales Volumen 1: 1649, 1650 y 1670 (Spanish Edition)
by Sergio Gutierrez Link: https://amzn.com/1496120019 they are already a couple in the padrón of 1670. Then in the book Historia de nuestra señora de San Juan de los Lagos, y del culto de esta milagrosa imagen by Alberto Santoscoy January 1, 1903, which can be read for free at Google Books, the padrón of 1679 is included and they are mentioned again with the same slave named Pasquala. I know it is the correct Catalina because in 1670 she is mentioned with the surname Rodríguez de Lara, which is a reference to her Lara ancestry since she is a granddaughter of Cristóbal Vázquez de Lara who is a grandson of Elvira Gil de Lara, and in 1679 she is mentioned with the surname Rodríguez de Salcedo.

Juan de Anda and María de Ortega had children between 1659 and 1679 with three of them being born after 1670.

He can't be the Juan de Anda that married Isabel Martínez de Alarcón since two daughters of Juan and Isabel were married 20 Feb 1686 Film 639756 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-19050-63666-96 putting their birth prior to the birth of at least 3 children of Juan de Anda and María de Ortega.

Just some info that might be interesting. According to the book Bautismos, Matrimonios y Defunciones, en el Primer Siglo de Santa María de los Lagos by Mario Gómez Mata the hacienda La Mesa Redonda in what is now called Lagos de Moreno was conceded to Pedro de Anda Altamirano on 15 Aug 1576 by the king Felipe II. He, or a descendant of the same name, and his hacienda are mentioned in a marriage record in 1633 of where his servants were padrinos. Film 221404 image 433 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18684-23296-14 Interestingly enough this hacienda became interchangeably known as La Mesa de los Villalobos, as well as La Mesa Redonda, starting in the year 1703 when María the daughter of Tomás de Villalobos Martín del Campo and Francisca Tiscareño Romo de Vivar is baptized and the registration states "María Española hija legitima de Thomas de Villalobos [Martín del Campo] y de Franisca de Esareño vesinos de esta feligresía un su Hacienda de La Mesa" Film 221406 Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1634-1665 image 433. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18684-23296-14

Most of the descendants of Tomás de Villalobos Martín del Campo and Francisca Tiscareño Romo de Vivar are mentioned as being from La Mesa Redonda and interchangeably as being from La Mesa de los Villalobos.

According to a dispensa for Rosa María, a daughter of Miguel de Villalobos and Josefa López de la Cruz (daughter of Juan de Anda and María de Ortega) she and her fiancé were 2nd cousins and Miguel de Villalobos was an hijo natural of Tomás de Villalobos [Macías Valadez] and her fiancé was a grandson of Miguel de Villalobos [Macías Valadez] meaning they were both descendants of Tomas de Villalobos and Catarina Macias Valadez. Film 168373 16 Aug 1734 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18424-14359-3

Salvador de Villalobos Macías Valadez was a testigo at the marriage of Miguel de Villalobos and Josefa López de la Cruz Film 221512 image 44 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18567-42616-8

I found in the Aguascalientes notary records where Salvador de Villalobos Macías Valadez sold property to the younger children of his brother Tomás de Villalobos Macías Valadez and he states that he was their tutor and legal guardian. Salvador de Villalobos Macías Valadez and Francisca Martín del Campo y López de la Cruz were the parents of Tomás de Villalobos Martín del Campo who married Francisca Tiscareño Romo de Vivar, 15 May 1689 in Aguascalientes, and was the person that became the owner of La Mesa Redonda or La Mesa de los Villalobos.

Saludos,
Armando

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Armando

Thank you very much for all this information. I think we can conclude that the line of Juan de Anda and Maria de Ortega ends at this point, and it remains unknown if he is connected to the Anda Altamirano family.

I appreciate the detail with the references.

George Fulton

Published by R.A.Ricci (not verified) – Mon, 2016-10-31 02:20 | Permalink

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Dear Armando,

Thank you very much for your detailed response, I did not have Catalina Rodriguez de Salcedo's ancestors so this is great news for my tree as she is an ancestor of mine.

Thanks again,

Rick

Published by R.A.Ricci (not verified) – Sat, 2016-10-29 21:09 | Permalink

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Dear George,

Check the names of the padrinos in the baptismal records. You just might find a Fernandez de Rueda on one of the records.

Rick

Published by R.A.Ricci (not verified) – Sat, 2016-10-29 22:15 | Permalink

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The Juan de Anda that is married to Catalina Rodriguez de Salcedo is the son of Alonso Fernandez de Rueda and Ana de Anda Altamirano.

This Juan de Anda Altamirano is baptized on 2/Aug/1636 and does not have many children in my records. He could have become a widower and remarried. Or he could have been married previously.

This Juan is from the same location as the one married to Maria Ortega y Espinosa.

This juan is married in about 1678 and because of his perceived birthdate he most likely had a previous marriage and his first wife could have been your Maria Ortega. Do you have a death record on Maria Ortega? Is Maria Ortega recorded as still being alive when her children marry? Ther are many records that need to be checked to look for more clues.

I do have another Juan de Anda in my records in that period of time and in that location. Both Juan de Andas are related. This Juan de Anda is uncle to the one above. He is married to Isabel Martinez de Alarcon.

Published by R.A.Ricci (not verified) – Sun, 2016-10-30 02:01 | Permalink

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George,
I didn't find any additional clues in the marriage record. Check all the kids baptismal records for their padrinos and witnesses. There also may be dispensations that may identify who his parents are.

Good luck,
Rick

Published by R.A.Ricci (not verified) – Sat, 2016-10-29 20:03 | Permalink

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Dear George,

I looked at my records to look up the Juan De Anda that had taken his mother's surname. This Juan de Anda is married. But he does not have many children with this wife. Does the marriage record of Juan de Anda and Maria Ortega y Espinosa show that he was widowed? Can you send me the link or image number so that I may check out the marriage record? The surname that I was looking for is Fernandez or Hernandez.

Thanks,
Rick

Published by R.A.Ricci (not verified) – Sat, 2016-10-29 18:14 | Permalink

Comment

Dear George,

Some of the de Anda male members actually took the surname from their mother. I don't remember the details and need to look up many records to see if Juan was from this family. The time and location seems to fit though. Did any of their children use a different surname?

Rick A. Ricci

Published by dcalonso – Sat, 2016-10-29 18:21 | Permalink

Comment

Juan de Anda and Maria de Ortega had a daughter that was also named Maria de Ortega. She married Bartolo de Salas in 1690 in Santa Maria de los Lagos.

Danny C. Alonso

Published by R.A.Ricci (not verified) – Sat, 2016-10-29 18:36 | Permalink

Comment

And another daughter of Juan de Anda and Maria de Ortega Espinosa used the surname Espinoza. When I asked about a different surname I meant a surname other than de Anda, Ortega, or Espiniza.

Published by gpf13 – Sat, 2016-10-29 19:33 | Permalink

Comment

This daughter is Josepha de Espinosa who married Miguel de Villalobos on 16 Sep 1680 in Lagos de Moreno. As far as I know the others used the surname de Anda.

George

Sayula 1800s History and Population

Published by raynababette –
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Hi! Are there any resources that cover the population and history of Sayula, Jalisco, in the 1800s? Does anyone know who I would contact in Sayula that might know that kind of information?

Comments

Published by Placencia1959 – Sat, 2016-11-12 15:04 | Permalink

Comment

Hola:

I need help finding out about Juan Antonio Thores de Escobar married to Getruidis Cordero in Bautista, Sombrerete, Zacatecas, Mexico. I need to know his parents name around 1700. They are my 7th generation grandparents.

I also help finding Ysidro Placencia married to Gertrudis Rodgriguez around 1710.
They are my 8th generation grandparents. I need to know Ysidro Placencia's parents.
Mil gracias,
Prima Olga Torres

Comment

Thank you for responding to my post Linda Castanon-Long. I have used the familysearch.org resources.

What I am really looking for, at this time, is a local history of Sayula, with more detailed information than I am finding online. I would love to find family histories if something like that was available. I am also wondering what the population was in the mid 1800s of Sayula. 1,000? 10,000? 50,000?

Thank you!

Babette

Comment

this book says the population of Sayula was 47,360 in 1793 so it was probly
higher in the mid 1800s:

https://books.google.com/books?id=5f1FavRJBGMC&pg=PA219&lpg=PA219&dq=po…

Danny C. Alonso

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 4:15 PM, wrote:

> Thank you for responding to my post Linda Castanon-Long. I have used the
> familysearch.org resources. What I am really looking for, at this time,
> is a
> local history of Sayula, with more detailed information than I am finding
> online. I would love to find family histories if something like that was
> available. I am also wondering what the population was in the mid 1800s of
> Sayula. 1,000? 10,000? 50,000? Thank you! Babette
>

Ameca, Protofundacion Mexicana

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I just found out that the book "Ameca, Protofundacion Mexicana" by Jesus Amaya Topete is now available to view on Google books.

Comments

Published by Salvador94 – Tue, 2016-11-08 12:52 | Permalink

Comment

Hola Steve,

Te agradezco el anuncio. Estaba emocionado por leer la versión completa pero sólo se presenta como extractos del libro, es difícil seguir la secuencia del contenido de esa manera...

Es una obra por la que he tenido mucho interés en consultar desde hace bastante tiempo, SI ALGUIEN TIENE EL LIBRO ORIGINAL O UNA COPIA, LE AGRADECERÍA ME LO COMUNICARA Y ESTARÍA DISPUESTO A PAGARLE LAS COPIAS Y EL ENVÍO DE LAS MISMAS.

Mucho éxito en sus investigaciones,

Saludos!
Enrique Agraz

Comment

Enrique Agraz, si copias y pegas el enlace siguiente te envia a la version completa del libro: https://books.google.com/books?id=8IpnAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA256&lpg=PA256&dq=en…

Por alguna razon, en otros enlaces aparece una version parcial del libro, pero si buscas en google por "enriquez topete" te aparecera el enlace a la version completa. Como sea, la direccion que puse arriba te lleva directamente.

Saludos.

Published by sarod77 – Mon, 2016-11-07 17:12 | Permalink

Comment

on page 115 it mentions Alonso de Avalos and the second wife. Was a connection every made to Sebastian de Avalos or any of the other Avalos? I lost track. Thanks.

Comment

This book looks good. Besides the Ávalos, there are lots of other people
mentioned that connect to our area like the Flores de la Torre, Villaseñor,
and lots of others.

Danny C. Alonso

On Monday, November 7, 2016, > wrote:

> on page 115 it mentions Alonso de Avalos and the second wife. Was a
> connection every made to Sebastian de Avalos or any of the other Avalos? I
> lost track. Thanks.
>

Right Wing Screeds

Published by Laura Gonzalez –
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I tire of the right wing screed that is Somos Primos.

But first, let's talk about terrorism. It's not like the Muslims have a
corner on this market.

Comments

Published by R.A.Ricci (not verified) – Sat, 2016-11-05 09:33 | Permalink

Comment

Ridiculous statement "Islamic Inspired Wars"
Submitted by R.A.Ricci on Sat, 2016-11-05 03:48.
I believe that Somos Primos is a valuable source of information but it does have a poor choice of words in this issue.

I can see why many people are offended by the statement: "As I view the brutality and devastation caused by Islamic inspired wars" because it implies that the terrorism that is being done is inspired by the Muslim religion when it is fanatics that are not in any sense spiritual that are waging this war. The terrorists are not following The Islamic faith. This statement is the type of statement that would come out of Trump's mouth.

Somos Primos was the first to make a political statement here so people responding to this outrageous statement should not be told to not respond to it. Nuestrosranchos can't expect a post of "Somos Primos" to make such an inappropriate statement and not expect someone to respond.

This is a repeat of when some members made inappropriate comments regarding Jews and then we were told to stop the discussion as it didn't have to do with genealogy. It did have to do with genealogy. I am a descendant of many of the founding settlers of Nueva Galicia and many of them had ancestors that practiced Islamic or Jewish religions. People have a right to stand up and say that their religion is not being treated with the respect it deserves. I am not Jewish, and I am not A Muslim but I will speak up for them. Most of the ancestors that we are studying have some Jewish or Muslim ancestors.

Comment

Why is Islamic Inspired Wars ridiculous? Again, did I miss something? Were they Lutheran inspired wars? Presbyterian inspired wars? Perhaps the Methodists were the cause? The only ridiculous statement is suggesting that it's a ridiculous statement and of course the other ridiculous statement suggesting that white Christians are responsible for the majority of terror.

Paige

Comment

Dear Paige,

I have a French ancestor who fought against heresy in France in the name of Catholicism. He committed a terrorist act when he locked the townspeople in the church they had all gathered in thinking that it was sacred land and that they would be safe. He burned the church down with everyone still in it. When someone said that many of the people in the church may have been true Catholics he responded by saying that God would judge their faith and if they were true Catholics then they would go to heaven.

This was an act of terrorism and not had nothing to do with what Christ preached. But according to your standards it would be appropriate to call this a Catholic inspired war. But I disagree. Just because a terrorist states that their inspiration is their religion that does not mean that the religion was the actual inspiration. Catholicism, Christianity, Islam and Judaism are not inspirations for terrorism. These religions do not condone terrorist acts.

Rick A. Ricci

Comment

Well, yes in your example if someone commits an act of terror in the name of the Catholic Church, than that would be Catholic terror. I assume you must be an academic of some kind, and probably Laura too, since you both seem desperate to prove a point that is relatively unprovable. Sadly, in the case of Islam, I don't have to go back to the Dark Ages to prove my point. In fact, that seems to be the problem, while most religions have moved out of the Dark Ages, one seems most committed to staying.

Paige

Comment

Dear Paige,

You are correct in assuming that I am an "academic."
It is my hope that Mimi Lozano continues posting "Somos Primos" on this site as the political slants don't bother me. However, I do hope that Mimi Lozano understands that the words that are used could be taken as an attack on a religion and that has no place on a site dedicated to genealogical research.

Rick A. Ricci

Comment

I recommend everyone send their concern to Somos Primos and let them know your dissatisfaction with the way their newsletter is heading. I know I did. I let them know the magazine should remain a genealogy information newsletter without personal opinions about politics. I completely enjoy their very informative genealogy platform.

Comment

I'm pretty sure she's been called out on this before, but it seems that she continues to exploit her audience that comes to Somos Primos for genealogy information. She needs to remember...somos primos. Irony?

Esterada, O.S.

Comment

OK.  I'm on the mailing list, and Mimi sends me Somos Primos every month a day or two before the first and I love receiving it.It's the best, most comprehensive way of knowing what's going on in the varied arena of our Latino interests.  The only time I wasconcerned was when I read the International section (usually the last one) of the newsletter .  For a while, it seems that it did concern itself in a very angry way with the perceived negative aspects of the spreading of Sharia Law in different parts of the world.  I don't know enough about Sharia Law to have an intelligent opinion, so I made it a point to omit reading the International section, notwanting to be influenced one way or another.  The vast majority of the Somos Primos content is, in my humble opinion, balanced and fair and Iwouldn't want to lose this valuable resource and therefore thank Mimi for all her efforts.Alice Bravo-Blake 

On Monday, November 7, 2016 7:32 AM, "eltobias2003@hotmail.com" wrote:

I'm pretty sure she's been called out on this before, but it seems that she
continues to exploit her audience that comes to Somos Primos for genealogy
information. She needs to remember...somos primos. Irony? Esterada, O.S.

Comment

OK.  I'm on the mailing list, and Mimi sends me Somos Primos every month a day or two before the first and I love receiving it.It's the best, most comprehensive way of knowing what's going on in the varied arena of our Latino interests.  The only time I wasconcerned was when I read the International section (usually the last one) of the newsletter .  For a while, it seems that it did concern itself in a very angry way with the perceived negative aspects of the spreading of Sharia Law in different parts of the world.  I don't know enough about Sharia Law to have an intelligent opinion, so I made it a point to omit reading the International section, notwanting to be influenced one way or another.  The vast majority of the Somos Primos content is, in my humble opinion, balanced and fair and Iwouldn't want to lose this valuable resource and therefore thank Mimi for all her efforts.Alice Bravo-Blake 

On Monday, November 7, 2016 7:32 AM, "eltobias2003@hotmail.com" wrote:

I'm pretty sure she's been called out on this before, but it seems that she
continues to exploit her audience that comes to Somos Primos for genealogy
information. She needs to remember...somos primos. Irony? Esterada, O.S.

Published by El Peregrino (not verified) – Mon, 2016-11-07 13:21 | Permalink

Comment

I think we can all agree that SP has been a good source of information at times.

What concerns me that a website dedicated to genealogical and historical research veers off into political and religious personal opinion so often.

Someone here wrote that this is a "free country" and that Mimi and her contributors can express themselves as they see fit....and that person was correct. But, then SP should not be presented as a research newsletter, but more of a blog or forum with the disclaimer that the entries are the personal opinions of she and her contributors.

The other thing that concerns me is that there is no sign of fact checking, nor is their counter point to some of the content.

Some on also wrote about not knowing enough about a subject ( Sharia Law in this case) to have what they considered an intelligent opinion. In this regard, maybe the one positive in all of this is that people will choose to learn more about certain subjects than to take the opinion of Somos Primos as the only "truth" . Real knowledge on any subject comes with hard work and study, and that has it's own rewards.

Given the fact that others have taken the time to share similar feelings, there is obviously a problem.

The irony in this is that to promote something called "Somos Primos" then dedicate time to thinly veiled rhetoric against certain groups is disturbing. Fanaticism of any kind is deplorable, whether it's Christian or Muslim.

If we're going to reflect on history that is pertinent to all of us here, let's look to a brief moment when in Al-Andalus (Medieval Southern Spain) Jew, Christian and Muslim found a way to live together.

It was by no means paradise and not without it's share of conflict, but there are lessons to be learned nonetheless.

Going forward I'd like to see religion and current politics left out of this "genealogical and historical" research newsletter. If not, call it a blog and have full disclosure on the content. I'd like to read something that will take me away from the strife going on in the world. If I want political or religious rhetoric it's not in short supply, not hard to find.

Many here have said "If you don't like it....don't read it." You are all correct, I'll choose not to read it.

Finally, for anyone who has had their DNA analyzed, I'm sure more than a few members here have some genetic kinship to those ethnic groups who are being vilified....Somos Primos indeed.

Robert Gonzalez~

Comment

Way to go, Roberto! I agree with you.
Esther Lopez Jordan
esther@enhanced.org

On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 12:21 PM, wrote:

> I think we can all agree that SP has been a good source of information at
> times. What concerns me that a website dedicated to genealogical and
> historical research veers off into political and religious personal opinion
> so often. Someone here wrote that this is a "free country" and that Mimi
> and
> her contributors can express themselves as they see fit....and that person
> was correct. But, then SP should not be presented as a research newsletter,
> but more of a blog or forum with the disclaimer that the entries are the
> personal opinions of she and her contributors. The other thing that
> concerns
> me is that there is no sign of fact checking, nor is their counter point to
> some of the content. Some on also wrote about not knowing enough about a
> subject ( Sharia Law in this case) to have what they considered an
> intelligent opinion. In this regard, maybe the one positive in all of this
> is
> that people will choose to learn more about certain subjects than to take
> the
> opinion of Somos Primos as the only "truth" . Real knowledge on any subject
> comes with hard work and study, and that has it's own rewards. Given the
> fact
> that others have taken the time to share similar feelings, there is
> obviously
> a problem. The irony in this is that to promote something called "Somos
> Primos" then dedicate time to thinly veiled rhetoric against certain groups
> is disturbing. Fanaticism of any kind is deplorable, whether it's Christian
> or Muslim. If we're going to reflect on history that is pertinent to all of
> us here, let's look to a brief moment when in Al-Andalus (Medieval Southern
> Spain) Jew, Christian and Muslim found a way to live together. It was by no
> means paradise and not without it's share of conflict, but there are
> lessons
> to be learned nonetheless. Going forward I'd like to see religion and
> current
> politics left out of this "genealogical and historical" research
> newsletter.
> If not, call it a blog and have full disclosure on the content. I'd like to
> read something that will take me away from the strife going on in the
> world.
> If I want political or religious rhetoric it's not in short supply, not
> hard
> to find. Many here have said "If you don't like it....don't read it." You
> are
> all correct, I'll choose not to read it. Finally, for anyone who has had
> their DNA analyzed, I'm sure more than a few members here have some genetic
> kinship to those ethnic groups who are being vilified....Somos Primos
> indeed.
> Robert Gonzalez~
>

Comment

Roberto and Esther,i agree with both your comments.

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 1:43 PM, Esther Jordan wrote: Way to go, Roberto!  I agree with you.
Esther Lopez Jordan
esther@enhanced.org

On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 12:21 PM, wrote:

> I think we can all agree that SP has been a good source of information at
> times. What concerns me that a website dedicated to genealogical and
> historical research veers off into political and religious personal opinion
> so often. Someone here wrote that this is a "free country" and that Mimi
> and
> her contributors can express themselves as they see fit....and that person
> was correct. But, then SP should not be presented as a research newsletter,
> but more of a blog or forum with the disclaimer that the entries are the
> personal opinions of she and her contributors. The other thing that
> concerns
> me is that there is no sign of fact checking, nor is their counter point to
> some of the content. Some on also wrote about not knowing enough about a
> subject ( Sharia Law in this case) to have what they considered an
> intelligent opinion. In this regard, maybe the one positive in all of this
> is
> that people will choose to learn more about certain subjects than to take
> the
> opinion of Somos Primos as the only "truth" . Real knowledge on any subject
> comes with hard work and study, and that has it's own rewards. Given the
> fact
> that others have taken the time to share similar feelings, there is
> obviously
> a problem. The irony in this is that to promote something called "Somos
> Primos" then dedicate time to thinly veiled rhetoric against certain groups
> is disturbing. Fanaticism of any kind is deplorable, whether it's Christian
> or Muslim. If we're going to reflect on history that is pertinent to all of
> us here, let's look to a brief moment when in Al-Andalus (Medieval Southern
> Spain) Jew, Christian and Muslim found a way to live together. It was by no
> means paradise and not without it's share of conflict, but there are
> lessons
> to be learned nonetheless. Going forward I'd like to see religion and
> current
> politics left out of this "genealogical and historical" research
> newsletter.
> If not, call it a blog and have full disclosure on the content. I'd like to
> read something that will take me away from the strife going on in the
> world.
> If I want political or religious rhetoric it's not in short supply, not
> hard
> to find. Many here have said "If you don't like it....don't read it." You
> are
> all correct, I'll choose not to read it. Finally, for anyone who has had
> their DNA analyzed, I'm sure more than a few members here have some genetic
> kinship to those ethnic groups who are being vilified....Somos Primos
> indeed.
> Robert Gonzalez~
>

Published by R.A.Ricci (not verified) – Sat, 2016-11-05 00:09 | Permalink

Comment

Many of the first settlers were cutthroats. Many of the first settlers did some things that we descendants find very offensive. Many people, from the left and right, are going to be very offended by the actions of some of their ancestors.

Politics and history are a part of the study of genealogy. Though I consider myself a moderate, I present both "right" and "left" sides of my ancestry. In my chapters on my De la Torre Ledesma ancestry I present both sides at the same time in a very dramatic piece of history. I descend from the main characters on both sides of this World changing incident. I say world changing because even though the events of that day only had immediate consequences for Spain, the repercussions of that event were felt many years later as the Europeans spread out to the Americas. King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella would not have been on the throne if not for what happened that day in history. History was changed by an "Amiga", and a flip of a wrist.

As to differing political beliefs, I find it invigorating to challenge the beliefs of people on the right, left, and even moderates. A good debate of opposing views is a wonderful opportunity to expand your horizons. I advise you to engage people in conversations, maybe even try taking the opposing side in a discussion as it can do wonders in helping create an understanding of why others hold an opposing opinion.

I have also been offended from some views expressed on this site, but this community is a diverse one as it is represented by people from all walks of life, and all levels of education. The antisemitism expressed by some members on this site bothered me so much that I even left nuestrosranchos for a few years because of those comments. I got over it because I find it very rewarding to collaborate with many of the members of this site.

I continue to find Jews and conversos in the ancestry of the first European settlers in Nueva Galicia. My book is of interest to those who want the truth about the ancestry of many of the founding families of Nueva Galicia.

R.A.Ricci

Published by makas_nc – Thu, 2016-11-03 15:00 | Permalink

Comment

Let's move away from topics of discussion that are not genealogy centered.

Lots of groups out there that would welcome discussion along these lines.

Thanks,

Joseph Puentes

> -----Original Message-----
> From: General [mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On
> Behalf Of Laura Gonzalez
> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 6:34 PM
> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Right Wing Screeds
>
> I tire of the right wing screed that is Somos Primos.
>
> But first, let's talk about terrorism. It's not like the Muslims have a
> corner on this market. Most terrorism in the USA is by white Christian
> males. Shall we talk about the atrocities that our own soldiers have
> committed? In the ME, in Vietnam? Here's the legacy of our involvement
> in Vietnam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aj72E8Xr_xw Look at those
> children and tell me we have no blood on our hands.
>
> As Christ himself said, "Let the one among you who is without sin be
> the first to throw a stone."
>
> Let's revisit 2000 years of Christian history and come up with examples
> of Christians doing horrific things. I'm sure we could fill volumes.
>
> lg
>
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> > Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:19 PM
> > To: mimilozano@aol.com
> > Subject: Somos Primos November 2016 (lq1)
> >
> > Somos Primos, November 2016 Click here: Somos Primos
> > http://www.somosprimos.com/sp2016/spnov16/spnov16.htm
> >
> > Dear Friends and Family:
> >
> > November 1-2 are observed as Dias de Los Muertos , honoring the
> memories of our loved ones.
> > and November 11th is Veteran's Day, set aside to honor our Veterans.
> >
> > Words can not express my gratitude to those men and women who
> dedicate
> > their lives to protecting our country. As I view the brutality and
> > devastation caused by Islamic inspired wars, I realize that we can
> never repay our veterans for the horrors forever etched in their
> memories. Please pray with me that our in-coming government will
> attempt to provide for all the needs of our Veterans, and we will
> fulfill our obligations to them will be set in place.
> >
> > I give thanks for being born in the United States of Mexican Heritage
> with a proud history of 500 years of familia contributions to the
> development of the Americas.
> > I give thanks for the technological and scientific developments which
> have provided the means for me to learn of my roots and appreciate mis
> antipasados, for their sacrifices and accomplishments.
> > I give thanks for the Christian foundations of our nation, and our
> inspired Constitution.
> > I give thanks for our varied/ diverse educational systems, giving
> all opportunities to improve their lives.
> > I give thanks for family and friend who strengthen and support me.
> > I give thanks to you, readers of Somos Primos, who encourage my
> efforts and share information.
> >
> > Let us all pray that the Lord will have His Hand on the outcome of
> the election.
> > God bless America that it will continue to be a stabilizing force in
> the world.
> >
> > Mimi
> >
> > TABLE OF CONTENTS, November 2016
> >
> > UNITED STATES
> > ACLU Outrage: A Mountaintop Christian Victory Over the ACLU Chapman
> > University's third annual Survey of American Fears Pew Research
> Center
> > Report: Individual income tax statistics, by income group
> Smithsonian
> > Latino Center 2015 Annual Report
> >
> > Mexican "Repatriation" of the 1930s: 45 Years of Advocacy by M.
> > Guadalupe Espinoza
> > Open Letter of Concern to the Pro Football Hall of Fame
> > Administrators, Voters, The NFL, Sportswriters and the General Public
> > from Dr. Mario Longoria
> >
> > Don Eleuterio Escobar, Seed planted in 1915 for Liga Pro-Defensa
> Escolar / School Improvement League by Gilberto Quezada Domingo E.
> Pena, Memories by daughter, Rose Everett Alonso S. Perales, Civil
> rights lawyer-fighter for Mexican Americans by Gilberto Quezada "El
> Mexico Americano y la Politica del Sur de Texas" Lic. Alonso S.
> > Perales, Octubre 1931
> >
> > 7th annual Digital Media & Learning Conference at UCI, Digital
> > Dreamers by Mimi Ko Cruz Convention of States held September 26th
> > Defaced dollar bill should be refused Spanish language is the oldest
> > non Indian language spoken of the United States
> >
> > HERITAGE PROJECTS
> > Horses & Heroes by Robin Collins
> > CAREM / El Camino Real de las Californias as World Heritage Site
> > Update Latinos in Heritage Conservation: Reunion 2016, November 18-19
> > Houston, Texas America's Most Endangered Historic Places
> >
> > HISTORIC TIDBITS
> > Photo: Policemen inspect a 'lumber truck' during prohibition (1926)
> > Los Esclavos Olvidados de America, Los Irlandeses
> > Irish: The Forgotten White Slaves
> >
> > HISPANIC LEADERS
> > Regardless of their faith, terminal patients find comfort with
> Sisters
> > of the Servants of Mary
> >
> > AMERICAN PATRIOTS
> > Photo: US soldier offering his hand to a woman leaving a cave
> > Unreal: Pentagon Demands Soldiers Repay Bonuses WWII Spitfire Pilot
> >
> > EARLY LATINO PATRIOTS
> > Spanish and Mexican Land Grants by Joe Perez Who was the "Protector
> > and Defender of U.S. independence"? by José Antonio López Judge
> Edward
> > F. Butler, 37th TX Hispanic Genealogical & Historical Conference
> >
> > SURNAMES
> > IX Reunion Internacional de los Elizondo Apellido Pastor Apellido
> > Bonis
> >
> > DNA
> > Genes and Mestizos by Carlos López Beltrán Genetic history of the
> > Iberian Peninsula
> >
> > FAMILY HISTORY
> > Twile Integrates with FamilySearch
> >
> > EDUCATION
> > Educators fight textbook that vilifies Mexican Americans by Sabrina
> > Holcomb Pórtate Bienwritten by Sylvia Castañeda Reaching their STEM
> > potential by Nina Agrawal
> >
> > CULTURE
> > Sacred Image Cast Through Several Lenses by Antonie Boessenkool
> Conjunto & Orquesta: Music and Tejano Identity: "What Are We?
> > Historia de 'Adelita' la personaje del famoso corrido.
> >
> > BOOKS AND PRINT MEDIA
> > The International Latino Book Awards
> > The 2016 NAHP Convention, Allen, Texas, October 19-22, Jose Marti
> > Publishing Awards Recognizing Rudolfo Anaya, the Godfather of Chicano
> > Letters by Rigoberto Gonzalez Irma's Story Irma's Story, American by
> > Birth Hispanic by Choice by Peter B . Gawenda Cuando Éramos
> > Invencibles por Jesús A. Rojo Pinilla White Cargo by Don Jordan and
> > Michael Walsh Mujeres de la Edad Media: actividades políticas,
> > socioeconómicas y culturales
> > co-authors: Maira del Carmen Garcia Herrero y Cristina Perez Galan La
> > Cruzada Océano José Javier Esparaza
> >
> > ORANGE COUNTY, CA
> > November 2: Dia De Los Muertos, Segerstrom Center for the Arts
> > November 5: 2016 Orange County Hispanic Women of the Year November
> 12:
> > Linda Serna, How to dispel myths & solve genealogy Research Mysteries
> > in November 12: El Premio Agustin Lara, Bowers Museum, Santa Ana OC
> > Hispanic Bar Assn's Wallace (Wally) R. Davis Memorial Scholarship,
> Nov
> > 18 Deadline Santa Ana library adapts to serve immigrant families,
> > youth, by Heather Folmar Dr. Jose F. Moreno, Anaheim City Council
> > District 3
> >
> > LOS ANGELES COUNTY
> > Advocate hopes to change lives of juvenile hall detainees through
> > library by Zoila Gallegos Long Road to New Start, once homeless teen
> > set to attend UC Davis by Joy Resmovits Quetzalcoatl Mural Project to
> > Undergo Restoration Cast your vote today for LA's first historic
> > pedestrian pathway
> >
> > CALIFORNIA
> > Bringing Luz written by Sylvia Castañeda Juan Rodriguez Cabrillo y El
> > Descubrimiento de California La Conquista De California, General
> > Historia de los Estados Unidos
> >
> > NORTHWESTERN, US
> > Pacífico Norte, 1775-1795
> > Explorer North, Explorer's Guide to the North: Feature articles by
> Dr.
> > Arsenio Rey Tejerina
> >
> > Family History Library Begins Construction of New Discovery Center
> >
> > SOUTHWESTERN, US
> > Storm's Edge: Descriptive Bibliography, Revolutionary Era, Old
> > Southwest Borderlands & Beyond by Bob England
> >
> > TEXAS
> > Nov. 11-13: National 41st Anniversary Meeting: Los Granaderos y
> Damas
> > de Galvez Blasones y Apellidos: 37th Texas State Hispanic
> > Genealogical Historical Conference Remembering the Lozano Home by
> > Daisy Wanda Garcia DRT Library Collection Has a New Home AARP Rudi
> > Rodriguez, Hispanic Heritage Profile Voters overwhelmingly approve
> > annexation Emerald Green Flag of the First Texas Republic A San
> > Antonio landmark in danger Los tres, Joseph de Urrutia by John Inclan
> >
> > MIDDLE AMERICA
> > The Learning Years 1945-1950, Kansas: No 3 "That is a Blue Tick
> Hound"
> > by Rudy Padilla
> >
> > EAST COAST
> > Spain's Gift to Catholic New York by Miguel Hernandez Esteban Gómez,
> > Exploración De Toda La Costa Este The Founding of the Castillo de San
> > Marcos Ponce de León desembarca en La Florida Lucas Vázquez De
> Ayllón,
> > Fundación Del Primer Asentamiento Español en Norteamérica
> >
> > AFRICAN-AMERICAN
> > October 24th, 1952 Austin African-American Colleges Merge Rosenwald
> > Schools Enews, October, 2016
> >
> > INDIGENOUS
> > October 7th, 1759 - Indians defeat Spanish force on Red River
> > 1868 Native American viewing newly completed transcontinental
> railroad
> > Regarding the location of Aztlan by Ray Padilla
> >
> > SEPHARDIC
> > Sephardic Jewish Brotherhood of America American Sephardi Federation
> > We . . . Spanish Jews, poem by Max Storm
> >
> > ARCHAEOLOGY
> > Prehistoria Novo Hispano/the location of Aztlan by Alfonso Rivas
> Salmón.
> >
> > MEXICO
> > La ceremonia y fotos del 170 Aniversario de la Batalla de Monterrey
> de
> > 1846
> > La Portada del Libro XVII de Bautismos, Parroquia del Real de San
> Josè
> > del Parral Saints and Heros: Jose Sanchez del Rio, Hero for Christ
> the
> > King by Elias Rubio Constantino Fidencio: Hermanos del Heroico
> Colegio
> > Militar
> >
> > Tres fotografías del año de 1924 tomadas por el Sr. A.V. Carmona,
> Saltillo, Coah.
> > Arts of Colonial Mexico by Richard Perry Description of and partial
> > census of part of Coahuila Colegio Civil Centro Cultural
> > Universitario, 19 de Septiembre
> >
> > CARIBBEAN REGION
> > Loreta Janeta Velazquez, Disguised as Confederate Soldier Lieutenant
> > Harry T Buford
> >
> > CENTRAL & SOUTH AMERICA
> > Mayan artifacts are sent home by Ruben Vives ¿Por qué algunos países
> de América Latina usan el 'vos' en vez del 'tú'?
> > por Analia Llorente
> >
> > OCEANIC PACIFIC
> > Hispanidad: España tuvo la primera mujer Almirante de la historia La
> > expedición de Loaysa, de Andrés de Urdaneta,de Villalobos, de Legazpi
> >
> > PHILIPPINES
> > Philippines rated by the HSBC as 5 Top Picks by Expatriates by Eddie
> AAA Calderon, Ph.D.
> > La historia de las expediciones salidas de Nueva España a la
> colonización de las Filipinas.
> >
> > SPAIN
> > Los mayores descubridores del mundo
> > La Madre Patria Hispana
> > España no puede permitir que siga intacta una leyenda negra de 500
> años La Casa de la Contratación y su relevancia en el contexto la
> Carrera de Indias.
> >
> > INTERNATIONAL
> > Brigitte Gabriel Officially Knighted
> > A Warning from Dick Smith, Australia
> > Refugees? Or an Occupation Army? by Maria Polizoidou The Ticking
> > Time Bomb of Islamization by Yves Mamou
> >
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Joseph, I whole heartedly agree with you, but with all due respect, that is exactly the point.

Much of what is featured on Somos Primos has little if anything to do with genealogy or history, and what small percentage does seems to be lacking in historical validity.

I am very interested in a web publication that enriches my knowledge and understanding of our wonderful culture, but have no interest in weeding through someone's political opinions, religious fervor and social views to get a morsel.

You are completely correct, there are plenty of sites out there which would welcome the political, religious and social views expressed on Somos Primos, let's please stick to historical and genealogical research exclusively.

Until then...I'm no longer interested in receiving it.

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You first, Joseph. How about removing *your* political views from your
*genealogy* newsletter?

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> But first, let's talk about terrorism. It's not like the Muslims have a
> corner on this market. Most terrorism in the USA is by white Christian
> males. Shall we talk about the atrocities that our own soldiers have
> committed? In the ME, in Vietnam? Here's the legacy of our involvement
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> children and tell me we have no blood on our hands.
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> As Christ himself said, "Let the one among you who is without sin be
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> Let's revisit 2000 years of Christian history and come up with examples
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> Dear Friends and Family:
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> November 1-2 are observed as Dias de Los Muertos , honoring the memories of our loved ones. and November 11th is Veteran's Day, set aside to honor our Veterans.
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> Words can not express my gratitude to those men and women who dedicate their lives to protecting our country. As I view the brutality and
> devastation caused by Islamic inspired wars, I realize that we can never repay our veterans for the horrors forever etched in their
> memories. Please pray with me that our in-coming government will
> attempt to provide for all the needs of our Veterans, and we will
> fulfill our obligations to them will be set in place.
> I give thanks for being born in the United States of Mexican Heritage with a proud history of 500 years of familia contributions to the
> development of the Americas. I give thanks for the technological and scientific developments which have provided the means for me to learn of my roots and appreciate mis
> antipasados, for their sacrifices and accomplishments. I give thanks for the Christian foundations of our nation, and our inspired Constitution. I give thanks for our varied/ diverse educational systems, giving all opportunities to improve their lives. I give thanks for family and friend who strengthen and support me.
> I give thanks to you, readers of Somos Primos, who encourage my efforts and share information.
> Let us all pray that the Lord will have His Hand on the outcome of the election. God bless America that it will continue to be a stabilizing force in the world.
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> TABLE OF CONTENTS, November 2016
>
> UNITED STATES
> ACLU Outrage: A Mountaintop Christian Victory Over the ACLU Chapman
> University's third annual Survey of American Fears Pew Research Center Report: Individual income tax statistics, by income group Smithsonian Latino Center 2015 Annual Report
>
> Mexican "Repatriation" of the 1930s: 45 Years of Advocacy by M.
> Guadalupe Espinoza
> Open Letter of Concern to the Pro Football Hall of Fame
> Administrators, Voters, The NFL, Sportswriters and the General Public
> from Dr. Mario Longoria
>
> Don Eleuterio Escobar, Seed planted in 1915 for Liga Pro-Defensa Escolar / School Improvement League by Gilberto Quezada Domingo E.
> Pena, Memories by daughter, Rose Everett Alonso S. Perales, Civil
> rights lawyer-fighter for Mexican Americans by Gilberto Quezada "El
> Mexico Americano y la Politica del Sur de Texas" Lic. Alonso S. Perales, Octubre 1931
>
> 7th annual Digital Media & Learning Conference at UCI, Digital
> Dreamers by Mimi Ko Cruz Convention of States held September 26th
> Defaced dollar bill should be refused Spanish language is the oldest
> non Indian language spoken of the United States
>
> HERITAGE PROJECTS
> Horses & Heroes by Robin Collins
> CAREM / El Camino Real de las Californias as World Heritage Site
> Update Latinos in Heritage Conservation: Reunion 2016, November 18-19
> Houston, Texas America's Most Endangered Historic Places
>
> HISTORIC TIDBITS
> Photo: Policemen inspect a 'lumber truck' during prohibition (1926)
> Los Esclavos Olvidados de America, Los Irlandeses
> Irish: The Forgotten White Slaves
>
> HISPANIC LEADERS
> Regardless of their faith, terminal patients find comfort with Sisters of the Servants of Mary
>
> AMERICAN PATRIOTS
> Photo: US soldier offering his hand to a woman leaving a cave
> Unreal: Pentagon Demands Soldiers Repay Bonuses WWII Spitfire Pilot
>
> EARLY LATINO PATRIOTS
> Spanish and Mexican Land Grants by Joe Perez Who was the "Protector
> and Defender of U.S. independence"? by José Antonio López Judge Edward F. Butler, 37th TX Hispanic Genealogical & Historical Conference
>
> SURNAMES
> IX Reunion Internacional de los Elizondo Apellido Pastor Apellido
> Bonis
>
> DNA
> Genes and Mestizos by Carlos López Beltrán Genetic history of the
> Iberian Peninsula
>
> FAMILY HISTORY
> Twile Integrates with FamilySearch
>
> EDUCATION
> Educators fight textbook that vilifies Mexican Americans by Sabrina
> Holcomb Pórtate Bienwritten by Sylvia Castañeda Reaching their STEM
> potential by Nina Agrawal
>
> CULTURE
> Sacred Image Cast Through Several Lenses by Antonie Boessenkool Conjunto & Orquesta: Music and Tejano Identity: "What Are We? Historia de 'Adelita' la personaje del famoso corrido.
>
> BOOKS AND PRINT MEDIA
> The International Latino Book Awards
> The 2016 NAHP Convention, Allen, Texas, October 19-22, Jose Marti
> Publishing Awards Recognizing Rudolfo Anaya, the Godfather of Chicano
> Letters by Rigoberto Gonzalez Irma's Story Irma's Story, American by
> Birth Hispanic by Choice by Peter B . Gawenda Cuando Éramos
> Invencibles por Jesús A. Rojo Pinilla White Cargo by Don Jordan and
> Michael Walsh Mujeres de la Edad Media: actividades políticas,
> socioeconómicas y culturales
> co-authors: Maira del Carmen Garcia Herrero y Cristina Perez Galan La
> Cruzada Océano José Javier Esparaza
>
> ORANGE COUNTY, CA
> November 2: Dia De Los Muertos, Segerstrom Center for the Arts
> November 5: 2016 Orange County Hispanic Women of the Year November 12: Linda Serna, How to dispel myths & solve genealogy Research Mysteries
> in November 12: El Premio Agustin Lara, Bowers Museum, Santa Ana OC
> Hispanic Bar Assn's Wallace (Wally) R. Davis Memorial Scholarship, Nov 18 Deadline Santa Ana library adapts to serve immigrant families,
> youth, by Heather Folmar Dr. Jose F. Moreno, Anaheim City Council
> District 3
>
> LOS ANGELES COUNTY
> Advocate hopes to change lives of juvenile hall detainees through
> library by Zoila Gallegos Long Road to New Start, once homeless teen
> set to attend UC Davis by Joy Resmovits Quetzalcoatl Mural Project to
> Undergo Restoration Cast your vote today for LA's first historic
> pedestrian pathway
>
> CALIFORNIA
> Bringing Luz written by Sylvia Castañeda Juan Rodriguez Cabrillo y El
> Descubrimiento de California La Conquista De California, General
> Historia de los Estados Unidos
>
> NORTHWESTERN, US
> Pacífico Norte, 1775-1795
> Explorer North, Explorer's Guide to the North: Feature articles by Dr. Arsenio Rey Tejerina
>
> Family History Library Begins Construction of New Discovery Center
>
> SOUTHWESTERN, US
> Storm's Edge: Descriptive Bibliography, Revolutionary Era, Old
> Southwest Borderlands & Beyond by Bob England
>
> TEXAS
> Nov. 11-13: National 41st Anniversary Meeting: Los Granaderos y Damas de Galvez Blasones y Apellidos: 37th Texas State Hispanic
> Genealogical Historical Conference Remembering the Lozano Home by
> Daisy Wanda Garcia DRT Library Collection Has a New Home AARP Rudi
> Rodriguez, Hispanic Heritage Profile Voters overwhelmingly approve
> annexation Emerald Green Flag of the First Texas Republic A San
> Antonio landmark in danger Los tres, Joseph de Urrutia by John Inclan
>
> MIDDLE AMERICA
> The Learning Years 1945-1950, Kansas: No 3 "That is a Blue Tick Hound" by Rudy Padilla
>
> EAST COAST
> Spain's Gift to Catholic New York by Miguel Hernandez Esteban Gómez,
> Exploración De Toda La Costa Este The Founding of the Castillo de San
> Marcos Ponce de León desembarca en La Florida Lucas Vázquez De Ayllón, Fundación Del Primer Asentamiento Español en Norteamérica
>
> AFRICAN-AMERICAN
> October 24th, 1952 Austin African-American Colleges Merge Rosenwald
> Schools Enews, October, 2016
>
> INDIGENOUS
> October 7th, 1759 - Indians defeat Spanish force on Red River
> 1868 Native American viewing newly completed transcontinental railroad Regarding the location of Aztlan by Ray Padilla
>
> SEPHARDIC
> Sephardic Jewish Brotherhood of America American Sephardi Federation
> We . . . Spanish Jews, poem by Max Storm
>
> ARCHAEOLOGY
> Prehistoria Novo Hispano/the location of Aztlan by Alfonso Rivas Salmón.
> MEXICO
> La ceremonia y fotos del 170 Aniversario de la Batalla de Monterrey de 1846
> La Portada del Libro XVII de Bautismos, Parroquia del Real de San Josè del Parral Saints and Heros: Jose Sanchez del Rio, Hero for Christ the King by Elias Rubio Constantino Fidencio: Hermanos del Heroico Colegio Militar
>
> Tres fotografías del año de 1924 tomadas por el Sr. A.V. Carmona, Saltillo, Coah. Arts of Colonial Mexico by Richard Perry Description of and partial
> census of part of Coahuila Colegio Civil Centro Cultural
> Universitario, 19 de Septiembre
>
> CARIBBEAN REGION
> Loreta Janeta Velazquez, Disguised as Confederate Soldier Lieutenant
> Harry T Buford
>
> CENTRAL & SOUTH AMERICA
> Mayan artifacts are sent home by Ruben Vives ¿Por qué algunos países de América Latina usan el 'vos' en vez del 'tú'? por Analia Llorente
>
> OCEANIC PACIFIC
> Hispanidad: España tuvo la primera mujer Almirante de la historia La
> expedición de Loaysa, de Andrés de Urdaneta,de Villalobos, de Legazpi
>
> PHILIPPINES
> Philippines rated by the HSBC as 5 Top Picks by Expatriates by Eddie AAA Calderon, Ph.D. La historia de las expediciones salidas de Nueva España a la colonización de las Filipinas.
> SPAIN
> Los mayores descubridores del mundo
> La Madre Patria Hispana
> España no puede permitir que siga intacta una leyenda negra de 500 años La Casa de la Contratación y su relevancia en el contexto la
> Carrera de Indias.
> INTERNATIONAL
> Brigitte Gabriel Officially Knighted
> A Warning from Dick Smith, Australia
> Refugees? Or an Occupation Army? by Maria Polizoidou The Ticking
> Time Bomb of Islamization by Yves Mamou
>
> ------------------------------
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Published by oldcar53 – Thu, 2016-11-03 21:15 | Permalink

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Laura,

It's not Joseph's newsletter, he only forwards what he receives from Somos
Primos. He's not responsible for Mimi Lozano's comments. I would say that
you should take it up with Mimi Lozano, the owner and publisher of Somos
Primos.

Just remember, it's free speech and it's her newsletter and she can publish
whatever she wants to publish in her newsletter, whether we like it or not
or whether we agree with it or not.

Just my two centavos, take care-

Published by paigeherrera – Thu, 2016-11-03 22:30 | Permalink

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Did I miss something? What is so right wing about Somos Primos? Were there
hidden Trump ads that I missed?

Paige

Marriage record of Juan Miguel Luna y Lopez and Ana Luisa Diaz 1792

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Hello, I'm wondering if someone can help me read this marriage record. I am not yet able to read this type of writing well, especially the abbreviations.

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Published by R.A.Ricci (not verified) – Thu, 2016-10-27 08:37 | Permalink

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Dear Rayna,

After looking at many of the records on your ancestors I began to suspect that something was a little fishy. This morning, as soon as I got up, I put my hypothesis the test. It turns out that my hypothesis is correct.

It turns out that Juan Miguel Luna de Lopez's mother's name is Antonia Rosalia Lopez y Luna. Cayetano Lopez and Petrona Luna are the parents of Antonia (Antta) Rosalia Lopez y Luna. They are españoles. It seem that Antonia Rosalia gets together with someone that was not an español. She has a son that she names Juan Miguel Lopez de Luna. He is obviously born out of wedlock. On his marriage record she hides the fact that he was born out of wedlock and names her father as the father of Juan Miguel Luna y Lopez. She does give her name as the mother, not her mother's name.

So in other words, Juan Miguel Luna y Lopez, mestizo, has his dead maternal grandfather listed as his father on his marriage record. Here is the baptismal record for Antonia Lopez y Luna:

Antta. Rosalia Lopes Luna española
Gender Female
Christening Date 17 Jul 1735
Christening Place SAYULA,JALISCO,MEXICO
Father's Name Caietano Lopes
Mother's Name Petrona De Luna
Citing this Record
"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JSX2-9X8 : 12 December 2014), Antta. Rosalia Lopes Luna, 17 Jul 1735; citing SAYULA,JALISCO,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 224,934, 227,934.
Image 57 out off 547

Padrino Joseph Antonio Ponze and Maria Bernarda Gamez

Thanks for asking for help. I really enjoyed cracking this case.
Rick A. Ricci

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Rick A. Ricci,
I have been going over one of your answers to my query about the Juan Miguel de Luna y Lopez marriage record. The one I’ve been looking over is the one regarding his father. I’m not sure what sparked your curiosity about that, but let’s see if the following is correct: 1) The baptismal records of his daughter, Maria Bicenta did not show grandparents, and I have not yet found the baptismal record of Jose Maria Lopez; 2) the baptismal record (which you found) of a son, Jose Mathias Leandro showed his paternal grandmother as Anna Rosalia Lopes; 3) the marriage record of Juan Miguel and Anna Luisa Diaz showed his father to be Calettano Lopes; 4) you then searched and found the baptismal record of Anna Rosalia Lopes which shows her father to be Calettano Lopes and her mother as Petrona de Luna; 5) that record confirmed to you that Juan Miguel’s father is not Calettano Lopes.
I found another daughter today, Maria Rafaela de Los Angeles Lopez and it shows the abuelos paternos as no conocidos.
Where do we establish that Juan Miguel de Luna y Lopez is mestizo?
Also, I have not found the informacion matrimonial.

Thank you again for all of your help!
Rayna Babette Allen

Comment

Dear Rayna,

Juan Miguel de Luna y Lopez is identified as mestizo in his marriage record. His mother's baptismal records clearly identify her and her parents as españoles.

Rick A. Ricci

Comment

I thought you said on Oct. 26, the one that starts with Answers to my questions: Español originally from and resident of this pueblo.

Rayna Babette Allen

Comment

Dear Rayna,

You are correct, the marriage record does name him as español and the parents named españoles, but that is his maternal grandfather and not his father. In another record I don't recall which, he is clearly identified as Mestizo. I would have to go back and research which record that was. His mother and maternal grandparents are españoles.

Rick A. Ricci

Published by R.A.Ricci (not verified) – Wed, 2016-10-26 10:02 | Permalink

Comment

Answers to your questions:

Español originally from and resident of this pueblo

Mothers name Ana Bernarda Aleman

Ana Luisa Diaz Español originally from and resident of this pueblo and a legitimate daughter of

Españoles

Here are some reads that you maw ant to check out:

Antonio Valerio Dias Aleman
Gender Male
Christening Date 14 Feb 1765
Christening Place SAYULA,JALISCO,MEXICO
Father's Name Nicolas Dias
Mother's Name Bernarda Aleman
Citing this Record
"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NV99-BZ5 : 12 December 2014), Bernarda Aleman in entry for Antonio Valerio Dias Aleman, 14 Feb 1765; citing SAYULA,JALISCO,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 224,936.

Maria Josepha Rafaela Dias Aleman
Gender Female
Christening Date 16 Apr 1760
Christening Place SAYULA,JALISCO,MEXICO
Father's Name Nicolas Dias
Mother's Name Bernarda Maria Aleman
Citing this Record
"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J9PZ-S9Y : 12 December 2014), Bernarda Maria Aleman in entry for Maria Josepha Rafaela Dias Aleman, 16 Apr 1760; citing SAYULA,JALISCO,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 224,935.

Vernarda Aleman Gomes
Gender Female
Christening Date 25 Oct 1709
Christening Place SAYULA,JALISCO,MEXICO
Father's Name Nicolas Aleman
Mother's Name Anttonia Gomes
Citing this Record
"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NVM1-YG4 : 12 December 2014), Vernarda Aleman Gomes, 25 Oct 1709; citing SAYULA,JALISCO,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 224,932.

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Thank you! That really has helped me identify some words. The mother's name I was looking for was that of Juan's mother. I think the name you gave me was Ana's mother. It's right after the part on the 4th line that says Calletano Lopez defto y Ana ....... Does that say Rosalia?

Thank you for the additional information! I indeed will check it out!

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Babette,

it says Ana Rosalia.

Danny C. Alonso

On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 11:34 AM, wrote:

> Thank you! That really has helped me identify some words. The mother's
> name I
> was looking for was that of Juan's mother. I think the name you gave me was
> Ana's mother. It's right after the part on the 4th line that says Calletano
> Lopez defto y Ana ....... Does that say Rosalia? Thank you for the
> additional
> information! I indeed will check it out!
>
>

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I looked up a baptismal record to see what her name was there and it does say Ana Rosalia Lopez.

Jose Mathias Leandro Lopes Dias
Gender Male
Christening Date 27 Feb 1803
Christening Place SAYULA,JALISCO,MEXICO
Father's Name Juan Miguel Lopes
Mother's Name Maria Luisa Dias
Citing this Record
"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NGDY-KYB : 12 December 2014), Maria Luisa Dias in entry for Jose Mathias Leandro Lopes Dias, 27 Feb 1803; citing SAYULA,JALISCO,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 224,940. Image 140 out of 516

Rick A. Ricci

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Thank you for this new find (for me)! I must say I am so impressed by how quickly you, and others are able to find records! I want to do that too! Even now, when I put the names in familysearch.org, I was not able to come up with this record. Thanks to you supplying the film and image numbers I was able to find the image. Is there a secret to searching that I'm not aware of? Clearly I need to learn more about how to search! Thank you so much!

Rayna Babette Allen

petronila de moctezuma

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buenas tardes a todos nuestros amigos compañeros de este foro
de investigación genealógica
alguien a podido encontrar alguna pista sobre el linaje de

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Published by R.A.Ricci (not verified) – Sat, 2016-11-05 18:39 | Permalink

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Dear Gary,

If you want I will take a lie detector test as proof that I have seen the record.

Rick A. Ricci

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Encontré un indicio muy pequeño, pero de momento no puedo ir a ver los archivos de la ciudad de México, de una línea distinta la familia Sotelo.

De cualquier manera no puedo estar segura hasta ver el documento.

Saludos

Marcelina

Need help understanding a Civil Registration Record

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I'm having trouble understanding a Civil Registration of a birth. This record is from Guanajuato, Mexico.

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Published by R.A.Ricci (not verified) – Sat, 2016-11-05 13:30 | Permalink

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Dear Gloria,
"casado cannonicamente" Means that they were married according to the church. But it also says that they were not married civilly. The kids were legitimate in the eyes of the church. In Mexico you traditionally have two separate marriages, one by the church and the other civil.

Rick A. Ricci

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Hi Rick,

Yes, I understand that only a civil marriage is legal in Mexico but this record is from 1901 and I've never seen one like this before. But at long as we are both coming to the same conclusion...
Thank you, Gloria

A newcomer's question: Ownership of research and personal hostility.

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Hello all.
Firstly, I want to thank those that have helped, and are helping me trace my ancestry, and who have given me many tips.

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Published by Erik Andrés Re… – Fri, 2016-10-28 13:13 | Permalink

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I agree with Linda. Piero, you will find many people in here, some of us try to do our best guiding others and sharing what we can, others have different interests but to each their own. I think there is more of the generous type in here so I hope you find what you are looking for. When I started I had the good luck of having guides like Mariano González-Leal -whom I am close friends with since several years- and they are terribly open, kind and generous (Signs of kind and noble hearted people). Never asking something in return. Those are pleasant experiences.

Regarding no. 2 I suggest that when you find people like that, just ignore them. No one is safe from making mistakes and even those who criticize the hardest make big ones; in any case mistakes mean opportunities for learning and what we should do while investigating is not feel bad but learn and carry on with the new info gathered. Regarding plagiarism in these cases though it is a bad and common practice, for me it is not a big deal. For example, once I published an article about a certain nobility title in my family and about 2 years later I found in a newspaper a copy of mine with few changes here and there but I gave no importance, my purpose at the beginning was to make the info available and resurface the history of a title. If someone copied it...well, it worked! It meant that the history of my ancestors and their good example was no longer gathering dust, it was available once more and hopefully their names will remain....and that makes me glad!

All the best, Piero.

Published by R.A.Ricci (not verified) – Fri, 2016-10-28 08:09 | Permalink

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Plagiarism is a big problem. There are two parts to plagiarism. Plagiarism involves stealing the property of someone else, and then lying about it. This is fraud. A plagiarist shows a lack of respect for the work of another person while taking credit for the work.

Plagiarism is illegal. Plagiarism is stealing. I suggest you study the definition of plagiarism. I provided a definition from a dictionary in the following post:

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/23651

Your "social lay of the land" cannot infringe on the rights of an author.. The researcher/writer is the one protected by copyright law, not the thief.

It is very easy to avoid plagiarism. Identify the author and his/her book/article. Give respect to the researcher providing the information. Genealogy is a lot of work. The researchers/authors should be given credit for thier work.

Published by longsjourney – Fri, 2016-10-28 09:14 | Permalink

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everyone in this group does a lot of research and some people share their results but not where they found it so there is no way to make sure it's correct. The best of us do make mistakes.
I do share my research on Rootsweb.com and when I share a record I try to put the film number and page with the record so the reader can double check it.

I also know that there are professional researchers who have included some of my research in what they sell as a service, it's okay with me. Our goals are different. I want to help others to find and reclaim their history. For others it's a profession that is their income.

I try not to include records with no way to double check them UNLESS I have total confidence in the person sharing them with me or others.

I do have over 100,000 names in my files from 20 years of research in Zacatecas, Jalisco and Michoacan with a bit starting to spill over into Aguascalientes that I have not pursued yet.

Linda Castanon-Long

Published by BusquedaOrnelas – Wed, 2016-11-02 14:15 | Permalink

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I understand what Plagiarism is. I just had no Idea that people would post the research of others and not cite them, intentionally. What would they have to gain? I didn't understand, until I compared it with some of my own experiences in my business.

I have been in court successfully suing a few people who used my music in major television productions, and claiming authorship. So when I look at Genealogy research as being as valuable to the persons doing it, as the compositions of my music were to me, It makes total sense.

Thanks!. Still learning about stuff here. I just felt like I had wandered into a mine field, and got caught in the crossfire of some really hard feelings. Since I haven't claimed credit for anything, nor will I, (I barely know how to research this material, and if it was not for George Fulton I'd be absolutely nowhere in this entire thing) I am glad I asked!

Is it also a matter of accuracy? like knowing the work of one researcher from another?

Thanks. I understand why the heated exchanges exist now.

P.S.

It dawned on me that a "to-do", and "not to do list" for newcomers might help. There is probably one already. Like "always cite sources and footnotes" and maybe suggesting the best formats for family trees and lists (PDF Vs MS Word, Vs Wordperfect,etc) and also a list of pertinent web links, (Wikitree, Familyfinder, LDS etc), and basic breakdowns of Gedmatch Vs Gedcom and other genealogy tools and terminologies.

If there is not one already available, perhaps I can compile one asking more experienced members here to guide me in the process, so that newcomers like me, are not confused, or surprised, by the conventions and etiquettes of this kind of research. Would that be helpful? I want to contribute in some way, and obviously, I am not schooled enough yet to contribute research.

Thanks again.
Piero.

SpecialThanks to:
George Fulton
R.A. Ricci
Armando Antunano

Maria Juana Lopez Cuebas

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One of the biggest questions that my family has always had about our family that came from Mexico is possibly a question that will never be answered.

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Yes I do. Her parents were Jose Maria Lopez and Antonia Cuevas Velasco. I apologize for not including that. Also, she was baptized June 24, 1827 in Sayula. Maria Juana and Manuel married June 20, 1842, also in Sayula. Thank you.

Rayna Babette Allen

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My name is Cathy Tagliabue. I am from the Houston, Texas area. I am researching my Mother's biological father Pablo Montano from Juanacatlin, Jalisco, Mexico.

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Published by RJQ – Thu, 2015-04-02 10:48 | Permalink

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Cathy, my first suggestion is to use FamilySearch (if you haven't), and from there see how many Pablo Montano (Mantana, Montaño/a, Montañez, etc.) may fit with the time frame of your Grandpa, independently of the town of Juanacatlán, this is because the name is abundant and this specific town, like Ricci mentioned, doesn't has records of its own beyond the 1900's, plus there are quite a few towns cities where he could have been baptized. Even if he live there, there is no assurance that he and his family are in fact from that town.

I would also recommend to try to locate your Grandparents marriage record, (I am thinking they married in the USA, right?) and if you know Pablo's wife name would be of much help, I would think that the marriage record may have his parents names, finding his mother's would definitely provide better chances to ever find out about his origins.

Third, finding about his brother Hilarion, (could also be Hilario at some records) like marriage, kids, burial, records may provide the facts that are missing on your Grandpa. Also finding records of both brothers that match their parents names is going to be more plausible than a record that mention both at the same time, although the last is not impossible either.

There is a record of Hilarion Montano crossing the border in October 1928, is this the one you have? because the index in FamilySearch mention Chapala to be his hometown, which is close to Juanacatlán. If you think that is in fact your Granduncle, then you can try to research Chapala, newer records (from the last 140-100 years) often have no index on FamilySearch, thus browsing the actual record is necessary.

I know very little about DNA, but most people from Mexico in the 1900's has (more or less) some Indigenous blood, I but I don't think there is much more to find out about it, like specific tribes.

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RJQ,

You are correct. There isn't much else that can be determined about the 11% Native American as far as which tribe or a small group of people from a specific region of Jalisco.

Here is what can be determined. If both of her mother's parents were Mexican/Hispanic/Latin American then their total combined Native American would have been about 44% and her mother about 22% and her 11%. If only her maternal grandfather was Mexican/Hispanic/Latin American then he was about 44% Native American. Ancestry does a much better job than FamilyTreeDNA myOrigins at identifying the Native American so in that respect it's a good thing she got an autosomal DNA test at Ancestry.

FamilyTreeDNA does have mtDNA tests though so if her direct maternal line is from Mexico she can get a test there and see which haplogroup it is and see if she has matches but it is extremely hard or close to impossible to find the common ancestor especially when the the mtDNA is Native American (A2,B2,C1,D1,X) or the matches don't have trees which they don't most of the time.

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Hello y Hola
I currently live in Lathrop, CA. (south of Stockton, CA) but was raised in Sunnyvale, Ca. My father came from Nayarit ( I know its not our target area, just hold on), he was brought to the USA by his uncle that had been a brazero. My father has always been very proud of being from Nayarit and did not like to admit that he had been born in Jalisco, where his family was originally from. He has now become a victim of dementia. Over the years my father explained that his family had been run out of Jalisco after the Cristada (true or not.. that’s what I need to find out) His father, Margarito Guzman and his many brothers had been agitators and caused a lot of trouble to the government and land owners, according to my father. My grandfather was from a ranch called “el Cuyul” near Talpa. His father was Ignacio Guzman and his mother was Maria Velasco. Maria Velasco was from the Talpa area and according to records I have found on familysearch.com and ancestry.com her family had been in the area for several generations. Ignacio was from the Ayutla area and according to my Uncle he was kicked out of the family hacienda (Hacienda Trinidad) because he was a problem child. His family has also been in the Ayutla area for hundreds of years.
My father’s mother is from Ayutla and I have been told that she was related somehow to Margarito. I m trying to find how it was that she was related to her husband. Her name was Maria de Jesus Gutierrez Guzman, her parents were Aurelio (Aureliano?) Gutierrez and Maria Guzman. My father said that they were from the Villa de Purificacion area.

When my grandparents were first married they lived in a ranch called “el bosque”. It appears that the rancho is nonexistent today.

I have a family tree that goes back 2 hundred years.

My mother was from Nuevo Leon, so I will not be working on her family on this website.

My husband is also from Tamazula. His surnames are Silva and Esqueda. He is related to the Villalvaso family on his father’s side. They were from El Portozuelo, San Francisco, Tamazula, Jal.

I look forward to working and collaborating with all of the Nuestroranchos Family,
Love,
Maria Guzman-Silva

Published by coronaarechiga – Mon, 2016-10-24 21:47 | Permalink

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Hello Maria, I came across your message and the fact that you have family from Ayutla caught my eye. I do have an Ignacio Gusman in my tree, not direct relative. I doubt he is your great grandfather, but sometimes common names are used for children and grandchildren and he was from Santa Rosalia. Here is a dispensa I found, it might be helpful: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-39227-1066-61?cc=1937239&… Deedra Corona

Published by R.A.Ricci (not verified) – Thu, 2015-04-02 07:00 | Permalink

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Hello Cathy

I can try to help you but I need a little more information to begin the search. I need more info on Juanacatlin, Jalisco, Mexico. How big is this town or. It's. What are the nearest bigger towns or cities. Do the cities zapotlanejo, ,atotonilco or arandas sound familiar? Is there any information that you can add to help identify them or the area they came from?

R A Ricci

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Thanks Armando

Do you know if the records from Juanacatlin, Jalisco, Mexico in the 1800s are found in Zapotlanejo? I did find something there and that is why I included it in the group of cities that I asked about?

Rick A Ricci

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Greetings Fellow Genealogists -

My name is Daniel Meckley and I have recently joined the Nuestros Ranchos
group. For the past several years, I have been researching the ancestry of
my husband, Luis Alberto Suárez Paillas. Both families are from Jesús
Maria, Aguascalientes. I had been able to find a lot of information using
FamilySearch, but I had a lot of holes and was missing one entire branch
from the Pasillas side of the family. Last week I stumbled upon the
Nuestros Ranchos web site and a different link to FamilySearch that lets me
actually view birth certificates! This has made all the difference! I was
able to find a birth certificate that gave me the information I needed to
go backwards in the missing branch.

I have about 950 names in the Suárez Pasillas tree – all from Jesús Maria
(or Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes if they lived before Jesús Maria
existed.) I would love to share the information I have found with anyone
who is researching in the same area. I am really excited to be part of the
Nuestros Ranchos group.

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What's the link for the Birth Certificates?

Paul J Gomez
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> On Apr 19, 2015, at 9:23 AM, Daniel Meckley <0dgmiv@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Greetings Fellow Genealogists -
>
>
>
> My name is Daniel Meckley and I have recently joined the Nuestros Ranchos
> group. For the past several years, I have been researching the ancestry of
> my husband, Luis Alberto Suárez Paillas. Both families are from Jesús
> Maria, Aguascalientes. I had been able to find a lot of information using
> FamilySearch, but I had a lot of holes and was missing one entire branch
> from the Pasillas side of the family. Last week I stumbled upon the
> Nuestros Ranchos web site and a different link to FamilySearch that lets me
> actually view birth certificates! This has made all the difference! I was
> able to find a birth certificate that gave me the information I needed to
> go backwards in the missing branch.
>
>
> I have about 950 names in the Suárez Pasillas tree – all from Jesús Maria
> (or Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes if they lived before Jesús Maria
> existed.) I would love to share the information I have found with anyone
> who is researching in the same area. I am really excited to be part of the
> Nuestros Ranchos group.

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Here is a link to the Civil Records for Jesus Maria, Aguascalientes that has birth certificates along with other civil records:

https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysea…

(note this is a long link so if it wraps to the next line you might have to rebuild it in your web browser)

joseph

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> What's the link for the Birth Certificates?
>
> Paul J Gomez
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> > On Apr 19, 2015, at 9:23 AM, Daniel Meckley <0dgmiv@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Greetings Fellow Genealogists -
> >
> >
> >
> > My name is Daniel Meckley and I have recently joined the Nuestros
> > Ranchos group. For the past several years, I have been researching
> the
> > ancestry of my husband, Luis Alberto Suárez Paillas. Both families
> are
> > from Jesús Maria, Aguascalientes. I had been able to find a lot of
> > information using FamilySearch, but I had a lot of holes and was
> > missing one entire branch from the Pasillas side of the family. Last
> > week I stumbled upon the Nuestros Ranchos web site and a different
> > link to FamilySearch that lets me actually view birth certificates!
> > This has made all the difference! I was able to find a birth
> > certificate that gave me the information I needed to go backwards in
> the missing branch.
> >
> >
> > I have about 950 names in the Suárez Pasillas tree – all from Jesús
> > Maria (or Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes if they lived before Jesús
> > Maria
> > existed.) I would love to share the information I have found with
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Looking for information on surname ORNELAS

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Hello everyone.

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this is exciting for me, a newbie to actually find people who talk about this stuff.

yes, I had heard that It was was a place near Lugo, Santa Comba de Fornelas is a parish and village in the municipality of Puebla del Brollon (A Pobra do Brollon), in the province of Lugo, Spain. (From wikipedia)
https://www.google.com/maps/place/27334+Fornelas,+Lugo,+Spain/@42.56501…

I researched as much as I could, including cold calling and having others call the auto body shop there, to find out more about the exact location (mechanics always seem to know something. At least in the detective movies they are good for info)

Over the years I have heard all the following meanings as well.
(Some of these come from the dreaded "Heraldly and coat of arms" sites that make up stuff all the time)

- From the ancient Roman (Latin) 'orne' meaning eagle
- From the Spanish word "Horno" indicating it has something to do with baking or blacksmithing
- From the Italian "ORNELLA" (A flowering ash tree)
However jlblonde 's entry from Gutierre Tibon's book "Diccionario Etimologico Comparado de los Apellidos Espanoles, Hispanoamericanos y Filipinos" seems to most legitimate I have ever heard.

Horn! My family's names means "horn"? I wonder what significance it has? Like why did was that name used there?

gpf13 : Thank you so much for the correction. I just started using Ancestry.com last week, and their features including ""ancestry hints" "review" and then "add to family profile" was something that confused me a little, and I probably made a lot of mistakes. doesn't hep that I am a little dyslexic, and bad with numbers. with so many different spellings, all I had to go on what clues like the names of spouses and children do distinguish between the different Ornelas'

Maybe I should just wipe my whole tree clean before my great grandfather, and start over.
I am just not sure how connect the ancestors that came before my great grandfather.

Words cannot express the gratitude I have for all of you, and the help you have provided me here.

Thanks!
Piero Andres Patrice Ornelas,
Oakland, Ca.
2016

Published by jlblonde – Sat, 2016-10-08 23:33 | Permalink

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Hi,
According to Gutierre Tibon's book "Diccionario Etimologico Comparado de los Apellidos Espanoles, Hispanoamericanos y Filipinos", which I have in my modest library, he states that:

Ornelas: Fornelas, from the province of Lugo, latin fornus, "Horn".

Variations: Ornellas, Dornellas, D'Ornellas, Fornell, Fornellas, Fornells, Fornieles.

My 2 cents:
The Province of Lugo in North Western Spain (autonomous region of Galicia)is above Portugal buffered by the province of Orense, which borders Portugal.
The native language is Galician, a distant relative of Portuguese.
Being so close, people with this last name probably traveled back and forth from Lugo to Portugal.

Published by R.A.Ricci (not verified) – Sat, 2016-10-08 13:59 | Permalink

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I too descend from your great-great-great-great-great-great grandfather, Alvaro VI Albares de Ornellas y Hurtado de Mendosa
b. 1598 in Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico. Can you provide sources as to his father and grandfather. I haven't studied this family in a long time and don't have my notes on this family in I front of me but would like to see source to Joao de Ornelas. B.1530.

Thanks,

R.A.Ricci

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I may have to revise all that, having gotten better information from George Fulton.
I'll keep you posted!
thanks.
P

Published by gpf13 – Sat, 2016-10-08 13:56 | Permalink

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Piero

Apolinar's birthdate "around 1880" is inconsistent the stated baptism date. The baptismal date is typically a few days after the birth, sometimes the same day.

If the birthdate for Florencio is correct, he cannot be Apolinar's father. The baptismal record for Apolinar has been extracted at Family Search (there is a link to the image), however it gives the father as Ricardo Ornelas and grandfather as Eulogio Ornelas.

I checked the Family Search catalog for San Juan de los Lagos, and the baptisms up to the late 1880s have been extracted. Marriages, except for the first two films (up to 1795) , have also been extracted. In some cases the images are linked to the index.

The civil records for Mexico (after 1857) have generally been indexed (with linked images) at ancestry.com. You can use this at many public libraries, or at any Family History center.

George Fulton

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OK. I did it an got Ancestry's "premium" global search service, and am looking above the family tree at the point where the time lines didn't match up as George Fulton pointed out.
Now I am at Eulogio Ornelas, and looking for his father and grandfather as well. I saw some hints that the surname was actually carried and passed down by one of my great grandmothers, as well.

I also considered that there might already be an existing family tree, that my line connects to at some point?
All hints and help appreciated.

Piero Ornelas.

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Piero

The civil records, in principle, start in 1857; however, for many towns the first records start a little later. For the small towns, the starting dates are often later. Initially not all births, marriages, and deaths were recorded, so there will be gaps. You will have some people for which all the church records exist, and some not. Same with the civil records.

For example, your ancestor Ricardo Ornelas has a baptismal record, but he was born too soon for a civil birth record. He may have siblings in the civil birth records. You can search for them by searching with just the parents names. The baptismal record names parents, of course, and both the paternal and maternal grandparents.

The baptismal record will sometimes give the parents ages. Ages aren't always correct, but you can still estimate their year of birth.

I estimate Ricardo's father, Eulogio, was born about 1830, plus or minus a couple of years. From this estimate you can get an estimate for the marriage of Eulogio's parents, Cipriano Ornelas and Petra Macias, which may have been in the 1820s or before.

Family Search lists a number of baptisms for children of Eulogio and Cresencia. There is value in looking at all of the records, not just the indexes. This will tell you the community (rancho or hacienda) where the were born.

I did not see a marriage record for Eulogio and Cresencia. That doesn't mean there isn't one. It may be worthwhile looking at the matrimonial investigations. Sometimes there will be a matrimonial investigate and no marriage. At what date do you start looking. You might think 9 months before the first child, but couples sometimes had children "soon" after marriage, some were married after the first or second child was born. The baptismal records can give a clue. "Hijo legitimate" implies they were married first. The matrimonial investigation was usually done a few weeks prior to the wedding. In the absence of a marriage date I would look a couple of years prior to the first known child.

I did not see baptismal records for children of Cipriano and Petra. Perhaps they were not from San Juan de los Lagos. If an 1830 birthdate for Eulogio is a good estimate, then his parents should have been married after abt 1800. If this is a poor estimate, and he was born earlier, his parents could have been married in the 1790s, and these records have not been indexed, which means looking through the film page by page. I would start with the end of the last unindexed and work toward the beginning.

In an earlier post you have Florencio Ornelas from Chihuahua. I could not place him anywhere. Do you have evidence thT places him in the family?

Ancestry has an option to search family trees. You get to this from the first search screen, and there are some check boxes for the type of records to search. Uncheck all except family trees. Unfortunately posted family trees are notorious for not providing sources, or giving sources that cannot be verified. Use these with care.

Good luck,

George Fulton

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Hi George.
No, as per your information I removed Florencio, and all of his suspected relatives, after getting your new information, and am researching the names Petra Macias, and Cipriano Ornelas. IN several of these records it states that the names are actually Cipriano Macias, and Petra Ornelas, with some having the last name for both of them, as Alviso.

Then to make things even more interesting, Eulogio's son's wife, has four separater spellings for her name. (Phew!) Ladislada Garcia, María Ladislar, and MA.Ladislao Garcia.
Still on the case.

do you do this professionally? I was considering getting someone more adept that this than I.

Thanks again.
Piero

Published by gpf13 – Wed, 2016-10-12 09:38 | Permalink

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Piero

I, like the majority of Nuestros Ranchos members, am not a professional genealogist, although I have been doing this for quite a number of years.

I am glad to provide whatever help I can through the website.

What you are seeing for your ancestor Maria Ladislada Garcia is not uncommon.

As you spend more time, and get more experience, the process will get easier. In my opinion, the results are more satisfying if you find your ancestors your self. Of course, if you life is very busy with work, or school, and family - the kids take a lot of time - it can be hard to devote the time you would like. While I have never hired a professional, I think it can be expensive. Perhaps someone in the forum has some experience in this regard.

Please feel free to pose any questions here, and we can try to help.

George Fulton

Published by BusquedaOrnelas – Thu, 2016-10-13 02:44 | Permalink

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It's a little daunting for me, a bona fide dyslexic ADHD, who was dropped on his head as a baby. (lol)

I guess I am a little intimidated by the guesswork, as in this example:
http://person.ancestry.com/tree/104080020/person/120038945479/facts
There are two separate dates with a 9-year gap, which are both not as the baptism date for Eulogio Ornelas. which one do I pick?

I understand the satisfaction thing, but it could be a year before I really get this methodology, and I'd really just like to know who all my ancestors are, without getting migraines looking at this screen.

I am truly grateful for your help, and if you, or anyone, could easily or without any inconvenience to, figure out how far back my ancestors go and help me make sure my tree is accurate, I'd be eternally grateful, and send you a $100 yogurt rewards card. (Just kidding, but I'd definitely pay if it was needed)

Thanks again.
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Published by BusquedaOrnelas – Sun, 2016-10-23 13:46 | Permalink

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Hi. Been doing some sleuthing, and I got to cipraino ornelas, but establishing who he is and when he was born, is still a little tricky. Since His son, Eulogio was born in 1833, I postulated that his father would be in between 30 and 50, and so I looked for Cpiriano Ornelas" in the late 1700's. As is often the case whole looking through these records, I found two that were in many ways remarkably similar.
Jose Cipriano Ornelas #1 goo.gl/MuQOz3

b.4 jul. 1798. Baptism Place: Zapotlan El Grande,Ciudad Guzman,Jalisco,Mexico

Jose Cipriano Ornelas #2 goo.gl/d5V9SW

b. 26 sep. 1793. Baptism Place: Nochistlan,Zacatecas, Mexico
If you will please check the links, (they go to ancestry.com pages, but the original links were way too long) here is a classic example. Two separate "Ciprianos" born within ten years of one another both of whom had Fathers named Jose, and Mothers Named maria.

As a tip, when confronted with this kind of parallel, which one do you go with? I don't wnt to do what I originally did and just "add" people to my family tree, because you can see where that got me. Lol.

thanks again for your help.
Piero

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Piero

I sent you an email privately, but just in case you did not receive it, I am planning on going to the library this week and will check these two out.

In a case like this, we need something to tie the "right" Ciprinano to your line. People certainly did move around in this time period, but there are also families that stayed in the same place for generations. Similarity of names is actually a rather weak link.

George

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Piero

While looking up Cipriano Ornelas, I found another person with this name: Jose Cipriano de la Trinidad Ornelas baptized 23 Sep 1799, in San Juan de los Lagos. What intrigued me about this record is that he was born in Paso Hondo, the town/rancho/hacienda that your Ornelas family is from. In addition to the parents, the record also named the grandparents, which typically did not start until a little later. His parents are Jose Regino Ornelas and Rosa Munoz. The grandparents are George de Ornelas and Manuela Olivares, and Ygnacio Munoz and Maria de la Sencion Marquez. FHL film 220649, image 427

I then found a marriage record for Cipriano Hornelas and Petra Macias 9 Feb 1831, San Juan de los Lagos. He was from
Paso Hondo. Parents are Regino Hornelas / Rosa Macias and Miguel Macias / Juana Maria Ramirez. FHL film 220710, image 196

Hornelas and Ornelas are the same name. Adding an H to words that are not spelled that way was not uncommon.

The marriage record and the baptismal record are consistent, thus we have identified the right Ciprinao, and pushed your Ornelas ancestry back two more generations.

What is important is to work from what we know, going back in time. The other Cipriano Ornelas's you found were interesting, but the info we had did not lead to the towns for those records, which made them unlikely (but still worth keeping note of). The key today was Cipriano's marriage record.

I would estimate that Jose Regino was born in the mid-1770s, and his father George was, perhaps, born in the 1740s or 1750s.

I'll continue to look at your family and keep you posted!

George Fulton

Published by BusquedaOrnelas – Sat, 2016-10-08 12:04 | Permalink

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Also, I am looking for a man named Steven Francisco Hernàndez-Lòpez, wjho is also a part of the Nueva Galicia society, and somosprimos.com and who is an expert in the ORNELAS SURNAME.
Thanks!

El Tule Aguascalientes

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Could someone tell me what city or town I will find Christening records for people born in El Tule, Aguascalientes in 1892-1900?

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Published by gpf13 – Sat, 2015-09-26 08:41 | Permalink

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According to Pueblos America, this is a small community in the municipio of Asientos, so that is most likely where the records should be. Records could be out of order - since this is a separate town, the records could be separate from the other Asientos records. For this time period looking in the civil records should also be done.

Just in case the date you have is not correct, search a couple of years before and after your date.

If you do not find what you are looking for after a thorough search this may mean that the records were not microfilmed, or unfortunately were lost.

George Fulton

Published by jimenec80 – Sat, 2016-10-01 17:46 | Permalink

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I found my grandfather. His name was Daniel Miguel Silva Reyes born in 1892 in El Tule, Asientos Aguascalientes. His father was Margarito Monreal Reyes - son of Cesario Reyes and Luz Monreal. His mother was Narcisa Silva - daughter of Benito Silva and Francisca Rodriguez. My great great grandfather is Guadalupe Reyes and my great great grandmother was Bictoriana Rosales. Also, Francisco Silva and Ysidra Sabala. My grandfather Miguel died in San Antonio, Texas in 1957. He had remarried Julia Ramos in the early twenties in Texas. My grandmother went on to marry Aniceto Villareal and settled in Dallas.

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As you have probably discovered by now, the extracted baptismal records typically stop in the early 1880s, although microfilms will sometimes be available until the 1960s at Family Search.

Ancestry.com has indexed civil records. Births often go into the 1940s, with marriages and deaths often going later. Images are linked to the indexes. Coverage varies by state in Mexico, with Aguascalientes typically being quite good. You can frequently the access Ancestry through your local public library, or can can access it at any Family History Center.

George Fulton

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Now that I have found Daniel Miguel Silva Reyes I have a new puzzle to solve. His grand father was "Sesario Rosales Rosales" born in 1832 in El Sagrario, Aguascalientes. Both sets of Sesario's parents were "Rosales Vasquez". Sesario was born Rosales Rosales - his father was Raphael Rosales and Sesario was married as Rosales, BUT on all his children's birth records I found, he is Sesario "Reyes", listing his father as "Guadalupe Reyes" and his children therefore were Reyes including my father. I can't tell yet where Reyes came from. I know I have the correct Sesario on his marriage record and his children's birth records because his wife's name; Luz Monreal and her parents are exact and consistent. I don't know at this time where Reyes came from. It just begins to appear on the children's birth documents. On his wife's death record he uses Rosales, but on his own death record in Nava, he is listed as Reyes. I cannot find any records showing both names in union, only one or the other. His line goes back to Geronimo Rosales in the 1600's and Reyes has so far not appeared going back. Does anyone have any information on the Rosales/Vasquez line in Asientos" I apologize for this being so confusing.

Cynthia

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Hello, could someone help me read this civil birth record from Nava? I believe it to be my father's but.....I don't read Spanish very well. Is my grandmother Reynalda Rangel's name not listed or acknowledged on this document, or am I just missing it? We always believed my father's birthday to be Jan 7, 1918, but there was never clarity if he was born in Texas or Mexico. His father's name is correct, and his father's age is exact, but I have not seen a record listing only the father before. My father Benny had an older brother Jesus Reyes, and an older sister named Juana Reyes born in Matamoros. His 1919 crossover papers at age one says he was born in Nava in 1918, but other later records list his birth place as Taylor, Texas. His father is from Aguascalientes and his mother from Matamoros.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-22267-9932-76?cc=1916233&…

Thank you.

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What I could read it states: It states in the Villa de Nava, in the state of Coahila 17 Jan 1918 at 9:00 a.m. Civil registration Miguel Reyes, single and 26 years old, a laborer, conforms to articule 75 of the civil registration a live child, natural, born on the 9 Jan at 12 a.m. and gave his name as Benito Reyes.
Witness by Jose Rangel and Augustin Nieto both senior in age.

López de Peralta: Atn Guillermo Tovar de Teresa

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Estimado Guillermo:

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Published by R.A.Ricci (not verified) – Mon, 2016-10-24 14:33 | Permalink

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Miguel Ramon Solis, author of "Andarliegos y Pobladores Nueva España and Nueva Galicia siglo XVI" is one of the genealogists adding to the confusion by making the mistake that the conquistador is the Jeronimo Lopez that married into the Peralta family. It is this confusion that has been the block wall stopping people from figuring out the correct family tree for Manuel Coría de Peralta. Once people realize that it is the son Jeronimo Lopez el mozo that is the one that is married to Ana Carillo de Peralta, then they will realize that the dates that people give for the age of Jeronimo's daughter married to Diego Coría cannot be right. Just because Diego becomes a widower in 1550 does not mean that he marries his next wife in 1551 as people mistakenly write. The bigger question mark is which Diego Coría is the one married to Maria Mendoza daughter of Jeronimo Lopez and Ana Carillo de Peralta. It does seem likely that it is correct that the Diego Coría identified as her husband is an old man when she marries him as she becomes a widow and enters the convent before her father passes away.

Geronimo Lopez el mozo and Ana Carillo de Peralta are the parents of Juliana Angela de Velasco y Peralta who married Juan de Cervantes y Casaus. They have at least two sons Gonzalo Gomez de Cervantes and Geronimo Gomez de Cervantes (priest). Gonzalo Gomez de Cervantes is a clear candidate as an ancestor for some of the Cervantes found in los altos de Jalisco.

Source mygenes2000 by Rick A. Ricci
Mygenes2000 is copyrighted.
Fight plagiarism

P.S.
Thanks again Manny for providing a very important piece to the puzzle of my descent from this family.

Published by R.A.Ricci (not verified) – Mon, 2016-10-24 10:30 | Permalink

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Dear Daniel,

I too descend from "el Amo" Aceves. This should make us between fourth and sixth cousins depending on which line you descend from.

The Cervantes line that you mentioned most likely is the same Cervantes line that descends from Jeronimo Lopez el mozo. One of his daughters married into the Cervantes family.

Another of his daughters did marry Diego Coría, became widowed as she married an OLD man, and then joined a few of her sisters in the convent. Since the women change their names when entering the convent, it would be hard to figure out which one was originally named Maria Mendoza. The Mendoza comes from a greatgrandparent from the Peralta line.

Rick A. Ricci

Published by gmotovar@prodi… – Tue, 2011-03-08 17:30 | Permalink

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Estimado Daniel:

Mis parentescos con los López de Peralta y los Carrillo de Peralta los puse en un libro que publiqué en Sevilla hace dos años: Crónica de una familia entre dos mundos: Los Ribadeneira en España y Nueva España, Sevilla, Editorial Renacimiento, 2009. Lo puedes encontrar en abebooks.com o en iberlibro.com

En este libro figura una parte muy considerable de mi genealogía materna, por lo Ribadeneira, Sagade Bugueiro, Altamirano Velasco y Castilla, Oñate, Ordaz, López de Peralta, Gómez de Cervantes, Gutiérrez de Altamirano, Mérida y Molina, Sandoval y Guzmán, Fernández de Córdoba, Niño de Castro, Guardiola y otras decenas de líneas que tengo probadas y me corresponden. Por eso puedo publicarlas en España y pueden ser estudiadas en México.

Saludos

Guillermo

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De: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org [mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de mendezdelcamino@live.com
Enviado el: Martes, 08 de Marzo de 2011 02:01 p.m.
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Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] López de Peralta: Atn Guillermo Tovar de Teresa

Estimado Guillermo:

Soy pariente de los López de Peralta por varias líneas, pero no descendiente que yo sepa todavia pero la posibilidad existe. Los enlaces que las familias formaron en la ciudad de México formaron una red muy distinto a cuanto la sociedad novohispano. Es muy posible que si puedo conectar ellos pero necesiataría seguir comprobado mi línea Leonel de Cervantes, donde seguramente vendrá sorpresas.

Como mencioné anteriormente la tatarabuela de mi abuelo Martín Méndez de Torres era María de Jesús Leonel de Cervantes o Gómez de Cervantes. Este apellido realmente me causa gran estrés porque eran simulateanous Cervantes o cualquier variación. Esta fue bautizada el 13 de septiembre de 1807 en San Francisco de Tepatitlán. Hija de Rosalino Leonel de Cervantes o Gómez de Cervantes bautizado 14 de septiembre de 1784 en San Miguel el Alto casó el 23 de mayo de 1808 en San Francisco de Tepatitlán a María Josefa Gómez Hurtado de Mendoza, de aqui desciendo del reconocido “El Amo” Aceves.

Gracias a varios dispensas que encontré y varios que proporcionaron miembros del foro, especficamente Jorge Ramirez Gomez y Martha Flores, podía extender la línea donde termina Joseph Leonel de Cervantes o Cervantes quien casó a Isabel Sánchez Carranza hacia 1675, estos radicaron a Guadadalajara. Sospecho que este era de la ciudad de México ya que debería nacer a los mediados del siglo XVII casi los “principios” del floricimiento de esta familia en el DF.

Tuvieron otro Joseph Leonel de Cervantes quien radicó a San Juan de los Lagos y a Cristóbal Gómez de Cervantes quien radicó a Tepatitlán. Seguramente se puede encontrar descendencia ahí hoy en día.

Casi abondoné esta línea para ahora, estoy muy ocupado con mi línea agnaticia los Méndez de Torres ya tengo la documentación irrefutable. Pero seria una linea importantisma para mi familia a cuanto probarla. Mandé pedir desde España en PARES el testamento de mi antepasado por tes líneas diferentes, Diego Méndez de Torres, Alcalde Ordinario y Regidor de Zamora, Michoacán. Conti Rubini y yo tenemos nuestros sospechos diferentes sobre los Mendez de Torres, una cosa es seguro que si son portugeses, ojalá el testamento menciona sus padres. Quisiera saber si era del DF or Portugal. La cuestion es encontrar como es de Portugal, si Diego era del DF y su padre de Portugal? No se.

Si gustas podíamos analizar e intercambiar nuestras notas y archivos a cuanto los López de Peralta. Tuvieron su escudo de armas

Como seguramente lo tienes, empezó Jerónimo López Cabrera bautizado en el Sagrario de Asunción el 21 de abril de 1537 casó hacia 1567 a Ana Carrillo de Peralta, nieta del II marqués de Falces y IX conde de Santiestabn de Lerín. Aquí procede los López de Peralta. Jerónimo López Cabrera y Ana Carrillo de Peralta fundaron un mayorazgo, tengo nota que era Tesorero Real y Regidor donde en 1605 renuncia el oficio en nombre de su hijo Jerónimo López de Peralta, quien sería el II Mayorazgo me pongo poco confuso aquí pero ya para 1619 el mayorazgo está en nombre en su hermano Francisco López de Peralta en 1619 donde levanta información y pide a las cortes en Madrid para dejarle vender “algunos de sus bienes de su mayorazgo.”

La sucesion del mayorazgo de Lopez de Peralta es muy interesante ya que entra en varias redes familiares de la sociedad, muy chistozo, hasta que entre a la Casa de Santiago de Calimaya. La genealogia a la vista del X conde de Santiago ni tiene nada que ver con los Lopez de Peralta, pero no me recuerdo pero pienso que el mayorazgo entro por medio de los Urrutia de Vergara, necesito revisar de nuevo mi base de datos.

Como siempre mis saludos,

Daniel Méndez Camino

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Jose Ignacio Anaya Gomez la pregunta dirigida a todos , encontre en un documento . La Casa de Diego de Coria que dice, Diego de Coria Cedula de su Majestad de recomendacion para el y sus hijos que son,y los demas decendientes Alonso de Coria..........Hijo Manuel de Coria..........Hijo Diego de Coria..........Hijo,y nieto de otro Conquistador Geronimo Lopez Diego de Coria ..........Nieto Hernado de Coria.........Nieto Juan Alonso Peralta.......Nieto ..... sera ? este Conquistador Diego de Coria , Padre de Manuel de Coria Peralta esposo de Catalina Lomelin. PAdres de Catalina de Coria Lomelin y Peralta.

Contreras Rodriguez

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Does anyone know where Mesquite de Charco is located?

I have been looking for this family for a long time and recently found their marriage record 6 March 1803. The following is their IM

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Published by ricardo.infante – Sat, 2016-10-22 15:27 | Permalink

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To my knowledge, Los Contreras was a ranch that is now in the town of Tlaltenango de Sánchez Román, Zacatecas. At that time, it would have been part of Nueva Galicia which put it under the jurisdiction of Guadalajara. I saw "Los Contreras" a lot on the Tumblr Dispensas.
http://guadalajaradispensas.tumblr.com/

Hey we could have a common ancestor lol

Published by maven200 – Sat, 2016-10-22 21:37 | Permalink

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Hello,
I have a few relatives born in Rancho Contreras as recent as 1880. My farthest Contreras is
Maria Gertrudes Ramona Cardenas ( born circa 1798 Momax, Zac)
Married Juan Jose Ribera in 1814 Momax.
Her parents are Augustin Cardenas and Maria Tejada.

It's a line I have yet to research. My notes say that the Contreras of Momax and Tlaltenango intermarried often with Briceno and Orozco.

Anything ring a bell? I will focus on both Ribera and Contreras soon. Good luck.
maven

Published by maven200 – Sat, 2016-10-22 21:37 | Permalink

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Hello,
I have a few relatives born in Rancho Contreras as recent as 1880. My farthest Contreras is
Maria Gertrudes Ramona Cardenas ( born circa 1798 Momax, Zac)
Married Juan Jose Ribera in 1814 Momax.
Her parents are Augustin Cardenas and Maria Tejada.

It's a line I have yet to research. My notes say that the Contreras of Momax and Tlaltenango intermarried often with Briceno and Orozco.

Anything ring a bell? I will focus on both Ribera and Contreras soon. Good luck.
maven

Published by ricardo.infante – Sun, 2016-10-23 10:27 | Permalink

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Hey man check the Tumblr Index I linked on my first reply. Besides Los Contreras, I think I saw Tlaltenango mentioned.

Genealogy Assistance in Guadalajara /Ayuda con la biblioteca "Juan José Arreola" de la UdeG

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Has anyone used a local genealogist to obtain records at the government
archives in Guadalajara?

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115 Years Old

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Hi I thought I'd share this with you guys. A while back, I found the death certificate of my Great Great Great Great grandmother, Guadalupe Camacho.

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Published by nesska – Fri, 2016-10-21 14:40 | Permalink

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That is so cool. Thank you for sharing such and interesting story. Can I ask her parents names / who her husband was?

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Her Husband is Santiago Contreras Rodriguez. They lived in Santiago De Pinos, Jalisco.

Her parents's names are Cristanto Camacho and Trinidad Pena.

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